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!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 03, 2005, 1:44 PM
He's the youngest man ever to win the F1 World Championship, he's done brilliantly. And now people are saying he's not worthy? from all you people that don't think Alonso deserved to win..I wana know why and your reasoning behind it.
sorry but i'm just really annoyed at people who say this right now.
Aleksander
Oct 03, 2005, 1:46 PM
He's worthy, so congratulations to Alonso
It's just that Kimmi had too much bad luck
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 03, 2005, 2:12 PM
yeah but when kimi had the bad luck...alonso was there being consistant the whole time
Subaru2005
Oct 03, 2005, 3:00 PM
im gonna be honest with ya. I HATE FORMULA 1!!!!! i think it is boring but for those of u who like it well enjoy it
Symeon
Oct 03, 2005, 4:57 PM
im gonna be honest with ya. I HATE FORMULA 1!!!!! i think it is boring but for those of u who like it well enjoy it
Bet some money on one of the drivers and it will become interesting:p
Erind
Oct 03, 2005, 5:02 PM
F1 is the best Racing I have watched. I have never watched WRC though, so that explains. But the rest of the races like nascar and what not are the gayest ever.
Alonso is not worthy IMO. He had too much luck, and he won due to his team and not him. With the changes in F1 Regulations lucky for Alonso, his team was able to adobt well and quickly.
And it was his luck that others had bad luck. Kimi for example, wayyyyy too much bad luck...
Congrats to Alonso though. He won and it does not matter if I go on talking about the way he did all of this. Most of the people who like Alonso hate Ferrari (Schumi in Particular).
NV85
Oct 03, 2005, 5:26 PM
Most of the people who like Alonso hate Ferrari (Schumi in Particular).
You're right highligting the word "most" because not everyone that like Alonso hate Schumacher or Ferrari. I'm a big Ferrari fan and I think Alonso deserved to win because he had the most reliable car and he had constant results; maybe he didn't won all the races but he was alwasys behind the leaders...I definitely don't hate Alonso, the only F1 driver i hate is Montoya (I just can't stand him!!).
RoadHog333
Oct 03, 2005, 5:30 PM
Alonso is not worthy IMO. He had too much luck, and he won due to his team and not him. With the changes in F1 Regulations lucky for Alonso, his team was able to adobt well and quickly.
Ahem, good morning class I am your sub for today. Lesson 1: There is no I in Team.
Edit: Congrats to him, I think he is a great driver. After watching this interview with him on Sunday, my respect for him has grown, alot.
Nemphis
Oct 03, 2005, 5:54 PM
Kimi deserved to win the Title ! Yes his car wasn't that reliable but He is faster than Alonso, he has abetter car than Alonso and Mclaren is a beta team than Renault!
And y does Alonso think he is beta than Kimi ?? Alonso has only won the title cus of Kimi's bad luck !
Jacol
Oct 03, 2005, 6:08 PM
Kimi deserved to win the Title ! Yes his car wasn't that reliable but He is faster than Alonso, he has abetter car than Alonso and Mclaren is a beta team than Renault!
And y does Alonso think he is beta than Kimi ?? Alonso has only won the title cus of Kimi's bad luck !
If Kimi is better driver and has better car then why he didn't win the title?
Erind
Oct 03, 2005, 7:10 PM
If Kimi is better driver and has better car then why he didn't win the title?
How many times have I said this?
The new F1 Regulations Suck. There is no doubt about it. Other teams were stuck in between the new and old regulations. It took quite a while for teams to adobt. Some, like renault, took it in and just went along... Schumi, barichello, Culthard, Montoya, Ralf, Button, Villnevue, Kimi, Trulli and Fisichella all are better drivers than Alonso.
Jacol
Oct 03, 2005, 8:38 PM
How many times have I said this?
The new regulations may suck but they are all the same for everybody so the best car + the best driver wins. That's why I didn't agree with Nemphis because he said that Raikonnen is better driver and McLaren has a better car if it would be like that Kimi would win.
