The Vette is a "little" faster in acceleration, but the Porsche more than makes up for it in every other performance category.

specs? pics?

yea the bare essentials for posts like this are the engine types, power, 0-60, weight, blah blah blah. and !!slalom!! times would be nice to guys if you could find them :roll: :wink: . it would be nice to figure out a bit of the cars handling. and a simple google search will prolly give you slalom times.

The Porsche, of course... call me stupid, but I'd never choose an american car over a Porsche... :D

Corvette:

General Information
Price: $38,000
Miles Per Gallon: 18/28 mpg
Curb Weight: 3120 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V8
Displacement: 5666 cc
Horsepower: 350 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Torque: 375 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm
Redline: 6000 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 4.8 sec
0-100 mph: 11.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.6 sec @ 107 mph
Skidpad: .91g
Top Speed: 175 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 125 ft
Slalom Speed: 62.3 mph

http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/corvette4.jpg

Boxster S:

General Information
Price: $49,000
Miles Per Gallon: 18/26 mpg
Curb Weight: 2855 lbs
Layout: Mid-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: Flat-6
Displacement: 3179 cc
Horsepower: 250 bhp @ 6250 rpm
Torque: 225 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Redline: 7200 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 5.9 sec
0-100 mph: 13.6 sec
Quarter Mile: 14.0 sec @ 101 mph
Skidpad: .90g
Top Speed: 160 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 129 ft
Slalom Speed: 65.7 mph

http://www.fast-autos.net/porsche/boxsters5.jpg

I would take the Boxster with no doubt, because I don't particularly like the looks of the C5 Corvette, especially the pop-up headlights. I've never liked them on any car.

I would have to say the Boxter...and for the headlight on the C5, i also dont like the pop up headlights, except on the 89-94 240sx, and 85-90 toyota corrola hatchback. These are the only two car that i like with pop up headlights

Vette, better or not I would like to have good old american pride under my hood pluse the sweet muscle sounds.

and I really dont like how the boxer looks at all. if it was a 911 turbo then yea, but it isn't.

also thanks a bunch ckg690 for the info and taking care of some one elses topic :o .

thats the 2004 boxter s. then new one is a little faster. 0-60 is 5.7 seconds i think.

oh ya boxter for me.

i love popup headlights on esprits especially

Corvette, price is waaay better. Performance is sooo close in the turns that it's not noticeable IMO, and the 'Vette is alot faster on the straights...SO that get's my vote...

wouldn't the vette be cheaper to mod to?

I am doing the
american vs import price
the luxury sports car
engine class
ratios

Boxter S has more like 260 HP.. and the new one has like 280 HP.. anyway, this isn't the C6 vette, or even the Z06.. so it's pretty a pretty easy choice for me.. the Boxter S

i don't know.... i would prefer the vette because we have many boxter in Greece while in whole life i have saw only 2 or 3 vettes.... and the popup headlights are very nice!

wow, here in the us, there are tons and tons of corvettes, and still a bunch of boxsters though, as for the lights, i suppose it just depends on the persn :?

Corvette C5 :!:

Where are you people getting your performance stats?

According to Motor Trend...the "S" does 5.3 sec to 60mph ( the previous 5.7 post was for an automatic tiptronic trans)...13.7 sec for 1/4 mile, .93g sid pad, and 71.3mph slalom. Every perf stat accept acceleration , the Porsche kills the Vette.

In fact, the Vette stats ( besides acceleration) are similar to a Honda Accord ( braking, slalom, lat G's, etc...)

It's a no brainier...Porsche Boxster "S" is a better sports car.

eehhh, these are manufacturer stats from fast-autos.net

According to Motor Trend...the "S" does 5.3 sec to 60mph ( the previous 5.7 post was for an automatic tiptronic trans)...13.7 sec for 1/4 mile, .93g sid pad, and 71.3mph slalom. Every perf stat accept acceleration , the Porsche kills the Vette.
What about 1/4 mile, braking, and top speed?? :roll: Those happen to be pretty important performance stats. Vette for me. best bang-for-buck car on the market.

Yeah, Bang For Buck the Corvette is the best there is.

The Boxster "S" brakes better than a C5 Vette. Its not close. from 60mph-o the Porsche does 112ft. The Vette is 125ft.

Top speed the C5 Vette is about 172mph...the Porsche 165mph. But how often do any of us drive above 90mph anyways?

Bang for the buck was not the question....if it was, I'd pick a $30K Mustang Cobra or something...we are talking about which is the better of the two cars ( money no object)

The Boxster "S" brakes better than a C5 Vette. Its not close. from 60mph-o the Porsche does 112ft. The Vette is 125ft.

