View Full Version : Entry level Sport sedan comparo! BMW vs MB vs Audi , etc
LamborghiniZ
Oct 25, 2007, 3:25 PM
Look, I'm sure this has been done before on here. But seeing as I just joined this site, and am dreadfully curious as to see what all of you guys' opinions are on this comparison, here it goes.
Which would YOU take home?
Personally, it's 335i for me all the way. My dad has one with the sport package and the 6MT, it's a dream come true. Incredible acceleration, handling, perfect length and feel for the shifter, with a smooth clutch, forceful yet smooth breaks, sexy as hell (especially the coupe), and a nice, if not class leading, interior. Prime.
BMW 335i
http://www.millteksport.com/media/images/news/81.original.jpg
Audi A4 3.2
http://www.motorpoint.com.au/car_images/audi_a4_1.jpg
Mercedes Benz C350 Sport
http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/x/j/mb_08c350sport_ext.jpg
Infiniti G35S
http://www.autobytel.com/images/2007/Infiniti/G35SSedan_Staff/400/07_Infiniti_G35S_24.jpg
Acura TL Type-S
http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/3/S/ac_07TLTypeS.jpg
Lexus IS350
http://images.automotive.com/reviews/images/07-is350-hero.jpg
S-Tune_S1
Oct 25, 2007, 4:06 PM
i'de have the 335i .with a sport appearance kit . its got one nice engine . coupled with a smooth shifting transmission , and a sophisticated interior . close second would be the new merc c350 . only f had a bit more power .
mr2die4
Oct 25, 2007, 4:49 PM
As an overall car, performance and appearance its the 335i in a heart beat but, if it was in appearance alone it would be a tie betwen the 335i and the IS350.
EriK23z
Oct 25, 2007, 4:51 PM
Lexus IS350. I saw one on my way home and its drop dead gorgeous. It's on my wish list actually. :)
carguy1551987
Oct 25, 2007, 6:19 PM
Should have included the S60R, CTS, MKZ and 300C.
Anyways my vote goes for the G35S.
VTEC_Dreams
Oct 25, 2007, 6:25 PM
Volvo S40...
civic_VTI
Oct 25, 2007, 6:27 PM
lol i didnt see that in the list
BMW CLR 600
Oct 25, 2007, 7:10 PM
BMW for me. But I really like the Lexus...
carguy1551987
Oct 25, 2007, 7:31 PM
Volvo S40...
Look at price, dimensions and horsepower ratings.
The S60R clearly competes.
VTEC_Dreams
Oct 25, 2007, 8:33 PM
Look at price, dimensions and horsepower ratings.
The S60R clearly competes.
But the S60R is indeed a bit overpriced. An S40 with the T5 plus all the options is still a smidge cheaper than this bunch, and it's just as competitive, if a little smaller inside. Still, it's a better cruiser than (most) of this lot, and it's as engaging to drive as anything but that ugly-ass BMW.
It looks classier than just about everything on the road, to boot.
Scud-Ferrari
Oct 25, 2007, 9:15 PM
BMW 335 and then give the Lexus IS350,I love the Lexus.
Oscar590
Oct 25, 2007, 9:52 PM
IS 350 none of the others really look that appealing to me
car lover !!
Oct 25, 2007, 10:08 PM
Honda Civic Type R, 4 doors. It's available in Malaysia. :p
IS250 is the sexiest among them. I'm going with the BMW. I just like it. I would rather having 335i than having a 335i coupe. I don't like how the E90 3-series look but meh? ..
AWDfreak
Oct 25, 2007, 10:30 PM
The Lexus (350), Infiniti (AWD) and Mercedes-Benz are automatically out.
It's a battle between the BMW 335xi, Audi A4, and the Acura TL Type-S, because they have manual transmissions available. I "built my own" on each official site:
www.bmwusa.com
www.audiusa.com
www.acura.com
The prices listed are the prices w/ my options.
Audi A4 3.2: $39,850.00
Pros:
* cheapest (w/ my options)
* Quattro AWD
* nice sounding V6 (sounds great!!!)
Cons:
* 2nd heaviest (3649 lbs)
Acura TL Type-S: $40,637.99
Pros:
* Honda V6 Engine!!! (sounds great!!!)