Erind
Oct 03, 2005, 9:26 PM
McLaren is one of the best cars in f1 when it comes to straight, ballz-out racing like the 2001 season. It has (had actually) a few enemies, and Renault wasn't one of them.
Again, the new regulations have kept them back. They cannot put the most downforce, and get those high acceleration numbers and what not. They need to save the tyres and bs like that. Kimi is a better driver than alonso hands down. He had bad luck this season.
Remember Hakkinen? He was the only one to challenge schumacher as a driver with/without luck. His luck ran out toward the end of his career though. Very unlucky.
Sooooooo, alonso sucks. his team made him a champ. congrats to Renault, and congrats to Fernando for being at Renault at the right time. Hope the new regulations aren't as harsh, and see Renault with 20pts total at the end of the tournament like not too long ago.
wanna koenigsegg
Oct 03, 2005, 9:38 PM
He would not have won if he didnt deserve to, even if he had good luck.
Erind
Oct 03, 2005, 9:41 PM
Did The people at the 9/11 incident deserve to die?
They died though.
And don't get me wrong, Alonso deserved to win...
he just didnt do anything special so people have to talk good about him. Hell, Eddie Irvine almost won a while back. Why? Schumi and Ferrari...
Type_R
Oct 04, 2005, 12:07 AM
I think Alonso was the best this year.
zeyk
Oct 04, 2005, 1:27 AM
im gonna be honest with ya. I HATE FORMULA 1!!!!! i think it is boring but for those of u who like it well enjoy it
same here
jus like the tech n engineering put into it
RoadHog333
Oct 04, 2005, 1:30 AM
And don't get me wrong, Alonso deserved to win...
he just didnt do anything special so people have to talk good about him. Hell, Eddie Irvine almost won a while back. Why? Schumi and Ferrari...
Neither did the other teams, which is why he won.
CarRocker
Oct 04, 2005, 1:44 AM
Yeah, he did deserve it, but Kimi deserved it more as he was the fastest driver. But sport is about luck so yeah, Alonso deserved it too.
BUT, I just dont like Alonso. I hate his attitude, and I think that's what most people hate about Alonso
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 04, 2005, 2:01 AM
Kimi deserved to win the Title ! Yes his car wasn't that reliable but He is faster than Alonso, he has abetter car than Alonso and Mclaren is a beta team than Renault!
And y does Alonso think he is beta than Kimi ?? Alonso has only won the title cus of Kimi's bad luck !
um...no i don't agree. if the McLaren breaks down then its not Alonso's fault. if you are always behind the winners then they break down what would you do???
F1 isn't about luck, you can't win a champoinship on luck, you win it on consistently being where you need to be and having a reliable car
The new regulations may suck but they are all the same for everybody so the best car + the best driver wins. That's why I didn't agree with Nemphis because he said that Raikonnen is better driver and McLaren has a better car if it would be like that Kimi would win.
I agree the McLaren my be the fastest car out there, but if you push it too hard then obviously it will break under the pressure. the technical director of Renault (Phil Collins or something) even said they could have pushed the cars but where would the point be? When you push the cars what happened to the McLarens happens and so it is the way you drive too.
Again, the new regulations have kept them back. They cannot put the most downforce, and get those high acceleration numbers and what not. They need to save the tyres and bs like that. Kimi is a better driver than alonso hands down. He had bad luck this season.
Remember Hakkinen? He was the only one to challenge schumacher as a driver with/without luck. His luck ran out toward the end of his career though. Very unlucky.
Sooooooo, alonso sucks. his team made him a champ. congrats to Renault, and congrats to Fernando for being at Renault at the right time. Hope the new regulations aren't as harsh, and see Renault with 20pts total at the end of the tournament like not too long ago.
1. If Kimi's such a good driver then why did he push the car too hard and break down so much?
2. Hakkinen never really stood a chance after his 2 wins to be honest
3. How can Alonso suck, he was there, behind the leaders, he was consistant the whole time..if you just look at his results. You would do the same in his position.
