had a crash yesterday........ i was going around a corner near my house, on my way home, and as i was going round the front end just lost all grip, understeering like ive never felt before (it was really greasy, too)....... straight into a barrier, the car rolled over. a write-off no doubt.....

im fine but my car is absolutely f*cked.... how am i going to get to work every day :(:(:(:(:(:(:(

i cant believe it. a woman that came out said that area is a real accident hotspot, and that i am the 8th (yes 8th) person to do that this month!!!! oh why :(

ill try and get some pictures of the car if i can....

Im sorry to hear about that man but it looks like your going back to the bus again lol

Sucks man, but look at the bright side, you won't pay gas

Instead you'll pay repairs though

^ a bus to work 16 miles away? :|

Yeah why not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwyCoQuhUNA

That sucks. What kind of car is it?

^ wow u were nice for once pal! ha... :D

it's a Renault Clio. it did well in the crash, but still my car is gone and that's that........ and now my insurance company will hate me..... i am well and truly buggered :(

Look on the bright side. Once it's written off you can say "I don't drive a french car"

Its people like you that make my insurance high!

nah only joking :p

That's just bad luck, understeer is a b*tch, it comes in when you least expect it and then is damn hard to recover from, at least you were in safe car and came out not seriously injured.

I feel sorry for you too, your insurance is going to be a killer if/when you get a replacement car.

I thought you had a Fiesta? Either way that does blow. Good luck with getting a new car/insurance. Will they cut you some slack due to the bad conditions (ie, not as much your fault) or will it be the same as if you hit a pole at 100 in the dry?

Thats what happens when u drive like a ****.

You can't write things like that ^ and then make a whole thread to complain about people's attitude and the atmosphere.

Although he was probably going way too fast.

If you understeer you are ussually going to fast.

But on the bright side, I saved $125 a month on my insurance by switching to a different provider. And its better coverage than what I had previously had!

andways. sorry bout your car brah

You can't write things like that ^ and then make a whole thread to complain about people's attitude and the atmosphere.

Although he was probably going way too fast.

You cannot understeer and roll a car over doing the speed limit and driving sensibly. Even if it was a country road and a 60mph limit he should have the sense to drive safely.

Im glad he didnt hurt anybody else but thats about it.

feel sorry for u pal...seems to be u either dont know what to do with under or oversteer or ur mind blocked up for that moment...i know that it is hard to have a good reaction in that moment but some others can...all u needed to do was handbrake or tap the brakes without lifting the gas...if u did though u REAAALLLYYYYY lost gripp...too bad..what car is it?

I feel sorry for you! But won't the insurance pay for the car?
About the place were you had the accident you should tell some one in charge to check it out may be it was built unsafe or the place is haunted or some thing?:p

I'm happy to be a teen who on record has never had any accidents, :p

and what, it's not like that bush is gonna sue me

sucks dude, clios are bad ass, and your insurance is gonna hate you now. have fun with that. ows the bus system in england?

^ wow u were nice for once pal! ha... :D

it's a Renault Clio. it did well in the crash, but still my car is gone and that's that........ and now my insurance company will hate me..... i am well and truly buggered :(

feel sorry for u pal...seems to be u either dont know what to do with under or oversteer or ur mind blocked up for that moment...i know that it is hard to have a good reaction in that moment but some others can...all u needed to do was handbrake or tap the brakes without lifting the gas...if u did though u REAAALLLYYYYY lost gripp...too bad..what car is it?


Anyway, regardless of wether you were driving like a hooligan or not, I'm glad you didn't get injured. I think everybody deserves at least one chance to learn the hard way.

About transportation... I assume you had bare-bones coverage on that car. If not, check your policy and see if they will provide a rental.

I feel your pain man. I lost control of my new bike and crashed today because of understeering too... I was a little too aggressive with the front brake on some loose gravel! lol

So I went down after three days of owning my new bike... That's a pretty good start - you can't call yourself a biker unless you've been down at least once.

I'm sorry to hear about your car though. Both me and my lil bike Emma survived the crash without any noticeable damage. My mom had to help me get 'er up from the ground again though...that was friggin' embarrassing.

Im sorry to hear about that man but it looks like your going back to the bus again lol
:lol:


Frewin, it seems taht you were going too fast. Understeer happens when you're cornering a corner too fast. I have experienced understeer a little with my dad;s Fiat Punto 1.2L.

I was cornering at a right turn when i noticed that the front were going straight. Thanks god i touched the brake pedal a little and the car changed direction immediately. You can control understeer with the gas and brake pedal..

It's pity mate! I can feel you!

I feel your pain man. I lost control of my new bike and crashed today because of understeering too... I was a little too aggressive with the front brake on some loose gravel! lol

So I went down after three days of owning my new bike... That's a pretty good start - you can't call yourself a biker unless you've been down at least once.

