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Dutchmarshall
Dec 03, 2003, 2:28 PM
I read this in magazine :
the new Ford GT is going to be the Second Ferrari beater,
they gonna build 4500 Ford GTs and they gonna send just 100 to europe, while in europe already more then 1100 people have Orderd one :?

Specs
engine: aluminum V8 whit 4 valves per cilinder.500 BHP

transmission: rear wheel drive, 6 gearbox

Topspeed: 300KMH
0-100KMH 3,8 Seconds
0-160KMH 8.0 seconds
brake 100-0KMH 32 Meter
http://www.car-data.com/photos.previews/p.ford.gt40.25.jpg

jimkk29
Dec 03, 2003, 4:10 PM
Dude this is old news.

agitatedcorn
Dec 03, 2003, 4:27 PM
Dude this is old news.
yeah and the 0-100 is just about half a second faster... those stats are outdated... sorry thanks anyways...

BluCamSS
Dec 03, 2003, 9:22 PM
$150,000 for a Ford, NO THANKS.

agitatedcorn
Dec 03, 2003, 9:57 PM
$150,000 for a Ford, NO THANKS.

$800,000 for an Enzo or any car... no thanks...

BluCamSS
Dec 03, 2003, 10:08 PM
$150,000 for a Ford, NO THANKS.

$800,000 for an Enzo or any car... no thanks...


First off it is about $700,000 :-) and a Ferrari full of technology.
And all 399 were sold BEFORE they made them, and more people
wanted one. I am from the USA, drive a American car, BUT a $150,000 Ford
that I have to have serviced at a pos Ford dealership is a JOKE!!!!

Plus the design is from the 60's....wow that was creative. If you want a American car
that performs big time buy a $80,000 Viper and match the rip-off Fords performance!!!!

Attaus
Dec 03, 2003, 10:12 PM
Dude, a seat on the Enzo costs 20k. ONE seat. Isn't there a better way to spend ur money then to pay 700k on a car? The reason that they all sold was because it was a limited number and it is a Ferrari. People just want the premium of the brand. I bet you all the people that bought the car didn't know the first thing about the features on it. Its just another toy. The ford is not really a luxury toy. But i admit its not a great car either.

BluCamSS
Dec 03, 2003, 11:11 PM
Dude, a seat on the Enzo costs 20k. ONE seat. Isn't there a better way to spend ur money then to pay 700k on a car? The reason that they all sold was because it was a limited number and it is a Ferrari. People just want the premium of the brand. I bet you all the people that bought the car didn't know the first thing about the features on it. Its just another toy. The ford is not really a luxury toy. But i admit its not a great car either.

Thats not true, you HAD to own a previous Ferrari to even be CONSIDERED to get one.
So most owners are enthusists!


Lets get back to the topic here, the Ford GT.

Max Powers
Dec 03, 2003, 11:17 PM
Its a nice car but Id take the new Viper GTS when they come out over the Ford.

BluCamSS
Dec 03, 2003, 11:47 PM
Its a nice car but Id take the new Viper GTS when they come out over the Ford.

Are they making a new coupe?

Dutchmarshall
Dec 04, 2003, 7:36 AM
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, lol didnt know that it was old news :? just read it and thought it was pritty new 8)
but anyway, was a nice try right :P
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Dutchmarshall
Dec 04, 2003, 7:38 AM
Its a nice car but Id take the new Viper GTS when they come out over the Ford.

Are they making a new coupe?

this is about the new Viper SRT-10
Look here for pictures:
http://www.sportscarforums.com/showthread.php?t=521

( lol, my topic to, but this was no old news :lol: LOL )

Max Powers
Dec 04, 2003, 11:23 AM
No thats not the Viper I was talking about the one in jimkk29 avatar.
Should be out in 3 years I guess.

BluCamSS
Dec 04, 2003, 11:56 AM
No thats not the Viper I was talking about the one in jimkk29 avatar.
Should be out in 3 years I guess.


The one in his avatar is the concept car, and its basically the Competition Coupe which is out, and a race car. I havn't heard about a SRT-10 Coupe though? Humm.

Max Powers
Dec 04, 2003, 1:18 PM
No thats not the Viper I was talking about the one in jimkk29 avatar.
Should be out in 3 years I guess.


