I know which one is better, do you?:cool:

Better... They're completely different styles of racing. That's like comparing apples to corned beef!! lol

I know which one is better, do you?:cool:

thats all a matter of opinion.......... I like F1 10000000000x more than any NASCAR race.

I swear this has been done a million times.

i think this is a first.. but still way too different for comparisons.

F1- circuit, open wheels, $1,000,000+ build cost of each car, 200+ on most if not all tracks, carbon fiber, mid-engine, mid driver, and most of all contact = lights out

Nascar- oval/very few circuit, tube frames, based on either ford dodge or chevrolet family sedans for body, ~$600,000 build cost, closed wheeled, lucky if hit 200, and contact lots of contact.

cant even be compared i mean they have v8s in common i think and a few sponsors in common but thats about it

Edit- i like both equally F1 b/c its fast and really technical and nascar b/c im 1/3 redneck

I hate Nascar!

but do you like F1?

I like F1 better than Nascar!

I don't like either one, they're boring. But I like and respect the cars for what they are

At lest NASCAR races cars, in F1 they just race computer chips.

I never really got into the racing craze but the fact that Toyota might put a Nascar Camry in sometime totally ruins the American race

I'm a strict F1 fan. No other races for me (although I would probably watch rally if it was showed here)

Nascar is worthless. I don't get the big deal about it.

EDIT: I also watch moto gp but its not cars so none of you would really care unless ure like mopar or something..

this..is the lamest thing ever

i think it was stated a few year ago that only the truck series will accept other companies ie: nissan and toyota
and sadly there is a honda in the making

Better... They're completely different styles of racing. That's like comparing apples to corned beef!! lol

While on the subject...I will take the apples.

In my opinion, Nascar is too boring...except maybe the crashes. But that's evil...so I just don't like it.

NASCAR owns. I don't even think that CART and Indy can be counted as racing leagues anymore...

yeah like soccer.. nascar on tv just isnt the same

yeah like soccer.. nascar on tv just isnt the same


Soccer is great no matter where, what, how, when, why, who.

well the who part is wrong. MLS, girls, and mentals can't play. boring.

NASCAR would be nice with some turns instead of ovals..... ...if they permitted it.....

EDIT: Do they have any real turns with curbing?.....

NASCAR would be nice with some turns instead of ovals..... ...if they permitted it.....

EDIT: Do they have any real turns with curbing?.....


[-X Hey!!! you say NASCAR got no turns?.....it says on here that you live in Frisco, which is about 1/2 hour from Sears Point (in Sonoma), it's NASCAR road course. You should go, it's graet fun.

Soccer is great no matter where, what, how, when, why, who.

i cant watch soccer on tv.. its soo much better at the actual game

My oldest friend (75+ road races) has NEVER watched a NASCAR race except the 2 road races at Sears Point and Watkins Glen.

Nextel Cup takes a weekend off while the BGN/Busch Grand National series races the road course at Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez in Mexico DF. 7500' of altitude will cripple the engines. The drivers will be forced to get creative. VERY creative.

Icing on the cake is Rolex Grand Am racing on Saturday 3/4 (delayed to 8PM EST on Speed). My comments on last fall's race included "gasping for HP and flailing for downforce." The GT class had better racing.

I understand that folks from Dubai to Denmark may not have access to TV coverage of such US racing series. There are stateside posters ignant enough to believe NASCAR = round track only. Wake up!

My oldest friend (75+ road races) has NEVER watched a NASCAR race except the 2 road races at Sears Point and Watkins Glen.

Nextel Cup takes a weekend off while the BGN/Busch Grand National series races the road course at Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez in Mexico DF. 7500' of altitude will cripple the engines. The drivers will be forced to get creative. VERY creative.

Icing on the cake is Rolex Grand Am racing on Saturday 3/4 (delayed to 8PM EST on Speed). My comments on last fall's race included "gasping for HP and flailing for downforce." The GT class had better racing.

