Which one would you park in your garage? American muscle (Chrysler 300 SRT-8) or German finesse (BMW 335i). I'd personally take the BMW. More my style of vehicle in terms of performance, looks, etc. Plus you can get a manual!


2008 Chrysler 300 SRT-8


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*MSRP: $44,360
*RWD
*6.1L V8
*425 bhp @ 6,000 rpm
*420 lb ft tq. @ 4,800 rpm
*5 speed automatic
*4178 lbs
*13/18 mpg





2008 BMW 335i

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*MSRP: $38,900
*RWD
*3.0L I6
*300 bhp @ 5,800 rpm
*300 lb ft tq. @ 1,400-5,000 rpm
*6 speed manual
*3,605 lbs
*19/28 mpg

Neither really...Give me a SRT-8 Charger...
or a SRT-8 Cherokee..

BTW Or shoulda had it go against the Bimmer coupe...looks much nicer

Interesting comparo.

I've driven both of these and the 335i gets my vote. The 300 SRT-8 is a big boat with alot of power.

I like the BMW's looks, power, and price, but at the end of the day I'd wish it was an M3.

...Because that's the *real* "uber-3-series", this is for those who can't afford one.

Which is why I chose the 300 SRT-8, there's no 300C better than it. It's top dog.

I think it Was supposedly better to include an M3 , indentical power output and all , but the beemer would definately cost alot .

I'de pick the SRT-8 . its more powerfull, has bigger interior space than the 3-series and costs pretty much good considering the power it offers . shame its auto only .

The Chrysler. Sure the BMW would be a better choice, as it's more reliable, has the best engine in the world and is more economic.
BUT.... but but. If the BMW is the metrosexual guy in a suit who drinks Martini and has 14 different hair products on the bathroom shelf, the 300C is the guy with the tattoos who can drink a beer in 4 seconds flat, belch like a donkey and pisses in the bushes - The first one's more stylish, but who'd you rater drink a beer with?

And it don't matter if you park it, cruise down the street or drive like a moron out of hell; it will always get as much attention as a Ferrari... Well, at least in Europe.

The 335i is way more of a drivers car, hence its my pick. I don't think I'd have as much fun, or feel as safe in the SRT8, as cool as it is.

The Chrysler. Sure the BMW would be a better choice, as it's more reliable, has the best engine in the world and is more economic.
BUT.... but but. If the BMW is the metrosexual guy in a suit who drinks Martini and has 14 different hair products on the bathroom shelf, the 300C is the guy with the tattoos who can drink a beer in 4 seconds flat, belch like a donkey and pisses in the bushes - The first one's more stylish, but who'd you rater drink a beer with?

And it don't matter if you park it, cruise down the street or drive like a moron out of hell; it will always get as much attention as a Ferrari... Well, at least in Europe.


Do me a favor Tom, drop your attempts at humor. Thanks.

BMW
Cheaper, much better gas mileage, better interior, not so bulky.

Neither really...Give me a SRT-8 Charger...
or a SRT-8 Cherokee..

BTW Or shoulda had it go against the Bimmer coupe...looks much nicer


Neither isn't an option. Also, Charger was too down market to compare against the 335i. And lastly, I know the coupe looks nicer, my dad owns one actually, but to compare a BMW 3-Series COUPE against a Chrysler 300 SEDAN makes this comparo make even less sense than it did in the first place (which wasn't much..)


Also, to those suggesting the M3: the price difference would have been extraordinary.


Ghalos: Yeah about that other locked thread I introduced yesterday...this was what it was supposed to be, needless to say I accidentally pressed the submit button a tad too early...haha

Do me a favor Tom, drop your attempts at humor. Thanks.It was not an attampt of humour... well, that too, but it was mainly to point out the difference between the cars.

Ghalos: Yeah about that other locked thread I introduced yesterday...this was what it was supposed to be, needless to say I accidentally pressed the submit button a tad too early...haha

Yeah, I kinda' guessed as much, it's ok.

I would go for the BMW, simply because it's a more driver-oriented car, and it has the option of a manual transmission

I'd also like to add that the interior of the 300, along with most Chryslers, is something of a bad joke. Now the 3-Series sure doesn't have a class leading interior, thats the 2009 Audi A4...but boy does it surpass the hunks of drab and cheap plastic in the 300.

^I've sat in both an M3 and 300C, and honestly, there's no difference.

The styling, how certain things are shown off, are different, but the tactile feel of the stuff is virtually identical.

...

Or I could cut corners and say, "Mercedes designed it", and everyone would go, "Well, the reason the 300C is the only good American interior is because a German company paid for it".

...But, they didn't do the design.

...;)

The BMW obviously.
Has a peach of an engine, torqy and reving, and is addicted to powerslide.
The 300C looks nice but is rubbish to drive, i only like it in touring version.
If was in a market for a V8 muscle car for similar amount of money i would get a Monaro...

