1996 Nissan 300zx Twin Turbo
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/nissan/300zx_2.jpg
Powertrain Layout:Front Engine / RWD
WheelBase:2451 mm / 96.5 in
Length:4305 mm / 169.5 in
Height:1250 mm / 49.2 in
Width:1791 mm / 70.5 in
Weight:1579 kgs / 3480 lbs
Configuration:Twin Turbocharged V6
Valvetrain:DOHC, 4 valves / cylinder
Displacement:2960 cc / 180.6 cu in
Power:223.7 Kw / 300.0 bhp @ 6400 rpm
Torque:383.7 Nm / 283.0 ft lbs @ 3600 rpm
Bore:87.0 mm / 3.4 in
Stroke:83.0 mm / 3.3 in
Top Speed155.0 mph / 249.4 kph
0 - 30 mph2.0 seconds
0 - 60 mph5.5 seconds
0 - 100 mph14.6 seconds
0 - ¼ mile14.1 seconds
Lateral Acceleration0.91g
EPA City / Hwy18 / 24 mpg

1998 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/mitsubishi/3000gt_2.jpg
Powertrain LayoutFront Engine / AWD
WheelBase2468 mm / 97.2 in
Length4564 mm / 179.7 in
Height1252 mm / 49.3 in
Width1839 mm / 72.4 in
Weight1728 kg / 3810 lbs
ConfigurationTwin Turbocharged V6
ValvetrainDOHC, 4 valves / cylinder
Displacement2972 cc / 181.4 cu in
Power238.6 Kw / 320.0 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque427.1 Nm / 315.0 ft lbs @ 2500 rpm
Bore91.1 mm / 3.6 in
Stroke76.0 mm / 3.0 in
Top Speed159.0 mph / 255.9 kph
0 - 30 mph1.9 seconds
0 - 60 mph5.7 seconds
0 - 100 mph14.4 seconds
0 - ¼ mile14.2 seconds
Lateral Acceleration0.90g
EPA City / Hwy18 / 24 mpg




The question is which would do better in all aspects(Drag, road, race...etc)???

The question is which would do better in all aspects(Drag, road, race...etc)???

How long did it take you to code the above post?

They'd tie in a drag race, the 300ZX would win in a road race (weight advantage and drive wheels advantage).

How long did it take you to code the above post?
about 10 min.

300ZX. wins in all the important aspects imo.

300ZX. wins in all the important aspects imo.first of all, the 1/4 mile time for the vr-4 is inaccurate. a first gen with 300hp will run a low 14 second run. a stock second gen, 320hp (the generation pictured above) will run mid 13's. (~13.55 with a good launch)

drag, the vr-4 will win. (this is pending equal driver-ability)

road racing - i honestly couldn't tell you. i believe the 300zx tt also has AWS? if i'm not mistaken. however, yes, it does have about a 200lb advantage, i think it would be pretty close, and the AWD on the vr-4 giving it a bit of an advantage with handling. and from what i've heard, the 300zx handles like complete ****. so, i'd say this would go to the vr-4 also.

don't get me wrong, the 300zx is a great car, personally, not my favorite though. out of the japanese supercars of the 90's, it was on the low end in all performance areas (compared to the vr-4, supra tt, and rx-7 turbo).

btw, the 3000gt you have pictured above, is not the vr-4.

3000gt Vr-4

Easily the 300ZX.. it's way up "there".. almost more on the level of the supra, and the RX-7 really. The 300ZX might handle like "****".. but for a fact, 3000gt's were a whole lot worse. Plus, the AWD makes it a whole lot fatter, and I'd prefer RWD.

300ZX

Easily the 300ZX.. it's way up "there".. almost more on the level of the supra, and the RX-7 really. The 300ZX might handle like "****".. but for a fact, 3000gt's were a whole lot worse. Plus, the AWD makes it a whole lot fatter, and I'd prefer RWD.

300ZX

3000gt's handle great actually. the suspension on mine is kinda shot, since it has about 122k miles on it, but my dad's stealth, (same thing) handles amazingly. the AWD makes it a whopping 250lbs heavier, which is the same as a "larger" driver.

i have nothing against RWD, however, the handling on the 300zx is one of the worst. in ANY type of weather that isn't clear, dry, and sunny, it's ass end is out in front of you. and even on that perfect-weather day, it's handling is sub-par.

