Link:http://www.worldcarfans.com/109122123651/ford-focus-rs-hits-401hp-with-mcchips-help

Here you go.


German tuner Mcchip has extended the power and torque band provided by the Ford (http://www.worldcarfans.com/109122123651/ford-focus-rs-hits-401hp-with-mcchips-help#) Focus RS to the extreme. The standard front-wheel-drive RS already gives a good 224kW (305hp) and 440Nm of torque through its 6-speed manual gearbox.
Mcchip engineers have sought to increase this substantially via two stages of tuning. The first involves only the remapping of control software for a hike of 30kW to 254kW (345hp). Newton metres go up to 520Nm. No 0 - 100km/h figures were supplied but top speed is rated at 271km/h.
Power stage 2 sees the inclusion of an enhanced intercooler, special spark plugs, more engine electronics modifications, a sports exhaust system and a new inlet manifold. These actions take matters to 295kW (401hp) and maximum torque of 612Nm. Peak velocity grows slightly to 278km/h (173mph). Power stage 1 costs €799 while Power stage 2 will set you back €4,499.
By making all these changes Mcchip believes it has created not just a significant speed machine but also a useable everyday sports car.
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Hurrah for torque steer

I'd rather get a WRX STi than pay for this whole kit

I don't think I could put my trust in a company that names itself after a Happy Meal item.

And can someone please explain how the hell 412HP and 612Nm is meant to be tamed by the same wheels that do the steering? The standard RS already has pretty strong torque steer, so surely this is just going to be worse?

Actually, the standard RS has virtually no torque steer because of the revo-knuckle design of the front suspension. This increase in power might hinder the effectiveness of the revo however.

96 horsepower for $6,500? Meh, not bad.

At what point does it become crazy for front-wheel-drive cars to have this much horsepower? 401? Holy cow!

But the question is, is 401 horsepower really effective on a FWD setup?

Actually, the standard RS has virtually no torque steer because of the revo-knuckle design of the front suspension.Well, they've got you sold. Supposedly it helps, though...

Well, despite all the hype that surrounds RevoKnuckle – a system that allows MacPherson strut suspension to behave with the purity of a multi-link set-up – we can conclusively report that this car does torque steer. It’s not chaotic like the Mk1 Focus RS could be, but the steering wheel will firm up noticeably under hard acceleration and the wheels scrabble for grip in the lower gears – the ESP system allowing the driver to dictate when power should be cut in most situations, rather than cutting in early and spoiling the fun.

A disappointment, perhaps, but then what did we expect with 301bhp going through the front wheels? It also adds that boisterous edge (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-RS-2009-CAR-review/#) that we’ve come to expect from RS products.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-RS-2009-CAR-review/

I'll pass...

So that has about the same power as this, more torque though:
http://www.zeckhausen.com/images/Product_icons/M5.JPG

On the front wheels.
That's not a sports car anymore, it's just a straight line car. It will understeer too much.

^^it will understeer if you wanted too...its all on your right foot pal. obviously you wont use all 401hp until your in a straight line...

mmm not interested at all, give me a stock rs, enough fun for me.

^^it will understeer if you wanted too...its all on your right foot pal. obviously you wont use all 401hp until your in a straight line...
... because unlike a RWD car, pressing the pedal will send you into a tree.

So it might not have that much torque steer, which I highly doubt but, there has got to be no traction what so ever on this car. I could just imagin trying to get off a light and ever single time you would be peeling the wheels because you have 400 freaking hp to wheels that cannot be wider than I dare say 245. What a waste of a project, they shoud of made it rear wheel drive and added a V8 and call it a day.

Hurrah for torque steer

Damned straight.

Shove a Skittle up your tailpipe and smoke it.

Ford Euro FTMFW.

Well, they've got you sold. Supposedly it helps, though...

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-RS-2009-CAR-review/

I'll pass...

Yeah it still torque steers pretty badly, and what they don't tell you is that Renault were doing the same thing on their megane years before, it's just that they didn't make out like it was a massive breakthrough and give it a swanky title.

This is precisely why this car will never be as much of a landmark as the likes of the escos, the only limit on that is the size of your wallet as far as modifications go but this will always be limited by a compromised drivetrain.