I'm sorry to hear about your car though. Both me and my lil bike Emma survived the crash without any noticeable damage. My mom had to help me get 'er up from the ground again though...that was friggin' embarrassing.

I do not care what the DMV book says. keep your hand off that front brake when traction is a concern. You can control the rear end sliding, but when the front end slides, you are going down.......

I do not care what the DMV book says. keep your hand off that front brake when traction is a concern. You can control the rear end sliding, but when the front end slides, you are going down.......


not always, I've found that if the front end slides you can accelerate out of it (in a rwd at least)

Look on the bright side. Once it's written off you can say "I don't drive a french car"
maybe he likes his french car, sorry frewin

Sorry to hear about that Frewin. I'm going to get learners permit as soon as I turn 15... Hopefully, that doesn't happen to me...:|

not always, I've found that if the front end slides you can accelerate out of it (in a rwd at least)

He was talking about on a bike.

I'm sorry to hear that man. Good that nobody was hurt. It's true that the Insurance will be a pain in the *** now, but that's something you'll have to live with. Glad you're fine.

I feel your pain man. I lost control of my new bike and crashed today because of understeering too... I was a little too aggressive with the front brake on some loose gravel! lol

So I went down after three days of owning my new bike... That's a pretty good start - you can't call yourself a biker unless you've been down at least once.

I'm sorry to hear about your car though. Both me and my lil bike Emma survived the crash without any noticeable damage. My mom had to help me get 'er up from the ground again though...that was friggin' embarrassing.


I'm sorry for you too. And by the way, Isn't your dog named Emma too?!

Nope thats his girlfriend or is she both? lol

He was talking about on a bike.


oh, I missed that, lol

well, in that case I wouldn't know ****. I'm currently still too poor to afford bike licensing let alone buying one. but soon enough, soon enough

Look on the bright side. Once it's written off you can say "I don't drive a french car"

haha...... hey come on man it aint that bad! it was a good little car.

Its people like you that make my insurance high!

nah only joking :p

That's just bad luck, understeer is a b*tch, it comes in when you least expect it and then is damn hard to recover from, at least you were in safe car and came out not seriously injured.

I feel sorry for you too, your insurance is going to be a killer if/when you get a replacement car.

no, its true, it is! although i didnt mean it... :|

i nearly recovered from it (using that word sparingly)... i know that the best way to control understeer is to take your foot straight off the accelerator, DONT brake and straighten up as much as you can. i did that, and it started to grip just that little bit more and actually turn, although by then the barrier was like 4-5 metres from me........ so i was f*cked big time. i hit the barrier side-on, though, so i avoided a huge head-on collision which would've been much, much worse for both us and the car.

I thought you had a Fiesta? Either way that does blow. Good luck with getting a new car/insurance. Will they cut you some slack due to the bad conditions (ie, not as much your fault) or will it be the same as if you hit a pole at 100 in the dry?

i used to drive a Fiesta.

my insurance wont be affected (at leasst by much) after all, cause i aint claiming. although ive just lost thousands of pounds on the spot, its better than claiming and having to pay stupid-high premiums for the next 2-3 years!

Thats what happens when u drive like a ****.

there's always one isnt there. and oh that one's always you.

i wasnt driving like a '****', for your information...... im not one that participates in all this stupid driving

You can't write things like that ^ and then make a whole thread to complain about people's attitude and the atmosphere.

Although he was probably going way too fast.

so true..... that's skyline though for you, he can dish it out but cant take it.

and if you call doing 30-35 in a 40 zone fast, then okay.

maybe it was too fast for the conditions (well, not maybe, it obviously was), but it seemed reasonable to me, and ive been down that road so many times in my life - my house was literally 100 metres up the road, so close! there must be a patch of diesel on the road or something, because that really shouldnt have happened. ive never felt anything like it

You cannot understeer and roll a car over doing the speed limit and driving sensibly. Even if it was a country road and a 60mph limit he should have the sense to drive safely.

Im glad he didnt hurt anybody else but thats about it.

hey, smartarse, i didnt f*cking roll it because of the speed, i rolled it because the barrier i hit was already bent, i drove up it and reached a stupid angle before my car eventually tipped over. think about what you're saying before what actually happened please????????

feel sorry for u pal...seems to be u either dont know what to do with under or oversteer or ur mind blocked up for that moment...i know that it is hard to have a good reaction in that moment but some others can...all u needed to do was handbrake or tap the brakes without lifting the gas...if u did though u REAAALLLYYYYY lost gripp...too bad..what car is it?

mate, braking is the WORST thing you can do, because then you lose even more steering...... e.g. go in a straight line, brake hard and try to steer. it doesnt happen, especially if you dont have ABS........

and yes, i did really badly lose grip, i was basically going in a straight line. never felt anything like it

edit: oh, and did i forget to mention that the exact same thing has happened to 8 people in the last 2 months on that road in wet conditions??

You were driving too fast for the conditions so you were driving like a ****.

And what do you mean how i cant take anything back??? please go ahead, fire away.