The one in his avatar is the concept car, and its basically the Competition Coupe which is out, and a race car. I havn't heard about a SRT-10 Coupe though? Humm.

Well I want that one then :)

agitatedcorn
Dec 04, 2003, 5:01 PM
$150,000 for a Ford, NO THANKS.

$800,000 for an Enzo or any car... no thanks...


First off it is about $700,000 :-) and a Ferrari full of technology.
And all 399 were sold BEFORE they made them, and more people
wanted one. I am from the USA, drive a American car, BUT a $150,000 Ford
that I have to have serviced at a pos Ford dealership is a JOKE!!!!

Plus the design is from the 60's....wow that was creative. If you want a American car
that performs big time buy a $80,000 Viper and match the rip-off Fords performance!!!!

First off: I was talking Canadian money... the Ford GT is cheaper here and so is the Enzo (if you compare the dollars) but also the Ford GT decreases percentage-wise in Canada more than the Enzo. i.e: in Canadian, the Enzo costs 800,000 and the Ford GT costs between 150,000 and 180,000... if you want to figure that out in American, just multiply the Canadian digits by 0.7 that will give you a pretty good estimate. By the way, both the American and Canadian dollar have been going down for the last year or two, just the American dollar is going down much faster, so it used to be about .65...

jimkk29
Dec 04, 2003, 5:30 PM
No thats not the Viper I was talking about the one in jimkk29 avatar.
Should be out in 3 years I guess.
The one in his avatar is the concept car, and its basically the Competition Coupe which is out, and a race car. I havn't heard about a SRT-10 Coupe though? Humm.
Well I want that one then :)
Guys: the one in my avatar is the Viper GTS-R concept. Check here for nice pics: http://www.highresautoimages.com/1280/dodge/gtsrconcept.html

Raith83
Dec 04, 2003, 5:40 PM
BluCamSS neeeeeeds to lay off. you're talking as if this is some run of the mill Ford, as if they aren't being hand built, and if somehow they aren't worth 150,000. the GT is a Mid engine mounted car that has a very small availability but a large demand. this means higher price. Der, ya Economics flunky. It's getting the SAME power as the Vipers V-10, so you have a lighter powerplant that is positioned better than the Vipers. Seriously, if Kia made some sort of super car, they definitly wouldn't use the same methods as their mass production models, so this equals better build quality than normal. Same goes for Ford. this isn't one of their mass production untis, so the quality will beTHAT much better. Stop being a stupid ignorant Anti-Ford biggot and get with the program. I really dislike say, the Monte Carlo SS and it's crap ass engineering, but this same company makes the best, affordable supercar, the Z06. You can't judge a company on it's mass production models. When we find out how the GT compares with the likes of Ferarri's you will be crying yourself to sleep because it will be better or so close, that it makes them not seem worth their insane price tags.

BluCamSS
Dec 04, 2003, 5:41 PM
$150,000 for a Ford, NO THANKS.

$800,000 for an Enzo or any car... no thanks...


First off it is about $700,000 :-) and a Ferrari full of technology.
And all 399 were sold BEFORE they made them, and more people
wanted one. I am from the USA, drive a American car, BUT a $150,000 Ford
that I have to have serviced at a pos Ford dealership is a JOKE!!!!

Plus the design is from the 60's....wow that was creative. If you want a American car
that performs big time buy a $80,000 Viper and match the rip-off Fords performance!!!!

First off: I was talking Canadian money... the Ford GT is cheaper here and so is the Enzo (if you compare the dollars) but also the Ford GT decreases percentage-wise in Canada more than the Enzo. i.e: in Canadian, the Enzo costs 800,000 and the Ford GT costs between 150,000 and 180,000... if you want to figure that out in American, just multiply the Canadian digits by 0.7 that will give you a pretty good estimate. By the way, both the American and Canadian dollar have been going down for the last year or two, just the American dollar is going down much faster, so it used to be about .65...


How was I supposed to know you meant Canadian money????
Anyway who cares lol. All I know is the Enzo Ferrari is about
$700,000, and worth every cent lol!

Anyway, back to the topic at hand here, the Ford GT.