Well, shouldn't all FWD cars have at least some torque steer, compared to, say a RWD or AWD car?

Look at all the Honda Type-R cars, most of them have less than 150lb-ft of torque, yet they still manage to understeer just a little bit.

Why's that?

^Which is why 400hp driving the wheels that also steer the car is bad.

If Ford made this AWD this would be the best ford ever made. I really like the styling and the power that the car has. I HATE the FWD though.

If Ford made this RWD this would be the best ford ever made. I really like the styling and the power that the car has. I HATE the FWD though.
That sounds about right.

Nope. The best Ford ever made will always be a Mustang.

That sounds about right.

Subaru has my AWD obsessed lol RWD is awesome too.

Nope. The best Ford ever made will always be a Mustang.

Ok the 5.0 mustangs (old and the coming 5.0) might be better. The GT40 and GT are probably up there too.

Nope. The best Ford ever made will always be a Mustang.
Ample examples of disagreement, primarily the GT40.

http://old.commanderbond.net/resources/sections/news/images/4515_bradley_second_unit_director/ford_gt40.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/g/n/1986_ford_sierra_cosworth.jpg
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/medium/group-b-rally-cars-the-killer-b-s-medium_5.jpg
http://image.europeancarweb.com/f/17005248/epcp_0901_09_z+1996_ford_escort_rs_coswo rth+side.jpg

The Ford GT is cool, but:
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/new_and_future_cars/2008/7789595+w440/0711_01z+2008_ford_shelby_GT500_super_sn ake+exterior_view.jpg
http://www.mustangtech.org/members/svtvenm-albums-03-04-mustang-cobra-terminators-picture21-sonic-blue-svt-mustang-cobra.jpg
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200511/2000-ford-mustang-cobra-r_460x0w.jpg
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/5-0l-tech/4686d1088691804-differences-between-1988-mustang-gt-1993-mustang-cobra-cobra.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Integra1/67GT500.jpg
http://www.sevenmile.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/boss302.jpg
http://snag.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/pj-mustang-53_450.jpg

The Mustang is by far the greatest Ford of all time. It's the most versatile, most iconic, most capable, and offers the most for the money. It's also the most attractive (sans the very expensive Ford GT), and has one of the top best sounding engine notes in the history of the automobile.

Ford Escort, lol no.

The Mustang is by far the greatest Ford of all time. It's the most versatile, most iconic, most capable, and offers the most for the money. It's also the most attractive (sans the very expensive Ford GT), and has one of the top best sounding engine notes in the history of the automobile.

Ford Escort, lol no.

Greatest, I don't know about that. One of the longest living and most common among car enthusiasts and owners, yes. I guess the GT and the Mustang are just judged differently. The GT also has a very iconic background, with more performance. The Mustang has lived longer and has always been a favorite for everyone (including myself and my obsession with the Foxbody). Performance wise I think the GT is probably the greatest, for versatility, practicality and most attractive, the Mustang would win.

Ford GT and GT40= Performance King
Ford Mustang= Everything else.
Ford Focus RS= One hell of a cool car.

What a waste of a project, they shoud of made it rear wheel drive and added a V8 and call it a day.

That sounds about right.
Have you seen vids of Foci with the V8 RWD conversion?

Because of it having such a short wheelbase, it becomes an extremely squirrely car that is more of a novelty than anything else.

I'd wrestle with torque-steer as opposed to severe over-steer any day.

Yeah, I'd rather see the tree I am going to understeer into than not seeing the tree I am going to oversteer back into.

:)

Yeah, I'd rather see the tree I am going to understeer into than not seeing the tree I am going to oversteer back into.

:)

http://plaza.ufl.edu/mujahid/hand/hm-understeer.jpg

:D

Have you seen vids of Foci with the V8 RWD conversion?

Because of it having such a short wheelbase, it becomes an extremely squirrely car that is more of a novelty than anything else.

I'd wrestle with torque-steer as opposed to severe over-steer any day.
Obviously i was referring to the car being made a RWD one in the first place, that including whatever it takes to make it handle properly of course. I did not say that with FWD -> RWD conversion in mind. I however do see your point even though i don't agree with it. If that's the case, if the FWD is alright, what was wrong with the original 300bhp in the first place?
My primary suggestion was that 400bhp is far too much for the front wheels to handle no matter what kind of differential and suspension it has.