Yeah, he did deserve it, but Kimi deserved it more as he was the fastest driver. But sport is about luck so yeah, Alonso deserved it too.
BUT, I just dont like Alonso. I hate his attitude, and I think that's what most people hate about Alonso
1. Just because Kimi was the fastest, doesn't mean he deserved it
2. Sport's not about luck, it's about perfection
wanna koenigsegg
Oct 04, 2005, 3:33 AM
Did The people at the 9/11 incident deserve to die?
They died though.
poor example, seriously dude alonso was the most consistent all year, kimi's car kept breaking down-thats motorsport, renault was the better team because they could build alonso reliable cars.
zenophobia
Oct 04, 2005, 4:01 AM
i dont think F1 is a racing .... i mean from behind u will noe that its already plan well just waiting some special reason to keep it up!
CarRocker
Oct 04, 2005, 8:53 AM
1. Just because Kimi was the fastest, doesn't mean he deserved it
2. Sport's not about luck, it's about perfection
IMO he does, because he was almost every time faster then Alonso. In race pace, Alonso NEVER stood a chance
Sport is also about luck, if you think it isn't then you might want to do some more sports.
And your statement about Kimi pushing the car too much doesnt make sense at all, and you know that.
Erind
Oct 04, 2005, 10:29 AM
KIMI deserved to win.
He pushed the car because he knew that the car is his limit. If he had a better car, he would have won. None the less, mclaren is great. they have the best cars. It could have been that he was not used to stupid mechanical regulations that tells you not to put a lot of downforce, tells you to decrease acceleration to increase tyre resistance, tells you to reduce weight to increase tyre resistance and tells you other bs. Obviously he is great because he was looking for something that wasnt there. SPEED!!!
and you are challenging Hakkinen? Shame on you. Do your reasearch. Maybe you did not watch F1 when he was around. Competition makes the sport. like Europe... know why people watch european socceR? they have good competition... Know why people don't watch South American Soccer? because Brazil ownz all. Know why people don't watch mls? cuz they all suck.
crossle 32f
Oct 04, 2005, 12:43 PM
You are all arguing for no reason, and I'll tell you why :
In motorsport TO FINISH FIRST, FIRST YOU HAVE TO FINISH !!!
End of discussion...
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 04, 2005, 1:05 PM
IMO he does, because he was almost every time faster then Alonso. In race pace, Alonso NEVER stood a chance
Sport is also about luck, if you think it isn't then you might want to do some more sports.
And your statement about Kimi pushing the car too much doesnt make sense at all, and you know that.
and why was he faster than alonso? he pushed harder
thats actually what the Renault technical director said actually!
Erind
Oct 04, 2005, 1:20 PM
Take kimi in Renault, take kimi in mclaren, kimi in mclaren beats kimi in renault. Renault=sucky sucky
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 04, 2005, 1:23 PM
how can you say renault suck the yjust won the champoinship
Erind
Oct 04, 2005, 1:28 PM
they suck as a car, they are ok as a team.
and suck, you know i mean compared to others... where was renault two years ago??????? bottom of list... why? because they sucked.. where are they now? top of list.... why? because their slow, stupid, dispropotionate car was already suited to the "regulations" since they were slow.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 04, 2005, 1:43 PM
um they were never at the bottom..that's minardis job ;-) doesn't it make themg ood if they have the perfect car and it was ready to race:P
Mopar68
Oct 04, 2005, 1:44 PM
how can you say renault suck the yjust won the champoinship
No, one of Renaults driver's one the championshiop. McLaren Mercedes is winning the constructors championship. It's still a toss up, though. Renault might pull something off, but I doubt it. They were riding on Fernando, and he's probably not going to push too hard, but who knows.
