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12 inch pianist
Oct 05, 2004, 3:17 AM
Group B was the fastest and therefore most dangerous rally event most of us will probably hear of. Every year the cars got fastest and more drivers had fatal crashes but with a minium 200 car homologation it produced some mean street cars.
Audi Quattro Sport
http://www.audiquattrofan.de/audiquattrofan/20jahresportquattro/images/vor_der_fahrt1.jpg
Layout: Front-engined, 4wd.
Engine: Inline-5, dohc, 4v/cyl, turbo.
Capacity: 2133 c.c.
Power: 300 hp
Torque: 243 lbft
Gearbox: 5M
Weight: 1000 kg
Top speed: 155 mph
0-60 mph: 4.8 sec
Ford RS200
http://www.306gti6.co.uk/gallery/shows/2003/lyddenhill/pictures/ford%20rs200%2001.jpg
Layout: Mid-engined, 4wd
Engine: Inline-4, dohc, 4v/cyl, turbo.
Capacity:1803 c.c.
Power: 250 hp
Torque: 215 lbft
Gearbox: 5M
Weight: N/A
Top speed: 139 mph
0-60 mph: 6.0 sec
Lancia 037 Groupe B
http://www.carclassic.com/images7/DJ19/DJ19-1.jpg
Layout: Mid-engined, Rwd
Engine: Inline-4, dohc, 4v/cyl, supercharger
Capacity: 1995 c.c.
Power: 205 hp
Torque:173 lbft
Gearbox: 5M
Weight: 1170 kg
Top speed:137 mph (estimated)
0-60 mph: 7.0 sec (estimated)
Lancia Delta S4
http://home.planet.nl/~koper193/lanciadelta_s4_road.jpg
Layout: Mid-engined, 4wd
Engine: Inline-4, dohc, 4v/cyl, turbo, supercharger.
Capacity: 1759 c.c.
Power: 250 hp
Torque: 214 lbft
Gearbox: 5M
Weight: 1200 kg
Top speed: 140 mph (claimed)
0-60 mph: 6.0 sec (claimed)
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16
http://www.peugeotperformance.net/gallery/205/205t16_street/205_turbo16_1_10_large.jpg
Layout: Mid-engined, 4wd
Engine: Inline-4, dohc, 4v/cyl, turbo.
Capacity: 1759 c.c.
Power: 195 hp
Torque: 188 lbft
Gearbox: 5M
Weight: 1145 kg
Top speed: 130 mph
0-60 mph: 6.0 sec
Renault 5 GT Turbo 2
http://rsiauto.free.fr/images/RENAULT/R5_Turbo/1.jpg
Layout: Mid-engined, 4wd
Engine: Inline-4, sohc, 2v/cyl, turbo.
Capacity: 1527 c.c.
Power: 160 bhp
Torque: 155 lbft
Gearbox: 5M
Weight: 970 kg
Top speed: 125 mph
0-60 mph: 6.9 sec
Citroën BX 4TC*
http://koti.mbnet.fi/css/bx/4tcpics/bx4tc2.jpg
Layout: Front-engined, 4wd.
Engine: Inline-4, sohc, 2v/cyl, turbo.
Capacity: 2141 c.c.
Power: 200 bhp
Torque: 217 lbft
Gearbox: 5M
Weight: 1280 kg
Top speed: 138 mph
0-60 mph: 7.5 sec
Dimitris
Oct 05, 2004, 8:21 AM
i don't know for sure i like T16 , GT and ford too, hard question. :?
but i am sure you like better the T16!
Mopar68
Oct 05, 2004, 9:57 AM
It's a toss up between the Lancia 037 or the Ford RS200. I like the both of them for their Mid engined layout. The citroen is just downright ugly though.
Jacol
Oct 05, 2004, 1:36 PM
Audi Quattro Sport for me, IMO it just was the best street car from the cars that were racing in Group B.
