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gabi
Jan 26, 2005, 11:38 AM
For the moment gas is the most used fuel, but I saw a Ford Boss that can also run on methanol and geting more power that useing gas and also the polution is not so big.
In the future is very posible to not use any more pertol and gas, and go with methanol , hydrogen or something else.
For the moment hydrogen car are not so performant, but i think this is just because a lot of people get a lot of money from petrol buisness but Hydrogen is very powerful so with some more reserch cars could get bether performance with Hydrogen.

So what's the future fuel?

And if you know, can you tell me how can i modify a car to use methanol, and where can i buy it (methanol)?

Joso
Jan 26, 2005, 12:10 PM
If im not mistaken, almost every taxi and bus of spain works with methanol. Here you must be a taxi driver to get some of this gas. BTW, even if you could buy it, modify your car that way is something that don't worth it. You better wait to buy a hydrogen powered car when they are reliable.

CarRocker
Jan 26, 2005, 1:42 PM
Hydrogen has the future, the cars driving on hydrogen are already becoming more powerfull(e.g.BMW H2r). But the best is the combination of a hydrogen engine with an electric engine, the so called fuel cells.
Another advantage is that you can use a normal petrol engine. No modifications are needed.
I think that we're driving with hydrogen in ~10 years.

Kirstyn
Jan 26, 2005, 1:47 PM
I thought that petrol and gas were the same thing...

Scooby
Jan 26, 2005, 2:37 PM
If you are asking for future fuel, so sure nothing oil based. If my information are correct, in a few decades we are run-out of oil. So, wouldn't be great, if the small city and long distance "boring" cars would run on electric or hydrogen or something and save the oil for sport cars?

But it was amazing to see how a man from BMW drunk water coming from the exhaust of 760i based hydrogen concept car.

12 inch pianist
Jan 27, 2005, 3:29 AM
Methanol and LPG are the picks but people think they lose power because they don't up the compression when they both produce equal power to petrol but use a little more (which is cancelled out because they cost half as much). LPG is great because it doesn't dirty the cars insides and metho only produces water as exaust.

gabi
Jan 27, 2005, 4:20 AM
Iike i was thinking hydrogen is on first place.
I think thet the Hydrogen with electric engine also (fuel cel) will be the future source of energy.
So everything that we know about cars will bea history in the near future?
So sad.
But we need to evoluate didn't we?:)

CarRocker
Jan 27, 2005, 9:12 AM
So everything that we know about cars will bea history in the near future? So sad.
But we need to evoluate didn't we?:)

What do you mean with that?

gabi
Jan 27, 2005, 9:30 AM
What do you mean with that?

That cars like we know them we'll bea history.

jimkk29
Jan 28, 2005, 7:29 AM
Petrol will end sometime... and then we will have a huge problem.

By "gas" you mean natural gas right? It's the same as methanol, I believe. Most buses in Athens use natural gas now. It's clean (exhaust = pure water) and can give quite the power. I can see the future in it.

Hydrogen is another good option, but it still to evolve alot, because there are many problems with transporting and storing the hydrogen. It is also dangerous if you crash.

Now, an option that none of you mentioned... Electrical vehicles!!
They present many advantages: very silent, powerful, don't need a gearbox, very high reliability, zero emissions, etc...
But one major problem: power requirements (i.e. they make very few km on the batteries).
Which means that they must actually improve the technology of the batteries. If that is done, the future will belong to the electric cars.

12 inch pianist
Jan 28, 2005, 7:39 AM
The best way to run an electric comes from trains.
They have a turbine running all the time to give immense power to a small surply of batteries powering an eletric engine, much lighter than normal systems carrying 100s of kilos of batteries.

gabi
Jan 28, 2005, 7:43 AM
Petrol will end sometime... and then we will have a huge problem.

By "gas" you mean natural gas right? It's the same as methanol, I believe. Most buses in Athens use natural gas now. It's clean (exhaust = pure water) and can give quite the power. I can see the future in it.

Hydrogen is another good option, but it still to evolve alot, because there are many problems with transporting and storing the hydrogen. It is also dangerous if you crash.

Now, an option that none of you mentioned... Electrical vehicles!!
They present many advantages: very silent, powerful, don't need a gearbox, very high reliability, zero emissions, etc...
But one major problem: power requirements (i.e. they make very few km on the batteries).
Which means that they must actually improve the technology of the batteries. If that is done, the future will belong to the electric cars.

The fuel cell (electricity from Hydrogen) could bea the future source of enery. Even in cell phones. I think that the electrical engines are mouch bether that internal explosion ones. And them can bea realy performant as well. I saw a crazy guy on Discovery that modify a old car, put a electric engine on it and was faster that a Corvete. 0-60 under 3 s. Realy nice. And he build it at home. The problem is that it takes a lot of time to refuel. But the hidrogen could bea the answer.

jimkk29
Jan 28, 2005, 8:41 AM
The best way to run an electric comes from trains.
They have a turbine running all the time to give immense power to a small surply of batteries powering an eletric engine, much lighter than normal systems carrying 100s of kilos of batteries.
That could be a good idea, but would be of no use to cars. Emissions would still be a great problem.

Haha, an idea... what about nuclear cars?? :p

gabi
Jan 28, 2005, 8:44 AM
Haha, an idea... what about nuclear cars?? :p

This way we could also have free energy in the house non stop :D

12 inch pianist
Jan 28, 2005, 8:46 AM
That could be a good idea, but would be of no use to cars. Emissions would still be a great problem.

Haha, an idea... what about nuclear cars?? :p
Turbines can run on methonol, problem solved. How is it no use to cars, its a more powerful and lighter idea then any other electric car i know.

jimkk29
Jan 28, 2005, 9:18 AM
Well, I haven't thought about it... I will let you know if I find something interesting.

Joso
Jan 28, 2005, 11:06 AM
If you want a really economical and zero emisions car... buy a pedals car xD Or at least you can get rid of the floor of your car and run it like in The Flintstones.

gabi
Jan 28, 2005, 11:48 AM
If you want a really economical and zero emisions car... buy a pedals car xD Or at least you can get rid of the floor of your car and run it like in The Flintstones.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LooooooooooooooooollllllllLLLLLLLLLLLLLl llllll
:D

Well it's not just like that. If is posible to get good performance with low emision why not ? :confused:

Anyway ... god one.:D