( first i hope u will understand my writting couse there are somewords i dont really know how to write , sorry )

each year there isa competition called engine of the year ..
it started in 1999 till now ...
in the last 3 years ..BMW took most of the prizes , for example in 2002 she won the best engine for the 4.4 liter engine volvetronic ! and another 4 prizes the best engine in the range of 2.5 till 3 liter and the best between 3 til 4 liter and above 4 liter engines ...
but this year for the first time honda took the most awards over BMW ...

honda won 4 prizes :
the best economic fuel engine ..
best 1 till 1.4 liter engine the hybrid 1.3 liter engine of the civic IMA
best 1.8 til 2 liter engine . the 2 liter engine in the S2000
and the below 1 liter engine in the hybird insite ...

the BMW won the 3 big size engines prizes :
the 2 till 2.5 liter prize for the 2.5 liter engine in the Z4
the 3 till 4 liter engine prize for the 3.2 liter engine from the M3
and the 1.6 liter turbo charhed from the mini cooper S who won the 1.4 till 1,8 liter prize.

the preformance engine prize went to the mercedes V8 engine from the 55 and the SL , E,S and CL that was developed with the help of AMG .


but the award winning ENGINE of the year ...took ...the rotoric engine of the new mazda RX8 the engines name as it is called the rensis won with a total of 316 points and he beaten the VW 10V diesel engine , which won the over 4 liter engine prize and the thirdplace went to the M3 engine ...

the winners from the beginning of the compatition :
1999 : toyota yaris 1 liter engine
2000 : honda 1 liter engine in the insite
2001 : BMW's 3.2 liter engine in the M3
2002 : BMW's 4.4 liter volvetronic engine from the 7 series and the X5

the preformance engine prize went to the mercedes V8 engine from the 55 and the SL , E,S and CL that was developed with the help of AMG .

yeah i said that ini a previous post....
Mercedes have some great new engines...

ALthough as shown in F1, I still prefer BMW's - dont know why, I just always have.

Although for modifications, has to be the 'cossie' 8)

for me i will always say BMW Rules ,

but hay i cant say Merc's engine isn't the best ... informations and test talks~!!!!

any ways u can see that honda is a great engine manufactor....
and thats a Fact that everybody should know , specially Japanees haters!!!

BMW M3 3.2 lt. Nothing more, nothing less!

I think I can speak for all when i say that the best all around engine of the year is the 5.7 liter HEMI V-8 from chysler. If only they put it in a car (hint hint!).

u can speak for urself , and i respect it ....
but honestly i dont like american engines... big liters small hp ...
so i will be fair with u ... give me some more information about this engine ...
but my personal favorite is the 5.4 liter from the 750 iL BMW....
lets see if u can change my mind ...!

I was just kidding when i said I was speaking for everyone. Seriously though, the hemi is the best engine ever. Think about this. How long has the Bimmer engine you like been around? Probaly not as long as the Hemi. A stout 50+ years. Thats the thing i like about the HEMI. Chysler has taken a good idea and stuck with it. 50 some years ago, they came up with the idea of hemi spherical cylinder heads. This insreased the compersion in the cylinder chamber and boosting horsepower. I don't know a whole lot about the new hemi. I know it's 5.7 liters, 375hp, iron block and aluminum cylinder heads. I think it has an 8:1 compresion ratio, but i could be wrong. Even though this seems like a big engine, it's nothing compared to the 426 street hemi. I think it's about 7 liters. It was said to have 425hp, but it was really dynoed at 575+hp (this was due to insurance reasons). The hemi is the most innovative engine ever in my opinion. Lets take the chevy 454. A larger engine, but only 400 somehting hp. The 427 cobra jet was powerful, but was only dynoed at about 500+, and this was more expensive than the hemi option. Now, chevy made a LZ1 engine. This was extemly powerful, rated at 600+ hp, but the option was only installed on 50 camaros and 2 corvettes (one of which is still around). This made the engine option more expensive than the cars. The cars brand new were about $7,500 (the vette was way more, like the $10,000's). This may seem like a bargin, but in 1969, it was about $100,000+. Most exotics weren't worth that much. And the HEMI has lasting value, as you know. That 1 corvette is worth over $300,000+, but a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda, 1 of about 9 made, is worth about $600,000-$1,000,000!

So, case in point, the Hemi is certainly not the most powerful engine anymore. You can get some turbocharged rice-raockets for a couple grand less than the Hemi truck. But just remember it's history. It has been known as an inexpansive yet powerful engine and always will be. It has been very induvidual, and very reliable, and always will be. And the best reason of all, the sound. A new hemi might sound tame now, but a 426 is the best sounding engine ever made.

Dude the M3(E46) and the I-Vtec from the Honda S2000 have the best analogy hp/ltrs. Very stable, don't break, superb sound and the most of all they'r small compared to 5.0 and 6.0 ltrs that Americans have.

i agree with u ..
but Mopar68 was talking about a classic... a 50 year old engine as i understood ...
i was never interested in american cars or engines .. couse from the ones we have in our country the pretty suck...
although .. i dont know much about other cars that cant be bough in here ...
i never heard about this Hemi ...but at least u got me interested ..
ill check it out ...