Evo_power
Dec 05, 2003, 9:34 PM
First off I'd like to say that Raith83 is a badass and I agree with everything he says, Next, I would like to say that the Ford GT outperforms the FERRARI 360 Modena. So a big dumb Ford beat it. It also beat the brand new Lamborghini Galliardo. So thats two over priced Euro cars that an American handed their asses too. Now compare the price, all the European cars can say is "Fuc|<, I cost too much". Also, putting the god damn Enzo against the GT is totally unfair. Its honestly like saying that a Corvette is better then a Geo. NO ****! The Enzo only costs 700,000 dollars! ( On a side note, not everyone who owns one is a true car savy enthusist. Tommy Hilfiger bought one and was complaining about the way the windows rolled up and down.) If you want to put it to a real test, compair it to something more up to par, like the Koiensegg CC, the Zonda C12 S, or the Saleen S7( both being several hundred thousands of dollars cheaper), or the ultimate supercar, the McLaren F1. The McLaren is faster anyway. Take that Ferrari boys! :twisted: For how much the Enzo costs, there are several cars out there that are maybe .1 seconds from being better. But you're all right, I guess .1 second is worth $300,000 :roll:

Ghalos
Dec 05, 2003, 10:09 PM
Damn, couldn't have said it better myself, and WTF...ENZO VERSUS GT?!

SMOKE ANOTHER!

BluCamSS
Dec 05, 2003, 10:19 PM
First off I'd like to say that Raith83 is a badass and I agree with everything he says, Next, I would like to say that the Ford GT outperforms the FERRARI 360 Modena. So a big dumb Ford beat it. It also beat the brand new Lamborghini Galliardo. So thats two over priced Euro cars that an American handed their asses too. Now compare the price, all the European cars can say is "Fuc|<, I cost too much". Also, putting the god damn Enzo against the GT is totally unfair. Its honestly like saying that a Corvette is better then a Geo. NO [censored]! The Enzo only costs 700,000 dollars! ( On a side note, not everyone who owns one is a true car savy enthusist. Tommy Hilfiger bought one and was complaining about the way the windows rolled up and down.) If you want to put it to a real test, compair it to something more up to par, like the Koiensegg CC, the Zonda C12 S, or the Saleen S7( both being several hundred thousands of dollars cheaper), or the ultimate supercar, the McLaren F1. The McLaren is faster anyway. Take that Ferrari boys! :twisted: For how much the Enzo costs, there are several cars out there that are maybe .1 seconds from being better. But you're all right, I guess .1 second is worth $300,000 :roll:

You need to get your facts correct buddy. The McLaren has a little more top speed (maybe) then the Enzo Ferrari but thats it, the Enzo Ferrari is quicker, handles WAY better and brakes WAY better. And the Ford GT is a nice car, but still a Ford. And yeah I hope it is made better then other Fords, but ya know what, come service time you still have to bring it to a crappy Ford dealership, and most if not all of them suck.

BluCamSS
Dec 05, 2003, 10:26 PM
BluCamSS neeeeeeds to lay off. you're talking as if this is some run of the mill Ford, as if they aren't being hand built, and if somehow they aren't worth 150,000. the GT is a Mid engine mounted car that has a very small availability but a large demand. this means higher price. Der, ya Economics flunky. It's getting the SAME power as the Vipers V-10, so you have a lighter powerplant that is positioned better than the Vipers. Seriously, if Kia made some sort of super car, they definitly wouldn't use the same methods as their mass production models, so this equals better build quality than normal. Same goes for Ford. this isn't one of their mass production untis, so the quality will beTHAT much better. Stop being a stupid ignorant Anti-Ford biggot and get with the program. I really dislike say, the Monte Carlo SS and it's crap ass engineering, but this same company makes the best, affordable supercar, the Z06. You can't judge a company on it's mass production models. When we find out how the GT compares with the likes of Ferarri's you will be crying yourself to sleep because it will be better or so close, that it makes them not seem worth their insane price tags.

Ha, it is NOT being handbuilt at all dude. And If I want a American 500 horsepower machine I'll by a new Viper, be just as quick as a GT and look better doing it.