I don't like Alonso because I heard he was cocky as hell. Having a championship underneath his belt at that age is not going to stop his ego from growing out of proportion. He's turning into Schumacher, which is what the sport doesn't need. However, Renault (although an excellent team) won't dominate like Ferrari did.
All in all, I'm very happy with the season. It was a close race for both championships all the way to the end. Ferrari actually has to try to get on the podium, and McLaren Mercedes is back on top. If Montoya didn't take so long to get used to the car, McLaren would no doubt have a driver's championship under there belts.
Whatever. The best driver with the best car will always win. Simple as that. Luck has nothing to do with it.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 04, 2005, 1:51 PM
Whatever. The best driver with the best car will always win. Simple as that. Luck has nothing to do with it.
thanks mopar for agreeing with me
Erind
Oct 04, 2005, 1:53 PM
lmao. ok argument over... so whats new?
Nemphis
Oct 04, 2005, 2:56 PM
I'm a die hard Kimi fan, yes I kno is car wasn't reliable but Kimi has came runner up twice now for 2 years on the trot so u hav to give the man sum credit ne 1 agree ??
Sort of along the lines of this subject wat about the Kimi - Rossi partnership rumoured for the 2007 season ????
Mopar68
Oct 04, 2005, 6:04 PM
I'm a die hard Kimi fan, yes I kno is car wasn't reliable but Kimi has came runner up twice now for 2 years on the trot so u hav to give the man sum credit ne 1 agree ??
Sort of along the lines of this subject wat about the Kimi - Rossi partnership rumoured for the 2007 season ????
Of course I agree. He was my pick for champion for this year. In like, January, I said McLaren Mercedes was going to do good. Why? Look at their record. Kimi has been the only one to really stand up to the Ferrari juggernaut. Also, if Schumacher or Barichello didn't set the fastest lap times, it was either him or Montoya, so, go figure.
And what team would kimi and rossi be on? McLaren Mercedes? Ferrari? I couldn't imagine Rossi in a McLaren, and I couldn't imagine Kimi in a Ferrari. They're both fine where they stand.
Cooper "s"
Oct 04, 2005, 6:13 PM
Unless kimi and Montoya learn to control the limit of their cars, they will always have bad luck, especially Montoya, he just loves to breack things, and Kimi is right up there, lost a race because he just had to be going all out, so he had to brake hard flat spotted the tire and well you know the rest...
Rossi is not going to F1, this thing has been goign on for the past 5 years, and he acutally did try a schumi's ferrari laping 5 seconds slower that schumi in it, so he has some potential, but not goign to happen.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 05, 2005, 2:02 AM
Unless kimi and Montoya learn to control the limit of their cars, they will always have bad luck, especially Montoya, he just loves to breack things, and Kimi is right up there, lost a race because he just had to be going all out, so he had to brake hard flat spotted the tire and well you know the rest...
they were pushing to hard in other words
i think this pretty much sums it up..this is why I love Alonso's attitude so cool and calm
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/kazzer225/25points.jpg
FastEnough
Oct 05, 2005, 11:36 AM
they were pushing to hard in other words
Kimi didn't break his car.. okay.. it happened once but the fact is that Mclaren was too unreliable for Kimi. Keke Rosberg said that driver cant break F1-car by "pushing too hard" !! And I believe that.
Alonso deserved his championship definitely.. no doubt. He got more points that any other driver. That is the most important thing.
It still doesn't mean that he would be faster or better driver than Kimi.
IMO Kimi is way better than Alonso. If Mclaren didn't get broken Kimi was always ahead alonso.
Jean Todt said that he would take Kimi rather than Alonso to his team.
IMO Todt is experienced enough to see which one has more talents and ability.
jimkk29
Oct 06, 2005, 3:50 AM
i think this pretty much sums it up..this is why I love Alonso's attitude so cool and calm
Oh come on, you just think he's handsome and good looking. :cool:
Girls... :rolleyes:
FastEnough
Oct 06, 2005, 10:51 AM
Oh come on, you just think he's handsome and good looking. :cool:
Girls... :rolleyes:
:):):):):)
GOOD POINT!!!!! :p
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 06, 2005, 12:00 PM
no i have to say i don't find him one bit attractive...im telling the truth here
Mopar68
Oct 06, 2005, 12:17 PM
James Hunt. Now that man was an attractive racer. Francois Cevert was also a handsome man.