Top speed the C5 Vette is about 172mph...the Porsche 165mph. But how often do any of us drive above 90mph anyways?

Bang for the buck was not the question....if it was, I'd pick a $30K Mustang Cobra or something...we are talking about which is the better of the two cars ( money no object)

dont you just love it when noobs tell us what we can/cannot post in threads?

...He was dead on the money, the topic isn't on bang for buck.
So I'd think before you speak next time. 8) <-Sunglasses in the evening makes me cool. :lol:

The Boxster "S" brakes better than a C5 Vette. Its not close. from 60mph-o the Porsche does 112ft. The Vette is 125ft.

Bang for the buck was not the question....if it was, I'd pick a $30K Mustang Cobra or something...we are talking about which is the better of the two cars ( money no object)
Ok, I'm not gunna argue about the top speed thing. Unless you went to a track or you are insane and street race :wink: it doesn't matter all that much.

But does bang-for-buck not make a car better than its counter part? If one car is faster than another when they are both around the same price, is the faster car "better"? Keep in mind these are generalizations, but still.

And I think you're wrong about the Boxsters braking. The Dodge Viper goes from 0-60 in 114 feet and no production vehicle has better braking than the Dodge Viper, its been said before... and all I can find for the Boxster is 129ft.
There I thought about that one...

Actually.. the Viper goes from 60-0 in more like under 100 feet.. :wink:

But the Boxter's braking sounds right.. considering it has cross drilled rotors.

AND.. personally, i don't think the C5 corvette is the greatest in bang for buck. However, before all of you pelt me with tomatoes, the Z06 and the C6 are definetely one of the GREATEST for that.

Actually.. the Viper goes from 60-0 in more like under 100 feet.. :wink:

But the Boxter's braking sounds right.. considering it has cross drilled rotors.
I was using information from MSN Autos(not the best drivers in the world), but my point still stands.

c5
heads/cam and exhaust = 500hp
and im damn sure the 13.6 1/4 mile was done by a slow ass driver.
what was it?
0-100 11.7
and
1/4 13.6 @ 107mph
it took the vette 2 seconds to go 7mph, and the vette is pretty damn aerodynamic.
just look at the supercar challenge, no boxsters? :oops:
next time compare base boxster and base vette, so price range is a little closer and they are both base

but my point still stands.

Understood :wink:

" ask any racer a win is a win no matter by how much"????? Well, ask any racer, if a sports car needs to be more than a straight line dragster like the Vette is. Handling, agility, braking, precision, etc...all make up a sports car. They would all tell you "yes" and they would all say that the Porsche better fits that description than a base C5 Vette. Heck...if you are all about straightline performance, buy a top fuel dragster ( or a Vette).

Sometimes the shortest disance between two points is NOT is a staright line :-)

Finally, the braking numbers I posted for the Boxster "S" are indeed accurate. Confirmed by Motor trend, C&D and Road & Track. TheViper brakes are slightly stronger ( agreed)...but the Vette brakes are equal to a Honda Accord.

Bang for the buck was NOT the question. If it was we'd be talking about a Mustang Cobra and NOT a Vette. The questions remains, which of these two cars is a better sports car machine?

In my opinion, and those of many professionals in the industry, the Porsche wins.

So, a Corvette C5 can't shake a dragster on the track, and it can't beat a Honda Accord in a braking duel??

Look at the handling:
.91 for the Vette, and .90 for the PORSCHE...Now that's nitpicking yes, but you made two dumb comments, so I'm going to be cheapskate with my answers...

How about that braking:
125 feet for the American
129 feet for the German

Price difference: ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS

Now the weight difference is about 300 lbs, and the power difference makes up for the weight, alot. The Corvette I can guarentee is alot faster than those number, and if you stick to those, look at the 0-100 mph for the Boxster, and the quarter mile time for the 'Vette.

:wink:

I choose the Vette on price

If price was a decising factor the comparison is much closer. But machine to machine ( price removed from the equation), the Porsche is a better more well rounded sports car.

Im not sure where the previous poster is quoting those performance statistics from...but they are contrary to every major automotive industry publication ( Motor Trend, Car & Driver and Road & Track). Perhaps they were quoted from a Chevy website?

A base 2001 C5 Vettes braking #'s are equivalent to a Honda Accords...the slalom stats are in the Honda's favor.

Both of these statements are false. I dont know how to debate unless we keep this factual.

1. Look at the handling:
.91 for the Vette, and .90 for the PORSCHE...Now that's nitpicking yes, but you made two dumb comments, so I'm going to be cheapskate with my answers...

