http://www.leftlanenews.com/best-mechanic-ever-ohio-man-tunes-ford-mustang-to-produce-400-horsepower-and-return-110-mpg.html

What are your thoughts on this?

I doubt it, it's highly unlikely for a car like that to return that kind of mpg with a V8 with that much power. Probably just another hoax

I think it would be sweet...

The 110mpg are achieved with the engine shut off and going downhill!:)

Easy money says that those are peak figures, not comparable to EPA published figures. EPA figures are done as an average over a test course, peak figures are the highest average over any period of time or even an instantaneous rate. Heck, I used to hit 87 instantaneous miles per gallon on my old Saab cruising on the highway.

I'm sure he's got some ECU switch that throws the car into fuel saving mode once it's up to speed on the highway.

Still pretty cool though.

Who's to say it's not true, seriously?

With the best in engine technologies (e.g. variable valve timing, something such as Fiat's 'multijet' direct injection etc), an alternative fuel, top aerodynamics, energy-harnessing technologies (i.e. regenerative braking, a stop-start system) and so on, I seriously wouldn't be surprised if this was possible.

But it's achieving this cheaply that's impossible...

This is some old news, heard about it on morning talk radio about a month ago. Neat, getting these same results won't be cheap, but getting a similar product made cheaper and less effewctive .... (This supposedly increases ICE engine efficiency to 30%.. Let's say something cheap that brings it to 20%...) Can be done.... But the men in high chairs will put a stop to this ASAp

The Acabion will reach 450km/h in 19 seconds and has 750hp, while returning 100mpg at 100mph. Owned.

Yeah but the acabion looks like **** will handle like **** is impractical and is called "acabion"

Who cares? With that speed I doubt you would. If a kart had space for groceries and had a license plate I'd scoot up to the store in one. Just the ultra direct steering, responsive gas pedal, and leech like cornering grip would be enough to offset the discomfort caused by the lack of suspension and noise created by the lack of a good muffler. But hey, we're all different.

You sure it handles well? You sure its safe at speeds? And what can you really accomplish other than pilot from inside a cockpit.... Btw, as much as I like engine noise (don't insinuate I don't youngin).. At some point ill went to commute, or give a woman friend a ride..... Aint happening in the dikkmobile

It's a lot safer than a bike at least. And it has a rear seat.

It's a lot safer than a bike at least. And it has a rear seat.
No its not, bikes don't do 470 kph, how the hell is that safe? Lol

You don't have to go that fast, but you can. lol what a pointless debate :lol:

Just get a motorcycle for god's sake. More speed than you can imagine and awesome fuel economy

maybe it is possible (yeah sure...), but I don't think so in that Stang, too old to adapt new technologies to it...

i cant even masturbate with that much efficiency
I hear ya!

It is easy to get MPG like this, all it needs is just the right gearing in the transmission. My dad's friend has 1980's GMC truck that he had the transmission overhauled on and he made the guys at the shop put an overdrive gear in his transmission that made the motor run at almost idle speed. He says he drives down the interstate going 85mph with the A/C on full blast getting 40MPG.

This is a Manual trans mind you.

If the guy installed a re-burn system on his motor that took the place of the cat and captured the unburned fuel in the exhaust and bought it back through the motor to be burned again that would probably provide an increase too.

Total bullshit!

I doubt that you could get such amount of energy even if engine would be 100% efficient from such a small amount of fuel.

The 110mpg are achieved with the engine shut off and going downhill!:)
Hahaha, you might be right!

Anyways as many said you can put an ECU with many stages like basic, normal, performance. With a button you can change easily the maps of the ECU and can run the selected stage.

My thoughts are that this can't achieve this MPG easily. I dont know though, i'm just really curious!

Maybe this guy misread 11.0mpg :P

That is seriously great, 110mpgs and 400bhp
That's just F*king great

I'm having a hard time believing this. But if its true this is going to save the V8, and muscle cars like the Mustang GT.

I that's true that would mean that big car companies have the ability to do that but they are holding out on us.
I think those big companies have deals with the big oil companies. Thoughts??

For all of you skeptics on the possibilities of this, I take it you have little to no understanding how a internal combustion engine works......