At what point does it become crazy for front-wheel-drive cars to have this much horsepower? 401? Holy cow!

lol a friend of mine has a 700 wheel hp fwd Jetta! It runs 9's :D

i love the GT40, but the fact that it is sooo damn rare, and hard to obtain...
makes me like the stang a bit more..

as for the Cossi/rs.. Lol no..Stang>them

Well, shouldn't all FWD cars have at least some torque steer, compared to, say a RWD or AWD car?

Look at all the Honda Type-R cars, most of them have less than 150lb-ft of torque, yet they still manage to understeer just a little bit.

Why's that?

Understeer can be built into the chassis.

You can eliminate it by changing the suspension set up (camber / toe / ride height).

Or you can just not go into the turn too fast. <--- By far and away the best way to can understeer.

Or you can just not go into the turn too fast. <--- By far and away the best way to can understeer.Except FWD cars have understeer issues upon exiting the turns.

Except FWD cars have understeer issues upon exiting the turns.

Right. :o Modulate the throttle then or give it the beans when you're going completely straight.

slow in fast out...that's the correct answer jared.

slow in fast out...

Your mom taught me that one. :D

so you're fast out? that's sad.

so you're fast out? that's sad.

You turned that one around on me...

Just like i turned around clutch's mother.

Just like i turned around clutch's mother.

After you were finished to find out it was his father.

^ You just crossed the line. We here at SCF drew the line at Clutch's mom.

http://www.mechanicshub.com/images/fbfiles//images/Red_Forman.jpg

Asshats.

Except for Jareds informative post, this whole page is a waste.

And 400 hp for a RS is just stupid. Its not a F1 car, its a hatchback. Why on earth does it need 400 hp? ...

Tesla, BS... Mine was informative...

Except for Jareds informative post, this whole page is a waste.

And 400 hp for a RS is just stupid. Its not a F1 car, its a hatchback. Why on earth does it need 400 hp? ...Dude, shut up. You just regurgitated that which has already been stated.

Except for Jareds informative post, this whole page is a waste.
Then stay out of it.

And 400 hp for a RS is just stupid. Its not a F1 car, its a hatchback. Why on earth does it need 400 hp? ...
It doesn't need 400 hp. But the correct question to ask is not why, but why not?

Dude, shut up.
There. That is much more succinct and to-the-point.

^ You just crossed the line. We here at SCF drew the line at Clutch's mom.


Sorry MillmAn I will remember that next time.

Sorry MillmAn I will remember that next time.
Apologize to Clutch, not me.

:D

Except for Jareds informative post, this whole page is a waste.

And 400 hp for a RS is just stupid. Its not a F1 car, its a hatchback. Why on earth does it need 400 hp? ...

A waste ?

Spoken like a true enthusiast... Why does any car need more than 100hp ? They don't, it's just fun.

It's not even that big a difference over standard.

Well, they've got you sold. Supposedly it helps, though...

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-RS-2009-CAR-review/

I'll pass...

Does it constitute proper torque steer though? I got the impression torque steer was dictated by a tendency to veer to one side, however slight - firming of the steering wheel hardly sounds significant enough?

I like how they say "a 300HP FWD car is unheard of"

all that went through my mind was Skittle and Caliber

Does it constitute proper torque steer though? I got the impression torque steer was dictated by a tendency to veer to one side, however slight - firming of the steering wheel hardly sounds significant enough?

Check this out at about 1.40 or so... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GCT2zHKi_0

As you can see it still has significant torque steer. Not as bad as if it didn't have all that redigned suspension etc but still fairly bad.

lsd,
but a decent lsd in, not factory crap.
i.e. there are a few different types and factory ones are the worse type. might not fix it but it helps

lsd,
but a decent lsd in, not factory crap.
i.e. there are a few different types and factory ones are the worse type. might not fix it but it helps


Factory crap ? The one in this standard is basically a quaife atb... Which is pretty much the best around, and is the same design as the peloquin one. Plus they developed it specifically for this car, so I highly doubt you're gonna get better on the aftermarket. Unless you've got something against torsen and prefer conventional lsd's.

I can see this car ploughing someone into a river eventually...