2. How about that braking:
125 feet for the American
129 feet for the German ( built in America)

Now lets be intelectually honest for a second. Would you prefer to have the porsche or the vette on a track? ( Id rather the vette on a drag strip, not a race track)

Motor Trend Magazine: ( note, the braking is even better than I estimated)

2003 Porsche Boxster S
Specifications
Base price $51,600
Price as tested $57,905
Vehicle layout Mid-engine, rwd, 2-door, 2-pass
Engine Flat-6 DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
Displacement, ci/cc 194.3 / 3179
Max horsepower @ rpm 258 @ 6250
Max torque @ rpm 229 @ 4500
Transmission 6-speed manual
Curb weight, lb 2999
0-60 mph, sec 5.3
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 13.76 @ 102.08
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 112
200-ft skidpad, lateral g 0.93
600-ft slalom, mph 68.3
EPA mpg, city/hwy 18/26
On sale in U.S. Currently

Honestly, I'd prefer the Corvette on the track. And some PLEASE find a MotorTrend test of the C5. Comparing my information(from MSN Autos :P ) to statistics from MotorTrend is not fair. MotorTrend always comes up with crazy test times cause their drivers are real good. So again, anyone who subscribes to MotorTrend please post some C5 test times.

This is taken directly from a Motor Trend article "Corvette 50th: Chronicling the Fastest Vettes"

"But America's longest-running sports car has always proven capable of speaking for itself--on road courses, dragstrips, salt flats, and in the record books.
Track performance speaks louder than spec charts..."

I couldn't find any specs from their site on the C5 though...

Edit: This is shaping up to be that good old stupid argument we always get into. People make generalizations that American cars are only good for straight line performance and that European cars have better handling. In some cases this is true and we all know it so for future reference lets avoid these gross generalizations. Someone could easily shoot back and say something about small engines(European ones) lacking displacement. It just never ends so lets never start it again.

i'm sorry if those were crappy specs, i was just trying to help this thread out :( :oops:

The Corvette C5 will have muuuuch faster, harder, and higher acceleration numbers out of the corners on a race track. It'll brake just as quickly as the Boxster, and FOR YOUR INFORMATION, those numbers are from the Fast-Autos website.

Also, if you wanna say the Boxster has better "feel" than a Corvette, by all means, I can't deny that, it's sublime. It's a mid-engined RWD lightweight car. But keep in mind the Corvette has a front-mid-engine layout that gives it's RWD better spin recovery than a Boxster, meaning, it's more forgiving on the edge.

So I think we're arguing two different points here, one is that you believe the Corvette is slower on the track, and belongs on the drag strip only. Which I can see millions telling you to shut it on. I see the Corvette trouncing the Boxsters lap times by a good 2 seconds. Now, the question in the air seems to be, "Which would be easier to drive and be more inate?"

Also, if I was a complete jackass I could bring up the old, "This isn't fair, compare a Z06 to a Boxster S!" In which case if you tried to convince me a Boxster S could beat a Z06 on the track, I'd laugh at you.

Either way, forgot to say, Welcome to SCF! 8)

i'm sorry if those were crappy specs, i was just trying to help this thread out :( :oops:
Not your fault at all. It's just that when he quotes Motor Trend he is quoting some of the best times out there. If anything I should have never used MSN Autos specs :lol: , they just suck...

Edit: Yeah I think I forgot to say this as well...sry
:) Welcome to SCF

And some PLEASE find a MotorTrend test of the C5

Yes, please do... if you are to compare.

Guys,

Your corvette loyalty is blinding you from the facts. Any race track in the world with more than one curve in it, renders the Corvette slower than the Boxster "S". Yes the vette will come out of a corner harder, but it will have to break earlier going in and slow down while in the corner due to its large boat like handling. It's not me saying this...its the automotive industry that has compared sports cars on the track for years. I'm sorry its hard for you to accept.

Sure the Z06 is faster, but you seam to want to consistantly change the topic to "bang for the buck" or to compare the Z06. If you are going to start comparing a Z06, then lets bring in the Porsche 911 Turbo, or a Dodge Viper. Stick to the comparison ( Bpxster "S" or C5 base vette)

I like Vettes. They are American Muscle cars and deserve respect. But the Boxster "S" is far better on a track ( as is the new 4cyl Lotus Elise).

you spelled seem wrong.

I have no loyalty to any car name except McLaren, and that's not happening anytime soon. The misconceptions every other person seems to have is that all American cars can do is go. And they got that in the muscle car era, when nobody but Ferrari and Aston Martin could keep straight line pace might-I-add, and of course the Porsche's...

