The T1 lapped the track in 1:10.

The Aston beat the jet man and the Bike beat the Boat, which beat public transport leaving the car last in the London challenge.

I thought I've seen a thread almost the same in the General section. I don't know? Not really paid attention to it.

Of course it beat it. The T1 is pretty much an F1 for the road.

Why the hell did Clarkson take it off? Dunno what he is playing at, he said it's for road legal cars only, and the T1 is. Still, smashing the CCX by seven whole seconds is a huge margin.

and then it got hit with a pebble and shattered to a million tiny pieces

^No it didn't, actually.

i'm kidding...it's a nice car..I'd take that other look alike over it though..

I was quite surprised to hear that it was pretty bad around slow corners. I would have thought that was something Caparo would have sorted out if it was going to be road legal.

Almost 10 seconds faster than the Enzo.... man that is RAPE. But still 11 or so seconds off from a real F1 car.

^No it didn't, actually.
Um, I believe that's what's known as sarcasm...

But still 11 or so seconds off from a real F1 car.

Put some slicks on the Caparo and that differenece will be down to nothing. The Caparo is around 40kg lighter than a formula 1 and is much torquier (not depending on engine speed to make all the horsepower).

Id also like to say that, like always, Clarkson talks loads of crap. 500kg with 250 and 290 tires is going to corner like hell (as in a good thing), even around slow corners (again all the crap he said about crashing on a roundabout...).
He talked about understeer.....
...when the track was totally wet and afterwards they managed to beat the track record by 10 or so seconds!! Come on!

By the way, the reason why the time was not put on the powerlaps board is because, supposedly, its not able to go over a speed bump (another of the requisites for cars times to be put on the board is that they need to have a boot and the Caparo hasnt got one).

Top gear would have to go back to the past and let Tiff Needell test the cars and then let Jeremy come in and make the program funny.

I was quite surprised to hear that it was pretty bad around slow corners. I would have thought that was something Caparo would have sorted out if it was going to be road legal.

Clarkson is actually the first person to say that, and thats probaly because of how agressive he is when driving. Seriously, watch him.

Also, the T1 was 2 seconds of the DBR9. Pretty good.
To be honest, i think the T1 should stay up there, but Clarksons a moan

Why the hell did Clarkson take it off? Dunno what he is playing at, he said it's for road legal cars only, and the T1 is. Still, smashing the CCX by seven whole seconds is a huge margin.

Because it can't get over a speed bump. Thats the test for whether or not it can go on the lap board.

It has to be road legal
It has to be able to go over a speed bump

Because it can't get over a speed bump. Thats the test for whether or not it can go on the lap board.

It has to be road legal
It has to be able to go over a speed bump

I already said that;);) (and you forgot to say it needs to have a boot).

Um, I believe that's what's known as sarcasm...

I apologise. I sounded like a right d*ck there. :(. Lol.

Its still road legal, just because no other company had the guts to make a car like this dosen't mean it shouldn't be considered up there in terms of fast on their board.

Also
Another Review of the T1, worth watching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsZY90ekUo

Also if you haven't seen it, heres the video on Youtube already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X6GvZZ7cmw

This is one of the things I don't like about JC. He was going on and on about how horrible the handling was. Whereas Jason Plato seemed to like the handling but did mention the understeer. Though he put no where near as much emphasis on it.
So either JC can't drive/judge a car well or he over exaggerates to make the show more interesting.
Anyway, I'm sure as hell going to take the word of a racing driver who can talk over a journalist who can drive.

Ultima GTR went around slightly slower but quicker as you can get te ultima over a speed bump, the caparo looks stumped but a pop bottle.

0. Caparo T1 - 1:10 secs (not on board as it cannot get over a speed bump)

1. Ultima GTR - 1 min 12.8 secs

2. Koenigsegg CXX (with Top Gear spoiler) - 1 min 17.6 secs

3. Pagani Zonda F - 1 min 18.4 secs

4. Maserati MC12 - 1 min 18.9 secs

5. Ferrari Enzo - 1 min 19.0 secs

6. Ariel Atom - 1 min 19.5 secs

7. Porsche Carrera GT - 1 min 19.8 secs

8. Koenigsegg CXX (without Top Gear spoiler) - 1 min 20.4 secs

9. Ascari KZ1 - 1 min 20.7 secs

10. Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren - 1 min 20.9 secs

i prefer the 3rd place car the most.

Just because a car is road legal don't mean it's road useable though. I think we had a big debate about it in the T1 thread before, and we've had previous debates about cars like it before.

Personally, I love it, even if it was only a track beast. It's just an astonishing bit of kit.

I can understand the understeer thing though. Low weight and street tires, mechanical grip isn't going to be massive. But then again, the way he was going on was silly. It isn't ever going to be that bad.

And he said only footballers would buy it ? Lies. I can't think of a footballer who would dare get into it. I mean, there going to mess up their hair ain't they........

If I was going to drive this thing on the road, I would have to have my route mapped before I go. The roads round my way, some are notoriously bad, and one pot hole could end up with a wing being ripped off. I still love it though.

i dont think the zonda f will get over a speedbump judging by the trouble they had in paris car park, but thats still up there.