I understand that folks from Dubai to Denmark may not have access to TV coverage of such US racing series. There are stateside posters ignant enough to believe NASCAR = round track only. Wake up!


Whatever....

In my opinion, Nascar is too boring...except maybe the crashes. But that's evil...so I just don't like it.
i was going to say something along those lines...
yeah f1 wins for me

I like the NASCAR vehicles (some of them at least look interesting) but most of the tracks they race on are just plain boring.
Formula one tracks are interesting but the cars are boring.

I like the latter better though.

Stop making such sh*tty threads you over-patriotic fool.


But on the subject, neither. But NASCAR is so redneck, just round & round. That's all I see it as.

F1, too technology reliant and very boring. I like it much more than Nascar though. Much, much more.

F1 without a doubt

That doesn't make ANY sense...

Nascar...has a bunch of ford Tauruses...and Chevy Malibu's and Monte carlos...racing..

Wow...EXCITING!!

ladies and gentlemen..

the internets 3 second google search representation of Nascar....
http://www.life.uiuc.edu/edtech/html/gifs/circle.gif

One is a spectator sport and the other a purist sport, don't try to go any further...

i think this is a first.. but still way too different for comparisons.


Exactly.. What a waste of time to even think of a comapro....

That doesn't make ANY sense...

Nascar...has a bunch of ford Tauruses...and Chevy Malibu's and Monte carlos...racing..

Wow...EXCITING!!

ladies and gentlemen..

the internets 3 second google search representation of Nascar....
http://www.life.uiuc.edu/edtech/html/gifs/circle.gif

** **** are you talkin' about...Malibus...in nascar???????
Year 2006, you can have your choice of...
-Chevy- Monte Carlo (2004, 2005) Monte Carlo SS (2006)
-Ford- Taurus (2004, 2005), Fusion (2006)
-Dodge- Charger (2005, 2006), Intrepid (2004).

F1 is hardly even a "motorsport", its a "ComputerSport" :idea:

Its not a computersport its the pinnicle of motorsport and the whole point of F1 is to have the best technology to outpace your oppenent even if it means spending millions just for that extra few tenths.

F1 vs Nascar Lets See
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damn jus cant see myself ever watching an entire nascar race the cars look the same the circuits are hardly challenging speeds aint superquick
but as someone said in the thread earlier it jus comes down to personal taste and which 1 gets your heart pumping and nascar jus puts me to sleep.

Da hell are you talkin' about...Malibus...in nascar???????
Year 2006, you can have your choice of...
-Chevy- Monte Carlo (2004, 2005) Monte Carlo SS (2006)
-Ford- Taurus (2004, 2005), Fusion (2006)
-Dodge- Charger (2005, 2006), Intrepid (2004).

HELL YEAH..

You mean I can drive either a Taurus..OR an intrepid?
dude i'm like a kid in a candy store with this variety..

Its not a computersport its the pinnicle of motorsport and the whole point of F1 is to have the best technology to outpace your oppenent even if it means spending millions just for that extra few tenths.

F1 vs Nascar Lets See
F1
F1
F1
F1
F1
F1
F1
damn jus cant see myself ever watching an entire nascar race the cars look the same the circuits are hardly challenging speeds aint superquick
but as someone said in the thread earlier it jus comes down to personal taste and which 1 gets your heart pumping and nascar jus puts me to sleep.

You say "Which one gets your heart pumping" ...i'm sorry man you've obvously never been to a NASCAR race.
I don't get whats exciting about watching a bunch of Euro race their computers......next thing you know MICROSOFT will be entering a computer/car in F1.
Its stupid, if an f1 car has a problem (loose, tight, track-bar adjustment, wedge...whater it is) the computer fixes it itself...the guys in the pits can't do it?????