They put Alonoso to shame looks wise.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 06, 2005, 2:04 PM
http://www.grandprix.com/jpeg/bc/Hunt_74_monaco_01_bc.jpg <---buff?? whatever
http://www.grandprix.com/jpeg/bc/Cevert_73_france_01_bc.jpg
um yeah
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/alonso_fernando050401.jpg <---ugh
Erind
Oct 06, 2005, 3:17 PM
so???????
Alonso is still gay! I hate him. Go back to spain and ride bulls ya f@ggot.
Mopar68
Oct 06, 2005, 6:49 PM
http://www.grandprix.com/jpeg/bc/Hunt_74_monaco_01_bc.jpg <---buff?? whatever
http://www.grandprix.com/jpeg/bc/Cevert_73_france_01_bc.jpg
um yeah
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/alonso_fernando050401.jpg <---ugh
I'd hit all of them. I think you're just picky. If any of them asked you to marry them, you'd say yes.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 07, 2005, 1:33 AM
something to do with money lol
Mopar68
Oct 07, 2005, 10:30 AM
something to do with money lol
Nah, I'd marry them just to see if they'd let me sit in their car.
Metallica Forever
Oct 08, 2005, 10:46 AM
HAHAHAHAHA.You guys are funny.Anyway IMO Alonso is a superb driver.The Renault F1 car has really good torque.But overall I believe the Mclaren is a better car.BUT....Alonso won the Championship=ExcellentDriver=Deserve the title.BTW the new F1 rules is g8.Because IMO the previous F1 rules will cause the driver and contractors who has the best time management stategy will win.Which is the main reason why Ferrari & Schumi has been dominating the sprots until recently.So the new rule is to eradicate that and make the sport fair to every team.And this season also proves another thing.Michellin tyres are superb.
Erind
Oct 08, 2005, 11:29 AM
HAHAHAHAHA.You guys are funny.Anyway IMO Alonso is a superb driver.The Renault F1 car has really good torque.But overall I believe the Mclaren is a better car.BUT....Alonso won the Championship=ExcellentDriver=Deserve the title.BTW the new F1 rules is g8.Because IMO the previous F1 rules will cause the driver and contractors who has the best time management stategy will win.Which is the main reason why Ferrari & Schumi has been dominating the sprots until recently.So the new rule is to eradicate that and make the sport fair to every team.And this season also proves another thing.Michellin tyres are superb.
stop talking out of your ***. Driver, Strategy, Speed, Experience, and ability apply to any sports. ALL SPORTS in fact. Except F1 and ist new regulations. It does give other teams better chances, but why? If they arent able to win straight all ballz-out races, why bother? They suck. Alonso Sucks. All the little kids suck.
Its ALL ABOUT strategy and driver ability because lets face it, put schumi in a renault, mclaren, toyota, redbull, and w/e else, he will get pretty close times if not the same. its not so much the car, its the Driver. Alonso sucks. say what? YES HE SUCKS!!!
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 08, 2005, 11:32 AM
erind if it's about strategy then the best strategy this year was by renualt. why can't you accept then won on their own merit :( they were there when they needed to be consistantly picked up the points. and if its the driver he has to be good to
Erind
Oct 08, 2005, 11:38 AM
Yes but people here are saying Alonso IS GOD. ALONSO IS EXCELLENT. ALONSO IS GREAT... F*CK YALL!!!