You were driving too fast for the conditions so you were driving like a ****.

And what do you mean how i cant take anything back??? please go ahead, fire away.

and in those same conditions ive driven at that exact same speed many times before, so no, i werent driving like a whatever that word is. there's a difference between driving like a '****' and driving normally, but not expecting something. i somehow think i was doing the latter...

well the fact that you moan about people being arseholes, and then you are one about proves it, no???

You messed up and as long as you learns from his mistake thats what matters.

Hate to be the bad guy... But..

LOL... Wouldn't have happened in a honda.

i will bloody learn...... drive like a 90 year old granny in the wet from now on!!! :(

Ok i apologise i presumed u were driving like a **** like most people your age do when they have an accident.

Ok i apologise i presumed u were driving like a **** like most people your age do when they have an accident.

no problem bro... but im not one of those drivers you see speeding around. yeah, on the motorway i might do 80 rather than 70, but im not one that starts going way too fast around corners and all that..... it aint worth it

I do not care what the DMV book says. keep your hand off that front brake when traction is a concern. You can control the rear end sliding, but when the front end slides, you are going down.......My rear brake is really ineffective, and the surface was going downhill. At the end of the gravel road there was a country road which I would've stopped on the middle of if I had only used the rear brake... I was screwed no matter what I did. I blame my mom. She told me to move the bike down onto the side of that country road. lol


I'm sorry for you too. And by the way, Isn't your dog named Emma too?!Yeah, but my sister named it that. Plus it doesn't matter because the dog is called a million other names due to it's irresistible cuteness - emse, ems fur, emse fur sausage, sausage, tooser, the little squirrel; just to name some examples... lol


Nope that's his girlfriend or is she both? lolI don't have a girlfriend! I've never had one. There's a girl at my new school trying to get in my pants though. I've never experienced that before. She's kinda pretty, but I'm almost certain her weight is on the wrong side of 130 pounds. She's a bit too voluminous for my style.

mate, braking is the WORST thing you can do, because then you lose even more steering...... e.g. go in a straight line, brake hard and try to steer. it doesnt happen, especially if you dont have ABS........
Man, braking hard will not help you. First thing when you notice understeer is to leave the gas and touch a little the brake pedal. DON'T hit the brakes hard!
i will bloody learn...... drive like a 90 year old granny in the wet from now on!!! :(
:lol:


@Driftster: Oh man... :p

^ 130lbs? that's what i weigh! whats wrong with that? thats only like 9.5 stone... :-k

Man, braking hard will not help you. First thing when you notice understeer is to leave the gas and touch a little the brake pedal. DON'T hit the brakes hard!

:lol:


@Driftster: Oh man... :p

you shouldnt brake at all, because it takes away steering.... and steering is what you need when you're understeering, after all...... no?

the best way is to straighten up as much as you can, feet off every single pedal and just try to slowly turn in again, hoping it'll grip that time. but i didnt have anywhere near enough time to do that.

Sorry to hear about the car. Good thing no one got hurt.

you shouldnt brake at all, because it takes away steering.... and steering is what you need when you're understeering, after all...... no?

the best way is to straighten up as much as you can, feet off every single pedal and just try to slowly turn in again, hoping it'll grip that time. but i didnt have anywhere near enough time to do that.
True, but i said to only touch the brake pedal a little.. I did this and i was able to control the understeer better. Well i was driving in a great road too. I don't know but the sure thing is to not hit the brakes like you're in a panic mode.

During a full on understeer event hitting the brakes can be just as bad as not letting go the throttle, my dad (a Traffic Cop) has dealt with many car accidents because someone has understeered in the wet and braked, even slightly, just because they were going so fast into an understeer the wheels were at full lock and the car was going forwards, with the wheels not gripping the slightest braking effort can be enough to lock up the wheels and send you forwards with even less control (unless it has ABS then your front wheels will just judder to hell and will have little effect).

Straightening the wheel and down shifting helps but it can feel un-natural to people straigtening the wheel even slightly when they are understeering

Well frewin, the tires, like the car, and the country its from... Has a tendency to just GIVE UP under any sort of resistance or conflict with, the road..


Its just a trait the car was born with. You know atleast if it was the honda, it would have fought to retain control until it was completely out of options, like the japanese...

Yeah why not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwyCoQuhUNA
i'd rather ride in this one.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWXM9qLz-qo

you'd get there faster while burning up tailgaters.:D

Its people like you that make my insurance high!

^ My thoughts exactly! lol

Glad to hear your ok, it wasn't a new new Clio was it? I saw a car lock its wheels trying to stop a junction on Thursday, as its been so wet and greasy this week.

You cannot understeer and roll a car over doing the speed limit and driving sensibly. Even if it was a country road and a 60mph limit he should have the sense to drive safely.