^I've sat in both an M3 and 300C, and honestly, there's no difference.

The styling, how certain things are shown off, are different, but the tactile feel of the stuff is virtually identical.

...

Or I could cut corners and say, "Mercedes designed it", and everyone would go, "Well, the reason the 300C is the only good American interior is because a German company paid for it".

...But, they didn't do the design.

...;)


I suppose...but at the same time, the details make the difference. In a BMW, any BMW, you're looking at real wood. In a 300, most notably a 300C, you're looking at plastic faux tortoise shell. That's a difference in materials that is noticeable even to the untrained eye. And while materials may be sourced from similar locales, the fit and finish, that is, the way they are stuck together, and the gaps (or lack thereof) present make a big difference. Some things cannot be ignored.

SRT please. All models of the 300 right now are very spacious. The SRT models of them are no exeption either.

I like the Bimmer, but SRT and Damiler vehicles are my thing.

Do me a favor Tom, drop your attempts at humor. Thanks.

Oh, crap, I forgot it AGAIN! -Ghalos, your king of this place, and thats why we all should follow exactly what you dictate!
-So thats why, that you can allow yourself to tell Tom K. what to write and not to write...tell me, what is accepted for you - a demeaning aggresive tone?

Whats yor problem man, I'm just glad that Tom makes me smile in his way of expressing his opinions, are you saying that humor shoulnd't be accepted?

This comparision is like saying 'which one would you take to hit the other one with?' .
I'm gonna go with the Hemi since it looks bigger and it's a V8 !!!

I'd take the 300 only because I prefer the looks. If I were to go near a 3 series I'd just move up to an M6...

Oh, crap, I forgot it AGAIN! -Ghalos, your king of this place, and thats why we all should follow exactly what you dictate!
-So thats why, that you can allow yourself to tell Tom K. what to write and not to write...tell me, what is accepted for you - a demeaning aggresive tone?

Whats yor problem man, I'm just glad that Tom makes me smile in his way of expressing his opinions, are you saying that humor shoulnd't be accepted?
You're intelligent. lol

Oh, crap, I forgot it AGAIN! -Ghalos, your king of this place, and thats why we all should follow exactly what you dictate!
-So thats why, that you can allow yourself to tell Tom K. what to write and not to write...tell me, what is accepted for you - a demeaning aggresive tone?

Whats yor problem man, I'm just glad that Tom makes me smile in his way of expressing his opinions, are you saying that humor shoulnd't be accepted?

Simon, first, you got an infraction for that because there was no need for that post, you could have sent that to me in a private message, but you didn't.

Second, the reason I said that is none of your concern, and more importantly, I won't make it a public discussion about why.

In the future, keep your snide-ass remarks to PM's or the appropriate threads.

The SRT-8. I'm not really sure why I'm drawn to that car. Maybe I just realize it's most likely a little more comfortable, and that it would be absolutely badass in black with straight pipes, new wheels, and maybe some other goodies. Save the manuals for the coupes.

what is the link for that autobanned site that wesley did?
I feel that now would be the time for post it:D

Neither isn't an option. Also, Charger was too down market to compare against the 335i. And lastly, I know the coupe looks nicer, my dad owns one actually, but to compare a BMW 3-Series COUPE against a Chrysler 300 SEDAN makes this comparo make even less sense than it did in the first place (which wasn't much..)


A: Neither is ALWAYS an option
B: The Charger is too down market? How so?

Allow Driftster to Explain....
Add a sunroof and a 6 disc CD changer to the Dodge Charger SRT-8 and it's within 1,000 dollars of the 300C SRT-8.

on top of that, the Charger comes with leather, as does the 300c, oh my golly gosh..

Now go ahead and built your 300c on the chysler site and you'll see that for 44,000 you get less than a 43,000 dollar charger (the only difference being the 6 disc in dash CD changer and sun roof)

On top of that you get a car with a better exterior IMHO a car that isn't flooding the streets of suburban america and a car that can run 12.7 in the 1/4 mile


so really don't see how the Charger is "down market" is it because it's a "dodge"?? or is it because you don't really know either car that well.
Also, to those suggesting the M3: the price difference would have been extraordinary.

This is very easy. If the Chrysler was less expensive, I would give it some thought. But it isn't. So the 335i sedan is the clear winner for me. It handles better, costs less, looks better, and weighs less. Yes, it does have less raw power, that doesn't matter much to me. It's still mighty fast with "only" 300 hp.

I'd agree with Ghalos here. The 335i is just not the M3i. Plus, I don't like the 335i sedan's styling.

The SRT-8 on the other hand, somehow looks "better" in my eyes. I dunno but its exterior styling nails me in the eyes. The interior is also not so bad at all IMO, even if I've never sat in one. It's got a grunty V8 and the top of the 300C line. Plus, it is rare to see a 300C in Jakarta than a BMW. Or maybe because I'm a V8 junkie? :D.