Why didn't he win last year? Why didn't he win two years ago? Why didn't he ever win? What? he became good all of a sudden? NO. The rules changed, it favored his slow *** car with no downforce, and he won.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 08, 2005, 11:39 AM
well then good for them. thats strategy. to win the race you have 2 have the right car. you can't diss people for their opinions, your like dissing the WHOLE of spain by saying what ya just said :(
Erind
Oct 08, 2005, 11:45 AM
I am not dissing, I am expressing my opinion and what I think is right. Obviously he is not excellent. noone is excellent. Even schumi with so many years of experience, even senna who died due to his lack of excellence, and other great drivers. Strategy is nto having the right car. Strategy is choosing how to run things.
Car: Engenieering. Depends on the Engenieers and how much money to spend.
Strategy: how many pit stops, when to go in thepit, how much fuel, what tyres, push hard 1st part and then idle out, push hard all the way, etc etc...
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 08, 2005, 11:48 AM
well then renault obviously planned well!
Erind
Oct 08, 2005, 11:53 AM
well then renault obviously planned well!
Yes they planned for all of their history in F1. They could tell the future that the new regulations would be in their favor, so they made their car in such manners. Since day one they had the less downforce, no wear tyres, less speed car.
Mopar68
Oct 08, 2005, 1:42 PM
well then renault obviously planned well!
They did. I've heard rumors that the FIA and renault conspired to bend the rules in Renaults favor. I don't think that was the case at all. The fact of the matter is, Renault had a realiable car. They made a very good, solid car that was easy on the tires. The drivers may not have been the fastest, but they certianly knew how to be modest. Sometimes that's what counts in formula 1 racing.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 08, 2005, 1:47 PM
exactly...otherwise they wouldn't have won
dpala1
Oct 09, 2005, 5:54 AM
Thats stupid....he won, therefore he is good, people souldnt question if he is worthy. The only reason i can think of questioning an athelete in the same position is Barry Bonds.
Metallica Forever
Oct 10, 2005, 10:39 AM
Someone is jz being bias LOL.He can't except the fact that Alonso is a good drivier.Hey Erind.Grow up.If you think he sucks,than I believe something must be wrong with your brains.Go consult a doctor.
Nemphis
Oct 12, 2005, 2:37 PM
Renault good strategy ? I don't think so they were lucky this championship and so was Alonso he is crap he was only gud bcus his car was reliable and decently fast! U look @ David Coulthard he is a gud F1 driver but he is doing crap @ the mo cus he isn't in a fast car ! , McClaren will dominate the 2006 championship without a doubt !
lamborghini's are german
Oct 17, 2005, 5:42 PM
the new regulations are total BS. if the races were decided by who had more skills then Kimi would have won. He is a better driver than Alonso, but the Renault was made more reliable. Prior to the regulation change the races were decided by who could drive their car the best. now it's decided by which team could conform to the rules the fastest.
Vesiot
Oct 17, 2005, 6:11 PM
So, before the rule change, if you had a car that could do one lap in 10 seconds, and then barely be able to move after that one lap, you would win? I don't think so. Alonso is a very good driver, in a very good car, on a very good team, with a very good teammate. Thats why he won, because of that combination. Mclaren didn't have that, they had two drivers who were very often fighting each other for positions, and a fast, but fragile car.
Erind
Oct 17, 2005, 7:10 PM
FERNANDO AGAIN!!!!
hes st00pid, ignorant, gay.
boooooooooooooooo
Vesiot
Oct 17, 2005, 9:18 PM
Its pretty obvious you're ignorant, stupid, and probably gay.
Erind
Oct 17, 2005, 9:35 PM
Its pretty obvious you're ignorant, stupid, and probably gay.
yeah, definetly not. its not only me who hates alonso, a lot do. hes really arrogant. why? he won a f1 championship? buddy, schumacher has been winning since I was born. He still goes and shakes his competition's hand. Alonso is too cool. he is #1. bow down to Alonso.
Vesiot
Oct 17, 2005, 9:54 PM
I've never really seen Alonso be arrogant, and Schumacher is VERY arrogant. And you may not like Alonso, fine thats your opinion, but just saying he's "St00pid, ignorant, and gay" without any kind of evidence, is just childish.