Im glad he didnt hurt anybody else but thats about it.
Actually you can. I've seen roads that you wouldn't want to do the speed limit on... lol

Well frewin, the tires, like the car, and the country its from... Has a tendency to just GIVE UP under any sort of resistance or conflict with, the road..


Its just a trait the car was born with. You know atleast if it was the honda, it would have fought to retain control until it was completely out of options, like the japanese...

Maybe Ty...but it also might have at the first sign of understeer decided it was better to go out with a bang and just headed straight for the barrier to kill itself. You never really know in these kind of situations.

Also Frewin, if you want to never worry about understeer again, I've got your solution. Two years ago I wrecked my Escort ZX2 as I was going around a corner too fast when it was wet out. Not only that, it was coming off a hill and going around a corner so at that moment my car was at it's lightest, AND it was the first rain in a month so the road was full of oil. ANYWAY, after I had went over a curb and destroyed the wheel, a-arm, controlling arm, and scraped the firewall, my next car was a Ford Escape. So I was already scared that I was gonna crash, and NOW I'm driving a top heavy wobble box that feels like it's gonna flip over when I start the engine. You drive one of those things around for a while and you'll slow WAY down because you ALWAYS feel like you're about to crash.

I don't believe what I'm about to post here.



Thats what happens when u drive like a ****.

You go and make a thread devoted to the immaturity of members, and then you make this post?

You cannot understeer and roll a car over doing the speed limit and driving sensibly. Even if it was a country road and a 60mph limit he should have the sense to drive safely.

Im glad he didnt hurt anybody else but thats about it.

I've seen a car heavier and wider than a clio almost tip by oversteering sideways into a hard curb at 50kph.

Driving under the assumption that the road surface is normal, then breaking into complete understeer and hitting the right shaped curb at the right angle and speed could easily make a car like a clio tip.

......yeah, I think I'm gonna start crankin up the heaters because someone correct me if I'm wrong here or not but I think hell just froze over.

DID RAV SERIOUSLY JUST ****ING DEFEND FREWIN!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

That black hole machine must have done something to screw with the universe as we know it.

how fast were you going frewin?

I'm happy to be a teen who on record has never had any accidents, :p

and what, it's not like that bush is gonna sue me

sucks dude, clios are bad ass, and your insurance is gonna hate you now. have fun with that. ows the bus system in england?

That makes two of us. And we both drive trucks (truck/suv). It would seem like the people with a higher center of gravity would be more likely to roll over like frewin did, but i guess we are superior drivers ;)

Don't worry Evo, I'm contemplating seppuku.

Let me know if any zombies start cropping up, and I'll slice my guts.

^ wow u were nice for once pal! ha... :D

it's a Renault Clio. it did well in the crash, but still my car is gone and that's that........ and now my insurance company will hate me..... i am well and truly buggered :(
you have a clio! :eek:

i love those things!

sorry bout your crash and i'm happy your not hurt how pissed are your parents?

That black hole machine must have done something to screw with the universe as we know it.
No, it's the first time in over 9000 years an australian hasn't won the 1500 mens.
The world, as we know it, will soon come to an end.

http://sportscarforums.com/gallery/data/500/d0e37108_1_.jpg

Don't worry Evo, I'm contemplating seppuku.

Let me know if any zombies start cropping up, and I'll slice my guts.

You would probably miss and casturate yourself

how fast were you going frewin?

I think he said 35mph...

were your tires f*cked or something?

Oh and what generation Clio was it?

Unlucky mate!

Understeer is a real killer on British roads, most people don't expect it and don't know how to deal with it.

In the Nova saloon understeer was so apparent it was actually laughable. You could go around roundabouts and as soon as you had the front of the car go past alignment with the exit you could just floor it and it would understeer straight off the roundabout!

In the Pug things are different, it's a heavy car and the front grips like **** to a blanket. The rear however, is a bit too happy to 'snap' out on you when you least expect it. Last week I enthusiastically overtook a bus by nipping up the inside lane on a roundabout, oversteered on my way off and probably looked like a total twat.

Was good fun though.

Take it as a life experience mate. Does your insurance not cover you for a courtesy car? Most don't at our age do they, maybe we can't be trusted!

My friend wrote off a lovely MKIV Golf GTI TDI with 19" wheels only weeks ago, he was gutted.

Now you get to hunt for a new car though!

Chris.

nope, no courtesy car!

how fast were you going frewin?



That makes two of us. And we both drive trucks (truck/suv). It would seem like the people with a higher center of gravity would be more likely to roll over like frewin did, but i guess we are superior drivers ;)

about 30-35mph

and how many times to i have to explain, it wasnt anything to do with the corner itself that made me roll the car, it was the fact the car went up and along the already-bent barrier, was at a stupid angle and the car just tipped over.........

I'm gonna own up, I have understeered within the last week aswell although I didn't end up crashing but when its greasy even at 30mph it does happen.



Anyway, sorry to hear about that dude, so you have no car ????


Hard luck but tbh I would have done what you are doing, not claim on insurance because no claims is what you really want to get the insurance premium down so that you can get that better car.