The Corvette was built from day one to beat 911's, not the "Porsche with panties" a.k.a the Boxster. Now, let's say that Corvette is loaded with the Z51 suspension kit, there is NO WAY a Boxster S will keep pace with it on the turns. THE CORVETTE only weighs 200lbs more, it's got fat rear tires, a large torquey motor far enough back to not cause understeer, and that torque is kept largely in check due to the fat rear tires. Thus, curing oversteer, most of the time. :wink:

Look at Sports Car International's issue when they did a track test of the Z06, GT3, and EVO 8, the Z06 was off the GT3's time by about 1 second. Now, take the Z51 suspension from a C5 and the loss of power might set it back about, what? Another 3 or 4 seconds?
So, do you think a Boxster would be within 5 seconds of a GT3 on a track, I hiiiiighly doubt it.

Also, I'm not bringing up price from here on out, but I want to see some quotes from the automotive world saying the Boxster will beat a C5 on a track. I too have read almost every single car magazine, import mags, CAR, EVO, Car and Driver and Motor Trend both get my subscription money, so does Sports Car International, who coincidentally puts out two other magazines called, "Corvette" and "Excellence", the second is Porsche only. They also do "Forza" for the Ferrari fans, trust me when I say these two are neck and neck. I think you need to clarify if you're trying to say the Boxster S is more inate to fast lap times or it will actually set them. The first part I can believe whole heartedly, but not the second.

i dont know how else to say it; the Boxster "S" will post better track/lap times than the Chevy. It has been proven in almost everyone of the major automotive magazines. Cars like the M3, Lotus Elise, and Porsche Boxster "S" all beat the Vette on the track. While the base C5 may beat these cars in a straight line ( accept for the M3), it does not have the braking or the agility to hang with them on a track. I'm not sure what it would take to convince you that you are wrong. Raw statistics from Motor Trend mag didnt do it. Stats from Car & Driver didnt do it. What gives?

The Z06 does and will probably beat them all. However, bring in a 911 Turbo and the Z06 takes a back seat in every category.

"Porsche with panties" I'll give you that one...that was funny. But what does that make the C5 when it is losing on the track to a car wearing panties?

Gimme some actual tests those mags did, I've read the last two years worth of all of those, they NEVER did a comparo of the two. Sheesh, alot that I've read says the Vette will keep pace if not beat those cars. Not the M3, or the Elise, which, JUST GOT HERE, so if you're comparing that to the Corvette, I KNOW they've never tested those two against eachother.

Also, here's Motor Trends braking stats from 60 mph...Z51 Vette: 110 feet Boxster S: 110ft...
Slalom: Vette: 66.2, Boxster S: 70.9...
1/4 mile: Corvette: 12.7 @ 112.3 mph Boxster S: 13.8 @ 102.4 mph...

The difference on the straights and cornering speeds should ideally cancel eachother out. So, we've learned via that info, they'll go into the turns at different speeds, but the Corvette's motor will nullify the speed differential through the turns since at 110 that thing still pulls like a train. Problem is they don't have the figure eight times for the vette...=(

The shortest distance between point A and point B is a straight line. However, ask any car enthusiast to plot the same route and it is never as simple as connecting the two dots with a straightedge. We hunt for spaghetti-noodle paths with the most twists and turns. Never mind how fast we need to reach our destination. Yes, a car's abilities to accelerate quickly and reach a blistering top speed are desirable. But it is the vehicle's handling dynamics, its ability to drive swiftly through various corners, that make for a complete and exhilarating driving experience. - sorry a Vett does not fit this mold.

Road & Track "Get a Grip" article, did a comparo between the boxster "S" and the Z06...the base Vette wasnt close enough on the track for them to justify a comparison. The Z06 won...but not by much.

Ohhhh...Ok, that's a 3 year old article, but pertanent nonetheless, thank you.

And I agree the Boxster is a fluid driver's car. But I'll stick with the more neck snapping and crisp handling of the Corvette. Roadster, with forest green bodywork please. 8)

Lemme just say a few things. I never brought up the Z06 here(or even the Z51 suspension package), because that would kill the comparison. I did however bring up bang-for-buck because your original post was so amazingly vague. That is why I brought up bang-for-buck and value in general.

Well, I'm staying out of this comparo...It's too damn vague...

I try to stay out of most comparo's

"Corvette's reputation as the loudmouthed bad boy, the brawny bully who out-muscled the opposition even if it couldn't out-handle or out-brake them, was certainly earned over the past half century. But like Morgan said, it is these very characteristics that have endeared the Corvette to legions of devotees around the world." -Richard Prince, Sports Car International

It doesn't matter if the Porsche is worth $50K and the vette only $30K
It doesn't matter that Porsche brand carries more cachet then Chevy
It doesn't matter that the Porsche has all the eyeballs when they pull up to the mall
It doesn't matter that the Porsche wins at the track

If the Vette catches you at the red light, you're toast..."you'll never leave the locker room alive you friggin' weakling...I'll knock you to tomorrow...and if you tell about the other day at the track, YOU ARE dead meat, DO you understand???"...