You say "Which one gets your heart pumping" ...i'm sorry man you've obvously never been to a NASCAR race.
I don't get whats exciting about watching a bunch of Euro race their computers......next thing you know MICROSOFT will be entering a computer/car in F1.
Its stupid, if an f1 car has a problem (loose, tight, track-bar adjustment, wedge...whater it is) the computer fixes it itself...the guys in the pits can't do it?????


Well thats the pointim trying to prove F1 is all about going as quick as possible to enure you win so i doubt teams will spend time in pits fixing something and it sure isn' boring i attended the 2005 british grand prix and was the best day of my life the speed sound looks atmosphere its jus sensational it got MY heart pumping it may not get yours pumping but thats your personal taste. PLease do try and understand my post properly.

Okay, okay, okay....how about this, some i'll attend an F1 race, and you attend a NASCAR race.:)

[-X Hey!!! you say NASCAR got no turns?.....it says on here that you live in Frisco, which is about 1/2 hour from Sears Point (in Sonoma), it's NASCAR road course. You should go, it's graet fun.

I didn't know that! Infineon Raceway is one of my favorites. (Infineon Raceway is formerly known as Sears point).

If you knew what Sears point was, (Infineon raceway:rolleyes: ). How could you NOT know that NASCAR races there???...anyway I'm glad its one of you favorites, one of mine too.

ps. I'm one of those "Refuse to change" types, thats why i call it Sears Point.

Okay, okay, okay....how about this, some i'll attend an F1 race, and you attend a NASCAR race.:)

Maybe when im older and i travel to america but for now ill stick to f1 in europe.

Alright, just keep it in mind.

Neither one really, I mean F1 is amazing just because of the cars themselves and what they're capable of, and NASCAR's cool because of how fast they can go with the seemingly unlimited restrictions they continually place on the cars.

But my fav is ALMS, I enjoy seeing real cars,(somewhat) racing each other, and I enjoy the international competition aspect of it as well. I realize the DBR9 and the C6R are no where near the same cars that you can buy at the dealership, but it's neat to see what you COULD do if you had enough money!!

Ya, ALMS is great, I was at Sears Point when Earnhadt Jr. (Corvette) hit the wall hard, with the rear end, and blew the fuel cell....WOW, it was BAD!!!

there both ****

Nothing in the history of motorsport has ever come close to Formula 1 and nothing ever will. Active suspension, ground effects, 1000bhp 1.5L turbo engines which pushed 1200bhp during qualifying,traction control, launch control, 1.3 tons of downforce on each car, taking sharp corners at well over 200kmph,$250-300 Million team budgets, 20000rpm redline, seven-speed gearbox, ..................the list could go on and on.One of the few technological wonders it missed was the oval-pistoned engine and that's about it.WHATEVER EVERY BODY ELSE MIGHT BELIEVE I THINK TOP LEVEL MOTORSPORT SHOULD FEATURE TECHNO-GIMMICKERY AND INTENSE RIVALRY BETWEEN FACTORIES

PS: If you want to see real racing watch a Motogp race It has more overtakings and heart-stopping moments in a single lap than other motorsport championships have in their entire season. WRC is also extremely cool

Nothing in the history of motorsport has ever come close to Formula 1 and nothing ever will. Active suspension, ground effects, 1000bhp 1.5L turbo engines which pushed 1200bhp during qualifying,traction control, launch control, 1.3 tons of downforce on each car, taking sharp corners at well over 200kmph,$250-300 Million team budgets, 20000rpm redline, seven-speed gearbox, ..................the list could go on and on.One of the few technological wonders it missed was the oval-pistoned engine and that's about it.WHATEVER EVERY BODY ELSE MIGHT BELIEVE I THINK TOP LEVEL MOTORSPORT SHOULD FEATURE TECHNO-GIMMICKERY AND INTENSE RIVALRY BETWEEN FACTORIES

PS: If you want to see real racing watch a Motogp race It has more overtakings and heart-stopping moments in a single lap than other motorsport championships have in their entire season. WRC is also
extremely cool


A bit exagerated , as if, more like 800bhp and indy cars are just as fast. and not 1.5 litres , 2.4 v8s and 3 litre V10's get it right.