Was there any sort of substance on the road?

2 days ago I had the pleasure of sitting in a enormous puddle of oil without knowing it. When i went to take off, my little Ranger with its 3.0L V6, felt like it was either driving right through the clutch, or baking the tires off like I had just installed a blown 460 under the hood. The oil was so slick and had coated the rear tires so completely, that I could not in any way shape or form feel the tires spinning.

Only a stare down at the speedo told me the transmission was indeed getting all of the engines rpm's, so I was indeed NOT driving through the clutch.

In 15 years of driving, thats the WORSE spill on the road I have had the pleasure of encountering.

Sucks to hear about your car Frewin! From my understanding, there are a lot of "tedious" spots in Great Englandland.

I'd be lying if I said that I never took a corner way to fast in a FWD car and was screaming, "Oh ****!", to myself in my head.

I think the first time it really happened was after I took my car down to a our a charity car wash being run by my High School's cheerleaders. On the way back I was feeling pretty good about being able to show up in a somewhat flashy Saab and took a left turn on to my street wayyyy too quickly. I ended up hitting the curb, and was enormously lucky to on pop onto the grass. Had their been a tree/post/telephone pole/etc the story would have ended differently.

Sorry about your car, good luck with the insurance rates.

^ wish that happened to me... new suspension would be much better than having to buy myself a whole new car :(

Was there any sort of substance on the road?

2 days ago I had the pleasure of sitting in a enormous puddle of oil without knowing it. When i went to take off, my little Ranger with its 3.0L V6, felt like it was either driving right through the clutch, or baking the tires off like I had just installed a blown 460 under the hood. The oil was so slick and had coated the rear tires so completely, that I could not in any way shape or form feel the tires spinning.

Only a stare down at the speedo told me the transmission was indeed getting all of the engines rpm's, so I was indeed NOT driving through the clutch.

In 15 years of driving, thats the WORSE spill on the road I have had the pleasure of encountering.

Sucks to hear about your car Frewin! From my understanding, there are a lot of "tedious" spots in Great Englandland.

i'm not sure, but there must've been a patch of diesel or something there (that'd make perfect sense, too, because many lorries drive on that road) - i've been round that corner countless times the exact same way, and i can honestly say that has never happened before.

and yes, there are some nasty roads here......

That truly sucks, especially since when you hit a bad patch of oil there is like nothing you can do.

I love how everyone reacted at the beginning of this thread, thinking you were flying around a curve at 60, lol.

Hope you get a new car sometime soon, just be sure to drive really slowly when it rains, if it isn't oil, it might be a lake of water. I still remember plowing through a giant puddle that I didn't see on the road (looked exactly like the road and wasn't in a "valley" or anything), the water went all the way over the car and I hydroplaned a little towards the middle of the road, luckily no accident.

^ that's an idea - the corner on which i crashed is slightly uphill, so maybe the water running down made me aquaplane just that tiny bit...

all i know is i took the corner how i usually do every time i go round it, but this time it f*cked me over. bad.

That makes two of us. And we both drive trucks (truck/suv). It would seem like the people with a higher center of gravity would be more likely to roll over like frewin did, but i guess we are superior drivers ;)
When you drive something with a high centre of gravity you don't even bother to push through the corners. We drive higher vehicles, but never push them like we do cars, therefore less chance of getting in sh1t.

I have heard (and paid little attention to) complaints about frewin1987 in the past.

Frewin; you wrecked your car (post #1). You were going too fast.

You made noise about diesel fuel (posts #29 & #61).

You made noise about hydroplaning (post #64).

Make up your mind.

You screwed up! Tell ALL.

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I save my employer lots of money driving a '96 Accord auto (95% of my FWD experience). I would pizzon 7-8mpg to drive a stick Nissan PU just because it was RWD!!!

^^^ I was wondering when and if the whole story would come out

^ i've said the whole story, what else is there to tell?? how fast and in what direction the wind was blowing, how hard i turned the wheel, which side of the car weighed more..? :D

I have heard (and paid little attention to) complaints about frewin1987 in the past.

Frewin; you wrecked your car (post #1). You were going too fast.

You made noise about diesel fuel (posts #29 & #61).

You made noise about hydroplaning (post #64).

Make up your mind.

You screwed up! Tell ALL.

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I save my employer lots of money driving a '96 Accord auto (95% of my FWD experience). I would pizzon 7-8mpg to drive a stick Nissan PU just because it was RWD!!!

what's complaints about me gotta do with anything here, may i ask? :o

all in all, before i write this comprehensive reply, i just want you to know that you're an utter c*ck.

^ that's an idea - the corner on which i crashed is slightly uphill, so maybe the water running down made me aquaplane just that tiny bit...

all i know is i took the corner how i usually do every time i go round it, but this time it f*cked me over. bad.

i never said that i aquaplaned. if you can understand my language (you know, English, the one we all speak), you'll see that i said 'that's an idea' and 'maybe'. these words show that i've underlined aquaplaning as a possibility...... no?

i seriously think you need to learn to read and interpret. most of us did when we were half a decade old.........!