The 300ZX is soooo ugly, that I'd pick the Mitsu solely based on looks without caring about the performance. :)

Just my opinion.

The 300ZX is soooo ugly, that I'd pick the Mitsu solely based on looks without caring about the performance. :)

Just my opinion.
ahaha thats the exact opposite for me. i find the mitsu unbearable to look at yet i like the looks of the 300zx.

ahaha thats the exact opposite for me. i find the mitsu unbearable to look at yet i like the looks of the 300zx.
ouch... that hurts :(


haha. i think the 300zx is a nice looking car. but the lines are bland, nothing exciting about them, nothing original. the 3000gt lines, it just stands out. there is no car out there like it, in any respect (looks wise).

ahaha thats the exact opposite for me. i find the mitsu unbearable to look at yet i like the looks of the 300zx.

I like both cars looks but if i had to pick one i'd go the 300ZX, purely on looks. the performance is pretty close so it depends on the driver i suppose

well... the both look alright, but I'd take the 300ZX it looks better than the Mitsu. Performance is so close that it doesn't matter to me

My uncle owned both a stealth and a VR4.. says the handle totally like crap.. but he did take his car 130 mph plus. Even car and driver said when the VR-4 was the last real japanese "supercar" (Supra, RX-7, 300ZX..).. Japan didn't have much left if the all they had was the VR-4, because it handled real bad compared to the others.

i think the 300zx is a nice looking car. but the lines are bland, nothing exciting about them, nothing original.
The 300ZX is one of the most well designed 90's sports cars. The lines are not bland, and they are most certainly original. The 3000GT is not.

the 3000gt lines, it just stands out. there is no car out there like it, in any respect (looks wise).
So, would that exclude the Dodge Stealth?

These cars a designed to be virtually the same performance wise. It comes down to looks, comfort, reliability, and cost. The cost is similar, so lets rule that one out. The looks are unique. Some hate it, others love it. Lets get down to reliability. As I have driven both cars, let me tell you that the reliability of the car, has a lot to do with how it performs. Ok, so the 300ZX isnt a goddes at handling. I can admit that, but the 4WS helps when you are in a tight spot. The 3000GT however, is a different story. I drove 2 300ZXs and 3 3000GTs when I was shopping for my 1st car, and I thought both to be worthy cars. Both had lots of power and great looks. It was when I got behind the wheel of the 3000GTs I noticed the suspension. It was hard, and made loud noises when I went around corners or just drove straight down the highway. The steering wheel had tightness to it and took a lot of effort to turn the wheel. It didn't seem to odd, as I was used to driving the manual steering in the Jeep Wrangler, but my father noticed it immediately. It wasn't just one. We also drove both generations, a 1997 and 1995, and both had the same problem. So if you ask me, I go for the 300ZX. For reasons I can and cannot explain.

The 300ZX is one of the most well designed 90's sports cars. The lines are not bland, and they are most certainly original. The 3000GT is not.
the 3000GT is "not" one of the most well designed sports cars of the 90's? i guess this is more of a personal opinion than anything.



So, would that exclude the Dodge Stealth?
does what exclude the dodge stealth? i love the stealth, at least the 91-93 body style. after that, they have more of an eclipse-look, which i am not a huge fan of.


These cars a designed to be virtually the same performance wise. It comes down to looks, comfort, reliability, and cost. The cost is similar, so lets rule that one out. The looks are unique. Some hate it, others love it. Lets get down to reliability. As I have driven both cars, let me tell you that the reliability of the car, has a lot to do with how it performs. Ok, so the 300ZX isnt a goddes at handling. I can admit that, but the 4WS helps when you are in a tight spot. The 3000GT however, is a different story. I drove 2 300ZXs and 3 3000GTs when I was shopping for my 1st car, and I thought both to be worthy cars. Both had lots of power and great looks. It was when I got behind the wheel of the 3000GTs I noticed the suspension. It was hard, and made loud noises when I went around corners or just drove straight down the highway. The steering wheel had tightness to it and took a lot of effort to turn the wheel. It didn't seem to odd, as I was used to driving the manual steering in the Jeep Wrangler, but my father noticed it immediately. It wasn't just one. We also drove both generations, a 1997 and 1995, and both had the same problem. So if you ask me, I go for the 300ZX. For reasons I can and cannot explain.
a 97 and a 95 are the same. the only difference is in 97 the front end was changed, and they got rid of the active aero spoiler.