^Maybe a very mild one :P.

Put some slicks on the Caparo and that differenece will be down to nothing. The Caparo is around 40kg lighter than a formula 1 and is much torquier (not depending on engine speed to make all the horsepower).

Id also like to say that, like always, Clarkson talks loads of crap. 500kg with 250 and 290 tires is going to corner like hell (as in a good thing), even around slow corners (again all the crap he said about crashing on a roundabout...).
He talked about understeer.....
...when the track was totally wet and afterwards they managed to beat the track record by 10 or so seconds!! Come on!

By the way, the reason why the time was not put on the powerlaps board is because, supposedly, its not able to go over a speed bump (another of the requisites for cars times to be put on the board is that they need to have a boot and the Caparo hasnt got one).

Top gear would have to go back to the past and let Tiff Needell test the cars and then let Jeremy come in and make the program funny.

The tires on an F1 car are considerably larger than the tires on the T1. An F1 car is also considerably more powerful than the T1. Torque is not that big of a deal in this comparison, as both cars hardly weigh anything anyways. Don't forget, the weight of an F1 car is measured once the driver and camera are in place. With a driver I think the T1 would weigh almost exactly the same as an F1 car. The T1 is fast, but it still can't compete with the real thing.

Why is this thread in this section?

I think because Top Gear is involved, which is a TV program.

Two ways to solve the "no time on power lap board" problem.

Use the very small passenger seat as your boot. Its not like you are going to force someone to sit there.

Install an aftermarket air jack system that lifts the car off of the ground so that you can get over speed bumps.

Otherwise, congrats to the Caparo. Now they need to test the Ultima GTR, the Nissan GTR, the Aero SSC TT, the Bugatti Veyron, and the Ferrari FXX around the track, and I will be happy.

The tires on an F1 car are considerably larger than the tires on the T1. An F1 car is also considerably more powerful than the T1. Torque is not that big of a deal in this comparison, as both cars hardly weigh anything anyways. Don't forget, the weight of an F1 car is measured once the driver and camera are in place. With a driver I think the T1 would weigh almost exactly the same as an F1 car. The T1 is fast, but it still can't compete with the real thing.

1. I said "put some slicks", I didnt say put some F1 slicks. There are slicks from kart size to rail dragster size (drag slicks are completely different but I just wanted to emphasize that you can get any size).

2. Considerably more powerful. T1 has 575bhp, F1 has around 730bhp. That is less than 150bhp difference. Not that it is that much of a difference (less than the difference between a ccx and a veyron).

3. Torque is always important. Yes, in light cars it is a lot less than with heavier cars, obviously, but it will always be better to have a torquier engine. At higher speeds, when drag is an important factor, acceleration has more to do with torque than with bhp and taking into account a Caparo T1 takes around 5 seconds to get to 100mph from stand still it will travel lots of time at high speeds taking advantage of its engine's superior torque.

4. The Caparo weighs around 500kg and a F1 weighs 600kg with driver included. I said the Caparo was around 40kg lighter which makes perfect sense. And the F1 is going to accelerate with the cameras inside so that weight should be taken into account too.

5. I didnt say it would beat it but surely it would give it a go for the money:D:D plus its a two seater plus you can take it to work (if you like that kind of stuff)!! I repeat to you that the difference would have been of a couple of seconds with some slicks on!!

Now they need to test the Ultima GTR, the Nissan GTR, the Aero SSC TT, the Bugatti Veyron, and the Ferrari FXX around the track, and I will be happy.

Waoo!! You ask for little mate!!
Id definitely love to see the those but I would add a SRT10, A Caterham X330, Gumpert Apollo and a Lotus Sport Exige. Not that theyll ever do it but its nice to dream!!

Its still road legal, just because no other company had the guts to make a car like this dosen't mean it shouldn't be considered up there in terms of fast on their board.

Also
Another Review of the T1, worth watching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsZY90ekUo

Also if you haven't seen it, heres the video on Youtube already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X6GvZZ7cmw

did anyone notice that the camera following the car killed an insect? hahaha... around 4.35....

did anyone notice that the camera following the car killed an insect? hahaha... around 4.35....

haha... yes i did notice that.

damn JC is a whinging ******* tho... he is so biast and if something is different to what he likes he will complain non stop about it even if he likes it... and if something he likes is crap in the first place he is so forgiving of it

Waoo!! You ask for little mate!!
Id definitely love to see the those but I would add a SRT10, A Caterham X330, Gumpert Apollo and a Lotus Sport Exige. Not that theyll ever do it but its nice to dream!!

Oh those were just off the top of my head. There is a much larger list in mind, but I didn't want to list them all, just my top 5 as of now. An Apollo would be marvelous.

damn JC is a whinging ******* tho... he is so biast and if something is different to what he likes he will complain non stop about it even if he likes it... and if something he likes is crap in the first place he is so forgiving of it

Don't you just wish the the other car would have waited awhile for this one to catch on fire while he was in it.

I see Jeremy as the type of guy who would complain doing it with Jessica Alba, saying something like, "there isn't enough real estate on her buttocks for me to hold on to." Or that "she handles bad on a water bed."