* FWD stability
* lightest of the bunch (3559 lbs)
Cons:
* 2nd most expensive
* FWD understeer if pushed too hard
* 60/40 F/R weight distribution
BMW 335xi: $40,800
Pros:
* BMW xDrive AWD
* twin-turbo inline 6 (sounds great!!!)
* BMW's "50/50" weight distribution
Cons:
* heaviest of the bunch
* most expensive of the bunch
I'll choose the Audi. It's more rare (less likely to get stolen?), and, it's an Audi, it HAS to have a good AWD system (that was a noob-ish comment).....
EDIT: HOLY shiznit! It took me more than 30 min to compare these!.....
v@nQu!$h~$
Oct 25, 2007, 10:43 PM
Volvo S40...
Wooo! Someone who appreciates Scandinavian performance! Anyway, I'll take the 335i in this comparison but if I had it my way, Volvo S60R or the JDM Honda Civic Type-R...
VTEC_Dreams
Oct 25, 2007, 11:36 PM
Son, I AM Scandinavian.
I know about some Scandinavian digs.
LamborghiniZ
Oct 26, 2007, 2:42 AM
Should have included the S60R, CTS, MKZ and 300C.
Anyways my vote goes for the G35S.
Right, but then there would have been far too many options for this poll. I can't put what, 10 choices on here, can I? Realistically, the CTS and S60 could have been here, but the 330C is far too large and not in this performance class, and the MKZ is not a sports sedan.
jamesy
Oct 26, 2007, 3:52 AM
I would have to go with the C-Class. It looks so good and the interior is very nice. I saw one today and it did look very special. Plus its got a good range of engines. The BMW is a great car but I simply do not want it because it is a BMW. The Audi is a very good car but seems a bit boring. The Lexus is alright but not really to my taste. Looks good though. I don't really like the Infiniti and the Acura can't really be compared to the rest of these.
Vectra GTS
Oct 26, 2007, 6:40 AM
I'll take the Saab 93 XWD when it comes out. In the meantime, it's a toss between the BMW and the Lexus. The BMW is the better drive but the Lexus has better reliability and in Australia, 10x better service than BMW.
I'll still go with the BM because it'll probably give me a bigger smile on my face.
LamborghiniZ
Oct 26, 2007, 12:36 PM
Look at price, dimensions and horsepower ratings.
The S60R clearly competes.
Also consider the S60R is no longer in production. I was trying to keep it to production examples only, and let's be real, no other S60 can even think about competing in this group.
LamborghiniZ
Oct 26, 2007, 12:37 PM
I would have to go with the C-Class. It looks so good and the interior is very nice. I saw one today and it did look very special. Plus its got a good range of engines. The BMW is a great car but I simply do not want it because it is a BMW. The Audi is a very good car but seems a bit boring. The Lexus is alright but not really to my taste. Looks good though. I don't really like the Infiniti and the Acura can't really be compared to the rest of these.
The Infiniti can most CERTAINLY be compared. Great engine, great handling, not quite as good as the 335i, but it is the closest to replicating the BMW's driving dynamics. I drove a 335i and a G35S quite literally back to back, you should try sometime, it's telling.
firebird400
Oct 26, 2007, 9:11 PM
gimme the 335! I love that car. Great handling, amazing engine, sexy looks, awesome 6 speed. Its a winning combination.
Phoenix_22
Oct 26, 2007, 9:51 PM
It would be a hard choice between the Lexus, Audi, and BMW - wait, who am I kidding, I'll take the 335 by a wide margin, I really love everything about that car. Well, maybe not the interior so much (I'll take the Audi for that reason alone), but otherwise it is the best one overall.
Beef Eater
Oct 28, 2007, 12:28 AM
After driving about in my uncles old A4 2.6 Quattro I'd take the Audi. They feel so secure on the road and definitely well-built.
Attaus
Oct 28, 2007, 12:34 AM
The G35 or 7 whatever is laughable.. meaning that every time I see one, I start laughing. I don't know how they sell any.