A bit exagerated , as if, more like 800bhp and indy cars are just as fast. and not 1.5 litres , 2.4 v8s and 3 litre V10's get it right.

Atually all factually correct. He isn't only referring to todays F1 but the 1980's and 1990's in which there were less restrictions.

A bit exagerated , as if, more like 800bhp and indy cars are just as fast. and not 1.5 litres , 2.4 v8s and 3 litre V10's get it right.

Try to get to know about the 80's turbo era - It was very interesting If I am not wrong cars used to run 4.0 bar boost in 1985.

Try to get to know about the 80's turbo era - It was very interesting If I am not wrong cars used to run 4.0 bar boost in 1985.

70's and 80's i awas not even born , how was i ment to know

This is all a matter of opinion and thats it. I can argue all day that nascar is great BLAH BLAH BLAH ( i dont watch racing of anykind)

Juggernaut, your "ultimate F1" spew looks pretty narrow-minded/ignorant; considering how hard you are sucking on the teat of CART/Indy info in another thread.

Telling someone who has been here far longer than you to shut up could get you weaned...

i like the cars, hate watching the races.

Took note of SteveFX Sorry I am removing that demeaning and insulting post Again Sorry to S2K Rulz All

Definatley F1, NASCAR is a boring disgrace to what it used to be. In the past they used real production bodies and engines, not these things they race now that look nothing like a production car. Why are they still using carbureted V8s and 4 speeds? I think they need to get with the times. Id much rather see a true SRT-8 Charger tearing up a road course against GTO's than watching some tube framed car with Charger stickers running another boring oval. The true potential of these cars isnt being seen. I like F1, MotoGP, Australian V8 Supercars (what NASCAR should be, http://www.v8supercar.com.au/) Trans Am, and anything else besides NASCAR

NASCAR was great then and is great now. And what do you find so disturbing about the carbed 358's that they run??? It's old school, so what??? They've about got 800+ hp.
NASCAR drives on mid-size speedway ovals, huge superspeedways, tiny short-tracks, and roadcourses. Thats more flexibility than F1 ever sees!

I wish NASCAR had around 10-12 road courses in their calender. They would certainly win more overseas fans that way

Yea they only have 2, they could use a couple more. (Honestly I only want more cause' my guy, Jeff Gordon, always dominates them.) As far as spectators go, they don't get as big attendence at courses. The crowds continuesly sell out at most short- tracks.

NASCAR was great then and is great now. And what do you find so disturbing about the carbed 358's that they run??? It's old school, so what??? They've about got 800+ hp.
NASCAR drives on mid-size speedway ovals, huge superspeedways, tiny short-tracks, and roadcourses. Thats more flexibility than F1 ever sees!

Maybe because a carbed 358 isnt on the option list in any stock car on any dealers showroom floor. Its not that I dont like carbs, its that its been out of date for around 20 years. You didnt see anyone running a flathead back in '68, why would they run a carb in '06? They can get 800+ HP with fuel injection as well. Eliminate those stupid restrictor plates as well. If they had to run a production engine/chassis, the consumer would most likely get a better product from all the r & d put in. the cars look like pigs on the roadcourses too, but I guess this is what you like. Id rather see the true potential of these cars (and would love to see them resemble a car as well). My dad owns a 70 Plymouth Superbird, a direct result of NASCAR r&d being used on production cars. Not some wannabe V8 RWD Ford Fusion

Maybe because a carbed 358 isnt on the option list in any stock car on any dealers showroom floor. Its not that I dont like carbs, its that its been out of date for around 20 years. You didnt see anyone running a flathead back in '68, why would they run a carb in '06? They can get 800+ HP with fuel injection as well. Eliminate those stupid restrictor plates as well. If they had to run a production engine/chassis, the consumer would most likely get a better product from all the r & d put in. the cars look like pigs on the roadcourses too, but I guess this is what you like. Id rather see the true potential of these cars (and would love to see them resemble a car as well). My dad owns a 70 Plymouth Superbird, a direct result of NASCAR r&d being used on production cars. Not some wannabe V8 RWD Ford Fusion