....Uh Oh, did I just SAY that out loud...sorry...

I mean...I think the vette is an American classic...

The only thing I found on competitive lap times confirms your crackpot statement about the track.

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-32546/nbring/laptimes%20for%20different%20cars.htm

So what. That's 'cause I wasn't driving.

I think the vette is better in general. I would rather get the vette and put an additional 20 grand into the vette theres is alot you could do with 20 grand :twisted: but that is if you were to.

There you have it! 8)

I'd also be less crazy toy...

personally, i'd take the lotus elise and forget these

Ditto, but that's NOT THE CHOICE GIIIIIIRL! :lol: j/k

Ditto, but that's NOT THE CHOICE GIIIIIIRL! :lol: j/k
lol, good point, but i'm not the one bringing up z06, z51, gt3, evo

Well...there it is. The debate was settled. The porsche "S" is a better track car than a C5 Vette and a better all around performer. Yes the Vette wins in acceleration, but that's it.

I'm sorry you Vette guys got frustrated when the track times spoke. Like I said, I like Vettes. Ive always been a vette fan. I would never want to own one though. I'd rather own a Porsche.

Case closed.

wow those are really old track times. an audi s4 doesnt have 265 hp, that was with the 2.7 liter bi-turbo engine. these times are like 3 years old.

anyway id really like to see a comparo done with the c6 and boxter S because i know what the vote would be, unanimusly.

Word up, but to cry un-fair in this is kind of stupid. It wouldn't have been nearly as fun arguing with Tuna if it was a Z06 and a Boxster S. Ok, so the Vette lost, I'm still going to keep it as my choice. That extra grunt will help me to pass Boxster S's on highways. :D

Changing the comparison is one way to win a debate I guess.

If you guys are going to talk about the best Vette ( C6 or Z06) then I suggest we talk about the 911 Turbo or the Carerra GT Porsche. Either of those cars destroy any kind of Vette you want to put up :-)

I'm not going to, but next time you start a comparo...Make it a little more directed, not just "Porsche Boxster S or C5 Base Corvette, let's face it, you chose one you could win...And there is NO WAY you can compare a Corvette to a Carrera GT.

I thought that was pretty specific. Porsche Boxster "S" vs C5 Corvette. I'm sorry you dont like the results of the comparison that concludes the "S" is a better all around sports car. But we did conclude the Vette was faster in acceleration...that should make you happy.

Again, I dont dislike Vettes. I drive my friends from time to time and am impressed by the brute force. But this is a web forum where car enthusiat like us can chatter about meaningless car subjects; and thats exactly what I wanted to do by starting this comparison.

How about this one. 2004 Mercedes C32 AMG vs 2004 Audi S4 vs 2004 BMW M3?

If you guys are going to talk about the best Vette ( C6 or Z06) then I suggest we talk about the 911 Turbo or the Carerra GT Porsche. Either of those cars destroy any kind of Vette you want to put up

You know.. theres a little something called "fairness" that should be in a comparison.. :roll: a standard, like PRICE. :o

Boxster "S" and a C5 are pretty close in base price. If you want to talk bang for the buck...I'd pick a Mustant Cobra SVT. As fast as a vette and almost 18K cheaper.

OK, I admit it, the Carerra GT is in another stratosphere :-)

I thought that was pretty specific. Porsche Boxster "S" vs C5 Corvette. I'm sorry you dont like the results of the comparison that concludes the "S" is a better all around sports car. But we did conclude the Vette was faster in acceleration...that should make you happy.

Again, I dont dislike Vettes. I drive my friends from time to time and am impressed by the brute force. But this is a web forum where car enthusiat like us can chatter about meaningless car subjects; and thats exactly what I wanted to do by starting this comparison.

How about this one. 2004 Mercedes C32 AMG vs 2004 Audi S4 vs 2004 BMW M3?

I don't see anywhere on here where the Porsche automaticlly won anything. That Vette is a better car. I would rather have that over the Porsche anyday of the week.

HP doesn't move a car. Torque does.
375 vs 225 VETTE

0 to 60
4.8 vs 5.9 VETTE

Top speed
175 vs 160 VETTE

Skidpad
.91 vs .90 VETTE

The only aera's the Porsche won was the braking and the Slalom. For that, the price of the Vette MORE than offsets those numbers.

Boxster "S" and a C5 are pretty close in base price. If you want to talk bang for the buck...I'd pick a Mustant Cobra SVT. As fast as a vette and almost 18K cheaper.

