Ok, I had to do this, sorry for those of u who dont like Ford. This is just about FordEurope, so what I am going to do is give u some details of Ford-UK current product range and a small history lesson with some motorsport moments. Then, see if u agree that Ford are probably the best Motor company out there, and to be honest, they're in a bit of trouble at the moment.

Henry Ford changed people’s way of life with his practical and affordable cars. He invented the moving assembly line and mass production techniques that would set the standard for worldwide industrial practice in the first half of the 20th Century.

Born in Springwells Township, Wayne County, Michigan, on July 30, 1863, he was the first of William and Mary Ford's six children and grew up on a prosperous family farm spending days in a one-room school and doing jobs around the farm. At an early age, he showed an interest in mechanical things – an interest that would develop into a genius that earned him the accolade of being regarded as one of the greatest industrialists in the world.
Ford Motor Company was incorporated in 1903 with Henry Ford holding 25.5 per cent of the stock and acting as vice-president and chief engineer. Only a few cars a day were produced at the Ford factory on Mack Avenue in Detroit. Groups of two or three men worked on each car from components made to order by other companies. The first car built by the company was sold on July 23, 1903. Henry became president and controlling owner in 1906.

Henry Ford realized his dream of producing an automobile that was reasonably priced, reliable, and efficient with the introduction of the Model T in 1908. This vehicle signalled a new era in personal transport - it was easy to operate, maintain and handle on rough roads and was an immediate success.

1980-2004: Sierra days
The radically different Ford Sierra replaced the Cortina in 1982. It was a bold design move and at the time, its aerodynamic styling was unique. Sierra soon became the benchmark for hatchback family sized saloons and paved the way for the 1993 Mondeo. The technological lead established by the Sierra enabled Ford to develop the Scorpio/Granada ranges in 1985.

The Ford Family expands
Iveco Ford Truck was formed, with Ford Britain owning 48 per cent in 1986 and the following year Ford New Holland was formed. The prestige marque, Aston Martin Lagonda Ltd was acquired the following year and by 1989 Jaguar Cars had also joined the Ford family.

Mondeo sweeps the board
The Nineties saw the launch of the Ford Mondeo in Britain, and it received numerous accolades to underline its sales success. In April, 1995, Dagenham engine plant built its 28 millionth engine and the following year, it builds its 10 millionth vehicle since production began in 1931.

Expansion continues
Cosworth Racing joined the Ford family in 1998 and was followed by the acquisition of AB Volvo in January 1999. The Automotive Premier Group, covering Jaguar Cars, Volvo Cars, Aston Martin and Lincoln was created in March.

Ford Britain celebrated the 100th Anniversary of Ford Motor Company in 2003, our centenary year. With 27 consecutive years at the top of Britain's best-selling chart for new cars and four Ford cars in the top ten - Ka, Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo. We are on target to reach our "45 in 5" - a commitment we made to launch 45 new product actions in just five years and will be investing over £2.1 billion in UK facilities.

Ford Ka: Love life? Love driving? Then you'll love the Ford Ka. It's stylish, dynamic, confident and fun. Advanced driving technology, comprehensive safety systems and a generous specification add real substance to the style. Pile on extra attitude and a gutsy 1.6 litre engine and you’ve got something for the true enthusiast – the new Ford Sportka.
The Ka is a small City vehicle, it still leads its class dispite being launched 7 years ago. Soon to get an interior makeover, the Ka is probably one of the best cars Ford have ever made and it constantly in the Top Ten sales for the UK. Based on a previous Fiesta Platform (same as the Puma), the Ka drives really well and can keep up with many more powerful cars through the twisties. (E.g. Clio 182)

http://www.car-pictures-photos-pics.com/Ford/Ka/9.jpg

1.3i Duratec 16V I4 Petrol: 70bhp
1.6i Duratec 16V I4 Petrol: 95bhp

Ford Fiesta: Bright bold and exciting, its individual style and vibrant personality make the new Fiesta fun to spend time with. It’s perfect for sharing with your friends, discovering new experiences, and living life to the fullest - each and every day. Now in its 2nd year, the Fiesta is a fine all-round car, dispite loosing some of its previous models charm. With its mini-Focus styling and excellient driving dynamics, the Fiesta is built for the driver who enjoys driving. Soon to be released ST and RS versions will give the Fiesta a much needed boost in the power department (rumoured 230bhp for the RS). With a slight face-lift around the corner, all eyes will be on the Fiesta to take back the supermini crown!