yes, the suspension is hard, and you feel every bump in the road. personally, i like that, i feel a little more in-tune with the car... if you may. there is a lot of road noise, however, that can be taken care of, or lessened with the right tires.

i've never noticed a "tightness" in the steering... compared to my mom's minivan (toyota sienna) yes, it is tighter and "harder", it's not an easy, smooth, little-effort type of steering.

i have nothing against the 300zx. i think they're great cars. and i guess i mis-worded it a bit before, the lines are not un-original, but, a little plain... at least the side profile. i really don't know how to explain it. i absolutely LOVE the tail lights though. i always wished i could have a set custom made to fit my car. would look badass... especially on a black car.

anyway, both cars are great cars. and each has it's own pros and cons. it really just comes down to what type of car you're looking for, and what you want in a car.

the 3000GT is "not" one of the most well designed sports cars of the 90's? i guess this is more of a personal opinion than anything.
I said not original, re-read my post.

does what exclude the dodge stealth? i love the stealth, at least the 91-93 body style. after that, they have more of an eclipse-look, which i am not a huge fan of.
You said that the lines in the 3000GT were unique, and were like no other. When in fact the Dodge Stealth is almost an exact copy.


a 97 and a 95 are the same. the only difference is in 97 the front end was changed, and they got rid of the active aero spoiler.


I meant 97 and 92, sorry. The 97 was white and the 92 was red.



yes, the suspension is hard, and you feel every bump in the road. personally, i like that, i feel a little more in-tune with the car... if you may. there is a lot of road noise, however, that can be taken care of, or lessened with the right tires.

i've never noticed a "tightness" in the steering... compared to my mom's minivan (toyota sienna) yes, it is tighter and "harder", it's not an easy, smooth, little-effort type of steering.

I don't mean as in tuned tightly. I mean as in the CV joint is blown. The steering is tight and feels as if it does not have power steering.

Sorry local-babe, I'm going with the 300ZX TT, wayyyyyyy more agressive, with that edgey "snout" and gorgeous ass. I mean...really, it's just pure speed in lined form. The fact that it has a nice motor, great tunability and style is just too hard to pass up. Plus...The weight issue that I won't go near. =)

Sorry local-babe, I'm going with the 300ZX TT, wayyyyyyy more agressive, with that edgey "snout" and gorgeous ass. I mean...really, it's just pure speed in lined form. The fact that it has a nice motor, great tunability and style is just too hard to pass up. Plus...The weight issue that I won't go near. =)
however, it is the only car that you have to pull the engine bay apart to find the dipstick :p (least from what i've been told)

btw, i'm a bit druk right nwo, so don't mind me :D

they're great cars, i never said tey weren't, just not my cup of tea. with the shitty roads around here, i need the AWD to get in and out of my driveway in the winter, hence, the AWD OWNZ YOU!!!!!!!!! BAAAAAHAHA

dear god... 3 days and only 2 hours of sleep... TOTAL, plus alcohol = deliriousness :D haha

also, to the comment about the stealth... the stealth is the same car, mechanically. and aesthetically, or howrever you spell it, they're fairly different... at least in terms of body panels. (the second gen stealth's look like bloated eclipses). it's the same frame, so, of course they're going to have similarities in their lines.

and what's not original about the lines of the car, or the car itself? the only car i've ever heard it confused with is a ferrari... and at least in my opinion, i consider that a compliment :D

(well, ok, that's a lie. when i was in North Carolina for spring break, i needed a new battery for the car cuz it kept dying. i walked into walmart and told the guy in the battery section behind the counter that i needed a battery. he asked "what kinda car is it?" i said "a mitsubishi 3000GT" he said "oh, well, what kinda mustang is that?" it toook all the self control i had not to laugh. so backwards down there.... i kinda wanted to cry...)