Erind
Oct 17, 2005, 10:02 PM
I am very sorry, and I do stay responsible for my words. I was just frusterated. People say he is great. Tell me one thing he has done great? Renault has done great, and the unluck of others has worked toward his better luck.
I never saw him do any great things. Hakkinen did great things. Alonso on the other hand just hung in there, until Kimi got in an accident, or until engines would break.
Anyway, cheers Alonso. Looking forward to seeing how it goes next year. Hope F1 drops its new regulations, so Alonso ends up with two 7th places, and the rest towards the end of the list...
Also, I heard that F1 was dropping the engines, putting new rules up that required teams to drop a bit over 200hp as a result of some changes in the engine... anyone has more info?
Mopar68
Oct 18, 2005, 12:20 PM
Erind, quit while you're behind. You're giving a bad name to Team McLaren Mercedes fans everywhere.
Jeez, since when did you become such a little girl? Crying when you don't get what you want. Damn.
Erind
Oct 18, 2005, 3:02 PM
I am a McLaren Fan? LOL.
Ferrari fan since a little kid! I just respect other teams as well, in particular McLaren, since it was part of the few teams that made F1 great, and gave that extra suspense when Schumacher dominated.
Cooper "s"
Oct 18, 2005, 4:22 PM
Renault has always been a great team as well, they dominated 3 championships in a row, and one under Villeneuve who cant drive even if he had too.
kinche
Oct 19, 2005, 12:43 PM
y not he worked so hard
lamborghini's are german
Oct 19, 2005, 4:33 PM
Renault has always been a great team as well, they dominated 3 championships in a row, and one under Villeneuve who cant drive even if he had too.
That's not true. He did outdrive Schumi.
Erind
Oct 19, 2005, 4:57 PM
Villnevue did have his time. Now he is left in the shadows.
Cooper "s"
Oct 19, 2005, 6:13 PM
its not like he outdrove schumi he had a faster car and schumachaer was eliminated from the competition for attempting to "spear" villeneuve.
Coops
Oct 19, 2005, 6:28 PM
Alonso deserved to win because he had the most points
Erind
Oct 19, 2005, 6:35 PM
points=sh*t.
I remember like 2000, people would get a lot of disqualifications. this was the time when new cars were introduced, and people were getting busted for having a wing .01mm higher, .01mm longer and bs like that. So people who didn't deserve to get the points did.
Anyway, if someone wins, congrats. Nothing we can do about it. Alonso won, congrats. Villnevue won, congrats. IDC how they won, as long as they put the championship in their pocket.
Alonso is just not one of my favourites. In fact, Vitantonio Liuzzi is greater IMO than Alonso. I hate him.
Mopar68
Oct 19, 2005, 9:20 PM
its not like he outdrove schumi he had a faster car and schumachaer was eliminated from the competition for attempting to "spear" villeneuve.
He did spear villineueve. It wasn't like it was the first race in the season. It was the championship chinching race. Schumacher was stubborn, tried taking out Villineuve, failed and lost. Simple as that. Villineueve out drove him, and that's that.
mhb_ferrari
Oct 19, 2005, 10:01 PM
he got about 8 points compeletly by chanse and kimi lost 20 and juan 10 so if he was not so lucky no the youngest world champion & no constructor champion for renault & at lost in this season championship should be for mercedess because of their right an i remember this point that i'm a FERRARI fan!!!
Mopar68
Oct 20, 2005, 10:32 AM
I feel bad for everyone that backed Ferrari. Boy, did you guys bet on the wrong horse.
CarRocker
Oct 20, 2005, 12:41 PM
I feel bad for everyone that backed Ferrari. Boy, did you guys bet on the wrong horse.
......:( .....
Just wait for next year. The Scuderia will be back!!
Erind
Oct 20, 2005, 4:11 PM
Feel bad for backing ferrari? ha!