Well.. isn't the Z06's base price closer to the Boxter S? Plus, how is comparing the top of the 911 line and the top of the corvette line fair at all? Why not the top of a Boxter line, and the top of a corvette line?

And the cobra is fast as a vette around a track? i'm guessing it can barely beat it on a straight line.. but thats a whole new topic, so i'll shut up about it.

how about we talk about C5 Base Vette vs. Boxster "S" ???

just a though :roll:

Actually, when you compare the C5 vette convertible to the Boxter S.. everything seems to make so much more sense.. :o But when you bring in the C6.. :twisted:

Anyway, I guess I have a reason to stick with the topic now, so :wink:

why is it everytime a c5 vette fan begins to lose the argument on facts, they change the subject to 'bang for the buck' or they change cars to a z06?

The porsche is a more refined, agile, precision machine. It does everything ( accept acceleration...and even that is pretty close) better than the vette.

I guess a sign the c5 Vette fans have lost the debate, is they are attempting to change it.

I like vettes!
I like Porsches better!

if you are going to start claiming victory based on torque #'s I think you are reaching a bit. A tractor has a lot of torque too, but that doesnt make it a good sports car.

The c5 Vette loses to the Boxster "S" in slalom, skid pad, braking, gas mileage, build quality, comfort, precision, emergency lane change manuvers, driving excitement, and over all prestige. Oh yeah, the vette wins in acceleration but 2-3 tenths of a second.

Common folks, its a no brainer.

Tuna, you made a poorly thought out comparison with no defining factors in the intial post. Next time, define what you want the topic to be on. 8)

if you are going to start claiming victory based on torque #'s I think you are reaching a bit. A tractor has a lot of torque too, but that doesnt make it a good sports car.

The c5 Vette loses to the Boxster "S" in slalom, skid pad, braking, gas mileage, build quality, comfort, precision, emergency lane change manuvers, driving excitement, and over all prestige. Oh yeah, the vette wins in acceleration but 2-3 tenths of a second.

Common folks, its a no brainer.

Emmmm, your obviously firm in your choice, which makes me ask, why would you have started this thread to begin with? You don't really care what the polls show, your just here to argue your point.

I would choose the vette, don't bash me. I know what it takes to win races. Your comparison for the comfort/build quality is invalid slick. Those points lead to an untenable argument. I have seen just as many Porsches on the side of the road as Vettes.

I have been into cars my entire life (34 y/o) , there are some good Porsches out there, and there are some dog assed vettes(especially the mid 80's) , but don't tell me it's a no brainer. Respect my opinion as I respect yours. The Boxters are just not that impressive to me. :smt066

if you are going to start claiming victory based on torque #'s I think you are reaching a bit. A tractor has a lot of torque too, but that doesnt make it a good sports car.

The c5 Vette loses to the Boxster "S" in slalom, skid pad, braking, gas mileage, build quality, comfort, precision, emergency lane change manuvers, driving excitement, and over all prestige. Oh yeah, the vette wins in acceleration but 2-3 tenths of a second.

Common folks, its a no brainer.

ifyou aren't curious to what people say, why the hell did you make the topic :? :roll:

BACK ON THE DAMN TOPIC! If you guys want to have a spat do it off the topic, this is just getting silly

The "topic" is FINISHED...If we try to change it, Tuna, the thread starter claims that's not what it's about. Make a new one, and I'm there...Otherwise, it's dead. :?

Then delete this damn topic and lets start one in the sportcarforums forum ca;;ed the fight topic for **** like this

I don't think I should lock it just yet, I kinda like the debate going on here... :)
It hasn't gotten seriously off track (yet).

ca;;ed
:smt046

whoa i butchered that didn't i

I mean no ill will towards ya' 12 inch pianist, obviously, it's just this topic which I clearly argued my rear off on was pretty much set up from the get go to be fixed. That's all, I'm not even upset because really, it doesn't mean that much it's just alot of ill will has been taking place on SCF lately...Not too happy about that.

And on the topic...The braking and cornering of the Vette are better...Both are critical track figures, as such, those are terribly important to the track aficinado. "Feel" won't stop you from running into a tree. :P

Folks...I sense a great deal of frustration from the Vette fans. I thought the comparison was crystal clear. Which car is a better all around sports car? Thats it period. When the stats were reveiled by neutral sources, it showed the Boxster "S" was better in every category besides acceleration ( and that was close). Not liking the results caused Vette fans to change the argument to bang for the buck and/or the Z06 vs the Boxster "S".