So let me give you a hint here... The engine in your car runs so poorly from the car lot, by LAW its required to have a device to dissipate unburnt gasoline from your exhaust pipe..... That's how SHITTY your engine performs.... When it's BRAND new... Imagine if you will, that same car not needing a catyltic converter....... Your car brand new runs at about 3-4% efficiency as I said... This guy brought it up to 30%... Meaning the fuel burns better, cylinders stay cooler, timing is more accurate... In other words... Stop doubting ish you don't understand.

For all of you skeptics on the possibilities of this, I take it you have little to no understanding how a internal combustion engine works......


So let me give you a hint here... The engine in your car runs so poorly from the car lot, by LAW its required to have a device to dissipate unburnt gasoline from your exhaust pipe..... That's how SHITTY your engine performs.... When it's BRAND new... Imagine if you will, that same car not needing a catyltic converter....... Your car brand new runs at about 3-4% efficiency as I said... This guy brought it up to 30%... Meaning the fuel burns better, cylinders stay cooler, timing is more accurate... In other words... Stop doubting ish you don't understand.

too good to be true, there are thousands of engineers that are trying to make engines as efficient as possible and them can not achieve not even near such results. Yes, one person can create something new, but not that radical.

Lets just wait and if this guy isnt a cheater we all will be saved from the oil crisis :)

well sabaka, if you think about it this one guy one made on engine, in one car

the thousands of engineers your talking about have to engineer one car and one engine, to be mass produced so that thousands can be made quickly and cheaply.

im sure this guy didnt have too much of a cost issue and didnt care much for trying to make the results mass producible

fossil fuels are alot more energy dense than we give them credit for. all you have to do is increase the efficiency of the IC engine, and you instantly get both more power and better gas mileage.

We need a diesel with 50:1 compression. Just think, a small 2 litre could have 300ftlbs and get 50 mpg.

too good to be true, there are thousands of engineers that are trying to make engines as efficient as possible and them can not achieve not even near such results. Yes, one person can create something new, but not that radical.

Lets just wait and if this guy isnt a cheater we all will be saved from the oil crisis :)
Explain to me how the z06 makes 505 horses and gets over 20 mpg and NOT considered a gas guzzler? When 10 years ago, it was a struggle getting double digit mpg with 450hp sabaka? Explain that? Nothing has changed in terms of engine design, all that's changed is burn efficiency... So s'plain..

too good to be true, there are thousands of engineers that are trying to make engines as efficient as possible and them can not achieve not even near such results. Yes, one person can create something new, but not that radical.

Lets just wait and if this guy isnt a cheater we all will be saved from the oil crisis :)


This guy ain't a cheater, have you even read the article ??
Here's a piece of it:
LeftLaneNews
Although a 400 horsepower economy car sounds too good to be true, Toledo’s Rocket Ventures, a subsidiary of the Regional Growth Partnership, has verified Pelmear’s claim, according to OzarksFirst.com.

And this thing's not gonna be in mass production for at least a decade.
Car companies are to damn lazy and instead of making it they'll just create imaginative problems for it not to work

Well, to my knowledge the best combustion engines in the world can achieve around 60% efficiency...and they work through a steam turbine, and have several heat regenerators which capture lost heat and use it back again to heat up the water and they weight way the hell more than any automobile could carry.

It's just hard to believe that ONE man could come up with something this AMAZING all by himself. I'm not calling his claims total bullshit...but his claims are total bullshit.

Evo, you have to remember, how many people have sat back and tried?

Like honestly, how many people can say they've focused on making that work?

The only way I can imagine getting such good fuel economy is not by making the ICE more efficient but by changing the things outside the engine.

It's very difficult and takes A LOT of engineering to make engines efficiency higher, even by small percentages, so I doubt that's the way he went.

Running at 70km/h (50mph) at idle (800rpm) could be achieved with a car which made a good amount of torque down low. Make the car light and aerodynamic and you'll surely have more than 50mpg. Then you can make the car to have the peak horsepower you want.