Should I have backed Renault? They appeared all of a sudden. like BAM. last year alonso was shyt, and still is. he just won a championship so now people consider him Alonso the Great.
Mopar68
Oct 20, 2005, 7:39 PM
Feel bad for backing ferrari? ha!
Should I have backed Renault? They appeared all of a sudden. like BAM. last year alonso was shyt, and still is. he just won a championship so now people consider him Alonso the Great.
You are the definition of sore loser.
Erind
Oct 20, 2005, 8:57 PM
You are the definition of sore loser.
I did not know being a fan of someting would make me a sore loser. If I knew you would have said that, I am sure I would have been a fan of Renault, for all of my life.
CarRocker
Oct 21, 2005, 4:38 AM
You are the definition of sore loser.
Couldnt have said it better. I mean, I dont like Alonso or Mr. Briatore.
But they did a good job, and Alonso is a good driver. I mean, he already won a grand prix two years ago(Hungary 2003). And since the team is completely from Renault, they've been in the top 4 of the constructors championship every year.
So Erind, stop that Alonso bashing campaign please. Nobody wants to hear it...:rolleyes:
Mopar68
Oct 21, 2005, 10:19 AM
Every driver since the dawn of F1 who has won a championship derserved it. It's hard to disagree with that statement.
Erind
Oct 21, 2005, 8:49 PM
They all have deserved it. If you remember (if you have read my arguments to Alonso), I said "don't get me wrong, he still deserved it".
I still stand with my words, he deserved it. I just don't see the big deal about Alonso winning? He is from renault? Renault always stuck along the top with the best teams. He is the youngest? So? Tyson was the youngest champion, no one mentios him now. It was not just Alonso's skill(s). It all came to contribute to his advantage. All the unlucky races for Kimi, Montoya, and the rest of the competition sure contributed. It could have been at some point the driver's fault (pushing too hard), but it is not like they just started to. They did it since they came to F1, and they didn't have as many problems.
Again, yes, Alonso deserved it. Yes he won the championship and yes he is the youngest to do so. Anything else special? There is always next season.
Mopar68
Oct 21, 2005, 10:35 PM
You really need to stop putting luck into the equation. Everything happens for a reason.
Erind
Oct 21, 2005, 10:39 PM
Why don't I win the lotto? there is a reason? what's the reason? I'm Albanian?
Top Secret
Oct 21, 2005, 11:38 PM
There is a reason: You didn't pick the correct numbers.
Car_buff
Oct 21, 2005, 11:39 PM
if he won the race fair and square, he deserved it. if he cheated or had some advantage over the other racers, he doesnt deserve it. end of story
Erind
Oct 22, 2005, 9:17 AM
if he won the race fair and square, he deserved it. if he cheated or had some advantage over the other racers, he doesnt deserve it. end of story
Good end. That is what we are arguing about. Some say he won because he is oh so skilled, the rest, like me, say that he won due to many reasons.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Oct 23, 2005, 6:23 PM
This is about a week late but whatever
i want to say that i'am glad Renault won. it gives McLaren the chance to build and improve and it gives all the teams new hope that Ferrari haven't won again. Renault have been extremely consistent throughout picking up the points and even though they haven't had the fastest car...reliability counts too. therefore i think everyone has to give it up to Renault however much luck they think was/wasn't involved
Mopar68
Oct 23, 2005, 7:51 PM
Why don't I win the lotto? there is a reason? what's the reason? I'm Albanian?
Why did you mention the lotto? Did I say anything about the lottery? I'm talking about racing, and racing only.
Tom Kristensen
Oct 24, 2005, 1:20 PM
He deserved it actually. i'm a Kimi fan, but it is damn impressive how a 24 year old, can drive better than a DTM driver with 20 years expirience.
Steve
Oct 25, 2005, 9:41 PM
I watch most of the F1 races this year and Alonso won them fairly, so obviosly he deserves to be world champion. And theres no arguement worth arguing against it.
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