Evo_power
Dec 06, 2003, 3:45 AM
Yeah dude, your right, if I had a car that cost me over a hundred thousand dollars, I would just take it to Local Joes Ford dealship to get it fixed. In case you did'nt notice, I live in America, I can EASILY find ONE damn dealership that would be qualified to fix it. While a guy who owns an Enzo however would have to ship it all the way back to Italy. And I especially like how you completely blew over all my other points that I made that totally blew you out of the water in buying a car that costs 700,000 dollars. I say the Enzo is **** because I will never own one. So therefore, I dont care about it. A car that is more to my liking is something like the Viper-GTS, or the Ford GT because maybe if I become really rich I could buy one. Keep in mind I do most definitly respect the fact that the Enzo is an extremly high performance car. But sence I dont own a race track, and I dont think running from the police is a good idea, I would never need it, and neither would you. I'd rather buy something with a little more practical with the money I did'nt spend in buying a GT, like lets say a huge damn house, or lets say, a Leer jet!

jimkk29
Dec 06, 2003, 10:03 AM
But sence I dont own a race track, and I dont think running from the police is a good idea, I would never need it, and neither would you. I'd rather buy something with a little more practical with the money I did'nt spend in buying a GT, like lets say a huge damn house, or lets say, a Leer jet!
LOL LOL LOL man I totally agree with this!

Btw, I'd like to make a note: the Ford GT might be considerably cheaper than the 360 in the US, but, trust me, there is a BIG chance that it might end up being actually more expensive than the 360 in Europe, when all shipping fees and taxes are taken into consideration. To be honest, I'm pretty sure of that.

BluCamSS
Dec 06, 2003, 11:36 AM
Yeah dude, your right, if I had a car that cost me over a hundred thousand dollars, I would just take it to Local Joes Ford dealship to get it fixed. In case you did'nt notice, I live in America, I can EASILY find ONE damn dealership that would be qualified to fix it. While a guy who owns an Enzo however would have to ship it all the way back to Italy. And I especially like how you completely blew over all my other points that I made that totally blew you out of the water in buying a car that costs 700,000 dollars. I say the Enzo is [censored] because I will never own one. So therefore, I dont care about it. A car that is more to my liking is something like the Viper-GTS, or the Ford GT because maybe if I become really rich I could buy one. Keep in mind I do most definitly respect the fact that the Enzo is an extremly high performance car. But sence I dont own a race track, and I dont think running from the police is a good idea, I would never need it, and neither would you. I'd rather buy something with a little more practical with the money I did'nt spend in buying a GT, like lets say a huge damn house, or lets say, a Leer jet!

Dude get a clue, you don't have to ship it to Italy lol. And your reasons for not wanting a supercar are funny. There are Ferrari Dealerships with fully trianed technicians in most states. And as far as the Ford, you HAVE to go to a Ford dealership to have warranty work done, you can't go to a local mom and pop shop! I mean please, you kidding me? I have owned/know people that own/owned Fords and so on, read online and you will see how shitty there service is. And that is where you have to bring you GT to!

BluCamSS
Dec 06, 2003, 11:39 AM
But sence I dont own a race track, and I dont think running from the police is a good idea, I would never need it, and neither would you. I'd rather buy something with a little more practical with the money I did'nt spend in buying a GT, like lets say a huge damn house, or lets say, a Leer jet!
LOL LOL LOL man I totally agree with this!

Btw, I'd like to make a note: the Ford GT might be considerably cheaper than the 360 in the US, but, trust me, there is a BIG chance that it might end up being actually more expensive than the 360 in Europe, when all shipping fees and taxes are taken into consideration. To be honest, I'm pretty sure of that.


Whats with all the price difference talk? The Ferrari Challange Stradale and the Ford GT are with in what $20,000! If you can afford one you can afford the other. And yeah I am sure the Ford will be more due to shipping in Europe maybe. And I also am sure that the Ford service is WORSE in Europe lol.

jimkk29
Dec 07, 2003, 9:58 AM
And I also am sure that the Ford service is WORSE in Europe lol.
?????
You couldn't possibly know that. Also depends on the country.

BluCamSS
Dec 07, 2003, 11:58 AM
And I also am sure that the Ford service is WORSE in Europe lol.
?????
You couldn't possibly know that. Also depends on the country.

Well I read in Wards Auto World that they are having problems in Germany and England.
So thats not good for Ford service now is it? And in America it SUCKS big time.