Why the hell did Clarkson take it off? Dunno what he is playing at, he said it's for road legal cars only, and the T1 is. Still, smashing the CCX by seven whole seconds is a huge margin.
Because he said that if a car can't get by a fat sleeping policeman, it can't be on the board.

Clarkson is lame....... Nice for the Caparo.

Does anyone else think the Caparo T1 was a bit of a waste of automotive design?

It was meant to be like an F1 car for the road, but it isn't.

All they've acheived is an F1 car with 2 seats, road tires and reg. plates. You could not drive that thing to the end of my street.

Plus it's fragile. It nearly cooked poor Jason Plato, the underside of the chassis pealed away while Clarky was driving it, what's gonna happen if it hits a pothole?

And then there's the price. The buyer would be paying for the development team. 225k is a lot of money for something that can't be driven on the road properly. I mean, it should have had the glass roof and doors it had on the concept drawings. It should have had more ground clearance, more grip. It should have had driving aids - what kind of F1 car for the track doesn't have them? Let alone for the road.

I totally agree with it being taken off the board. Let them test the FFX instead.

Chris.

Does anyone else think the Caparo T1 was a bit of a waste of automotive design?

It was meant to be like an F1 car for the road, but it isn't.

All they've acheived is an F1 car with 2 seats, road tires and reg. plates. You could not drive that thing to the end of my street.

Plus it's fragile. It nearly cooked poor Jason Plato, the underside of the chassis pealed away while Clarky was driving it, what's gonna happen if it hits a pothole?

And then there's the price. The buyer would be paying for the development team. 225k is a lot of money for something that can't be driven on the road properly. I mean, it should have had the glass roof and doors it had on the concept drawings. It should have had more ground clearance, more grip. It should have had driving aids - what kind of F1 car for the track doesn't have them? Let alone for the road.

I totally agree with it being taken off the board. Let them test the FFX instead.

Chris.
I think it's street legal? I'm not too sure. The only theory i have is, It can't get over a speed bump.

Is that your theory or Clarkson's? It is street legal...

My theory. I never really believed in Clarkson's words. I just watch TG for the joy of it.

This is one of the things I don't like about JC. He was going on and on about how horrible the handling was. Whereas Jason Plato seemed to like the handling but did mention the understeer. Though he put no where near as much emphasis on it.
So either JC can't drive/judge a car well or he over exaggerates to make the show more interesting.

Anyway, I'm sure as hell going to take the word of a racing driver who can talk over a journalist who can drive.

Exactly.

Plato is an accomplished racing driver whereas Clarkson is an accomplished opinion/joke writer, who happens to have some fondness for cars.



Clarkson is lame....... Nice for the Caparo.

Yup.


Does anyone else think the Caparo T1 was a bit of a waste of automotive design?

Not me. But some might share your opinion.


It was meant to be like an F1 car for the road, but it isn't.

Of course it isn't a F1 car....because there are already real F1 cars out there and they are not street-legal and mere mortals cannot buy them!

And it IS a F1 car FOR THE ROAD....in spirit. Because it is as close to a F1 car as you can get while still being consumer-accessible and legally street sanctioned.


All they've acheived is an F1 car with 2 seats, road tires and reg. plates. You could not drive that thing to the end of my street.

So you admit they did make an F1 car....with 2 seats no less! Maybe your street is full of potholes but the people who buy this will live on very smooth/wealthy roads. Besides, look at the other supercars on top of the board....how many of those can handle a normal road?



Plus it's fragile. It nearly cooked poor Jason Plato, the underside of the chassis pealed away while Clarky was driving it, what's gonna happen if it hits a pothole?

1. The car is still in its last stages of testing. Breakdowns are prone to happen...which is why companies spend time to develop it and tweak it before official production begins.

2. Supercars are not built/known/bought/etc. for their reliability! They are there for pure performance. If it does break down the owners are wealthy enough to have a second car ready while their supercar is getting fixed.


And then there's the price. The buyer would be paying for the development team. 225k is a lot of money for something that can't be driven on the road properly. I mean, it should have had the glass roof and doors it had on the concept drawings. It should have had more ground clearance, more grip. It should have had driving aids - what kind of F1 car for the track doesn't have them? Let alone for the road.
Again, price is no object here. Their goal is focused purely on performance...not on performance per dollar.

The glass roof and doors would add extra weight, which is bad for performance. More ground clearance is also detrimental to performance. It has plenty of grip...in fact it has more grip than anyone can handle.

Driving aids add weight to the car and take away from the connection between driver and the car. The people behind the Caparo T1 also worked on the McLaren F1, which had no ABS, power steering, no traction control, and no power brakes.

Recognize that the McLaren F1 is widely hailed as THE most ideal supercar of all time.


I totally agree with it being taken off the board. Let them test the FFX instead.

Chris.

I totally disagree. The FXX, however, would make for an interesting comparison. Too bad it is not street-legal and will not come close to the Caparo's time.

My theory. I never really believed in Clarkson's words. I just watch TG for the joy of it.


That's how the show SHOULD be watched.