Chrysler 300 never really hit my spot, plus the SRT-8 is discontinued ( I wonder why). The SRT-8 300C never had been popular, Charger is better. So I'll take the Beemer on this one.

I would take the BMW, Cos Fuel prices in the UK are now over $2.50 for only one litre, S**T im doin 32-35 mpg in my TYPE R drivin like miss daisy and still cant afford it!

If I were really rich, I'd get the SRT8, it looks like just plain fun. I'd LOVE to own one if I can afford it along with the gas.

And the 335i doesn't really stand out,imo, you see a 3 series everyday on the road.

the 3 series fit my bill better in every catagoy

this is such a funny comparo. A 300hp i6 @ a 425hp v8, and the less powerful car wins. just goes to show you how bad americans are at making cars

this is such a funny comparo. A 300hp i6 @ a 425hp v8, and the less powerful car wins. just goes to show you how bad americans are at making cars

Yeah, we sure do suck.

*rolls eyes*

How does it lose?

It doesn't lose via power, it doesn't lose via trunk space, it doesn't lose via standout factor, it doesn't lose via interior space.

So, how *does* it lose?

Ghalos, it loses because people would rather have a Bimmer parked in their driveway because they are busy admiring logo's instead of what you pay for..

let's build a bimmer!!!!

335i sedan....

base
39,675
With NO leather..

Add Leather
41,125

SRT-8 = sporty therefore you should add the sport package to the bimmer right???
42,825

SRT-8's got Variable steering....
Bimmer it costs extra
44,225

Auto transmissions right???
If you get the sport package then along with the Auto you MUST have paddle shifters..
that brings the price too
45,600

SRT-8's got premium wheels stock.....
Bimmer has 3 choices..I'll pick the cheapest set
47,020

6 Disc CD Changer (NOT IN DASH?!?!?!? WTF in the trunk..Lame!!!)
47,780

ok that leaves you with 2 way adjustable power seats..compared to the SRT-8's zillion way adjustables..
so let's upgrade the bimmer so that it's interior quality is "on par"
with the premium package which gives you
power seats, full leather, power mirrors, and a garage door opener!!!(gasp)

Now we're at 51,280

and now keyless entry
+500 bucks

Grand total.....$$$$51,780


Vs the Chryslers.....44,000 with all the above and is much faster....... lol the bimmer wins though somehow right?...

Yeah, we sure do suck.

*rolls eyes*

How does it lose?

It doesn't lose via power, it doesn't lose via trunk space, it doesn't lose via standout factor, it doesn't lose via interior space.

So, how *does* it lose?
If anybody says quality, go ask any Bimmer owner or spend 10 minutes on the Internet searching BMW quality testimonials.

I'd take the 300 only because I prefer the looks. If I were to go near a 3 series I'd just move up to an M6...

I don't know if you noticed, but comparing the 3series to an M6 is like comparing apples to, ohhhh, maybe... the ACOPACLYPSE!


They both have great engines, good interiors, and marginal styling. So basically this comes down to blistering strait line speed or corner eating. I'll go with the strait line because there are way more drag strips than road courses by me.

Yeah, we sure do suck.

*rolls eyes*

How does it lose?

It doesn't lose via power, it doesn't lose via trunk space, it doesn't lose via standout factor, it doesn't lose via interior space.

So, how *does* it lose?
It losses via handling.
It's a muscle car and can't do corners like the bimeer can.
Can't powerslide like the bimmer.
Has crappy steering and differential unlike the bimmer.
Would be outperformed on any track by the bimmer.
It's based on an E-class Merc so actually it's not a genuine Chrysler.
A single camshaft V8 engine? Man...
It's not a drivers car like the bimmer at all...
I would only have it in touring version, that's the only way that it's cool.

BMW: One of the best, if not the best engine makers around
I'd take the 335i coupe over the sedan though.

If anybody says quality, go ask any Bimmer owner or spend 10 minutes on the Internet searching BMW quality testimonials.

I'm a former bimmer owner..and yeah they are quality..

Although i got sick of bright orange lights in my face, and their leather bolsters wore out EXTREMELY fast, not to mention their sun roof coming off track quite often, aswell as the hastle it was to put new CD's in the car, and the fact that their HK tweeters blew out like crazy and cost 300 dollars to replace......

But other than that, it made a nice noise with a new air filter and the cat unhooked..and made some of the most perfect circle donuts i've ever seen.

and mad skillz, you obviously never in your live drove a bimmer that didn't have a sports package option with tighter than stock suspension..

because they can have a hell of alot of body roll yes even bimmers..

on top of that, the "feeling the road" idea....sucks ass when you don't want to be driving a race car..

Ex....328's, 325's ETC....anyone who's driven either of those can attest to it being AS rough of a ride as a M3...which is stupid

A: Neither is ALWAYS an option
B: The Charger is too down market? How so?