http://www.car-pictures-photos-pics.com/Ford/Fiesta%20(2001)/2.jpg

1.25i Duratec 16V I4 Petrol: 75bhp
1.4i Duratec 16V I4 Petrol: 80bhp
1.6i Duratec 16V I4 Petrol: 100bhp
1.4i Duratorq TDCi 16V Diesel: 68bhp

Ford Fusion: Robust yet agile, Ford Fusion has a commanding presence that inspires confidence and brings a refreshing new dimension to urban motoring. In addition, new Fusion + has a multimedia entertainment system with DVD, rear privacy windows and alloy wheels. Based on the Fiesta, the Fusion (or EcoSport as its known in Australlia), is basically a new type of vehicle (UAV- Urban Activity Vehicle). With its high driving position and Fiesta underpinnings make it the ideal town vehicle. Modern and crisp styling and a practical interior help matters for students and school run mums who dont want a SUV. No sport variants are planned yet.

http://www.car-pictures-photos-pics.com/Ford/Fusion/1.jpg

1.4i Duratec 16V I4 Petrol: 80bhp
1.6i Duratec 16V I4 Petrol: 100bhp
1.4i Duratorq TDCi 16V Diesel: 68bhp

Ford Focus: The award-winning Ford Focus does what you want, when you want it. It’s ingenious yet remarkably functional. Sensible yet very, very exciting. Whatever you’re doing with your life, take control of it with a Ford Focus. Everyone know the Focus, its edge styling was a turning point in car design and it razor sharp dynamics left the VW Golf and Vauxhall/Opel Astra for dead. With ever improving spec levels and a range of high performance versions (ST170 and RS), the Focus is stilll the class leader. The Focus Mk II is due very soon and looks set to extend the gap between the competition!

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/focusrs02_07.jpg

1.4i Zetec 16V I4 Petrol: 75bhp
1.6i Zetec 16V I4 Petrol: 100bhp
1.8i Zetec 16V I4 Petrol: 115bhp
2.0i Zetec 16V I4 Petrol: 130bhp
2.0i Zetec-ST 16V I4 Petrol: 168bhp
1.8i Duratorq TDDi 16V Diesel: 90bhp
1.8i Duratorq TDDi 16V Diesel: 100bhp
1.8i Duratorq TDCi 16V Diesel: 115bhp

2.0i Duartec-RS Turbo 16V I4 Petrol: 212bhp (Discontinued)

Ford Mondeo: The Mondeo has a fresh, distinctive design incorporating new levels of craftsmanship and technology. A new family of engines offer outstanding performance and fuel efficiency alongside low Co2 emissions. And with its no-compromise Intelligent Protection System, the Ford Mondeo is one of the safest places to be. Launched and instantly rocketing to the top of the class, the Mondeo still leads the pack. Its rewarding drive and high quality keep it on top of the game. Fighting off new and old competition (Peugeot 407 and BMW 3-series), the Mondeo continues to impress. With its powerful engines and ultra smooth ride. The ST220 is the most powerful Mondeo ever made and is probably the best handling sports saloon in its class.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/st220mondeo02_04.jpg

1.8i Duratec 16V I4 Petrol: 125bhp
1.8i Duratec SCi 16V I4 Petrol: 130bhp
2.0i Duratec 16V I4 Petrol: 145bhp
2.5i Duratec 24V V6 Petrol: 170bhp
3.0i Duratec 24V V6 Petrol: 200bhp
3.0i Duratec-ST 24V V6 Petrol: 225bhp
2.0i Duratorq TDCi 16V Diesel: 115bhp
2.0i Duratorq TDCi 16V Diesel: 130bhp
2.2i Duratorq TDCi 16V Diesel: 155bhp

Nice post man, even though it looks like an advertisement. :lol:
But, seriously, what is the purpose of it? :?:

But, seriously, what is the purpose of it? :?:Maybe he means the best year of sales for Ford?

why do they only sell crappy fords in the us....?

Mustang, 500, GT...The only thing we're missing is the RS...
Anyways, two thumbs up for the Blue Oval. 8)

Je t'aime RS :smt055

Je t'aime RS :smt055

Was cool to hear someone defend Ford here (i used to do that some time ago), cool post man. Guess not many people agrees, ut honestly, who cares.

i send an e-mail in Greek Ford and in Greece the fiesta st will come at the end of 2004!!!!!!
i can't wait.....

Mondeo Cosworth do you have specs for the fiesta ST?? i can't download it from UK page.