:D duh, state the obvious....... if i wasnt going too fast i wouldnt have understeered..... but i can safely say i was doing way under the speed limit for that road, so i didn't think i was going too fast. wait, on the subject, i've just realised - why are you telling me i was going too fast and why am i even replying? i think i've just repeated myself....

maybe it was too fast for the conditions (well, not maybe, it obviously was), but it seemed reasonable to me, and ive been down that road so many times in my life - my house was literally 100 metres up the road, so close! there must be a patch of diesel on the road or something, because that really shouldnt have happened. ive never felt anything like it

and on that quote, yes, i think there must be diesel or something, because the road was damn slippy (causing me to understeer); i really dont think the car should've reacted how it did at that speed under normal conditions, even if it was wet. what's your problem with me talking about diesel, btw? is it not a factor that could've caused the understeer?

and no, i can't make up my mind, because i have no proof, d*ck head. i'm sure i've already admitted i screwed up, because that's undeniable. hitting into a barrier, driving half up it and rolling your car over? err..... noone could say that isn't making a mistake (after all, that's what screwed up means isnt it?). somebody likes stating the obvious!

tell these people of great SCF (or me, in fact) something i dont know, and ill care about your next post. im not in the mood for .... people.... (ill refrain from swearing there) like you to start accusing me of what you feel like.

understood?

And clio's handle like ****. That probably didnt help.

I'm sure it just seemed like alot of maybes. Personally when I aquaplane I can feel it. it's ALOT different than any other out-of-control feeling (except it's almost exactly like being on ice), and no matter how crazy I drive in the rain, it's just not possible for me to aquaplane furing a corner, the speeds required would be literally suicidal (for me).

but it may depend on the turn, was it a 90 degree turn or what?

as for the deisel, it's a good speculation, but i would truly take alot to cause a lack of control.

thats steve was saying, you can speculate about everything else, but when it comes down to it, pure and simple (and I know I'm restating what you've already said) you were going too fast to remain in control of your vehicle.

you made a mistake, like all new drivers do, and you've learned from it.

now does anyone remember my saying of "when you're new to driving buy used, and when you're used to driving buy new"? this is a perfect demonstration of why I follow and preach that belief.

I'm sure it just seemed like alot of maybes. Personally when I aquaplane I can feel it. it's ALOT different than any other out-of-control feeling (except it's almost exactly like being on ice), and no matter how crazy I drive in the rain, it's just not possible for me to aquaplane furing a corner, the speeds required would be literally suicidal (for me).

but it may depend on the turn, was it a 90 degree turn or what?

as for the deisel, it's a good speculation, but i would truly take alot to cause a lack of control.

thats steve was saying, you can speculate about everything else, but when it comes down to it, pure and simple (and I know I'm restating what you've already said) you were going too fast to remain in control of your vehicle.

you made a mistake, like all new drivers do, and you've learned from it.

now does anyone remember my saying of "when you're new to driving buy used, and when you're used to driving buy new"? this is a perfect demonstration of why I follow and preach that belief.

about 50-60 degree turn, mate. your average medium left-hander, only far, far more slippery :|. i've also now noticed that the road cambers negatively, so that doesnt help. by that, i mean that it cambers to the INSIDE of the corner, rather than the outside, like roads usually do. that's not gonna help matters such as weight transfer, now, is it!! also helping to cause understeer. there are too many factors that could have caused it, but all i know is it happened.... i need to get over it now, accept it's happened, get a new car and move on! oh, and watch that bloody corner in future :(

it wouldnt take a lot of diesel at all, buddy. diesel is an oil. an oil is a lubricant. a lubricant makes surfaces slippery. slippery surfaces mean low friction. low friction means low grip. low grip means understeer. understeer meant an accident. an accident meant me being annoyed and knowing ill be in big debt. in a nutshell! lol

i dont think steve was trying to say that, i think steve was trying to accuse me of lying somewhere down the line, when i've used NO definates apart from the fact i understeered. as i've already explained, anyway.....

And clio's handle like ****. That probably didnt help.

where'd you hear that one? my little Clio handled quite nice... not as nice as the Fiesta, though, still.

Can't say I ever expirienced understeer or any kind of steer in a car for that matter. :p Had it on my moped once going to fast around a corner I took before with that kind of speed. No bad weather just bad luck I guess. Nearly hit a car, I braked and crossed the street to stop on the side.

Sorry about your car but atleast you are ok. Any ideas for your next car?

You screwed up! Tell ALL.


^ i've said the whole story, what else is there to tell?? how fast and in what direction the wind was blowing, how hard i turned the wheel, which side of the car weighed more..? :D



what's complaints about me gotta do with anything here, may i ask? :o

all in all, before i write this comprehensive reply, i just want you to know that you're an utter c*ck.