Allow Driftster to Explain....
Add a sunroof and a 6 disc CD changer to the Dodge Charger SRT-8 and it's within 1,000 dollars of the 300C SRT-8.

on top of that, the Charger comes with leather, as does the 300c, oh my golly gosh..

Now go ahead and built your 300c on the chysler site and you'll see that for 44,000 you get less than a 43,000 dollar charger (the only difference being the 6 disc in dash CD changer and sun roof)

On top of that you get a car with a better exterior IMHO a car that isn't flooding the streets of suburban america and a car that can run 12.7 in the 1/4 mile


so really don't see how the Charger is "down market" is it because it's a "dodge"?? or is it because you don't really know either car that well.
Also, to those suggesting the M3: the price difference would have been extraordinary.




Ah, there you are. Yes, the Charger is down market. I'll say it again. Right right right, get very technical, and they fall within similar price ranges. However, the market isn't SOLELY based on prices, it's based on intended sales demographic, and intended marketing used to make that sale. In this scenario, the 300 is presented as an upmarket vehicle due to its intended sales target, it's price, it's style, and it's purposed function found in its advertising. So yes, being a Dodge effects that as well, among the other things listed.

Also, in a comparison where neither is not presented as an option in the poll, it's not really an option. Of course anyone can think that, but the whole point of this comparo is to discover what one would choose based on the TWO choices given, even if neither are ideal, one is surely preferable.


mad_skillz: You hit the nail on the head. Those are ALL of the reasons why the Chrysler could easily lose. People can reject rationality all they want, but tangible evidence is still present as to why the 335i could be considered to be a superior vehicle to the 300 SRT-8. Nothing is fact, but there is plenty of good evidence to back that statement up, lets not ignore that.

It losses via handling.
It's a muscle car and can't do corners like the bimeer can.
Can't powerslide like the bimmer.
Has crappy steering and differential unlike the bimmer.
Would be outperformed on any track by the bimmer.
It's based on an E-class Merc so actually it's not a genuine Chrysler.
A single camshaft V8 engine? Man...
It's not a drivers car like the bimmer at all...
I would only have it in touring version, that's the only way that it's cool.

Your reasons have merit except:
Can't powerslide like the bimmer.
A single camshaft V8 engine? Man...

Those two have no real point to them, because I doubt the ability to powerslide is critical when choosing what car to buy. Also, OMFG IT'S A SINGLE CAMSHAFT OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!!!111!!

They're both good cars. Deal.

They're both great cars. They're both popular. But...


I'll have the 335i because:

* it's available with a manual transmission
* it's available with AWD!!!

Your reasons have merit except:
Can't powerslide like the bimmer.
A single camshaft V8 engine? Man...

Those two have no real point to them, because I doubt the ability to powerslide is critical when choosing what car to buy. Also, OMFG IT'S A SINGLE CAMSHAFT OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!!!111!!

They're both good cars. Deal.
The 335i has a x35i suffix because it has a power output of a small V8, that's why it can be compared to a real V8 like the 300C.
Then, correct me if i'm wrong, but you buy a muscle car to have fun, no?
Then on that field the bmw is so much more fun.
Outperforms the 300C in corners and is more drift-friendly, much better differential(although not limited slip diff - bugger) and traction and therefore more fun.
Single camshaft means it's not so sophisticated as the bimmer.
Only by chipping that twinturbo IL-6 you can get output to 340,350bhp and that is enough to outperform the SRT-8 even in the drag department, probably the only field it's superior to the bmw, both on default.

No argue there, the are both good cars, but i think on the fun department which is most important when purchasing a muscle car bimmer is better.

No argue there, the are both good cars, but i think on the fun department which is most important when purchasing a muscle car..

...And the 300C SRT8 has that covered. Muscle cars were never meant to rip corners to shreds and look good while doing it. They were essentially family cars with big power under the hood with some styling tweaks to make it stand out from the "lesser" cars they were based on.

...That's *exactly* what the SRT8 is.

And with that, I'm going to bed.

The 335i has a x35i suffix because it has a power output of a small V8, that's why it can be compared to a real V8 like the 300C.

No, for the longest time, and generally still today the last two numbers stand for the displacement of the engine. 318 - 1.8L I4. 325 - 2.5L I6. 330 - 3.0L I6, etc etc. The 335 was to indicate it was different from the 330..

And.. I can personally guarantee you that 425hp and 420lb-ft out of a 6.1L V8 is going to be a better drifter than 300hp and 300lb-ft out of a 3.0L TT I6, even though it's not important.

The 335i is quick but definitely not muscle.
Hell my car can take them out...& I drive a Dodge :-s

No, for the longest time, and generally still today the last two numbers stand for the displacement of the engine. 318 - 1.8L I4. 325 - 2.5L I6. 330 - 3.0L I6, etc etc. The 335 was to indicate it was different from the 330..
The 335i is actually a 3.0L engine.
It has a 3.5 mark because of what i've said, because it delivers power output equal to a small V8.