Yeah Hemi is a classic Big Block V8 engine. Kinda old though...

Whoa, you haven't heard of the 426 Street HEMI? Were do you live? Certainly not america I hope. Yes, the Hemi was an excellent engine and never really broke down. But it had a tendincy to be finicky. Other more solid engines from chysler are the 440 magnum and the 383. Very good, solid engines. I thin kthey are even more reliable than those v-tec engines. You also got the famous 454, 427, 396 and the most popular, the 350 smallblock. The 350 smallblock is qutie possibly the most adaptable engine ever made. It's used to pump out horsepower ranging from a modest 325 to the awe inspiring 700+, without a turbo or supercharger.

The most important thing about these engine is that they were extremely simple to maintain. Todays engines are great, but they require alot of skill to take apart an engine and put it back together again nowadays. In the sixties, there wer no plastic dress up items in the engine bay, just good old glistening iron.

have any of u guys heard of the chevy cate engine that is a 572 ci i think?
i heard it pumps out around 650 + but i think its more in the 700's can anyone clarify that for me please?

i assume you mean chevy crate engine!

Anyway, there is a ZZ572,
and there was 2 versions, the 620BHP one, and the 720BHP one.

OK, three of the best engines ever created are (random order):

1. Honda S2000 (2lt, 240PS --> 120 PS/lt)
2. BMW M3 (3,2lt, 343PS --> 107 PS/lt)
3. Ferrari Enzo (6lt, 660PS --> 110PS/lt)

All three are normally aspirated, without stupid turbos or superchargers... 8)

I definetly agree with the M3 engine - pure quality.

But when it comes to supercars - i think alot of credit should go to Bugatti's W16 with four turbo chargers. Its not easy making something like that semi economically and reliably.

I definetly agree with the M3 engine - pure quality.

But when it comes to supercars - i think alot of credit should go to Bugatti's W16 with four turbo chargers. Its not easy making something like that semi economically and reliably.
True, but remember that the figure PS/lt of the Bugatti engine is not so impressive, when you take into consideration that it's 8000cc and it has 4 turbochargers... I'm a fan of pure engines.

the turbo gives you some joy .. when the turbo comes to action its great :wink:

Anyway, I've never driven a turbo car... It might give you some joy but I believe that it's not really good for the life span of the engine, nor for the fuel consumption... :roll:

Definitely for the second. Especially in Hellas. :evil:

Yeah, the HEMI was/ is a great engine. The 426 kicked ass big time. Im not so sure about the new HEMI though. The thing is, yes, the US engines are huge but b/c we have the gas to burn. It is an easy way to create HP. Also, many engines that were put in the old cars had conservative numbers. They usually put out way more power and torque than the manufacturer stated for insurance purposes.(Like Mopar said) One thing is that many Europeans dont understand about the large engines is their capability to produce lots of HP. Yeah, a big block Chevy motor cranking out only 500 Hp compared to its 5.7 to 7 Liter displacement doesnt seem like much. But it is purely untapped. Here is something to consider. Top Fuel dragsters. These cars travel 300+ MPH in the 1/4. They produce 1,000 Hp per cylinder! Now...a big block motor putting out 8,000 Hp! And yes...these are your Chevy, Ford, and HEMI motors. With nitrous alone, a big block motor can produce 1800 Hp, be dependable and last a long time. But for an everyday street car this is not practical obviously.

Top fuel dragsters don't use nitrous oxide. They use nitro methane/ gasoline fuel.

Top fuel dragsters don't use nitrous oxide. They use nitro methane/ gasoline fuel.

I didnt say a top fuel dragster...just a big block gasoline engine using Nitrous ( no supercharger, turbos) can produce 1800 Hp. That Yenko Camaro I saw was the one. Im not sure if Top Fuel cars use Nitrous or not.

I'm just saying. Thats kind of unbelievable that a Yenko Camaro can push out 1800hp with just nitrous. A Yenko stock might push out 600hp on a good day. I read that, without major modification, nitrous could boost a V-8 +200hp. So how could this Camaro produce 1800hp! He must of put a supercherger on it or he must have put in a bigger engine. Maybe he increased the bore?

Yeah, it was bored to like 600+ cu in. and had two huge carbs on it. They ran a crap load of nitrous on it b/c the motor was bullitproof.

They must be using some extreme nitrous to make it go to 1800hp, but i can belive it.

How about the HKS drag Supra. With a lexus 4.3L V8 (2/3 the capacity of the engines your discussing), this thing produces over 1500HP with only Twin Turbo's. No Nitrous.

In regards to turbo reliability, the stuff you are saying (no reliability etc), is true for old 1980's turbocharged cars, however since the 90's Japan has been producing turbo charged cars with solid reliability (example, Twin Turbo Supra, good for 600+HP with stock internals, Nissan GTR). Advacned turbo design such as ball bearings, oil cooled etc, have produced faultless turbo's for years. Why do SAAB, Volvo, Ford, Subaru, Nissan, Toyota, Dodge (neon Sr-4 or something), Vauxhall, Seat, etc etc all have turbocharged versions available, with the usual factory warranties. Ive never seen a nitrous produced factory car? why is that??