:D duh, state the obvious....... if i wasnt going too fast i wouldnt have understeered....





Do you see a pattern here?

You have taken every possible opportunity to demonstrate your self righteous arrogant behavior, on this forum. You have been less than truthful about your job. You have argued with every member who disagrees with you. You have digressed to personal name calling and insults. You have even displaced blame when you were at fault.


Explain what you have done on here to make us all think that it was some cosmic force that made you wreck, and was no fault of your own. You even admit that you were going too fast, but justify it by saying that this is how you always go around that corner.....To me, that says that you drive like an ass all the time. Your attitude also demonstrates that you learned nothing.......so I hope you enjoy the buss

Explain what you have done on here to make us all think that it was some cosmic force that made you wreck, and was no fault of your own. You even admit that you were going too fast, but justify it by saying that this is how you always go around that corner.....To me, that says that you drive like an ass all the time. Your attitude also demonstrates that you learned nothing.......so I hope you enjoy the buss

of course it was my fault..... when have i ever said that it wasnt!?

oh my god....... how hard is it to understand that i was doing 30-35 in a 40mph zone? is that acting like an ass? im sure you do no less than that around your average medium left bend, do you? tell me you do, and you're chatting absolute crap, i'm sorry.

learned nothing? nah i've learnt nothing at all, nothing. i've just lost thousands of pounds worth of car within a second, have no transport other than my friend to work (if he fails, i cant get there, i lose my job) and my insurance is gonna go up stuuuupid amounts if the police do inform them that i've had a collision. i don't care at all do i!

of course i've f*cking learnt my lesson........... but the lesson i've learnt is undefined, i.e. it'll just be general be more aware of the road ahead

On the bring side Frewin...
http://loadinform.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2009-ford-fiesta.jpg
Yes?

the new Fiesta, yeah, it's out in a few months and it's gonna be a great car........ but i'm not buying a new new car! gonna get a used one.

Well go test drive one and then try to convince the guy that because YOU drove it it's been used and is therefore a used car. You never know, it has at least a .001% chance of working.

and if you're not going to get that...then get something sensible now that you've learned your lesson on speed...
http://www.rscosworthbreakers.co.uk/web/RS%20500%20and%20esort%20cosworth%20020% 20(Small).jpg
THAT IT KICKS ASS!!! WOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^ ROFL.... that is totally sig worth.

i may be able to haggle 500 quid or something off by chatting some bullshit.... e.g:

me: 'the old Fiesta's handling weirdly feels better than this one and drives so much nicer, but i really want a new car.......... i might get a Corsa now.....'

dumb salesman: 'oh no no here here have free air con, 6-cd multichanger, front heated screen, 16'' alloys and a £500 discount voucher on any basic Fiesta Studio!'

could work :)

EDIT: lmao........... funny stuff

RS Cosworth........... i love those cars so dearly

Just get a Mk.I Ford Focus, you can get a decent one for about 2-3 grand and the 1.6 is quick enough and is surprisingly cheap to insure, I looked it up a while ago and its only £100 more than what I pay for my 1.1 205.

I driven this shape clio:
http://www.businesscar.co.uk/Pictures/Title/n/x/f/Renault_Clio_Campus_2006.jpg


In the 1.2 and 2.0 sport variants and they both felt horrible, very sloppy, and unresponsive compared to some of the competition. The fiesta of the same age is loads more capable and feels pretty tight, i driven the zetec s briefly and it was fantastic.

^^^ I can agree with the Zetec S, one of the parts guys at work as an awesome example of one, he's gotten all the Ford Motorsport Visual packages, cossie style alloys, in Metallic Blue with Silver side stripes. It looks nice and other than the visuals its completely stock and by Christ! for a 1.6 it goes well and even sounds a little meaty. Its basically a 1.6 Fiesta with sportier looks and better suspension and still costs the same to insure.

^ i've driven my friends' Zetec-S, and the way it handles i just sublime. it's got a K&N air filter, too, so it sounds meaty as! espeically for a 1.6.

the steering is just so direct, so responsive, so grippy..... it's an amazing car, really, such fun to drive. it's a shame it aint as fast as all the boy racer badboys make out :rolleyes:......... but i'll consider getting one one day!

Dude get a Fiat Punto mk2b you can't go wrong :cool:.




Lovely cars and despite what people say its actually economical (I'm currently on 42.7mpg on my current trip :)) and imo is a beautiful car.

^ i drove one of those for my driving lessons, and it was pretty average. not awful, not good.

i'd take a Fiesta, Clio or a Corsa over a Punto anyday.

the new Grande Punto, however..... that car is sex on wheels.

^ i drove one of those for my driving lessons, and it was pretty average. not awful, not good.

i'd take a Fiesta, Clio or a Corsa over a Punto anyday.

the new Grande Punto, however..... that car is sex on wheels.