And.. I can personally guarantee you that 425hp and 420lb-ft out of a 6.1L V8 is going to be a better drifter than 300hp and 300lb-ft out of a 3.0L TT I6, even though it's not important.
Not with the way it steers which is too soft and the thorttle does not have proper control.
The engine is not the most important part when talked about powersliding.

My signature shows my vote...:)

Even if this comparo has the Charger instead of the 335i, I would still take the BMW. Call me a Eurosnob or call me a fan boy. I think the 335i will give me more smiles. I used to dislike the E90 3-series but I'm starting to like it these days. Maybe that's one of the reasons. In my opinion, it looks better than the 300C. If the Charger was here, the 05' one, the Charger would win by terms of looks. It looks so cool.

^^have you ever ridden on a 300C SRT-8 ? or a similar 425bhp car ?

:D

give me a 300c it has the sound.

The 335i is actually a 3.0L engine.
It has a 3.5 mark because of what i've said, because it delivers power output equal to a small V8.

Ok... PROVE to me that it's true.. you didn't read my post. It was 335 to indicate it was different from a 330.. not because it's a "V8 killer". I said generally the last two signify the engine size, with this as an exception. The exception is, it has two turbos. Not that it's as powerful as a V8..

Not with the way it steers which is too soft and the thorttle does not have proper control.
The engine is not the most important part when talked about powersliding.

Ok.. this right here tells me you have no experience with cars or drifting. Soft steering is a feeling, it has nothing to do with how well you can drift. My steering wheel is somewhat vague and I could drift very well if I didn't care about my tires. The throttle does not have proper control? In what world does that make sense? The power curve on a V8, especially a 6.1L 420 horse V8, is perfect for drifting. It has a nice fat power curve in the middle that allows you perfect control.

I like the 335i sedan much more than the coupe
i wouldnt trust the Chrysler it might be powerful but the BMw is so much more better in everything

id have to go for the 335i its just more balance and smoother in every way compare to the 300c srt 8

I'll take the 300.

They're rare (the SRT is, at least), they're comfy, they're practical, they're badass and I personally love a good stonking big V8.

I really like 335's, but they've become waaayyy too common, and I'm not entirely fond of the (majority) of people that buy them.

um SRT8 magnum or 335i coupe please!The coupe was much better looks.

this is such a funny comparo. A 300hp i6 @ a 425hp v8, and the less powerful car wins. just goes to show you how bad americans are at making carsYou're an ignorant person you know that?

You're an ignorant person you know that?



Haha I'm surprised you didn't include the fact that his name is "Mr. NoCar" in your post. Fits well with the ignorance, no?

Ok... PROVE to me that it's true.. you didn't read my post. It was 335 to indicate it was different from a 330.. not because it's a "V8 killer". I said generally the last two signify the engine size, with this as an exception. The exception is, it has two turbos. Not that it's as powerful as a V8..
335i differes it from 330i because of power output which is similar to an output from a small V8 than to an IL-6. And it's in class with Audi S5 which is V8-based. Enough?
It's not a V8 car by any mean.
And when did you become an expert on bmw engine labeling?


Ok.. this right here tells me you have no experience with cars or drifting. Soft steering is a feeling, it has nothing to do with how well you can drift. My steering wheel is somewhat vague and I could drift very well if I didn't care about my tires. The throttle does not have proper control? In what world does that make sense? The power curve on a V8, especially a 6.1L 420 horse V8, is perfect for drifting. It has a nice fat power curve in the middle that allows you perfect control.
Ok, this here tells me you havent ever driven a rwd bmw on a european road that has curves whatsoever.
Jesus..
Visit Nurburgring or any track with normal cornering once in a while and then talk this nonsense.
Oh and btw my father owns a E39 520i Sport and my best friend an E30 325i so i know a thing or two about bimmer drifting. ;)

335i differes it from 330i because of power output which is similar to an output from a small V8 than to an IL-6.
Yet less than the previous generation M3s' 3.2L I6.
And it's in class with Audi S5 which is V8-based. Enough?
So?
It's not a V8 car by any mean.
Your point?
And when did you become an expert on bmw engine labeling?
When did you become an expert on BMW engine labeling? And why does the 550i only have a 4.8L engine? Are they trying to trick me, does it have the output of a 5L, does 550 roll off the tounge better than 548, what are they trying to do?