I really like the looks of the new IS.. That's what I'm goin with.
astonmartin138
Oct 28, 2007, 7:12 AM
The BMW would be my first choice, but second has to be the IS because of its understated attitude, and the fact it is priced slightly more reasonably over here.
mikeyb
Oct 31, 2007, 4:48 PM
I'm torn between the 335i and G35s. I've driven both and they are very close in handling and performance.
But I have to vote for the 335i.
carguy1551987
Nov 04, 2007, 2:39 PM
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Tough Crowd
By Josh Jacquot, Senior Road Test Editor Email | Blog
Date posted: 11-04-2007
BMW's 335i has dominated our recent comparison tests like Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell would dominate Paul "Pee-wee Herman" Reubens in a face-punching contest. Its reign over counterparts from Infiniti, Lexus and Mercedes-Benz is as well documented on this site as the Iceman's rage-fueled rise to fame was on pay-per-view.
But every great performance must come to an end.
This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission.
Still, each car has its own personality, as each manufacturer's interpretation of sport, luxury and utility varies widely. So, too, does each car's as-tested price. However, the $11,000 spread that covers the field does so in almost direct proportion to each contender's feature and luxury content.
We've weighted scoring according to the priorities of the sport sedan buyer, giving equal measure to price and performance, followed by feature content and our 31-point evaluation.
5th Place: 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport
The fact that the new C-Class finishes last in this test is a testament to the fierce competition in this segment and the tiny differences in performance. Here's a car that costs less than the class average ($41,935, as tested), makes handling numbers on par with the best in the test and has a superb interface for its high-end audio and navigation systems. Plus it's built, well, like a Mercedes.
It's easy, however, to see where it falls short. It was best at nothing — bringing home 1st place in exactly zero categories. Perhaps the most costly miss is its powertrain performance. The Benz's 3.5-liter V6 is rated at 268 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque, making it the least powerful car in the test. Seven forward gears offer plenty of leverage on the road, but its acceleration still suffers. It hit 60 mph in a lazy (for this crowd) 5.9 seconds and stopped the quarter-mile clock in 14.3 seconds at 97.7 mph — the second-slowest car here. The trade-off for this lack of performance is the highest observed fuel economy in the test — a combined city/highway average of 20.6 mpg.
This isn't a particularly spacious car, with 88.2 cubic feet of passenger volume, although rear-seat room has increased some with 33.4 inches of legroom and 36.9 inches of headroom. Standard feature content, too, is a C-Class weak point. Mercedes either makes buyers pay extra or simply doesn't offer many of the features its competitors make available. Steering-wheel shift paddles, for example, aren't available on the C-Class until next year's advanced agility package becomes available. And let's face it; short of bumping output by 50 hp, nothing is going to make this car as agile as its competitors. Adaptive headlamps, a limited-slip differential and keyless start are also conspicuously unavailable.
The C350 Sport's unique appeal depends on what appears to be good build quality (a reaction to surprisingly poor quality ratings for this car in its previous iteration) and a stellar multimedia package (a $2,950 option) that combines a premium audio system with hard-drive music storage and a brilliant navigation system with an impressively easy-to-use interface.
The bottom line is that there's nothing wrong with the 2007 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport. It's a high-quality — if dispassionate — execution of the sport sedan genre. It's antiseptic in its rendering of performance numbers and utterly lacks the flamboyance of the Infiniti and BMW. And that's precisely the problem. It drives well, but there's nothing here that makes us want to get behind the wheel for more.
4th Place: 2008 Lexus IS 350
The 2008 Lexus IS 350 is the reason we put words between every car's performance numbers. It's fast thanks to a 3.5-liter V6 rated at 306 hp and 277 lb-ft of torque and a six-speed slushbox. It gets to 60 mph in 5.3 seconds, does the quarter-mile in 13.8 seconds at 101 mph and makes handling numbers that are within spitting distance of the best in the test. These dynamics shouldn't equal a 4th-place performance. Here's where those words come in handy.
Not one editor who scored this test was able to find the kind of personal connection with the Lexus that they felt behind the wheel of the top-scoring cars. Its awkward, synthetic steering, soft brake pedal and slow-responding transmission kept us from maximizing the Lexus' man-machine interface. Synthesizing the IS 350's abilities with one's own limits was near impossible, and it earned less confidence in its abilities than any other car in the test. And it's not because the IS is slow — far from it actually, as the IS's accelerative surge will tear your head off — but it just doesn't encourage the at-the-limit driving that we think should be a part of every true sport sedan's abilities. If this doesn't matter to you, then you should consider it more highly.