:p

should have made this a poll... the reason i like the 300zx so much is that the looks are pretty much a one of a kind to me, havent seen anything look like it before the 300zx was made, and has great power...on the other hand the 3000gt has its twin the Dodge Stealth, which i like the looks and all but to me the 3000gt has great body lines but are rough...Also when choosing to mod the 3000gt it bottom end can only withstand about 450HP before having do the big improvements on the motor... Im not sure what the 300zx can handle at the bottom end before having to be redone but Im a Nissan freak, any :twisted: Nissan:twisted: i like(well most), The 300zx is always going to be my supercar, since i would like a skyline but, you dont find many skylines in the states so the 300zx will be my skyline...

I'd pick a naturally aspirated 300ZX because the 3000GT doesn't come in a potent N/A version. But inreality, i'd choose neither. And i think the VR-4 would win in both kinds of races, even an off road race.

I will drive turbo cars for life...Turbo...Turbo...

I will drive turbo cars for life...Turbo...Turbo...

either you're crazy or your trying to piss me off.

should have made this a poll... the reason i like the 300zx so much is that the looks are pretty much a one of a kind to me, havent seen anything look like it before the 300zx was made, and has great power...on the other hand the 3000gt has its twin the Dodge Stealth, which i like the looks and all but to me the 3000gt has great body lines but are rough...Also when choosing to mod the 3000gt it bottom end can only withstand about 450HP before having do the big improvements on the motor... Im not sure what the 300zx can handle at the bottom end before having to be redone but Im a Nissan freak, any :twisted: Nissan:twisted: i like(well most), The 300zx is always going to be my supercar, since i would like a skyline but, you dont find many skylines in the states so the 300zx will be my skyline...correction... the bottom end can withstand more than 450hp. one of the guys on the 3000gt/stealth forum ran a 10.9 on stock bottom end with around 27psi. (didn't post dyno numbers, however, it has to be pushing well over 500hp, probably closer to 600hp to the wheels in order to run those times). there are quite a few members on that board running 500awhp + and haven't found the "limit" yet. so far, i don't believe anyone's even come close to the "limit".

either you're crazy or your trying to piss me off.
Yes Im crazy, but why??

because you like turbos.

Because turbos aren't that great
and your a rice boy

Because turbos aren't that great
and your a rice boy
turbo's are a **** load of fun :D

have you ever actually BEEN in a turbo'd car? :p

Yeah, 650 +bhp TT Supra...Obviously not mine, but it's a quick s.o.b for sure.

And on second thought. If I were to have a thousand or so extra over the 3000GT I'd 100% go for the Nissan, reason is simple, as I've said a number of time before on turbo'd 300ZX's. The oil lines for the engine run too close to the turbos for their own good. And the motor, as the local booze-hound (ahem, "own') put it, is a pain in the ass to do anything to, the bay is filllled with crap. And so you can't really move them out of the way. So I'd say to upgrade the cooling system doubly so and faster than doing anything else.

Anyways, turbo's honestly are great and all...But they do have some major drawbacks that the laws of physics and even oil, beryllium, titanium and steel can't hold back forever. And that's :HEAT...Usage of cooling systems is critical to any turbo'd car. In a naturally aspirated motor you don't have that problem, to quite the extent I mean, motors do get hot regardless. But with turbo'd engines those turbocharges run at over 120,000rpm's all the time which generates enormous amounts of heat. That's why Loooong Endurance racers don't use turbo'd motors...And don't bother telling me about the one's that do, I know about them, I'm saying in general they don't. Because turbocharged engines, through the laws of physics and chemistry do not last as long under identical conditions as n/a engines.

And we as car fanatics and wannabe Prost's aand Montoya's want straight from the track technology.

turbo's are a **** load of fun :D

have you ever actually BEEN in a turbo'd car? :p
Yeah, 1998 Turbo Bently and a 959.

Because turbos aren't that great
and your a rice boy

Don’t bash turbo cars mate ;)
My old Maserati shamal where a biturbo car :) and my Volvo also use a Turbo (480Tic)

I like turbos too but i just said they weren't THAT good

Yeah, 1998 Turbo Bently and a 959.You've been in a 959?!?!?!? Wow... I envy you! How come?