Ok, this here tells me you havent ever driven a rwd bmw on a european road that has curves whatsoever.
What? They made FWD Bimmers? Do I have to go to Europe to find curved roads?
Jesus..
Visit Nurburgring or any track with normal cornering once in a while and then talk this nonsense.
Hey, the nurburgring isn't the only place with corners. Come down here, and try to drift the Brocks' Skyline sequence in you dads' old entry-level 5. YOU WOULD CRASH AND BURN
You may not have heard, but there are some wonderfull corners in america, such as the corkscrew, and if you'd care to think, you'd find some hidden gems in the USA.
Oh and btw my father owns a E39 520i Sport and my best friend an E30 325i so i know a thing or two about bimmer drifting. ;)

I'm sorry, but anybody who brags about a 2L BMW is a bit of a tool in my book. The '20s don't provide any real indication that they are indeed somthing special (and couple that with the extra heft of the E39 shell), and I can't see why you would opt for one, unless the other options were very ordinary.

335i differes it from 330i because of power output which is similar to an output from a small V8 than to an IL-6. And it's in class with Audi S5 which is V8-based. Enough?
It's not a V8 car by any mean.
And when did you become an expert on bmw engine labeling?

It has the 335i title because its increased output.. it has nothing to do with being comparable to a V8.

Ok, this here tells me you havent ever driven a rwd bmw on a european road that has curves whatsoever.
Jesus..
Visit Nurburgring or any track with normal cornering once in a while and then talk this nonsense.
Oh and btw my father owns a E39 520i Sport and my best friend an E30 325i so i know a thing or two about bimmer drifting. ;)

Wow.. your dad owns a 2.0L four door and your friend a very underpowered 80's BMW. Sorry, but neither is a drift car.

When you drive something with some torque, let me know.

What do you drive btw?

I'll take the 300.

They're rare (the SRT is, at least), they're comfy, they're practical, they're badass and I personally love a good stonking big V8.

I really like 335's, but they've become waaayyy too common, and I'm not entirely fond of the (majority) of people that buy them.

I see as many 300's as I see 335's. From what I see, they're about equal in terms of commonlyness. (is that even a word? lol)

The 300's usually made as show cars(stupidly huge ugly wheels) with show-offs, while the 335's are bone stock with a driver that's always on the cell phone :p

Stereotyping, it's bad, but human beings will always do it.....

Yeah, but it's true.

You know how when you shop for things online, they come up with the.. "if you like this, you might also like this"..?

They should do that for cars. If you like talking on your cell phone and not signaling, you might also be interested in a BMW!

Yeah, but it's true.

You know how when you shop for things online, they come up with the.. "if you like this, you might also like this"..?

They should do that for cars. If you like talking on your cell phone and not signaling, you might also be interested in a BMW!

It's a good thing BMW's are still great vehicles, and that those that buy them still are deciding to drive a great vehicle. A 3-Series cell phone jabbing driver could have bought a Lincoln MKZ. Luckily, he didn't, and I respect him more because of it.

Wow.. your dad owns a 2.0L four door and your friend a very underpowered 80's BMW. Sorry, but neither is a drift car.
170wr bhp E30 that weighs less than the wheels on that 300C is underpowered?
If you had any clue about bimmers and cars in general you would know what the E30 is all about.
And the E39 has a limited slipp dif upgrade from an M5 ffs.
Yeah you're a pure drifting enthusiast...


When you drive something with some torque, let me know.
Said an american 17year old kidd who got his licence like a month ago.
And is a torque addict.
What a wonder.:rolleyes:
Grow up...

170wr bhp E30 that weighs less than the wheels on that 300C is underpowered?
If you had any clue about bimmers and cars in general you would know what the E30 is all about.
And the E39 has a limited slipp dif upgrade from an M5 ffs.
Yeah you're a pure drifting enthusiast...


How about you explain to us why they're better and different, technically speaking. And to make sure Attaus or anyone doesn't interrupt you, I'll keep it nice and tidy till you respond. Come, teach us, oh-cocky-one.

I'd rather have someone put up than tell someone to shut up.

So, answer your own accusation.

Said an american 17year old kidd who got his licence like a month ago.
And is a torque addict.
What a wonder.:rolleyes:
Grow up...

Oh man talk about a caaan of worms...I'll answer for him, since he's had his license for quite some time now, and has already owned two cars, the first of which, if I'm not mistaken, was a torqueless wonder from the fine folks at Honda. A nicely modded Prelude, if I remember correctly.

But hey, what would a car enthusiast who takes time to teach, learn, read, fix with his own hands, and drive with his heart, know about cars?

God I hate cocky people who say one thing, but can't back it up. ;)

I'll wait to respond. He still didn't answer my question, though.

E30 is not a drift car, it's not...The wheelbase and balancing act with the weight of the car means drifting it isn't a matter of actually drifting the car, it's a matter of just making it come unstuck..Which anyone can do in any vehicle on the planet..

Which doesn't constitute a drift..

The E30 had great balance off the lot...any form of it..but if it's been modified..then that's been thrown to ****, like it or not...Which is why in general drift cars..
get MORE powerful as they get lighter, and less power is required in stock trim...

For instance, you take a Fc3 round the parking lot a couple times with 3 people in the car(Hatchin it!!!), you can get some daaamn sweet drifts in that car off.. I mean SWEET i've done it....