This is one of the reasons i would put F1 infront of NASCAR. Racing cars should be allways on cuting edge of tehnologie. That had been so since first car races. You took stock car and modifie for cacing. NASCAR was like that back in history too and that made it famous, modified stock cars and lots of owertaking and craches..ok that still is there.
Second reason is i find F1 more chalenging for the driver since it is far harder to drive F1 or its tracks on limit then NASCAR car on all thises ovals and hi-speed tracks. Theare is a lot of trafic around driver in NASCAR but track itself isnt that challenging.

StrokedGT: "the cars look like pigs on the roadcourses too,"


What do you think? A NASCAR stockcar weighs about 3400 pounds, and is NOT at all made for road courses. Thats what makes it such a challenge, its simple to race some lightweight, computer run car around turns (F1). But I dout Micheal Shumaker has what it takes to muscle a NASCAR style stockcar around a roadcourse.

StrokedGT: "the cars look like pigs on the roadcourses too,"


What do you think? A NASCAR stockcar weighs about 3400 pounds, and is NOT at all made for road courses. Thats what makes it such a challenge, its simple to race some lightweight, computer run car around turns (F1). But I dout Micheal Shumaker has what it takes to muscle a NASCAR style stockcar around a roadcourse.


I'd doubt that last part, F1 drivers pull up to 5 g's in corners and 3-5 g's under braking, another 1-2 when accelerating...On some tracks it's constant sudden changes compared to relatively gradual changes on Nascar tracks.

Anybody who doubts F1 drivers' abilities need to see a driver taking the Eau Rouge through the in-cockpit camera. You won't be able to sleep for days

NASCAR's boring... almost as boring as synchronized swimming

If you knew what Sears point was, (Infineon raceway:rolleyes: ). How could you NOT know that NASCAR races there???...anyway I'm glad its one of you favorites, one of mine too.

ps. I'm one of those "Refuse to change" types, thats why i call it Sears Point.

i think that explains ur redneck posts,

whats so interesting about a bunch of cars going round and round, f1 is much much better than nascar

anyways

rallies over f1... f1 over nascar

And whoever thinks F1 is driven by computers is wrong.
Electronic is very limited in F1 in this and last season, but it is true there were a danger of too much computer controll few seasons back. F1 was allways in cuting edge in just any tehnologie they are using and couse we live in digital era you cant ban all electronic stuff from that cars couse that would put cars decade back.
All this forces, high speeds and sometimes unpredictable behavior of car makes F1 really chalenging. Whoever doubts about drivers skills should take a look owerteaking wheare drivers are driving at 170kmh wheel by wheel trugh curves wheare no road car could go 120kmh. Just one mistake and both end off road. If back and front tires of oponents touch, last one gets airborn....
I m not saying NASCAR isnt chalenging but you need less phisical condition, less concentration and less precision...

NASCAR's boring... almost as boring as synchronized swimming

By judging from your post, I take it you have never been to a NASCAR race.....now that your in Kansas you should go to Kansas City Speedway this summer....If your near Kansas City. I garentee you'll love it!

By judging from your post, I take it you have never been to a NASCAR race.....now that your in Kansas you should go to Kansas City Speedway this summer....If your near Kansas City. I garentee you'll love it!Nope sorry, been to quite a few of them. I still find it boring.

Which tracks did you go to, and when?!?!

F1 is better, although, over in england i do get to watch some late night nascar, and it not bad, but then agian its only highlights and im already half asleep anyway!!!

Which tracks did you go to, and when?!?!California Speedway in Fontana, Kansas Speedway in KC, and Texas Motor Speedway down by Ft Worth. My dad is a racing fanatic. Doesn't matter what kind. He goes for the racing... I go for the pits. I get annoyed by the racing. As for when I've been going for years.