Anyway, I don't think I've ever been in a turboed car, except of course taxis and buses! (turbodiesel) :p

Uh yeah, nieghbour used to car pool (god knows how) with it.

carpool in a 959!!! damn!

i've been hearing rumors that a really rich guy who is buying one of the houses for sale on my street has an imported 959...but until i see it, it's just a rumor

Because turbos aren't that great
and your a rice boyWho was that directed towards??????
For thw first thing if thaat was directed toward me, rice is Civic and Integra, Accord, any Honda or Acura, to me Nissan and Mitsubishi are rice but classified under nice rice, you dont see many 3000gt's or 300zx riced out like hondas or acura. These two cars have some balls(300zx and 3000gt), and if you actually ever read any of my other posts in other treads in on both sides, I drive american cars but like import cars... The thing i like to see a person who drives an Import beat a american car, when the american car driver acts all tough to beat and after losing sayin he missed a shift or some excuse...Its would be nice to see, But about the rice boy... if it was directed towards me never call me that again...please...

And another thing seperated cars by american and imports and decriminating them is like calling a black man a F***ing N****... this s**t pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: For rice look at this site: http://www.autopics.com/street-racing/honda/civic/

Im calling you a rice boy because:

Importfan's Dictionary of Automotive Knowledge Volume 1
Turbo (toe - beu) n. (pl. turbos ) 1. All any car needs to be fast, especially cars from Japan.
The End

Im calling you a rice boy because:

Importfan's Dictionary of Automotive Knowledge Volume 1
Turbo (toe - beu) n. (pl. turbos ) 1. All any car needs to be fast, especially cars from Japan.
The EndTHATS BS, Lets just get this ****ING over with, stop BITCHING about your hatred for Import POS's, and continue this topic... Oh BTW you forgot SUPERCHARGED engines there

Edit: FYI BTW if you didnt know i dont drive a ****ing POS Civic or any ricer like that, the cars I drive are my father's Yukon Z71, Ford F-250 dually, and my camaro.

Right, point out where i said i hate imports and i love Camaros

Right, point out where i said i hate imports and i love Camaros
We cool now:-k , since we got that out of our minds...BTW everyone sorry for the language...

Yeah sorry about all that

well i'm glad that is all sorted, can we try not to let that happen again :p

Indeed, ppl try to be more calm here please...

Let's go on with the topic now. :)

300zx TT owns the 3000GT VR4 in every category.

why? I'm glad i asked for you :)

1.) handling, AWD (all wheels provide driving power) vs SUPER HICAS (all wheel steering past 30mph), thanks to cray supercomputing this has already been tested and tried, the HICAS is better, its been tried by a machine that is capable of over 1 trillion computatins per second, the hicas is better.
2.) WHP, our favorite 300zx is pushing 313 stock wheel horsepower. and our favorite 3000GT VR4 is pushing 287 stock wheel horsepower (remember AWD, it kills horsepower ratings) however at the flywheel (where car companies like to measure, but doesn't matter as much) the 3000GT is 355 stock and the 300zx is 333. So if we have our foot on the clutch, the 3000gt is spinning its flywheel faster, but once we start moving, the 300zx pulls away.
3.) The 3000GT weighs 257 lbs more then the 300zx....fatty.
4.) The 300zx comes with bose surround sound....sorry...cheap trick :)
5.) The 300zx has an RMS turbo setting, when RMS is running it runs the turbo at higher boost during its "sport" type suspension (all on-board stock, the ECU changes the boost) the VR4 has? high boost all the time? Even when getting groceries?....


thats why the vr4 is a neat vehicle. and the 300zx is a supercar.

The only thing i have found out is that the HICAS system only works above 20 MPH to i think its 75 MPH, i will read up on that again...But as I said before...300zx all the way

Huh, new old thread. I'll share my input.

I have had my 300zx for 3-4 years now. About as long as my friend owned his 3000GT VR4. We have raced them bone stock to bone stock and modded to modded and for some reason the Z pulled him pretty easily stock and modded. Sure he easily beat me off the line but I reeled him in and passed him in 3rd gear and just kept pulling through 4th. That's stright line speed, Now in the twisties forget about it.....The car is so overweight and hard to toss around that it gets left behind in the handling department. Both cars have AWS but that honestly only helps during high speed sudden lane changes, but it REALLY helps. It's MUCH harder to drive than a good RWD car. Sure the Z's tail will hang out if you want it too and it's a fair weather car.