You take those 2 people out, and the car becomes this thing that just doesn't want to sustain a slide if you have the power curve wrong in it you're going to bog down like crazy and lose your slip angle in a heartbeat...


but you lighten the car further, same issue..Car is so light the engine can't keep up with it..it can't spin ish fast enough to keep the lack of weight traction free.....

Which is why you crank da b000zt

^^have you ever ridden on a 300C SRT-8 ? or a similar 425bhp car ?

:D
Does that make any difference? I've never ridden on the 435bhp car before.
I think the 335i will still be the more practical one for daily driving. I don't have back ups for this answer though. Just a thought.

^^nah its ok. I just read you post and you claim driving a 335i will give you more smiles . so considring a car that has 125bhp extra im not sure how thats not going to be the same ;)

^^nah its ok. I just read you post and you claim driving a 335i will give you more smiles . so considring a car that has 125bhp extra im not sure how thats not going to be the same ;)


Yes, the SRT-8 has 125 bhp more than the BMW, but it also weighs a hell of a lot more too. The 335i can do 0-60 in 4.8 sec, that's the fastest I've heard of. I don't really feel like looking up the SRT-8 time, but I bet it couldn't be much faster than that, if at all. Also, being a very traditional, basic automatic, I don't see how it could give ME more smiles. Rowing my own and hitting 60 in 4.8? That's a pretty solid combination.

Nevermind.
Call me stupid, uninformed..whatever you like.
The simple matter of fact, americans will never understand deutsche cars philosophy.
Won't argue anymore in this topic.
Visit some european tracks for your own good uber einis...

Exactly.. don't talk. You don't know anything about drifting. Yes, I do know the German philosophy. Build solid cars that will perform well at autobahn speeds. That has nothing to do with drifting well. It's about being stable and able to handle.. basically, a track car.

As far as being a torque addict, if you actually knew about drifting, you would know that torque plays a huge factor in keeping the tires spinning.

And as far as the personal comments made towards me, as Ghalos said I've been driving for just short of two years. Both cars are a lot more powerful (and in the case of the Prelude, about the same weight as the 325) than either the 520 or the 325. So please, at least have some reserve before you run your mouth.

Yes, I do know the German philosophy. Build solid cars that will perform well at autobahn speeds. That has nothing to do with drifting well.
Rofl. Well if you are refering to Maybach as being a child of Benz then yes.
If you talk about C63, M3, RS4, RS6, M5, any 911 for that matter than a monumental no..
You've been in an M3 like once in your lifetime? Low torque huge rwd powerslides, my grandmother could drift in an M3...Jesus and you talk about torque..not all cars that drift are american muscle you know or japanese nintendo's ;)
As far as my knowledge of drifting..well the Ring is not that far away so....;)

Wow, the more you talk the more I realize you have absolutely no concept of cars.

It doesn't have to be a V8 to have torque. Turbo 4's can have lots of torque, and that's what they use to initiate a drift. Yes, I've driven an M3.. E46.. which is more than you can say. You won't even tell me what you drive.

No BMW Motosport wagon ist turbo based for now.
Can you find me an affordable car that will do donuts and lateral G's better than say an E46 CSL or a E36 Evo ?
And if it it's an american car i will tear up my licence for sure..
So it's not american it's japanese.
Well i was expecting that..
I don't have my own car. I have to work in order to pay for my university tuition.;)
And what i've driven is not an issue here.
But i plan on getting E30 M3 and build it.

Nevermind.
Call me stupid, uninformed..whatever you like.
The simple matter of fact, americans will never understand deutsche cars philosophy...

Can you get your head out of BMW's rear end and answer my question??

You talk a ton of talk, but you haven't backed it up with actual *knowledge*.

So here it is AGAIN:

How about you explain to us why they're better and different, technically speaking.

Here's how to format your answer so nobody gives you crap:
1-How is a drifting car properly set up as far as engine position, drivetrain, desired differential for drifting, suspension set up, and brake bias?

2-How are those answered in question 1, related to the two cars here.

3-Why then, given the connections between the drifting car setup, the two here, is one better than the other.

Till you answer those questions, I'd keep from saying stuff like "You'll never understand" if you're not even going to try and explain stuff without some cocky-asshole-attitude.

That's really easy dude.. the Z06.

Please send your cut up license to 103 Kiss My Ass, Austin, TX.

While I'm not harping on you for spending your money on an education, that doesn't make you qualified to comment on cars.

That's really easy dude.. the Z06.

Please send your cut up license to 103 Kiss My Ass, Austin, TX.

While I'm not harping on you for spending your money on an education, that doesn't make you qualified to comment on cars.

...That's not your real address, and btw...He's going to say that's not affordable while completely ignoring the fact that the cars he mentioned (one of which you can't even import over here), are because of their status, in the high 20grand region for a pristine one nowadays.