Well at least you went to races and decided you didn't like it.....but I can't quite comprehend it.

I can't comprehend why people don't like drag racing or ice hockey or strawberry ice cream. I also can't comprehend why anyone would like Mustangs but I guess it all comes down to personal preference. Not everyone can like what Mr Horse likes...

Not everyone can like what Mr Horse likes...

And that's all that matters.

Until I actually see NASCAR (not likely) will I know whether I like it or not in real life. I can watch it on tv for maybe max 5 minutes at a time.

Honestly, the only motive for me to watch them go 'round and 'round is the hope one of those signature NASCAR multiple car, major pile ups occur. Sorry to say that, but it's true.

I find sitting on Hotel balconies in the city, spotting nice cars far, far more interesting.

Hillclimbs are awesome BTW, Horse, have you ever seen & heard a Porsche 962 Le Mans launch (they usually shouldn't) then accend a tight n' twisty mountain road? I have. Unbelievable.

Parko did any of these Group C cars feature electronic trickery??

Lets see if we can sink a few cans in the lake (punch holes in ignorance).

Horse; you say F1 cars are driven by computers? About the time you took the training wheels off your bike (too soon/head injury?), F1 was far closer to your current misconceptions.

Early 90's saw full time (not just launch) traction control, active suspensions, auto downshift (brake hard, let the 'puter do it), and continuous per-lap updates. Every time the car passed the pits, teams laser downloaded the data recorded on the previous lap: fuel mixture, ignition timing, EGT, wheelspin blocked by traction control, suspension motion, instantaneous lateral Gs, etc.

The techno ferrets in the pits would quickly crunch this info and figure out what changes to make. The NEXT time the car passed the pits these changes would be uploaded to the car; while downloading another lap's worth of data. The fastest car might be the one with the best programmers; not the best car nor the one with the best driver. Considering the nastiness that the AI in Forza or Toca 2 can throw at me now; it's concievable that we could be watching full-scale computer racing today. Thank gawd FIA said ENOUGH; and pulled the plug.

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Horse & Goyc, you think a euroweenie F1 driver couldn't handle a stock car or vice versa? Obviously(!) you both aren't aware that on 6/11/03, the week before the Montreal GP, Carlos Montoya came to Indy with his Williams/BMW for some publicity. After a few shakedown laps on the GP course and a few adjustments, he handed the car off to Jeff Gordon. Jeff ran 10 laps. His best was 1.34 seconds slower than Montoya's. (I never said Gordon wasn't talented; just that he's a crybaby.) Jeffie said that he could not BELIEVE the braking; he could feel his eyeballs push against his eyelids and just could not go deeper.

Jeff Gordon ran laps on a generic roadcourse setup (NASCAR doesn't race on the Indy GP course; so there was no specific baseline setup to work from) in his #24 DuPUNK Chevy, made some adjustments, then gave the car to Montoya for 10 laps. Carlos' best lap was only 1.1 seconds slower.

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StrokedGT sez Nascar cars look like "pigs" on road courses. Compared to F1, so do production-based Mustangs and Camaros. Lets go with 3400 lbs (heaviest circuit racing cars in 80 years!), 12 inch tires, and 800 HP! On a road course, it looks like harder work than F1. Carburetors are still used to keep costs down and to prevent 'puter tech from taking over.

I'll be baaack!

I dont have any idea what other people have posted so far, so I'll just sum up the main ideas for both sides of the argument

For NASCAR: ARRRGGGG, I'm mentally insane, get me a beer, you're a GIRL for turning in more then one direction! Real men spin around in circles all day!

For F1: Nascar is boring and only mentally handicaped people enjoy it.