Imagine a higher octane fuel, a much hotter spark, if not 2, a precisely timed spark, like to the billionth of a second via computer control cams that are degreed for just the right duration and lift to not let exhaust out till the most fuel is burnt.. Cold cylinders to keep the air in the cylinder as dense as possible for a better burn high compression pistons to once again ensure a more complete burn. Just dozens of things that promote power, buts purpose are efficiency

It's running on E85.

The problem isn't really getting all the power out of the fuel (e.g. using 2 spark plugs, high compression) because that kind of efficiency of getting the most power per gallon of fuel (in any form, heat or kinetic E) on road cars is already sky high and near to 100% (a drasgter running at 11000rpm and producing 8000bhp is a different thing). Your point of making the duration, lift, etc perfect is very valid and good but I can't see that much of a change from that alone.

The problem with ICE and the "low" efficiency is that the block is made hot. Try to make a block (& pistons & heads) which don't conduct heat and the eficiency will go up. Still you'll have friction and weight (as in pistons, conrods, crank, flywheel, etc moving) which won't let the mechanical power/energy made at the wheels be as high as the power/energy the fuel makes.

Which is why I also mentioned keeping the engine cool.

Yes but it's not really keeping it cool what is needed.

If you keep it cool by extracting all the heat rapidly (e.g. keeping it on a fridge or make it radiate all the heat out by one means or another) you are just robbing the energy.

On the other hand if you don't let the energy/heat escape from the cylinders the pressure will be higher an it'll produce more mechanical power.

Maybe you meant that, I wasn't sure.

Cant imagine how its possible to do all of that, just too many difficulties at least for an otto engine. It should be totally new kind of engine to achieve such efficiency and still i doubt that one guy could create something radical without sufficient funds and at least some help from others.

I would be glad if i was wrong this time, but... i just cant believe everything others say.

Yes but it's not really keeping it cool what is needed.

If you keep it cool by extracting all the heat rapidly (e.g. keeping it on a fridge or make it radiate all the heat out by one means or another) you are just robbing the energy.

On the other hand if you don't let the energy/heat escape from the cylinders the pressure will be higher an it'll produce more mechanical power.

Maybe you meant that, I wasn't sure.Exactly.

If you keep the block cool, the engine will be less efficient because there will be a more favorable gradient for energy in the combustion reaction to manifest itself in heat and escape. Technically you want to block to be hot, that way there is a lower difference between the temperature of combustion and the outside environment and less energy will be lost through heat.

Who's to say it's not true, seriously?

With the best in engine technologies (e.g. variable valve timing, something such as Fiat's 'multijet' direct injection etc), an alternative fuel, top aerodynamics, energy-harnessing technologies (i.e. regenerative braking, a stop-start system) and so on, I seriously wouldn't be surprised if this was possible.

But it's achieving this cheaply that's impossible...
Top Aerodynamics In an 87 Mustang????
The secret is tying up the mustang to a Konensegg after filling it up with fuel.
The rusted fuel tank will allow the fuel to leak at the rate of one gallon per 110 miles...
and the Hp, divide the Konensegg's by 2
And you are using the Konenseggs V8 to propell the car!!!
It all matches!!!!
:D:D:D:D

Evo, you have to remember, how many people have sat back and tried?

Like honestly, how many people can say they've focused on making that work?
Agreed.
Imagine a higher octane fuel, a much hotter spark, if not 2, a precisely timed spark, like to the billionth of a second via computer control cams that are degreed for just the right duration and lift to not let exhaust out till the most fuel is burnt.. Cold cylinders to keep the air in the cylinder as dense as possible for a better burn high compression pistons to once again ensure a more complete burn. Just dozens of things that promote power, buts purpose are efficiency
They have small engines in labs that they use for experiments that have infinitely variable valve timing, lift, and duration. I wonder how effecient those are? Personally I think the oil companies have paid to keep efficient technology from surfacing just to keep their business.

First see it then believe it. If this is treu it might just save petrol engines as we know them in the future. At 110mpg who needs hydrogen? Also impresive power and torque. I hope it's treu...but seriously doubt it.

You need a patent to run 17.5:1 AFR on the highway? Please.. give me the city mileage and let the laughter ensue.

There's a difference between getting 400hp/500lb-ft and 110mpg, and getting them at the same time.