As far as working on them goes, my friend actually thinks it's easier to work on the Z. Yet cramped the engine bay is thoughtfully engineered and doesn't require the removel of the intake manifold to replace plugs. To an amature the engine bay of the 300zx is intimidating, it was to me, but after figuring out where everything went and was for it's not too bad.

Interior quality undoubtable goes to the Z.

My friend recently sold his 3000GT which was making over 500WHP and bought a 300zx after making oen 3rd gear pull from 3000RPM to redline. I guess the tires breaking traction at 80MPH got him hooked.

Needless to say he like hi sZ MUCH better over the 3000GT.

300zx TT owns the 3000GT VR4 in every category.

why? I'm glad i asked for you :)

1.) handling, AWD (all wheels provide driving power) vs SUPER HICAS (all wheel steering past 30mph), thanks to cray supercomputing this has already been tested and tried, the HICAS is better, its been tried by a machine that is capable of over 1 trillion computatins per second, the hicas is better.
2.) WHP, our favorite 300zx is pushing 313 stock wheel horsepower. and our favorite 3000GT VR4 is pushing 287 stock wheel horsepower (remember AWD, it kills horsepower ratings) however at the flywheel (where car companies like to measure, but doesn't matter as much) the 3000GT is 355 stock and the 300zx is 333. So if we have our foot on the clutch, the 3000gt is spinning its flywheel faster, but once we start moving, the 300zx pulls away.
3.) The 3000GT weighs 257 lbs more then the 300zx....fatty.
4.) The 300zx comes with bose surround sound....sorry...cheap trick :)
5.) The 300zx has an RMS turbo setting, when RMS is running it runs the turbo at higher boost during its "sport" type suspension (all on-board stock, the ECU changes the boost) the VR4 has? high boost all the time? Even when getting groceries?....


thats why the vr4 is a neat vehicle. and the 300zx is a supercar.

I believe AWD is better than all wheel steering. The Acura RL has SH-AWD (Super-Handling-All-Wheel-Drive) and doesn't require all wheel steering. It's much better than having all four wheels steering. All wheel steering probably adds just as much weight as an AWD driveline......

Off topic: The Skyline has all-wheel steering and the special AWD system that decreases understeer. (I forgot the name of the AWD system of the Skyline. Please tell me what it's called.) If you really like the all wheel steering with AWD that doesn't understeer, then just set your mind on purchasing a skyline........ (VERY EXPENSIVE TO IMPORT INTO THE U.S.)

It's called ATTESA-ETS.

I prefer the 3000GT VR4 because it's faster and more beautiful than the ZX300 ..
ZX300 can't beat the 3000GT in a race .. I think 3000GT 91 can smash the ZX300 ..

I'm just waiting for someone to prove your wrong. All you have to do is look to 1/4 mile times, 3000GT's run low 14's, 300ZX run mid 13's. Handling obviously goes to the RWD 300ZX.

It's called ATTESA-ETS.

That is the AWD system. The AWS system is called super hicas which is the same system used in the Z. It only moves the wheels 2-4 degrees at speeds over 40MPH. A lot of people drop it when they try to fit bigger wheels on the back as it interferes with some wheel offsets. That's why I went with CCW as they make them custom.

Like I said the only place you notice it is on highspeed sudden turns.

BTW: it adds 25ish pounds to the car.

I believe AWD is better than all wheel steering. The Acura RL has SH-AWD (Super-Handling-All-Wheel-Drive) and doesn't require all wheel steering. It's much better than having all four wheels steering. All wheel steering probably adds just as much weight as an AWD driveline......

Off topic: The Skyline has all-wheel steering and the special AWD system that decreases understeer. (I forgot the name of the AWD system of the Skyline. Please tell me what it's called.) If you really like the all wheel steering with AWD that doesn't understeer, then just set your mind on purchasing a skyline........ (VERY EXPENSIVE TO IMPORT INTO THE U.S.)