At $47,815, the Lexus IS 350 is the most expensive car in the test and, for the most part, it backs up that cost with a long list of features and luxury amenities. Keyless start and shift paddles that turn with the wheel are standard equipment. Our test car was optioned with $11,145 in equipment, including park assist, Lexus' pre-collision system and radar cruise control, the sport package and the $3,990 navigation system and premium audio package.
The IS's driving position as well as its front and rear seat comfort are lacking relative to others in the test. It offers 88.3 cubic feet of passenger volume, but rear seat legroom is only 30.6 inches, while headroom is 36.7 inches. Its navigation and audio system interface and secondary controls are also less intuitive to use than its competitors. It received high marks for build quality, scoring 2nd to the Mercedes.
In only three model years, the Lexus has become the old man of the sport sedan class. Partly, this is due to the rapid advances of its competition — both the Cadillac's and the Benz's navigation and audio systems are more refined (and cost less) — and to its balance of luxury and sport, which keeps it from connecting with the driver as powerfully as its competition does. Put simply, the Lexus is a fast, well-built sedan that lacks the spirit or value of its more engaging counterparts.
3rd Place: 2008 Cadillac CTS
The 2008 Cadillac CTS might just be the best car in the GM stable. In fact, remove the insane Z06 Corvette from the equation and nothing else from the General comes so close to hitting its design target. It's good. But the question remains: How well will the Caddy fare on the world stage?
Well. Very well.
Three-point-six liters of direct-injected V6 motivate the CTS's 3,990 pounds. It's the heaviest, longest, widest and tallest car in the test, which is both good and bad. When it comes to outright interior space, only the Infiniti comes close. There are 98.0 cubic feet of interior passenger volume, and rear-seat legroom is 35.9 inches while rear headroom is 37.2 inches. But with about the same power as the others, the extra pork makes it slower. The benchmark 60 mph comes up in 6.3 seconds and the quarter-mile crawls past in 14.8 seconds at 95 mph.
But when it comes to turning and stopping, the big Caddy has almost as much hustle as its smaller, lighter competition. It recorded the shortest 60-0 stopping distance of the group at 109 feet and tied the Infiniti for the highest lateral grip at 0.89g. It was the only car that didn't exceed 68 mph in the slalom, but its 67.2-mph pass makes it no slouch.
Inside, the CTS is the best-appointed car in the test. Not only have its interior quality and materials leapt ahead of the C-Class and G35, but its design is as striking as it is functional. From the leather-swathed details to the brilliantly capable and easy-to-use navigation and audio system, this is simply a nice car to be inside.
And it drives well, too. Our test car, equipped with the FE-3 Performance Package, not only makes the numbers but also proves genuinely engaging to drive. Drop a few gears before bending the CTS into a turn and it matches revs for every downshift. And when the turn arrives, there's a combination of grip and balance that moves the CTS well beyond the Lexus and Benz on the fun-to-drive meter. It's this combination of on-the-road poise, interior spaciousness and world-class entertainment and navigation options that earn this car 3rd place. At $44,715, its cost — like its finishing position — is right in the middle of the group.
2nd Place: 2007 BMW 335i
Known for its unrivaled ability to mix sports car performance with luxury car comfort, BMW's 335i presents the best overall compromise of speed and comfort in the sport sedan segment. But it comes at a price. At $38,900 the 335i has the highest base price in this test. Add in the Premium Package, Sport Package, automatic transmission and several other options and our test car gets a price tag of $46,650, second only to the ludicrously optioned Lexus.
Traditionally, the 335i's acceleration is staggering, and while this car's 5.0-second run to 60 mph isn't as quick as we've recorded in past tests, it's still 0.3 second quicker than the Lexus. Its advantage diminishes to only 0.2 second by the end of the quarter-mile, which comes in 13.6 seconds at 103 mph. It also pulls 0.86g around the skid pad, slaloms at 68.9 mph and stops from 60 mph in 112 feet. Combined, this is the best overall dynamic performance in the test.