Ghalos
Oct 05, 2004, 2:30 PM
The Lancia 037 just looks like a badass racer on the street, as such, and since I don't know much about Group B, that's my choice. :P
SubaruKid37
Oct 05, 2004, 3:33 PM
oh my.... oh my.....
how can I choose from these cars, that I see in my dreams, a favourite, why that would be unfair on the rest.....
at least BluCam cant delete this one... but I must say 12inch, a wonderful collection, but I know the Citroen is not my fav, I like it, but not loads... so I am afraid I cannot choose...
now i must stop looking at the cars before i drool too much :P
SpeedMuse
Oct 05, 2004, 4:57 PM
All of these cars are completely sick! :twisted: Out of them I'd probably go with the Audi Quattro Sport or the Lancia 037. The RS is nice as well, but I just dont think it compares to the others. Also, isn't the Audi Quattro Sport called the S1, or am I thinking of a different car? Maybe a road-going version or something, I dunno...
Maserati Man
Oct 05, 2004, 7:30 PM
sooooooo easily the audi.
Mopar68
Oct 05, 2004, 8:16 PM
why?
igaboj
Oct 05, 2004, 8:50 PM
The quattro.. simply because of the quattro S1. It just comes to mind when you have the 2 phrases "rally" and "awesome".. :twisted:
12 inch pianist
Oct 05, 2004, 8:59 PM
The Audi Quattro Sport S1 was the rally car with the snowplough wing
CarRocker
Oct 06, 2004, 9:33 AM
Audi, it looks awesome, it was the first car with AWD, it has a magnificent engine(the 5 cylinder).
A very, very good second, the Lancia 037. It's a beast
mattwrx100
Oct 06, 2004, 6:09 PM
it's a toss up for me between the Audi sport Quattro and the 037 cant decide they are both amazing cars
12 inch pianist
Oct 06, 2004, 6:36 PM
Audi, it looks awesome, it was the first car with AWD
That was the Jensen FF, i think the audi was the first to have it controlled by an ECU
Attaus
Oct 06, 2004, 6:46 PM
Sure the Lancia looks great, but it weighs 110kg more, has an ugly wing in the rear, and has less power than the Quattro not to mention that its not AWD. Those were my number one and two choices.. so I go for the Audi.
Mopar68
Oct 06, 2004, 6:49 PM
I also like the fact that the Lancia 037 is supercharged. It stand out from the turbo crowd.
SubaruKid37
Oct 06, 2004, 6:58 PM
Audi, it looks awesome, it was the first car with AWD
That was the Jensen FF, i think the audi was the first to have it controlled by an ECU
The Jenson was the first car to use 4WD, Audi just made it work :lol: and the first WRC car to use it also...
SpeedMuse
Oct 06, 2004, 7:36 PM
The Audi Quattro Sport S1 was the rally car with the snowplough wing
Sounds sweet, thanks for clearing that up for me.
If this pic I found is right, it almost looks like a pike's peak variant.
http://www.motorimania.it/manifestazioni/autodarally/images_rally/b_audi_quattro_s1_14.jpg
MattMerce
Oct 06, 2004, 8:38 PM
I like the style and performance of the Audi best but the Lancia 037 is really cool-looking too.
jimkk29
Oct 07, 2004, 5:17 PM
Audi, it looks awesome, it was the first car with AWD, it has a magnificent engine(the 5 cylinder).
A very, very good second, the Lancia 037. It's a beast
I agree with CarRocker, IMO the Audi Quattro was the greatest rally car of all time, so I'm sure the street car will be unimaginable.
And the Lancia comes second, it is just awesome.
MattMerce
Oct 07, 2004, 8:56 PM
Which Lancia?
jimkk29
Oct 08, 2004, 7:14 AM
The 037 I meant.
sauron
Oct 08, 2004, 8:23 AM
Audi, it looks awesome, it was the first car with AWD, it has a magnificent engine(the 5 cylinder).
A very, very good second, the Lancia 037. It's a beast
I agree with CarRocker, IMO the Audi Quattro was the greatest rally car of all time, so I'm sure the street car will be unimaginable.
And the Lancia comes second, it is just awesome.
Actually the best of these cars is the Peugeot.