AWD is only good for hard launches and bad weather. Other than those conditions it actually hinders performance.

didnt even waste my time reading 6 pages of this. but IMO:
The FWD engine layout on the 3000GT is retarded. A 300ZX is lighter than a 3000GT and has greater aftermarket support. other than off the line, the 300ZX will beat that VR-4 hands down. and looks. the 300ZX has a better look to it.

I didnt know that the 3000gt had a front wheel drive layout, after looking it up...learned something new...and about the HICAS steering(AWS) i mentioned yesterday, i found that info again.

Info from: Sport Compact Car


Below 20 mph and above 75 mph, the system is inactive, but between 20 and 75 mph, it moves the rear wheels up to 1 degree, depending on vehicle speed, steering wheel angle, and the speed the steering wheel is turned. Turn the wheel quickly, and you get more of a response.

didnt even waste my time reading 6 pages of this. but IMO:
The FWD engine layout on the 3000GT is retarded. A 300ZX is lighter than a 3000GT and has greater aftermarket support. other than off the line, the 300ZX will beat that VR-4 hands down. and looks. the 300ZX has a better look to it.

Hence a reason why the transfer case input shaft see's alot of stress.

ok people, let me educate you on this

firstly, the 3000gt vr4 does not run high 14s in the qtr
its 13.5. its 300-320 flywheel horsepower depending.

the 300xz is between 280-300 depending on the year, and runs a 14.1 stock. dont believe me? look it up

therefore the 3/s destroys the 300 on the drag.

on a road course, the newest zx couldnt compare with the 3000. better 0-60 and quarter mile times, not to mention the 3000 is AWD, and wider. the 3000gt is one of the most amazing handling cars out there. idk what you people are talking about. i rape supras, corvettes, AMGs, all on the backroad, carrera 4s was the only car that can keep with me on the turns.

and you want to talk about tunability? please. the fastest 3/s in the world, built by matt monett runs 9.8s in the 1/4, and its built upon a stock shortblock. thats also with no nitrous. 300zx's have to be built up at the 550hp mark, unless you are running some sort of water/methanol injection. 3000gts and 300zxs arent even comparable in terms of performance. maybe make a 93 1/2+ supra vs 94 3000gt thread. the supra usually beats the 3000, but at least that thread would be with COMPARABLE cars. if you still dont all believe me out there, send me a PM, i have the 93 and 94 car and drivers where they test the 3000, 300, supra, corvette lt1 together. guess who always gets last? the 300. dont even compare these cars

March of 2005....wow....

ok also, the 3000gt turbo model(vr4) is NOT fwd. its AWD. the SL, and base models are fwd. the dodge stealth, which was built in the same factory as the 3000(joint korean factory by mitsu/dodge) is the same car. they were made to be the same car. the turbo stealth is AWD as well. and the r/t, and es models are FWD.

let me repeat myself...

March of 2005....wow....

after re reading these posts, i cant believe how much false information is being put up here. read before you post. 3000gts are faster and outhandle 300zxs. there are no debates, there are facts. the only debate here should be about looks. i own a vr4, but i have always wanted a 300zx because i like the looks as well. IMO both very beautiful looking, in different ways

yeah, i know its march 05, just kinda sick of my car not getting its respect due to uninformed people. but hey, last night it was great raping the 300zx that put down 200 thinking he could beat me. lets just say that 200 bucks is going to be well spent

3000GT's make more power than 300ZX's....so i'd hope they're faster..

3000GT's cost more aswell...but....yeah...anywho

I would say the Nissan,
It has twin turbo, it's ''convertible'' and it's not very beautifull but it's not horrible it's nice.
The Mitsu is ugly but sounds fantastic.
JM

I would say do NOT open threads this old.


Thanks for trying Drift...



btw... I bought a 1984 300Z from a tow yard sight unseen for 265 bucks once. Turned out to be a lot more than anyone thought. Aftermarket twin turbo set-up... Racing clutch... Custom suspension... Anyway, I've driven stock Z cars and Stealths and I wouldn't take a Stealth over a Z for anything... Between the two cars handling is all in the driver so if you think your Stealth is all that come out to Kansas and I'll borrow a Z from one of my drivers. You're new here, learn the rules and get to know people before you just come out with a 'my car rules the world' attitude. In fact, I'll run against you with my wife's Tiburon! lol