Ford Fiesta ST:
€19.995 euro.
150 Hp, 2,0-liter Duratec motor.
Topspeed: 208 km/u.
0 - 100 8.4 seconds.

Ford Fiesta ST:
€19.995 euro.
150 Hp, 2,0-liter Duratec motor.
Topspeed: 208 km/u.
0 - 100 8.4 seconds.

:twisted: 150HP+turbo =200HP at 0.7-0,9bar garrett T25 (like RS).........
thanx :D

Ford Fiesta ST:
€19.995 euro.
150 Hp, 2,0-liter Duratec motor.
Topspeed: 208 km/u.
0 - 100 8.4 seconds.

:twisted: 150HP+turbo =200HP at 0.7-0,9bar garrett T25 (like RS).........
thanx :D

That would be a mild-regular turbo kit, currently, 2 liter Zetecs (depending on the kit, talking about the best one i know about) are at about 230whp on a futher tuned engine this kit si capable of 440+hp , same guy's stage 1 turbo kit puts down 197hp TO THE WHEELS!!!, that is like 230hp to the crank.

Still it's a quite expensive mod, and there are not many turbo kit's for Duratec yet (you can build your own but it's far more complicated)

It's sad that other countries don't get one of the best hidden secrets of the Ford stable: the Ford Falcon.

:twisted: 150HP+turbo =200HP at 0.7-0,9bar garrett T25 (like RS).........
thanx :D
At 0,7-0,9 bar, the 2.0 lt Duratec can easily push 280-290 HP... (with proper tuning: injectors, intake etc)

PS: If I manage to persuade my father, there is a chance I might buy a Fiesta ST. :twisted:

It's sad that other countries don't get one of the best hidden secrets of the Ford stable: the Ford Falcon.

Yes, the typhoon XR6 is awesome, so is the GT-P V8


:twisted: 150HP+turbo =200HP at 0.7-0,9bar garrett T25 (like RS).........
thanx :D
At 0,7-0,9 bar, the 2.0 lt Duratec can easily push 280-290 HP... (with proper tuning: injectors, intake etc)

PS: If I manage to persuade my father, there is a chance I might buy a Fiesta ST. :twisted:

jimkk, where you got that info? a self tuned car can make that, but most kits don't go that far (there aren't that many kits for duratecs yet, only zetec) if you have an URL i would be pleased.

Anyway 280hp would be wayy to much for such a small car, unless you mean to drag. I drove a Clio 182 and it wasnt that good besieds accel, veeery hard to control, i guess thats why ford sticked to 150hp , early tests reveal a 0.5 difference between this and Focus RS on Ford's test facility (don't remember name)

If you want to tune this right, go to cosworth, they have the d-power kits available for Duratec20 and 23, 200+hp NA should be attainable with the 2 litre since the 2.3 makes 230hp with the kit. They say numbers are roughly the same a t different RPM ranges. I prefer NA so this would be my tuning choice. (besides the intake manifod from cosworth is SOOOOOO AWESOME)

You're in the wrong forum, buddy.

This is just about FordEurope, so what I am going to do is give u some details of Ford-UK

think again

welcome to SCF!

:twisted: 150HP+turbo =200HP at 0.7-0,9bar garrett T25 (like RS).........
thanx :D
At 0,7-0,9 bar, the 2.0 lt Duratec can easily push 280-290 HP... (with proper tuning: injectors, intake etc)

PS: If I manage to persuade my father, there is a chance I might buy a Fiesta ST. :twisted:
focus st put out 170HP+ T25 (0,8bar and 1bar overboost)=RS put out 215-220HP :D

jimkk, where you got that info? a self tuned car can make that, but most kits don't go that far
I was talking about a self tuned car...

focus st put out 170HP+ T25 (0,8bar and 1bar overboost)=RS put out 215-220HP
2lt + (0.8 * 2.0lt) = 2lt + 1.6lt = 3.6lt (roughly)
So the engine would have the same output as a 3.6lt NA engine...

BUT

1. The RS does not share the same engine with the ST... The ST has got wilder cams and different ECU mapping, to be able to deliver high-end NA power.
2. The RS engine is good but not very good tuned, they could push waaayyy more power with the same boost, if they also worked on the cams, injectors, mapping, intake, exhaust etc... But it seems they just strapped in a turbo to obtain a good torque curve. If they wanted to, they could have 300 HP with the same boost (1 bar) but then the car wouldn't be as driveable and as balanced as it is now.

jimkk, where you got that info? a self tuned car can make that, but most kits don't go that far
I was talking about a self tuned car...

focus st put out 170HP+ T25 (0,8bar and 1bar overboost)=RS put out 215-220HP
2lt + (0.8 * 2.0lt) = 2lt + 1.6lt = 3.6lt (roughly)
So the engine would have the same output as a 3.6lt NA engine...