I thought this forum was a place where car fanatics could debate, share opinions and have a little fun talking about the subject they love. Why are some of you insistant on me taking a "poll" to determine which car I think is a better sports car, like some sort of Politician from Massachuttes ( sorry).

I'm comfortable ( if the moderator is) in ending this thread. It has been concluded that the Boxster "S" is a better all around performer than the C5 Vette.

( and debating facts is in no way "disrespecting opinions"... common folks)

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thats the 53rd time youve used that picture.

Im new to this forum...is that how things usually go? One side gets upset by the opinions of others or the facts in this case and lashes out at the thread?

Nice.

it's the 2nd time i've used that pic, and if you read my posts i'm a boxster fan and i prefer the boxster, so maybe you should read first tuna.....

Im new to this forum...is that how things usually go? One side gets upset by the opinions of others or the facts in this case and lashes out at the thread?
It only happens when someone picks a non-american car over an american car. :lol:

Ok, screw this...READ THE VERY FIRST POST!!!
The Vette is a "little" faster in acceleration, but the Porsche more than makes up for it in every other performance category.

The purpose of all of our comparisons isn't to find the better sports car. We come up with all sorts of different guidelines. Bang for buck, better daily driver, track car, etc...

You're topic title has nothing to do with any of those, it just has the two cars. That's not the problem, the problem was: You didn't set any guidelines until...FIFTEEN POSTS were made. And even THEN, you said

It's a no brainier...Porsche Boxster "S" is a better sports car.

You never said, "That's what we're here to discuss, which is the better sports car."

Instead, you left out this important thing we call a PURPOSE.
Now, I'm upset since this went from fun arguing to accusations to this...

Next time, just put in what you want discussed. I'd personally pick the Corvette over the Porsche because I like it more. Not because the Boxster S is a crap car, it's excellent, but because of the price. Money no object I'd still pick it because it's more usable day to day and faster on the highway, where a non-track car usually spends its time.

It only happens when someone picks a non-american car over an american car.

Not true at all, look at some past arguements we've all been in. There have been numerous "BMW" or "Mercedes Benz" or "Audi" or "Aston Martin", we've all equally done the same thing here.

I was kidding. :P

Ok, sorry...I was in a tizzy over the last thing Tuna wrote.

At the end of the road, the C6 comes into play ('bout there aren't we?) and the 'vette regains it's performance for less crown.

Folks...I sense a great deal of frustration from the Vette fans. I thought the comparison was crystal clear. Which car is a better all around sports car? Thats it period. When the stats were reveiled by neutral sources, it showed the Boxster "S" was better in every category besides acceleration ( and that was close). Not liking the results caused Vette fans to change the argument to bang for the buck and/or the Z06 vs the Boxster "S".

I thought this forum was a place where car fanatics could debate, share opinions and have a little fun talking about the subject they love. Why are some of you insistant on me taking a "poll" to determine which car I think is a better sports car, like some sort of Politician from Massachuttes ( sorry).

I'm comfortable ( if the moderator is) in ending this thread. It has been concluded that the Boxster "S" is a better all around performer than the C5 Vette.

( and debating facts is in no way "disrespecting opinions"... common folks)

Actually, my only frustration comes from you. I am both a vette and a Porsche fan. I like em both. Vette has put out some great cars, and some real POS, same as Porsche. When you start a poll thread, you are asking everyone ..."whats you opinion,? or which would you rather have?" I stated my opinion, and that should have been the end of it. I should not have to come back on and defend my point of view.

I know your new here.... fine, a little ignorance is OK. Arguments are not OK on a POLL THREAD that YOU started. I gave you my opinion, to me Vette is clearly a better car , live with it. :smt093

Yeah, you are right...I should have shaped my suggestion for a comparison thread in a way that was clearly biased towards the Vette. Common guys...you sound like John Kerry.

Look...it's "my" comparison suggestion. "I" asked which of the two cars is a better all around sports car. Thas all. Nothing derrogatory in that right? Nothing that attacks Vette fans in that right?

After the discussion played out and raw statistics were brought to light; Vette guys tried to change the comparison to a Z06 or start talking bang for the buck.

Oh well....the good news after all of this is that in "MY OPINION", a conclusion has been reached. The "S" is a better all around performer than the C5 Vette.

The truth is hard to accept sometimes I know.

Tuna, quote where you said to us, "This comparison is about which is the better sports car, not bang for buck, and the way we'll determine better sports car is via track times."

YOU KEPT COPPING OUT OF THE ARGUMENT.

I don't care that the Corvette lost, I'm PISSED OFF because you made me dance around for FIVE DAMN PAGES on a topic you had RIGGED, yes, RIGGGGGED to win.