This car won group B in 1986 before it was all shut down.
But i'd take the RS200 anyway, it's a much better roadcar, especially if it is the Evo version.
SubaruKid37
Oct 08, 2004, 9:17 AM
Actually the best of these cars is the Peugeot.
This car won group B in 1986 before it was all shut down.
I'm hoping that was meant as an opinion, so it won the championship, so did other cars, Audi had the best drive system, and even the 037 manged to keep up with it on many stages and still provide some competition. Lancia is still the most sucessful rally team ever, that has to count for something :lol:
Mopar68
Oct 08, 2004, 8:26 PM
I thionk if group B continued, Lanica would rule over all. I know audi was thinking up that 1000hp rally car, but Lancia would have thought of something more extreme.
12 inch pianist
Oct 09, 2004, 12:14 AM
But Group B would need some special new technology to flog. The orginal series brought 4WD to the masses in sports cars and later saloons which is why it did so damn well, now a days there would have to be something else special.
SubaruKid37
Oct 09, 2004, 9:29 AM
But Group B would need some special new technology to flog. The orginal series brought 4WD to the masses in sports cars and later saloons which is why it did so damn well, now a days there would have to be something else special.
extendable wings for flying :lol: ?? :P
12 inch pianist
Oct 09, 2004, 9:32 AM
How bout James Bond esque underwater
SubaruKid37
Oct 09, 2004, 9:37 AM
or real cars that defy gravity.... :roll:
group b wasnt all about that, sure it was about new technology mostly, but I think it would still exist today if it wasnt cancelled...
a 700bhp mid engined Ford Focus
650bhp Peugeot 406 Coupe
700bhp Audi S3
it works for me :wink: 8)
12 inch pianist
Oct 09, 2004, 9:42 AM
I want to see a F420 Evo and a GT2 Groupe B
SubaruKid37
Oct 09, 2004, 9:52 AM
I want to see a F420 Evo and a GT2 Groupe B
F420 EVO.... either i'm too tired to remember it, or I dont know that car...
how about I whip up a GT2 GrpB racer on photoshop? :lol:
12 inch pianist
Oct 09, 2004, 9:59 AM
as in a desendant of the 288 GTO but an F430
SubaruKid37
Oct 09, 2004, 10:02 AM
as in a desendant of the 288 GTO but an F430
ahh yes, would be nice
12 inch pianist
Oct 09, 2004, 10:05 AM
So i can FINALLY get my Porsche vs. Ferrari rally
Mopar68
Oct 09, 2004, 11:13 PM
Man, there is point where fantasy turns into silliness. An F430 GTO? Please. That thing would never touch dirt ever. A GT2 EVO? Nah, they'd use the GT3.
12 inch pianist
Oct 10, 2004, 1:42 AM
Dude im talking bout a succesor to the 288 GTO Evo and 959 Groupe B
SubaruKid37
Oct 10, 2004, 10:04 AM
Man, there is point where fantasy turns into silliness. An F430 GTO? Please. That thing would never touch dirt ever. A GT2 EVO? Nah, they'd use the GT3.
you really think? you do realise there is a 355 that was used for rallying, so if someone wanted, they could easily make the F430 rallyable, and for Porsche, we already know about the GT3 rallycar, but there is always a chance if the competition was steep enough for porsche to bring their £120k GT2 onto the dirt. Its not as hard as you think it is to make supercars into rally cars.
Mopar68
Oct 10, 2004, 7:45 PM
i know it's not hard. I just dont think i'd happen is all i'm saying. Now as for this 355 rally car, got any info or specs or pics on it?
SubaruKid37
Oct 11, 2004, 2:13 PM
i know it's not hard. I just dont think i'd happen is all i'm saying. Now as for this 355 rally car, got any info or specs or pics on it?
i'll have a look for you... but it was like a once off, used the roll cage etc from the Challenge... as I said, its rare... so there must be some info somewhere :lol: i'll get looking for you :wink:
Vectra GTS
Oct 14, 2004, 6:03 AM
Audi...the car that started 4WD rally and killed the competition when it came out.
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