BUT

1. The RS does not share the same engine with the ST... The ST has got wilder cams and different ECU mapping, to be able to deliver high-end NA power.
2. The RS engine is good but not very good tuned, they could push waaayyy more power with the same boost, if they also worked on the cams, injectors, mapping, intake, exhaust etc... But it seems they just strapped in a turbo to obtain a good torque curve. If they wanted to, they could have 300 HP with the same boost (1 bar) but then the car wouldn't be as driveable and as balanced as it is now.

i know the one is zetec and the other duratec....
2. if 2 mechanics mod a car all will do the same thinks (no......)!!!maybe i want 200HP
and to be driveable..........

I've got more to come yet, but I'll have to wait til I get time.

Henry Ford isn't exactly worthy of too much praise. That's why the Ford Motor Company doesn't offer much of it to him in their advertisements. He was openly anti-Semitic. He once bought a newspaper so that he could print articles indicting jews and claiming the existence of world conspiricies. He got a medal from Hitler. No joke.

Uhhhh I've never heard any of this about Ford, so I'm just gonna leave it there. And try not to post in topis over a month old.
And welcome to SCF :D

Henry Ford isn't exactly worthy of too much praise. That's why the Ford Motor Company doesn't offer much of it to him in their advertisements. He was openly anti-Semitic. He once bought a newspaper so that he could print articles indicting jews and claiming the existence of world conspiricies. He got a medal from Hitler. No joke.
The timeline isn't working for me. Henry ford was around 1900, Hitler was around 1940....

Hitler was 30-40, it probably happened pre war.

Henry Ford was an anti-semetic but yea the years are wayyy off. No way did he ever get a medal from the Nazis. But saying things like this is like a jewish person saying they won't buy German cars. It doesn't make much sense to me.

Gah!! Take philosophy courses!!! Logic dictates that if you do not know what you are talking about, or aren't completely sure, don't claim to know anything on that particular subject. It makes us look stupid, god knows I've done it enough.

Great job with the Ford info! Here's more about the 2003 Ford Mustang: http://www.carpictures.com/vehicles/?mfid=05CHE220417176 (http://www.carpictures.com/vehicles/?mfid=05BN9360213023)

ok yeh not the sort of person (this is me) to read a whole post that big i got bored last 2 or 3 paragraphs.
what are you saying it seems you are defending it without wanting to.
yeh ford is alright nothing to go all defensive over.
i do like the mustangs gts

Great job with the Ford info! Here's more about the 2003 Ford Mustang: http://www.carpictures.com/vehicles/?mfid=05CHE220417176 (http://www.carpictures.com/vehicles/?mfid=05BN9360213023)

just pointing out (my computer maybe wrong) but thats a link about the 'porshce cayman'
either you are on the wrong thread or you wrote the 2 halfs at completely didfferent times

just pointing it out

fords alright...i dig the GT....the ford gt that is

FORD Australia,NewZealand

This is what you guys are missing out on!
Ford FalconXR8

http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/misc/ford_falcon1.jpg

How many times have you posted that?

Hitler was 30-40, it probably happened pre war.

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/business/henry-ford/

That new focus looks amazing

I guess I can never look at a Ford Fiesta the same way. My mental image has now gone from unpredictable POS to stable compact.

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http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/business/henry-ford/
See, pre war. And I wouldnt trust something as gospel truth that is so biased as well.

I don't remember anyone claiming that it was a relationship carried out during the war. So I guess we're all correct. (Interesting tag about not correcting people if they're not wrong).

That particular link may be biased; however, wikipedia and other sources are fairly trustworthy. I remember that Ford's anti-semitism is discussed in detail in the biography Iacocca.

Ford didn't live long enough to run across the Nazis? You've got google don't you?

What the hell, this thread is 8 months old. Please dont reopen old threads.

http://www.shifflerequip.com/catalog/1ka.gif

this thread needs this.

yeah go Ford.

It's funny how we are screaming for a lock when reviving a thread...
When Chevrolet revives the Camaro we are all crazy. And admit it... You pray every night to make it go in production... ROLF