Best engines in the world are the ones listed, thats why they won ^_^.

Your discussion on an engine 50 years old (post WWII - what were we driving then compared to today?) in the world's best egnine topic displays the usual american attitude towards technology, and development. Get over it. It was a good idea back then, however development should continue.

You don't see factory nitrous kits b/c it's illegal :evil: (at least here in the states). If your're seen wid it, you'll be kindly pulled over by the cops.

P.S. by the way, by saying an engine is bulletproof, is the engine literally what bulletproof means, or is there a special meaning?

i think nitrous is cheap and is just something that messes up ur engine. If ur gonna race then race fair not using some **** that gives u an edge use ur driving skills not some stupid crap.

The argument has already been made why big displacement engines are good. Its not to knock other guys designs or what they like so there is no reason to be on the defensive. It is all subjective to fuel consumption, reliability, how much money one has to spend, and simplicity vs. complexity. And that varies widely depending on where you live and what is available to you as a consumer.
The term "bulletproof" simply means the engine was built from the bottom up to be completely tough. An engine than can run a lot of nitrous on it and not be affected has to be made with top grade materials.
Nitrous isnt cheating. If you are racing at a track with other guys chances are :wink: they are running nitrous too. :idea: Thats why we divide the cars into classes so no one has an unfair advantage.

I prefer small displacement NA engines (6 cylinder or 8 cylinder at the most, MAX 4lt) with a high ratio of PS/lt.

look i'm lost i'm not gonna read everithing but for what i see my opinion is the mustang cobra 93 5.0 was a great engine and the mustang cobra 2003 is really good and has a good engine run like as f.... but thats my opinion now i have a mustang and a evo but i dont like the evo to much is a small engine i like something big :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 8) 8) 8) :D :D :D :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'd first like to thank ozman and shanemb3. If you somehow fused both of thier posts together, you would get something that I would have written :) Though I am more on the side of high performance engines of a smaller size. The technology and enginnering is a good deal more advanced than usual "bigger is better" American thought towards internal combustion engines. If you can radically improve the output vs displacement to something more reminicent of an S2000s power system, you can pat yourself on the back for a hella good engine. Albeit the fuel economy isn't anything of the Toyota Echo or it's stable mates Insights, it isn't a concern of the more serious automotive enthusiest I believe. I am also going to mention a very sexy engine, Nissans/Infiniti's VQ. It definitly cranks out the power and is what I see as one of the best six cylinders ever....ever!

:twisted: Good drivers tip #78 on Stop Signs if no-one else if even close "no cop, no stop" :twisted:

This is pretty off topic, but i just wanted to post this. A friend gave me this website and it proves that bigger engines have the same efficancy as 4 cylinder engines.

http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/no-scale-c.htm

I too prefer smaller displacement engines supplimented with boost and other goodies. Thats b/c I happen to like the smaller, lighter weight, cars. But I do understand why people go for the "Big Boys" as well. I just like to rib the guys a little. I think the Supra has one of the best engines made. Its a medium size, light weight, tuff 6-cyl that can produce lots of HP. More power than a street car will ever need. There's no need to go bigger. But since I cant afford a Supra, Im going with a Nissan Silvia for my personal usage.

Sorry for getting some of you boys so revved up. Its all good!!!

This is very interesting, I think it has other applications to toher forums as well. American vs. well, it's usually everyone else. Come on Dodge! Get off your asses! BMW is throwing down the gauntlet in two thatusand and five. for ~80 thousand US dollars you can get yourself a V-10 M5 or a V-10 Viper(if the price stas the same)

03 Dodge Viper SRT-10: V-10, 8.3-liters, 500 hp/525lbft of torque, curb weight is 3350 lbs

05 BMW M5: V-10, 5.5-liters, 500-550hp, curb weight will be 3700 or less

I have eighty thousand clams in my pocket. Impracticle two seater or Bimmer crafted four door with equal, possibly more power, from almost 3 whole less liters(=better fuel milage). Hmmmm, whats the Big Ram gonna do? I know, I know, diffrent applications, but it comes down to engineering I think. Whats the other guy doing so wrong as to not be getting the best performance out of X amount of displacement? Someone tell me!

BMW probably makes some of the best engines ever. Thats not disputed. Im sure that this new BMW will be bad ass. But Im sure if Dodge wanted to it could keep up a game of leapfrog to play along with the BMW. But Viper competes mostly with the Vette I think.
I dont think the Viper will change any in leu of the BMW's debut. Although, the new Ford GTO is looking VERY promising. Anyone check out the frame on that bad boy? Also, take a look at the test results in the "what do you guys think" thread. The Viper put up very impressive results. I was surprised.

Yeah, the Viper is totally meant to just pummel the Vette, which is kinda sad :twisted: I'm just kinda thinking that the big bad snake isn't gonna do as well in the World market with its current tech. I hope it holds true for all car companies to start kickign thier R and D deparments into high gear to raise the bar.