Evo_power
Dec 07, 2003, 3:05 PM
Before I bought my Evo, I had a used Ford Cosworth Escort that I got from Europe. Keep in mind that I think that car is badass. I never had any problems taking it into the Ford dealership and getting fixed. And I had to get it fixed alot because I was a retarded driver and drove the living piss out of it. Anyway, even with a car that isnt even avaliable to the states, they were still very knowledgable and could fix any of my problems. And sence odds are you've never even owned a Ford in your intire life, I can discredit everything you have to say about the maintenence.

FR500
Dec 07, 2003, 4:02 PM
BluCamSS neeeeeeds to lay off. you're talking as if this is some run of the mill Ford, as if they aren't being hand built, and if somehow they aren't worth 150,000. the GT is a Mid engine mounted car that has a very small availability but a large demand. this means higher price. Der, ya Economics flunky. It's getting the SAME power as the Vipers V-10, so you have a lighter powerplant that is positioned better than the Vipers. Seriously, if Kia made some sort of super car, they definitly wouldn't use the same methods as their mass production models, so this equals better build quality than normal. Same goes for Ford. this isn't one of their mass production untis, so the quality will beTHAT much better. Stop being a stupid ignorant Anti-Ford biggot and get with the program. I really dislike say, the Monte Carlo SS and it's crap ass engineering, but this same company makes the best, affordable supercar, the Z06. You can't judge a company on it's mass production models. When we find out how the GT compares with the likes of Ferarri's you will be crying yourself to sleep because it will be better or so close, that it makes them not seem worth their insane price tags.

Way to speak man

BluCamSS
Dec 07, 2003, 5:48 PM
Before I bought my Evo, I had a used Ford Cosworth Escort that I got from Europe. Keep in mind that I think that car is badass. I never had any problems taking it into the Ford dealership and getting fixed. And I had to get it fixed alot because I was a retarded driver and drove the living piss out of it. Anyway, even with a car that isnt even avaliable to the states, they were still very knowledgable and could fix any of my problems. And sence odds are you've never even owned a Ford in your intire life, I can discredit everything you have to say about the maintenence.

I've owned three Fords, all sucked, and I had to deal with horrible service here in the states.
I had a '98 Mustang, '91 Probe and a '87 Mustang. I will NEVER buy another Ford again. No wonder why J.D. Power survey says they suck, cause they do!

Zenon
Dec 07, 2003, 6:28 PM
I have to agree here, if I had $150,000 to spend on a sports car it sure as heck wouldn't be a Ford. I along with my wife have had 6 of them. Every single one has many problems and all the local dealerships were terrible. If I had that kind of dough I would by a Ferrari or maybe a Porsche.

BluCamSS
Dec 07, 2003, 6:48 PM
I have to agree here, if I had $150,000 to spend on a sports car it sure as heck wouldn't be a Ford. I along with my wife have had 6 of them. Every single one has many problems and all the local dealerships were terrible. If I had that kind of dough I would by a Ferrari or maybe a Porsche.

Humm that sounds familar, I've been down that road.

slowfiveoh
Dec 14, 2003, 3:59 PM
Let me go ahead and shed a little light here. For one, as with any freakin car ever manufactured Ford certainly has had its ***** runs with particular vehicles. So has ANY manufacturer. Speaking from my own personal experience I have owned several Fords, included but not l limited to , a 85 Ford F150 300k miles on it and still going strong on the stock 300-6, 86 Ford Mustang GT 300K miles only maintenance issues were two fuel pumps. I had the car from 72,000 miles on it. 87 Escort GT with more then 300k miles on it (odo broke after its third roll :lol: ) , which was the only car to have a major problem. Engine caught fire on the freeway, was walking away from it to watch the fireworks when it mysteriously went out (no &$!@ either). Went back to the car and the damn thing started. And yes I drove it home. Had to replace the wire harness. Apparently that WAS a known problem with those cars. My current car is a 90 Ford Mustang 5.0 GT. It runs awesome. No problems, and I spank tons of german cars over here on the autobahns. Not bad for a crusty, outdated Ford right?
Another thing. For the camaro guy, I work on my own cars. Even the GT I would probably wrench on myself. I would rather work on pretty much any 90+ ford then ANY 3rd or 4th gen Fbody. Ever do a plug change on a 4th gen Camaro or TA? Talk about a 1 1/2 hour nightmare. cylinders 4 and 8 sit behind the firewall concave and access to the plugs comes through underneath the fenders. Plugs on my car and any newer Ford are much simpler. 15-20 minutes tops. Thats just a small thing too. In general maintenance on those GM cars is HORRIBLE. As far as the GT goes. Its not based off the original GT numbnuts. Its a totally new design and features a very common dohc ford modular mill. With a standard Eaton screw type supercharger. In fact im betting there are pulleys out there already for that supercharger to bring boost up for less then 100 bucks. Need proof? Look at the 2003 Cobra. Simple pulley swaps have netted dyno pulls of more then 430 rwhp. I am pretty sure the same will apply to the GT. So that enzo may be a great car, and im sure it is. But start looking for aftermarket parts to make it better andim sure you wont come up with anything. For 150,000 that GT is pretty hardcore as it is,and the scary part is, it has room to get much better. Thats all I got. Take it and run with it.