You cant take a wild guess at which one I think is better, unless you're a NASCAR fan, then you should probably get your helmet on before you attempt to do something that requires "thinking".

thats harsh man.. just harsh

so what about those who like both,? i would like to hear a quote from one of them.

thats harsh man.. just harshYet funny at the same time

f1 is so much more interesting to watch in my opinion. rednecks watch nascar for the bumps and the crashes. its really not interesting to watch cars drive in a circle.

f1 is so much more interesting to watch in my opinion. rednecks watch nascar for the bumps and the crashes. its really not interesting to watch cars drive in a circle.

Open up to alternate forms of racing dude. Sheesh.

I *hate* to quote Mopar68 on well, anything, but, "Eurosnob".

WRC, anyone?;)

I dont have any idea what other people have posted so far, so I'll just sum up the main ideas for both sides of the argument

For NASCAR: ARRRGGGG, I'm mentally insane, get me a beer, you're a GIRL for turning in more then one direction! Real men spin around in circles all day!

For F1: Nascar is boring and only mentally handicaped people enjoy it.

You cant take a wild guess at which one I think is better, unless you're a NASCAR fan, then you should probably get your helmet on before you attempt to do something that requires "thinking".

Other than making no discernable sense; your post admits that you opine/spew before reading. You should hook up with King of Vipers. You could help him write a book nobody would read.

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Funnycar: I have attended 15-20 times as many road races (Can-Am, SCCA, IMSA, ALMS, GA, F1) as NASCAR races because I consider road racing to be a technically higher art form. I still watch both looking for close competition. Watching Senna (RIP) or Schumi run away and hide from the rest of field can (and has) put me to sleep just as fast as watching Dale Earnhardt Sr. (RIP) kick butt and not take (possibly misspelled) names.

My post made perfect sence. It was a joke of parody in which I was using a redneck sterotype to classify all NASCAR fans as being of very low inteligence. If you couldn't see that, then maybe its not a sterotype at all. You're the confusing one! From what you said it sounds like you dont really like either. Schumi is getting old anyway. Soon Ferrari will have to retrofit his car to accompany his oxygen tank and walker! Whats more exciting then all of these forms of racing is going to the junk yard and buy two cars for 20 dollars and racing them until they explode! Its not a race of speed, but a race of endurace, whos car will break down first!

F1 is much better. No Contest!

F1 is much better. No Contest!

LOL! you have the perfect name for that....Superkraut.

Oooo....F1 is so very savwafair.http://www.maksportnet.com/avtosvet/images/devojki/f1-baby5.jpg

The ALMS girls/Pirelli girls had at least 100 square inches more fabric/bod at Petit LeMans than in Infernal's pic. They were "nice" girls. They were in more pics than the drivers. You could have been killed in the rush. This at a high class international racing event.

I always laughed when Jeff Gordon won a NASCAR race and designated "race queens" were banned from Victory Circle by decree from wife (ex-race bimbo herself) Brooke Gordon. I guess she knew what sort of grabazz/honking went on there. After all, it got her the gravy train ride.

I laughed until I CRIED when I heard her claim in her divorce suit that she gave up her "career" for jeffie!

I always laughed when Jeff Gordon won a NASCAR race and designated "race queens" were banned from Victory Circle by decree from wife (ex-race bimbo herself) Brooke Gordon. I guess she knew what sort of grabazz/honking went on there. After all, it got her the gravy train ride.


I miss the Winston Girls!!!...those were good times. Do you think they'll ever have chicks to celebrate with you after the race ever again?
Or is that waaaay too politically Incorrect?

Nuke the unborn liberated gay whales.

Is THAT politically incorrect enough for you?

Sue me.

BITE me.

Oooo....F1 is so very savwafair.http://www.maksportnet.com/avtosvet/images/devojki/f1-baby5.jpg

THAT'S NOT F1

Nuke the unborn liberated gay whales.

Is THAT politically incorrect enough for you?

Sue me.

BITE me.

ummmmmm....ummmmmm
a little confused by what thats supposed to mean...???
and what is a "liberated gay whale"?