I agree with you on the Grande but the Alfa Romeo MiTo is coming out next year and it starts from £10500 appearantly and that includes air con, DNA system, and an host of other things like Blue & Me plus its on the Grande chassis ........ so:

Grande chassis + Alfa engineering & looks = sex on wheels :).

Hell the MiTo is on my list for my next car.

^ i dunno what the new Punto is like to drive, i'm just on about the fact it looks awesome.

Mito GTA will have 230 hp from a 1,8L turbocharged engine.


But i would get a Fiat Punto Abarth for sure. The car is awesome.

Mito GTA will have 230 hp from a 1,8L turbocharged engine.


But i would get a Fiat Punto Abarth for sure. The car is awesome.

supposedly, but i don't believe that. almost as much power as their top of the range V6 Alfa Romeo GT? yeah right......

and the Punto Abarth is a bit of a let down, to be fair. it's only got 153bhp, and compared to its rivals (194bhp Clio, 189bhp Corsa, 175bhp MINI, 175bhp 207, forthcoming 180bhp Fiesta....). hell, even the Zetec-S in the new Fiesta that's coming out very soon will have about 130bhp! and that's a naturally aspirated 1.6-litre...

i don't like the sound of a 1.4 turbo in a performance car, either. :-k although i'm sure it's really pretty good....

Grande chassis + Alfa engineering & looks = sex on wheels :).

Engineering fail, while sexual, still leaves you on the side of the road without a mode of transportation.

i don't like the sound of a 1.4 turbo in a performance car, either. :-k although i'm sure it's really pretty good....
I'm not sure about the other 1.4's on sale, but the TSI/twincharge thing in VW's is a decent unit. Would do brilliantly in a Polo GTi...

We skittles have discovered the cure for understeer...

Wheelspin !

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4667/daledrift99av5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

;) lolz

^ and then it turns into torque steer instead........ which is just the same as understeer, really.

cool :D lol

Frewin, why the hell havn't you bought a Cosworth yet?!?!

Here, go get one of these:
http://motors.shop.ebay.co.uk/items/Cars__Escort-Cosworth_W0QQ_nkwZEscortQ20CosworthQQQ5f trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282QQQ5fcatrefZ1QQQ 5fcatrefZ1QQ_flnZ1QQ_sacatZ9801?_trksid= p3286.c0.m282

UK isn't all that big so I don't care if it's "close" to you or not, just go get it before I punch you.

woah! I call dibs on this one.

Ford Escort Cosworth on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Escort-Cosworth_W0QQitemZ290254255843QQcmdZView Item?hash=item290254255843&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A7|240%3A131 8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

channel island, time for a boat.

On a more serious note, Frewin, just get yourself onto Autotrader, look at all the cars that meet your needs and wants but get one from a Trade sale, you can get a good car on finance, I was considering getting a used Suzuki Swift a while back but I'm just saving money to a pretty decent car with cash instead on a loan.

Wow. I refired (refried?) a thread and became a c**k and a d**khead. Seems my impression of earlier reputation was in the ballpark.

I referenced specific posts.

ASSUME = "arse" + "U" + "ME". If I come over a rise in a turn at a speed I am used to and see oil/diesel spill I will know I am screwed. If I come over same rise in a turn slower in the rain; I WON"T see the spill... I will still be screwed.

Blaming a pre-bent guardrail for the extent of your damages attempts to evade PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. You left the pavement.

Racers leave the pavement knowing they will:

1. Immediately hit a concrete wall at a small angle.

2. Drive through grass runoff slow for an agonizingly long time.

3. Be DNF in a stupid gravel trap.

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On the street; leaving even your own lane could mean being crushed to a pulp under a concrete mix truck. Game over/DRT...

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You will be cautious/scared for awhile. You will be a better driver, frewin, for it. You will have learned you ain't bulletproof.

Vaya con dios.

PS. Everybody wants their car to be perfectly neutral under all conditions. It ain't happening. Carmags raved about quick handling on the first GS (all they got to drive) RX-7s on the street/test courses. Racers thinking they could kick butt in SCCA Showroom Stock found themselves in the grass/dirt at higher speeds. The car was too loose. I drove a base model years later and found it to be more stable (groove) w/o rear anti-roll bar and smaller tires at high speeds.

PPS. This IS Sports Car Forums. When the chips are down; FWD sucks.

Are you drunk again Steve?

PPS. This IS Sports Car Forums. When the chips are down; FWD sucks.


so true
Are you drunk again Steve?

lol, i love it when people ask this question, :D

no, steve. i have a reason to blame the barrier for the extent of my damages - if it wasn't already bent before, then my car wouldn't have flipped over onto its roof.....

Are you drunk again Steve?

When Steve goes to give blood, they ask him what proof it is.

Are you drunk again Steve?


When Steve goes to give blood, they ask him what proof it is.

ahahahaa ! ;)

so true

umm, you're no Steve....=;