I just thought I'd brace you for the response to come. ;)

@Ghalos RWD and front engined, NA.
Good belts and filters.
Good brakes with strong pads and enduring rotors.
Then you should need good coilovers if not for good springs.
A firm suspension overall.
Stripped out and lightened.
A mechanical limited slipp differential is a must have. Open diffs and viscous diffs are not good.
Gearsets should hace closed ratios to keep the engine in the power band and so the engine could have linear flow of power, something like a cross bike.
Clutch should be ceramic or multiple plated ones.
For tires, they have to be quality in front for good steering and the back, hard compound ones should be used.
That's how they do @ the ring..
The good ones in europe are bmw 3, any 911, some of opel and mercedes.
There.

@Ghalos RWD and front engined, NA.
Good belts and filters.
Good brakes with strong pads and enduring rotors.
Then you should need good coilovers if not for good springs.
A firm suspension overall.
Stripped out and lightened.
A mechanical limited slipp differential is a must have. Open diffs and viscous diffs are not good.
Gearsets should hace closed ratios to keep the engine in the power band and so the engine could have linear flow of power, something like a cross bike.
Clutch should be ceramic or multiple plated ones.
For tires, they have to be quality in front for good steering and the back, hard compound ones should be used.
That's how they do @ the ring..
The good ones in europe are bmw 3, any 911, some of opel and mercedes.
There.

Overall, not bad, except for the gearing, closed ratio is for cars who can't spin their tires because you have some low torque motor. Ever seen the SRT Viper drift car?

Anywho, IS ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNY OF THAT ON EITHER CAR?!

You don't drift these cars. End of argument.

I was refering to aftermarket made ones.
Not stock of course.
Who said you need a lot of torque, you can do it right with a more rev based, small capacity engine if you set up your gearbox properly.
You don't need 7L big torque engine. It's a way of doing it but not a necessity.
You don't drift a bmw3 or a 911? What do you do then?

I was refering to aftermarket made ones.
Not stock of course.
Who said you need a lot of torque, you can do it right with a more rev based, small capacity engine if you set up your gearbox properly.
You don't need 7L big torque engine. It's a way of doing it but not a necessity.
You don't drift a bmw3 or a 911? What do you do then?

You have fun in them, but don't expect to beat some kid with ten grand of mods in his lowly Nissan or Honda when it comes to real drifting.

Power sliding and kicking the tail out is one thing, drifting's a whooole other deal.

So you can't get an E30, two KKK turbos and get what you do in a Sylvia or an R33 GT-R with 10K euros of mods?
Of course you can.
Actually in Nederlands the DK for a while was an E36 Touring with a modified E36 3.2L Evo engine. Got around 385rwd bhp, NA.
You don't neccesairly need a japanese car to pro drift, all my point.

the term "drift" is misunderstood quite often

So you can't get an E30, two KKK turbos and get what you do in a Sylvia or an R33 GT-R with 10K euros of mods?
Of course you can.
Actually in Nederlands the DK for a while was an E36 Touring with a modified E36 3.2L Evo engine. Got around 385rwd bhp, NA.
You don't neccesairly need a japanese car to pro drift, all my point.

I agree, but, have you any idea how much that'd cost in the US?

3x's the price here versus there.

In the end if you do it right it amounts to the same thing.
The car would be cheaper, the tuning expensive.
For the bmw i mean.

The 335i for me.

It can out handle the SRT-8 and can keep up on the straights.

...That's not your real address

No.. really? lol..

@Ghalos RWD and front engined, NA.
Good belts and filters.
Good brakes with strong pads and enduring rotors.
Then you should need good coilovers if not for good springs.
A firm suspension overall.
Stripped out and lightened.
A mechanical limited slipp differential is a must have. Open diffs and viscous diffs are not good.
Gearsets should hace closed ratios to keep the engine in the power band and so the engine could have linear flow of power, something like a cross bike.
Clutch should be ceramic or multiple plated ones.
For tires, they have to be quality in front for good steering and the back, hard compound ones should be used.
That's how they do @ the ring..


Rofl.. yeah you need good belts for sure!! You sir have no idea what you're talking about.

You need a larger sump oil pan and better pump, increased steering ratio (and therefore enough room to swing the tires out without hitting the wells), lots of power and especially torque, and a stiff frame outside of just coilovers.

You need to understand that you can drift almost any car. All you have to do is drop a gear, flick the tail, pull the e-brake, whatever. Some idiot in a stock 240sx (not Maverick I don't think) used to ask me what my drift initiation speed was. That's because he had to do all said things due to a lack of power and proper setup. Drifting in American cars is simply much, much easier. All I have to do is turn, punch it, then counter steer. I don't have to flick it, pull the e-brake, over rev it.. none of that. You know what RPM I can drift at? 2,500-6,000 RPM. Try doing that in an M3.