NEXT TIME, in your first post, write, "This is what we will decide based on: Track times"

In which case, ya' know what screw it...You're impossible to move on this highly flawed argument.

AND I'm GONNA GO VOTE KERRY NOW! :D

Uh....Ghalos....shouldnt you be out on a ledge somewhere? LOL!!! Pull yourself together.

I never said track times determine a better sports car ( although most would probably agree that is the best way to measure).

I think it was concluded that the Boxster "S" is a better all around sportscar than the C5 Vette for the following reasons:

The Vette wins in "1" performance category. Acceleration ( barely).
The Vette loses in every other category known to man. Slalom, braking, lateral g's, track times, agility, etc.....

( I dont think Keryr would "approve of your message" or you being his spokesman. LOL!!!)

No, I'm pretty pissed, you made me write almost 15 posts that basically meant nothing, JUST BE CLEARER NEXT TIME IN THE FIRST POST. :roll:

Yeah, you are right...I should have shaped my suggestion for a comparison thread in a way that was clearly biased towards the Vette. Common guys...you sound like John Kerry.

Look...it's "my" comparison suggestion. "I" asked which of the two cars is a better all around sports car. Thas all. Nothing derrogatory in that right? Nothing that attacks Vette fans in that right?

After the discussion played out and raw statistics were brought to light; Vette guys tried to change the comparison to a Z06 or start talking bang for the buck.

Oh well....the good news after all of this is that in "MY OPINION", a conclusion has been reached. The "S" is a better all around performer than the C5 Vette.

The truth is hard to accept sometimes I know.

You have just beel labeled as a "Troller" =D>

No other comments from me...not even worth it.....

Are you nuts? Nobody made you write anything. Holy crap. What the heck kind of message board environment is this. Are you people capable of actually discussing cars without taking it personal if your car's statistics come up short on the race track? Or if others disagree with you? This is a bizzare thread.

I think the Boxster "S" is a better all around sports car than the C5 Vette. Does anybody want to discuss that or are all the Vette owners too imature to carry on?

...and what the hell is a "troller"?

No, we have a pretty good environment here, but you make snotty little comments everynow and then, like:
Now lets be intelectually honest for a second.

Any race track in the world with more than one curve in it
Nurburgring, the Corvette broke the 8 minute mark...
its the automotive industry that has compared sports cars on the track for years. I'm sorry its hard for you to accept
Changing the comparison is one way to win a debate I guess.
I kept changing it because my answers were met with, "That's not what we're discussing, NEXT TIME, PLeeeeeease just write in the first post, "The topic here is: Which is your pick based on this situation...Be it racing, daily driver, or something else.
[/quote]But we did conclude the Vette was faster in acceleration...that should make you happy.
Comments that are downplayers and dysphemism's don't make me happy.
why is it everytime a c5 vette fan begins to lose the argument on facts, they change the subject to 'bang for the buck' or they change cars to a z06?
It sounds like you've done this comparo before, look, just make the point clear next time in the opening post.
guess a sign the c5 Vette fans have lost the debate, is they are attempting to change it.
Common folks, its a no brainer
"common folks"?? That had better have been a mispelled thing, otherwise that's not nice.
and debating facts is in no way "disrespecting opinions"... common folks
That's twice...
Yeah, you are right...I should have shaped my suggestion for a comparison thread in a way that was clearly biased towards the Vette. Common guys
Ok, that's three times...It's COME ON, not "Common"...
The truth is hard to accept sometimes I know.

Does anybody want to discuss that or are all the Vette owners too imature to carry on?

Yes, I am quite immature for spending this much damn time on a topic that was unclear and vague from the 1st page onwards.

I've cooled down some from my last few posts.
So here's my message, next time you want to start a comparison, have specifications for both, or all if more than two cars...The reason we can't discuss it here is because you took away the Corvette's major defense, pricing. You also put the lowliest corvette against the highest Boxster. That's not even in car magazine's, and do you know why? It's because IT'S A POINTLESS ARGUMENT.

And with this, I'm finished with this thread, and you've noticed I've started my own, argue whatever variants, reasons, etc...
8)

Oops... :oops:

I reversed the quote and response functions. Mine are the "quotes", Tuna's are the other one's. :oops:

Also, a "troller" is a person who is pretty much an attention whore and someone who disrupts the status quo on the internet...

Well the next time anybody in here wants to start a thread for discussion, we will be sure to check in with you to see if it meets your approval. We will also ask your permission to continue with the thread and ensure it does not conflict with your personal believes. LOL!

If the C5 Vette's "biggest defense" is its pricing", then I think you have proven my point. The Boxster "S" is a better all around sports car than the C5 Vette. The Boxster "S's" biggest defense is its track numbers.