Funnycar, it is from a bumper sticker slamming OTHER protest bumper stickers. It slams anti-nuke, pro/anti-abortion, women's lib, gay rights, and treehugger activists.

I always laughed when Jeff Gordon won a NASCAR race and designated "race queens" were banned from Victory Circle by decree from wife (ex-race bimbo herself) Brooke Gordon. I guess she knew what sort of grabazz/honking went on there. After all, it got her the gravy train ride.

I laughed until I CRIED when I heard her claim in her divorce suit that she gave up her "career" for jeffie!So did I !!!!!:D :D :D

^^^yeah and she left Jeffy, she left with like ~ $7 million of his money. But I'm sure it was a sacrifice! lol!

Nascar Nextel Cup Racecars Cost $150,000 Each According To Imax Nascar Movie

That was a random post but....
Actually it really varies, you could probally get a decent short-track car for ~ $150,000 or even a little less than that. Just because they have less techs to work out, put a strong enough bar in the front end, and she'll be good. (ok not exactly, but close.) Many times you see the winner of Bristol come outta there with pretty beat-up car, but the top speed is ~125mph, areopackage doesn't matter there THAT much, (unless that is, if your messing with the spoiler.)

But a Superspeedway/restrictor plate car would be worth as much as ~ $400,000. They have to do sooo much more work in the wind-tunnel and with areodynamics. When many of the teams prepare their cars for Daytona they do the decals and emblems hand painted, because the stickers are thicker than a layer of paint, probally by about a thousandth (0.001) of an inch!!...not much, but enough. Their speeds in the 190's mph. If a driver has a tiny bent out piece of sheet-metal sticking out the side of his car, the lap times will significantly show it.

This is a slippery question. What does a race car "cost"? Is that relevant to what it takes to win?

Porsche ads listed a 917 at $36K F.O.B. NYC in 1970 (twice the price of a Ferrari Daytona); but you couldn't buy one unless you were an established performing racing team.

An IRL chassis "costs" $309K. You can buy a Grand Am rolling chassis/body for $275K. What does a Radical cost to "buy"?

You can't "buy" an F1 car. The rules say you have to build it (chassis) yourself.

Before he switched to IRL; Penske ran a shop in England w/30+ employees to build less than a dozen composite CART chassis/year. What did each one "cost"?

You could duplicate, to the satisfaction of this entire board, a NASCAR Cup car for not a lot more than $100K; even buying/leasing a motor from a top-10 team. It's a pile of jig-welded mild steel tubing + some hand/english wheel-formed sheetmetal + off the shelf supplier components. Hell, most teams bought chassis from Hutcherson-Pagen a dozen years ago (before sponsorship became BIG BUCKS!).

You would never qualify for a Cup race unless only 41 other cars entered. You would lack expertise in aerodynamics, suspension/shock tuning, engine tuning, etc.

What is experience worth w/o sponsored budgets? Kirk Shelmerdine was crew chief for Dale Earnhardt Sr from 1986-1992 for 246 top-10s, 142 top-5s, 14 poles, 46 wins, and 4 (FOUR) Cup Championships! He quit to drive on his own in lesser series. Dale fans hated him/thought him an idiot! He made his first attempt in Cup in '02. He finished 20th at Daytona this year. I was damned proud of him. Like the late Alan Kulwicki; he did it "his way."

I guess an Ferrari F1 car costs between 2-2.5 million bucks when they are auctioned off around 2 seasons after the car was run. According to Sports Car Market the engineers replace the ECU with a "vanilla version" and detune the car about 30-40 percent.

That's not true, or at least not true in every case. John Bosch, a very rich Dutch guy, has at least 4 modern F1 Ferrari's. They are still the real deal. They just get sold two years after the season they competed in. So that they're useless for other teams since the technology is old.

no costs between $1-1.6 Million at the auctions and when running at 70 percent power has a whopping 2000 dollar an hour running costs

http://www.sportscarmarket.com/profiles/2004/September/Race/index.html