Under the Bimmer's hood lies the reason for all the go-fast. The 3.0-liter twin-turbocharged inline-6 is rated at 300 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque, and it has the most flexible engine performance here. Once it's coupled to the remarkably tractable six-speed automatic transmission, which is as at home on the racetrack as it is on Rodeo Drive, this powertrain becomes the one to beat.
The 335i also brings home the most recommended ratings, which means we would suggest it to a friend over any other car in the test. It even won our lengthy 31-point evaluation, which appraises everything from control feel to cupholder design. It's moderately spacious at 93.0 cubic feet of passenger volume, and there are 34.6 inches of rear-seat legroom and 37.5 inches of rear headroom.
Still, there are some obvious oversights. As the quickest-accelerating car in the group, the 335i stands to benefit the most from a mechanical limited-slip differential — a feature it notably lacks despite the car's high cost. And for this kind of money, it should have a navigation system. But once you check that box on the order sheet, the price of the BMW rises perilously close to the $50,000 mark.
But behind the wheel, the 335i is the most intuitive and easy-to-drive car here — not to mention the fastest. It's also the most comfortable. And that's a tough combination to beat.
1st Place: 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport
Put simply, the 2007 Infiniti G35 wins this test because it's outstanding to drive and it gives you the most car for your money. Its $36,800 as-tested price is the lowest in the test. But the real value is what it gives you, because the G35 has the most standard features of any car here and combines this accomplishment with all-around performance second only to the 335i.
All G35 Sport models come standard with shift paddles, a limited-slip differential and keyless start. And for an additional $2,650 our test car featured XM Satellite Radio and the Premium Package, which includes niceties like a power sunroof, a Bose premium audio system and memory settings for the driver seat, steering wheel and side mirrors, plus a mountain of other goodies. This is the most spacious car in this test with 99.0 cubic feet of passenger volume, rear-seat legroom measures 34.7 inches and rear-seat headroom is 37.7 inches.
The G35's power plant is the same 3.5-liter V6 used in virtually every other Nissan and Infiniti product, but it feels most at home here, under the hood of this stellar sedan. In G35 trim, the VQ35 cranks out 306 hp and 268 lb-ft of torque through the best automatic transmission in the class. The G's five-speed tranny not only responds quickest to the throttle, but also has the sharpest, most aggressive gearchanges (with rev-matched downshifts) of any automatic we've ever driven. And it feels as comfortable while blasting between gears with hard-hitting precision at full throttle as it does swapping cogs with a simple switch and slide in commuter traffic.
The G35 is the most stiffly sprung and heavily damped car here. As a result, its ride is busy and its responses walk a fine line between quick and simply nervous. But driven with a purpose, the Infiniti is the most capable car in this test when it comes to handling. Our track numbers confirm this with a best-in-test performance on the skid pad with a 0.89g mark and in the slalom with a 69.4-mph mark.
And when it comes to getting down the road, the G35 is right in the mix. The 60-mph mark disappears in 5.5 seconds and the quarter-mile is gone in 13.9 seconds at 102 mph. It scrubs off 60 mph in just 111 feet, second only to the CTS with its sticky Michelin tires.
If there is a soft spot in the G's armor, it's inside the cabin, where the design and materials aren't always as elegant as other examples in the segment. Our test car was a high-mileage unit and it showed wear on the shift knob and kick panels. Overall, however, these are small nits to pick for a car that delivers in every other area for thousands of dollars less.
The Verdict
With few exceptions, the performance of these five sport sedans is covered by mere tenths of a second or a few miles per hour. The BMW's acceleration, as usual, is striking, while the Cadillac lags behind considerably. Handling numbers, however, are a virtual wash among all the contenders.
This leaves the decision-making to more subjective means and personal taste, which is ultimately what most buyers rely upon in any case. The fact is, all five of these sedans are excellent cars. And it's not hard to find reasons to buy any of them.
We simply find the Infiniti's combination of engaging driving character, high feature content and low cost to be the most appealing. Plus, all great performances must come to an end sometime. Just ask The Iceman.
1st: Infiniti G35 Sport
2nd: BMW 335i
3rd: Cadillac CTS
4th: Lexus IS350
5th: Mercedes C350 Sport
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