BluCamSS
Dec 14, 2003, 5:16 PM
Let me go ahead and shed a little light here. For one, as with any freakin car ever manufactured Ford certainly has had its ***** runs with particular vehicles. So has ANY manufacturer. Speaking from my own personal experience I have owned several Fords, included but not l limited to , a 85 Ford F150 300k miles on it and still going strong on the stock 300-6, 86 Ford Mustang GT 300K miles only maintenance issues were two fuel pumps. I had the car from 72,000 miles on it. 87 Escort GT with more then 300k miles on it (odo broke after its third roll :lol: ) , which was the only car to have a major problem. Engine caught fire on the freeway, was walking away from it to watch the fireworks when it mysteriously went out (no &$!@ either). Went back to the car and the damn thing started. And yes I drove it home. Had to replace the wire harness. Apparently that WAS a known problem with those cars. My current car is a 90 Ford Mustang 5.0 GT. It runs awesome. No problems, and I spank tons of german cars over here on the autobahns. Not bad for a crusty, outdated Ford right?
Another thing. For the camaro guy, I work on my own cars. Even the GT I would probably wrench on myself. I would rather work on pretty much any 90+ ford then ANY 3rd or 4th gen Fbody. Ever do a plug change on a 4th gen Camaro or TA? Talk about a 1 1/2 hour nightmare. cylinders 4 and 8 sit behind the firewall concave and access to the plugs comes through underneath the fenders. Plugs on my car and any newer Ford are much simpler. 15-20 minutes tops. Thats just a small thing too. In general maintenance on those GM cars is HORRIBLE. As far as the GT goes. Its not based off the original GT numbnuts. Its a totally new design and features a very common dohc ford modular mill. With a standard Eaton screw type supercharger. In fact im betting there are pulleys out there already for that supercharger to bring boost up for less then 100 bucks. Need proof? Look at the 2003 Cobra. Simple pulley swaps have netted dyno pulls of more then 430 rwhp. I am pretty sure the same will apply to the GT. So that enzo may be a great car, and im sure it is. But start looking for aftermarket parts to make it better andim sure you wont come up with anything. For 150,000 that GT is pretty hardcore as it is,and the scary part is, it has room to get much better. Thats all I got. Take it and run with it.


First off that fire must have been scary! Damn.......
Anyway one of my cars is a 2000 Camaro SS, plugs aren't easy....but there not as bad as you say. There is a tool made to get to those back plugs. I have long tube headers on there now and it is cakel lol! Also in '98 the cars got coil packs, makes changing wires cake, and helps with the plugs....

slowfiveoh
Dec 16, 2003, 2:58 PM
Heh thanks. Im not an Fbody buff. I know more then the average joe of course but only because you keep "tabs" on what you consider to be your primary competition. I have a few friends with fbods. One with a LT1 car and the other with a LS1 car. I have a lot of import (meaning primarily japanese) knowledge due to me tuning them for a while. Especially sube EJ's, and hondas. I just hope to offer a diverse look to most people as a lot of people consider themselves true auto enthusiasts but couldnt tell you the first thing about a car they're dogging. Iknowwhen I looked at my buddies LT1 car the headers were so close to the firewall and the plug on either side in the rear was one hell of a hassle to get too. With equal length shorties I'd imagine that gets really stupid. I could see how longtubes would help.

Mustang Lover
Dec 25, 2003, 2:50 AM
HELL YEAH!! THIS FORD GT40 WILL DEFFINATELY KILL THE DODGE VIPERS AND THE CORVETTES :lol: :D 8)
I AM A FORD GUY :lol: