Which is better???

*yawn*

Dude, this isn't really a good comparo. Don't worry, my first thread was worse. Please read the thread advice sticky. Also, please post pics and specs at the very least.

http://www.sportscarforums.com/f11/make-great-comparisons-just-3-steps-21746.html

They're in different car classes. But, performance wise, they are close.

The Mustang would be great for drag racing, but I'd rather have the EVO because I love rally.....

Depends on the mustang, depends on the Evo..

If it's an Evo VI , Evo VII or a Galant VR-4/Evo I Then the Evo..

If it's a 8 9 or any of the other garbage ones america got ahold of by the f'in boat load. then i'd take your avg run of the mill POS ford beater any day...

lol my bad. thanks 4 da advise

which is better? I guess that depends on our different tastes and opinions...I like the Mustang better...be a little more specific.

btw, this guy is a friend of mine ppl

ya it just depends how tune both cars

English is the language we use at this forum...try not to slaughter it too badly.

Dawg.

Evo ftw...

Evo FQ400 0-60 in 3.5 secs as I recall?
Mustang V8 0-60 in 4.9 secs R&T Mag as I recall?
Evo FQ400 top speed is 282km/h I recall?
Mustang V8 top speed around 240km/h I recall?
Evo is AWD
Mustang is not

Need I say more:p

Plus the Evo is like 20 times rarer and cooler too...lol

EDIT: But if you're talking about the new Evo...then the Mustang will slaughter it prodly

Evo ftw...

Evo FQ400 0-60 in 3.5 secs as I recall?
Mustang V8 0-60 in 4.9 secs R&T Mag as I recall?
Evo FQ400 top speed is 282km/h I recall?
Mustang V8 top speed around 240km/h I recall?
Evo is AWD
Mustang is not

Need I say more:p

Plus the Evo is like 20 times rarer and cooler too...lol

EDIT: But if you're talking about the new Evo...then the Mustang will slaughter it prodly
If your going to compare the FQ400, it probably has to be the GT500.
You cant compare a modified EVo to an entry level mustang...

I'm going to say Mustang simply because your name is MR. EVO.

again if its an Evo VI then yes . other than that ill have to pick the Mustang

drag strip= mustang
circut race= evo

Evo ftw...

Evo FQ400 0-60 in 3.5 secs as I recall?
Mustang V8 0-60 in 4.9 secs R&T Mag as I recall?
Evo FQ400 top speed is 282km/h I recall?
Mustang V8 top speed around 240km/h I recall?
Evo is AWD
Mustang is not

Need I say more:p

Plus the Evo is like 20 times rarer and cooler too...lol

EDIT: But if you're talking about the new Evo...then the Mustang will slaughter it prodlyWhat's the 0-60 in a GT500? lol

drag strip= mustang
circut race= evoUm... have you ever seen a GT500 or even a Saleen on a road course?

You take an Evo and I'll run against you in a Saleen Mustang around Laguna Seca and when you're sliding off the top of the corkscrew because of your 'AWD' don't get mad at me for laughing at you... lol

But dude AWD and AYC is the best thing evarrr!

You take an Evo and I'll run against you in a Saleen Mustang around Laguna Seca and when you're sliding off the top of the corkscrew because of your 'AWD' don't get mad at me for laughing at you... lol

monkey if it was someone else who said that i would think they are wrong but you never seem to be wrong lol

Oh I'm wrong quite often but I've also taken a Saleen around a track and I've taken an STi around Seca.

I wasn't really aiming that comment AT you, you just happened to be the one that said it! lol... AWD isn't all it's cracked up to be on a crazy asphalt track like that. The weight transfer screws with the power distribution. On a dirt/asphalt rally course you can't beat an Evo or WRX.

Oh I'm wrong quite often but I've also taken a Saleen around a track and I've taken an STi around Seca.

I wasn't really aiming that comment AT you, you just happened to be the one that said it! lol... AWD isn't all it's cracked up to be on a crazy asphalt track like that. The weight transfer screws with the power distribution. On a dirt/asphalt rally course you can't

dont worry i dont take it personally but mustangs are rare in where i live (u.k) so ive never driven one (well apart from forza lol)

lol... understandable. They're nothing like they are in Forza. As much as I dislike Mustangs and Ford in general (don't let Slow read this! lol) I have a spot in my heart for the Saleen line...

You take an Evo and I'll run against you in a Saleen Mustang around Laguna Seca and when you're sliding off the top of the corkscrew because of your 'AWD' don't get mad at me for laughing at you... lol

Well, to be fair a Saleen is a modified Mustang with huge improvements not only in the engine but the suspension and handling department as well. I feel like if you did similar modifications to an Evo, it would be a very close race. But I would still take the mustang because I too am a fan of rear wheel drive on a circuit.

i love this saleen:
http://www.madness-us-cars.com/actualite-vehicules-americains/belles-americaines/saleen-tom-cruise-0.jpg

This is just too wide open for a good comparison. If he was referring to the mustang in my garage now, I would have to say the evo is faster through twisties. But it is MUCH MUCH cooler to cruise around in a classic ragtop, and I'll bet mine is a lot more rare. Also while I drive mine it appreciates in value while the evo depreciates.......

lol... understandable. They're nothing like they are in Forza. As much as I dislike Mustangs and Ford in general (don't let Slow read this! lol) I have a spot in my heart for the Saleen line...
Too late har har! All your posts of Ford Loving admittance are belong to me! :D

The thing to consider (Regardless that this is in the wrong section) with these two cars is intent. If you are the average guy who likes cars, but probably won't ever do anything with one modification wise, then the Evo may be a better car for you.

Flat out with modifications, the Mustang stomps the Evo. The Mustang has been and probably will continue to be the ultimate utilitarian do-it-all budget car. I mean, I spent 5k on mine, and still have 45% of the Griggs kit left to put in, but it all came WITH the car for that price, and it will certainly pull over 1g lateral when everything is dialed in. Speaking with John Griggs, 1.3g is possible and very common on full on slicks.

Thats Evo destroying territory there.

1/4 Mile assaults are also dominated by the Mustang in an almost unfair fashion, as all the huffing anf puffing from that little 4 cylinder in the Evo, could never compensate.

I will admit to being biased against Evo's, simply because I think it is a substandard car compared to the WRX, which I also am not terribly fond of. Although I do like the robustness of the flat-4, and by sheer design alone would wager the ScoobyDoo engines reliability vs the inline-4 of the Mitsubitchy any day.

I will say stock to stock the Evo is a pretty good deal though. In the end though, in the crazy "Builder/Tuner" world, its nothing but roadkill.

By the way Monkey,..its ALL about the S351. That car could even step on Vipers of the day with low speed roll-ons.

this one a'int bad either...

http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/aceacademy/students/hs/Student_Folders/Wellburn_Jonathan/tb_saleen-lg.jpg

i think your going a bit off topic firebird lol

Well, to be fair a Saleen is a modified Mustang with huge improvements not only in the engine but the suspension and handling department as well. I feel like if you did similar modifications to an Evo, it would be a very close race. But I would still take the mustang because I too am a fan of rear wheel drive on a circuit.Yes but, the Saleen is available at any Ford dealership so technically it is a factory production car.

Too late har har! All your posts of Ford Loving admittance are belong to me! :D

By the way Monkey,..its ALL about the S351. That car could even step on Vipers of the day with low speed roll-ons.Whatever! lol

Yes, the S351 is sweet but... I'll take a nice little old 327 with a Quadrajet in front of an M21 any old day! lol

What's the 0-60 in a GT500? lol

Um... have you ever seen a GT500 or even a Saleen on a road course?

You take an Evo and I'll run against you in a Saleen Mustang around Laguna Seca and when you're sliding off the top of the corkscrew because of your 'AWD' don't get mad at me for laughing at you... lol
true dat....

What's the 0-60 in a GT500? lol

Um... have you ever seen a GT500 or even a Saleen on a road course?

You take an Evo and I'll run against you in a Saleen Mustang around Laguna Seca and when you're sliding off the top of the corkscrew because of your 'AWD' don't get mad at me for laughing at you... lol

Evo FQ400 will still pwn it in every single possible way...

oh yea...and GT500 0-60 is 4.5 secs...ouch...a full one second off:eek::p.

And if we were comparing the Evo FQ360, or even the Evo IX...I believe the Mustang V8 still won't be able to catch up.

The thing to consider (Regardless that this is in the wrong section) with these two cars is intent. If you are the average guy who likes cars, but probably won't ever do anything with one modification wise, then the Evo may be a better car for you.
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Um... No. Evos are EXTREMELY commonly modified. In fact its rather rare to see on thats NOT modified. And im just talking about here in the states. To the extent of the mustang, probably not, i mean we're talking 55+ year old heritige here vs a 14 yr for the 4 banger


Flat out with modifications, the Mustang stomps the Evo. The Mustang has been and probably will continue to be the ultimate utilitarian do-it-all budget car. I mean, I spent 5k on mine, and still have 45% of the Griggs kit left to put in, but it all came WITH the car for that price, and it will certainly pull over 1g lateral when everything is dialed in. Speaking with John Griggs, 1.3g is possible and very common on full on slicks.


Like i said to the maker of this shoddy comparison, thats not stock for stock. I mean lets pick up a '93 EVO II (its that the year of ur Fox?) and give it the same amount of suspension mods....

it gets complicated when it stock VS non stock. BUT im probably not going to leave this thread with the belife that the pony car is a superior handling machine, or that it even that the 'stang breaks a sweat trouncing the EVO on the straights...

Theese cars are nearly polar opposites. bad comparo really.
And, for the record, EVO > STI, anyday. Look at all the records set in their homeland.
And thats coming from aguy who has an WRX parked in his driveway! :p

Um... No. Evos are EXTREMELY commonly modified. In fact its rather rare to see on thats NOT modified. And im just talking about here in the states. To the extent of the mustang, probably not, i mean we're talking 55+ year old heritige here vs a 14 yr for the 4 banger

Ummm, no. My reference was made to point out that for stock to stock numbers, without saying "Im going to go balls out on this car", the Evo is probably a better all around value.

It all has to do with intent.


Like i said to the maker of this shoddy comparison, thats not stock for stock. I mean lets pick up a '93 EVO II (its that the year of ur Fox?) and give it the same amount of suspension mods....

Sure please do. It will still get hammered in the posterior. Have you ever seen IMSA AIX cars? Same precise suspension as found on my car. Mine is a '89 btw.

it gets complicated when it stock VS non stock. BUT im probably not going to leave this thread with the belife that the pony car is a superior handling machine, or that it even that the 'stang breaks a sweat trouncing the EVO on the straights...

Driving a WRX I could see how you might be clouded...;)

My viewpoint is simple, and can be factually substantiated.

The Mustang is superior when all out mods are applied. Factory to factory, the Evo is the clear victor over a GT.


Theese cars are nearly polar opposites. bad comparo really.
And, for the record, EVO > STI, anyday. Look at all the records set in their homeland.
And thats coming from aguy who has an WRX parked in his driveway! :p

Yeah you mean like the no-restriction runs the Skyline had against Australian V8 supercars, that got people going "OMFG GODZIIWWAAA".

Its so easy to say "Look what they've done in their home country". Its a lot easier to say, "They haven't done diddly-squat over here.", because thats the truth. By the way, you should visit griggsracing.com.

Might be interested in some of the videos there. :)

I want to buy a white or yellow S351

Evo FQ400 will still pwn it in every single possible way...

oh yea...and GT500 0-60 is 4.5 secs...ouch...a full one second off:eek::p.

And if we were comparing the Evo FQ360, or even the Evo IX...I believe the Mustang V8 still won't be able to catch up.

If the EVO could catch the Mustang, and understand that this is a very big "IF" because I do not think it will, give it a couple years and it will NOT!
I have yet to hear one EVO owner/fan honestly address one simple point. The constant high heat ranges, on the piston skirts, in those engines causes the compression rings to lose tension. This means lower compression, more blowby, and oil contamination it the combustion chamber. The power looks good on paper, with a new engine, but that is where it ends

Which is why people swap in CP9A Evo VI 4g63T's into other 4g cars.

Id knew id get a quick, frothing at the mouth response, lol



Its so easy to say "Look what they've done in their home country". Its a lot easier to say, "They haven't done diddly-squat over here.", because thats the truth. By the way, you should visit griggsracing.com.

i was comparing the Subie to the Lancer when i was talking about homelands; mainly the tksuba (sp?) circuit the japanese hold so highly.... Wasn't talking about the stang.


Sure please do. It will still get hammered in the posterior. Have you ever seen IMSA AIX cars? Same precise suspension as found on my car. Mine is a '89 btw.
Um... thats a full on race car, so yeah it should handle very well

Now I know Top Gear comparisons aren't the bible, but I do remember the Evo FQ400, (since that seems to be the current one under discussion) laying down an impressive run against a Lamborghini Murcielago and clocking an great time around their test course, much in line with cars like the C6 Z06, and I think I remember the Zonda C12 being around there. I haven't seen that episode in a while but sure someone could find it on the net somewhere.

As far as which is better; I don't know. I haven't seen a directcomparison, but I am well aware of both their capabilities. I would choose the Evo personally.

Jonny, between subbie and Mitsu on Tsukuba..dude that's been back and forth for how long?
with every new edition of the car some company like du-luck or JUN set a new record on that track

Jonny, between subbie and Mitsu on Tsukuba..dude that's been back and forth for how long?
with every new edition of the car some company like du-luck or JUN set a new record on that track
The cyber-evo was trounced? Or am I just really far behind?

Well by cyber evo do you mean the "Cyber evo" or is this some nick name?

Cause the cyber was beaten by a skyline, which was beaten by the HKS carbon evo

cyber got beat by a skyline
shitty.....
And it beat a skyline when it got the record too....
what tuner/driver? + who holds the record now?

Skyline was by M-Speed
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/mods/only.in.japan/m.speed.skyline.gt.r.500.jpg

HKS Evo is...well just a beast
http://images.turbomagazine.com/features/0610turp_01z+mitsubishi_lancer_evolution _8+left_front_view.jpg

Last I checked it was Taniguchi in the HKS carbon Evo

Id knew id get a quick, frothing at the mouth response, lol

Not frothing. Just direct and forward. You should expect that by now. In fact, I clearly stated my position. ;)

i was comparing the Subie to the Lancer when i was talking about homelands; mainly the tksuba (sp?) circuit the japanese hold so highly.... Wasn't talking about the stang.

Gotcha

Um... thats a full on race car, so yeah it should handle very well

Exact same suspension, and I can get the Stang, even in Cali, down to around race spec weights.

Woah.. pop a squat big boy you're in for a lesson.

Since you failed to mention which Mustang vs. which Evo (like a true champ) I'm going to randomly pick..

The EVO VIII runs to 60 in about 5.1 seconds... where as the Mustang gallops to 60 in 4.9. And that's just 0-60.

So.. how exactly is it every category? Or should I talk lIkE tHIs

an very vague topic to begin (if you're even slightly familiar with sportcars), Mr. EVO just throws it out to the sportcarforums.com wolves and lets them tear it apart. i love it, it's quite entertaining. the power that someone with a grand total of 6 posts, which amount to an impressive 6 not-so-complete sentences in total is quite astonishing. i won't even add to the topic anymore, what would have to be said has been covered already...




If it's a 8 9 or any of the other garbage ones america got ahold of by the f'in boat load. then i'd take your avg run of the mill POS ford beater any day...

sounds to me like you're putting down a great car because we (the states) started to receive them?

garbage ones? haha. i have friends that own cayman's, s13's, s14's 350z's, STi's and WRX's, an r32 and r33 Skyline, Mazda FC's and FD's, MK III's and IV's just to throw some names of real car guys that i hang with and work on cars with on a daily basis; they all have driven and love the Evo XIII and XI.

if this is true and i'm THAT far off from enjoying my evo VIII everyday i get into it to drive to work i think i should sell it and think about importing a VII. or maybe start looking at POS fords?

Maybe AWD...maybe....

I mean, I know friends who owe everything you've mentioned short of R33's, on top of that Gallardo's, C4S's and S200's.

all of which can say from the bottom of their heart they can't stand VIII's and IX's at all, but they also hate SRT-4's and Scions...But maybe they're just grouping cars into the "i got a big college loan/grant" category

Oh and let the flaming begin...

But before Attaus and everyone else in here rips into you for being more of a pompous ass then EVEN ME, I need to clear some things up.

The standard Mitsubishi Evolution VIII will NOT do 0-60 in UNDER 5 seconds. The time is actually closer to 5.3. This is also completely dumping the clutch and nearly destroying the whole car. The Mustang on the other hand can run it's time many times without breaking.

You may also want to consider that there could be a chance that before you fly off the handle, you MIGHT be wrong. In you're case, I'd DEFINITELY consider doing that.

searched Google for "Evo vs Mustang"; this was the very first video. Google is never wrong and has put an end to this debate!

Evo vs Mustang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9blod49UB6k)

(heres "Mustang vs Evo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5pRloyxehI)" to make it officially fair)

heh, the majority of the videos that came up seem to depict japanese domination. maybe those POS ford owners can't afford a proper video recorder to capture their own kills?


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You may also want to consider that there could be a chance that before you fly off the handle, you MIGHT be wrong. In you're case, I'd DEFINITELY consider doing that.

here on sportscarforums.com nobody is ever wrong. i am so happy that i made the decision to leave closedmindedsportscarfanatics.com a long time ago and found this sanctuary.

searched Google for 'Evo vs Mustang"; this was the very first video. Google is never wrong and has put an end to this debate!

Evo vs Mustang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9blod49UB6k)

heh, the majority of the videos that came up seem to depict japanese domination. maybe those POS ford owners can't afford a proper video recorder to capture their own kills?




here on sportscarforums.com nobody is ever wrong. i am so happy that i made the decision to leave closedmindedsportscarfanatics.com a long time ago and found this sanctuary.

i prefer an evo to a stang but that vid doesnt prove **** because i can find videos of a civic beating a viper but that dont mean its faster

Mustang.. because i am a mustang lover:p.. i should've wrote that as my username:p... and Mr.Evo.. i thought it said Mr.EMo first:p...

Has anybody else noticed that EVERY TIME an asian import is compared to American muscle, the asian fanboys want to pull up "Tuned" asian cars, and compare then to stock American cars. Then cost of mods relaibility, and longevity are never considered for the asian cars.

Manipulation of the facts is a sure sign that you know you are backing a loser, even if you don't want to admit it!

No that's not it AWD. It's that ford owners don't really care, if you race and you win..Horray..you beat a 35,000 dollar college kids car. No one cares...

Imports on the other hand...Beating a stock GT seems to be an event that has to go down in the annals of Import fanboydom because of the prevalent lack of overall self esteem. They need things like this just to keep on driving their cars.

Stupid Evo 9 MR or Evo 8 will do 0-60 in under 5 seconds what a rookie you're dude get your facts straight.

Mustang GT
Performance Acceleration 0-60 mph s: 5.2 (source: Car&Driver) Top Speed mph (km/h): 149 (240) (source: Car&Driver) Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km): 17/25 (n.a.)
ENOUGH SAID.Hey Stupid... With you in an Evo and me in a Mustang I'd STILL take your ass to 60 AND in the 1/4 mile every time. You see, published acceleration times are accomplished with professional drivers in optimum conditions and sometimes altered for the height above sea level that the tests are done at. That means that the average, even above average, driver will never get those same times.

If you keep calling members on our forum stupid I will erase you from our boards. ENOUGH SAID...

maybe those POS ford owners can't afford a proper video recorder to capture their own kills?Maybe those POS import owners are just afraid to post theirs on youtube and those 'redneck merican stang wranglers' don't because they just don't care what your ignorant ass says...



Both of you need to watch the way you post and what you say to people here. There's people here a hell of a lot more experienced than you and you might do well to listen a bit instead of arguing and name calling...

moderates...hi I know that it's a little odd but some one of the staff could move this thread for comparisons , because well this is not just about an asiatic car this is a comparison betwin a lancer and a stang.

I'd say it's a comparison between people that use facts and people that live in a world where yelling your opinion louder and more often makes you correct. This whole "comparison" is flawed anyway. It started off by saying, "Which one is better?"

ARE YOU KIDDING! Better at what? The Mustang is MUCH better at having more cylinders then the Evo, while the Evo is much better at being considered the holy grail of cars by idiot fan boys that don't really know much about cars. The Evo is better at having 4 wheels turn themselves, while the Mustang is better at being considered a white trash 'MERUHKUN car.

Who really cares. It all comes down to opinion. There is no subjective reasoning you can really apply to opinion or way to measure how much you prefer one over another.

If someone wants to say, which one is faster around a track, or which one goes quicker in a line, or which one will last a hell of a lot longer without constant work, then we have a debate. Until then, we got nothing.

holy shiet, ill stop at attempting sarcasm from now on. you people can't seem to take a joke. do you honestly think that i feel that doing a stupid 5 second Google search and post some lame-ass 1/4 mile videos to support my boyrace Evo with a huge wing that everyone hates on is better?

monkeyffker, oh god of sportscarforums.com, i certainly do watch the way i post. every idea that is typed is thought out, i'm not just blurting out nonsense here. i've been a member for a year plus here, you want to know why i only have 140 posts? because i don't say anything when it's not going to give anyone some good info or ideas, when its not going to stimulate some brain flow from the readers; yes, i try to attempt that (which usually ends in failure)

although logging on here could be entertaining some times, usually it leads to tremendous amounts of eyerolling and laughing out loud at the idiotic, weightless things people throw out.

i was making a stupid joke and yes i understand it's the internet and very hard to pick up sarcasm.

this board is a waste of my time. i engage in solid arguments, post with examples, personal experience, FROM THE HEART, i try to show people a different opinion while still understanding that i could learn something from the simplest of ideas that are thrown out.

and get ridiculed and called ignorant? monkey please! you come on this thread and try to put your proverbial foot down for everyone to "OOO" and "AAH" over? you've never responded to anything I've wrote, hell as far as i know you've probably never even read anything i've written until now, and yet you call me unexperienced?

and not to argue? thats what this board is build around! someone brings up a topic and a discussion ensues.

Evo_power and driftster it's been fun sharing (arguing) ideas and learning from you. i looked forward to waiting for your replies, whether being serious or in jest, it was entertaining, i never have hard feelings about anything said on this board.

the "which one is better" topic comes up 1000 times a week here. this thread has just evolved into something more. usually a thread title that i would just ignore, i happen to own an Evo and am damn proud of it. what i typed originally really had nothing to do with the topic, did it? the title is idiotic! the which is better topic is never going to go away, and never will there be a clear winner. my answer is, "hey, if you got behind the wheels of both cars you would figure out which one you enjoy more". thats obviously not possible with some of the whips thrown around here so where do people turn to? webzines, streetfire, and gran turismo.

monkey, where do you think Mr EVO is now? do you think gives a flying rat about anything said here? oh and, the "POS" thing was started by someone else, i took it as a joke:eek: i was just attempting to throw some humor back at him.

excuse me for being honest and open-minded.

I didn't call you inexperienced. I said there were more experienced people here. Yeah, I'm more experienced than you. I can back that up. I was asked to be a moderator here and yes, I put my foot down because of that. If you don't like it go away.

Send me links to this stuff I've never responded to and I'll gladly do that. I surf through every thread on here... sometimes I miss stuff. If you don't like, oh god if bad grammer, too bad.

If your going to compare the FQ400, it probably has to be the GT500.
You cant compare a modified EVo to an entry level mustang...
Just so you know, the evo's a I4 and the Mustang's a V8. How can it be not fair?

now a point (i know that you hate points(you know of who I'm talking about)but here comes one more)
this comparo is bad , no specific model , no specific year , no specific track , no specific climatic conditions and a bunch of other specifics stuffs that are missing here , to make it a decent comparo.
oh and no pics to

now a point (i know that you hate points(you know of who I'm talking about)but here comes one more)
this comparo is bad , no specific model , no specific year , no specific track , no specific climatic conditions and a bunch of other specifics stuffs that are missing here , to make it a decent comparo.
oh and no pics to

yeah uh... welcome to the discussion. maybe re-read this thread, post for post?

now a point (i know that you hate points(you know of who I'm talking about)but here comes one more)
this comparo is bad , no specific model , no specific year , no specific track , no specific climatic conditions and a bunch of other specifics stuffs that are missing here , to make it a decent comparo.
oh and no pics to

yup and untill we get that info this threads going to go on forever

so let's try Cthulhu , cthulhu tulu tulu banana tulu tulu mima momaster tulu cthulhu.
ok so please the owerner of this thread put some decent specs , models , tracks and pics please so we can make this thread a real comparo not just...just...THIS!!

i just sent mr evo a pm to have a look at his thread so he should provide the info soon or else this thread is pointless

so let's wait for it...
BTW: do you want more of my crap lovecraft rimes?

i'm pretty sure the general consensus is that the title and thread is lame. there's nothing to wait for. the members have done a good job of realizing the ambiguity of the title and inturn have compared various models of Mustangs and Evos on their own.

Jesus H Christ on a rubber crutch.....

Stock to stock the Evo is the better performer. Then again, I still maintain that there is a far more diverse demographic that purchases the stang, therefore Fords consideration is not as "Hard Edged" as the Evo's demographic. When the hell if the last time you saw a 50+ something grandma driving an Evo IX?

I know I have seen a few in a Mustang GT.

Oh noeeesss, I admitted to old women driving Mustang GT's! What a world....
Oh wait, that just means that the GT is similar in power, factually has a meatier powerband, yet still maintains friendly driveability, AND does all this while still being the king of kings for "bang for buck" modification comparisons. It is all around a better car.

The seats are more comfortable, the Stangs interior (imho) is actually nicer, the drivetrain is more stout, the aftermarket is ungodly larger, and there was no necessity to put ridiculous wings on it from the factory to resemble an "Angel" from an episode of Evangelion. Plus, the Mustang can actually cruise around old lady style (As obviously evident), or be flogged every weekend by an aspiring college student without missing a beat! The styling works for every demographic. The powertrain works for every demographic. The comfort works for every demographic.

Gee I wonder why they're so popular and effective.... :-k

Now understand, I give two monkey rat turds if you like the car. If you drive one, or know somebody who does, GOOD FOR YOU! I'm not gonna sit and bash the Evo, HOWEVER, on American soil, in American events, the Evo has done diddly poopsicles, and continues to do diddly poopsicles. In fact Mitsubishis motto for the car stateside should be "Doo-doo diddly poopsicles". :D;)

slow5.0 you bring up some great points, however:

and there was no necessity to put ridiculous wings on it from the factory to resemble an "Angel" from an episode of Evangelion.

ridiculous? the car has a high profile, it needs a high, functional wing to provide correct amount of downforce. the carbon wing is flat on top and curved across the bottom, like an inverted airplane wing, like a true functional part.

the Evo aftermarket might not be as huge as the US Stang aftermaket, but i wouldn't classify the comparrison as "ungodly". the Evo is one of THE sport compact car to have these, the aftermarket is pretty impressive.

lets remember, motorsports are constantly changing." although still very young in comparison (the fastest 1/4 mile Evos are running mid-low 8's, actually a friend of mine, Brandon Millman has the 3rd quickest in the country with a 9.111 it's great to see him and Turbotrix Racing at the forefront of performance for this new car) i think the Evo is doing it's fair share in other contemporary tuner events as well, Time Attacks events come to mind. Lets see a time attack Mustang!


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Doo-doo diddly poopsicles

Jesus H Christ on a rubber crutch.....

Stock to stock the Evo is the better performer. Then again, I still maintain that there is a far more diverse demographic that purchases the stang, therefore Fords consideration is not as "Hard Edged" as the Evo's demographic. When the hell if the last time you saw a 50+ something grandma driving an Evo IX?

I know I have seen a few in a Mustang GT.

Oh noeeesss, I admitted to old women driving Mustang GT's! What a world....
Oh wait, that just means that the GT is similar in power, factually has a meatier powerband, yet still maintains friendly driveability, AND does all this while still being the king of kings for "bang for buck" modification comparisons. It is all around a better car.

The seats are more comfortable, the Stangs interior (imho) is actually nicer, the drivetrain is more stout, the aftermarket is ungodly larger, and there was no necessity to put ridiculous wings on it from the factory to resemble an "Angel" from an episode of Evangelion. Plus, the Mustang can actually cruise around old lady style (As obviously evident), or be flogged every weekend by an aspiring college student without missing a beat! The styling works for every demographic. The powertrain works for every demographic. The comfort works for every demographic.

Gee I wonder why they're so popular and effective.... :-k

Now understand, I give two monkey rat turds if you like the car. If you drive one, or know somebody who does, GOOD FOR YOU! I'm not gonna sit and bash the Evo, HOWEVER, on American soil, in American events, the Evo has done diddly poopsicles, and continues to do diddly poopsicles. In fact Mitsubishis motto for the car stateside should be "Doo-doo diddly poopsicles". :D;)
as AWD said the wing is there for one reason to be functional but yeah you have a point in looks the stang beat the lancer since the look of the car.

slow5.0 you bring up some great points, however:



ridiculous? the car has a high profile, it needs a high, functional wing to provide correct amount of downforce. the carbon wing is flat on top and curved across the bottom, like an inverted airplane wing, like a true functional part.

Yet still completely and utterly unnecessary for a road going vehicle. Just my opinion though. If you like the wing , whatever. Personally I would like the Evo a bit more if it was more "Subdued". To each their own.

the Evo aftermarket might not be as huge as the US Stang aftermaket, but i wouldn't classify the comparrison as "ungodly". the Evo is one of THE sport compact car to have these, the aftermarket is pretty impressive.

When you have 6+ different manufacturers of heads with varying models of heads per manufacturer, umpteen different cams, a gazillion different piston models from a gazillion-million different vendors, eleventy billion rod choices, and 72.6 trillion crank choices,..well...you get the point..

lets remember, motorsports are constantly changing." although still very young in comparison (the fastest 1/4 mile Evos are running mid-low 8's, actually a friend of mine, Brandon Millman has the 3rd quickest in the country with a 9.111 it's great to see him and Turbotrix Racing at the forefront of performance for this new car) i think the Evo is doing it's fair share in other contemporary tuner events as well, Time Attacks events come to mind. Lets see a time attack Mustang!


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What trim is the 8 second Evo running in? Is it tube-chassis/high boost, aka "Not road going" car, or is it a streetable, in full race trim, machine?

and yes...

Doo-doo diddly poopsicles

i'm pretty sure the two faster Evos are the AMS, and Buschur Racing Evos. my friends is about a half second behind them. he runs a dark grey '06 MR, stock chassis with a spec cage, hes running a garret gt42r putting out 907 to the wheels on race fuel. heres a link to a 9.2 he ran recently and a few pics:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/Millman3/IMG_0873.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/Millman3/20070825_beandon002.jpg

http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/Millman3/?action=view&current=etown2.flv crappy vid, all i could find.

as far as being streetable i think i know where you're going here. i have honestly seen a few street driven 8 or 9 second mustangs. incredible machines. (like this one: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/Millman3/IMG_0470.jpg)

i don't believe those 3 fastest evo's are anywhere near streetable. my friends certainly isn't anymore. full carbon body panels, lexan windows, chute in the rear etc etc. another friend daily drives his evo 8, recently put down 588 to the wheels. he runs a garret gt35r. at the track he ran a 2.0 60ft, babied the lauch and ran an 11.9 easily. he only attempted one semi-hard launch, a 1.8 60ft and ran an 11.5. if he gets the drivetrain to pull a 1.5 60ft, i don't see mid-to-high 10's being out of the question.

sorry i don't know the trap speeds.

Doo-doo diddly poopsicles

i'm pretty sure the two faster Evos are the AMS, and Buschur Racing Evos. my friends is about a half second behind them. he runs a dark grey '06 MR, stock chassis with a spec cage, hes running a garret gt42r putting out 907 to the wheels on race fuel. heres a link to a 9.2 he ran recently and a few pics:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/Millman3/IMG_0873.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/Millman3/20070825_beandon002.jpg

http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/Millman3/?action=view&current=etown2.flv crappy vid, all i could find.

as far as being streetable i think i know where you're going here. i have honestly seen a few street driven 8 or 9 second mustangs. incredible machines.

i don't believe those 3 fastest evo's are anywhere near streetable. my friends certainly isn't anymore. full carbon body panels, lexan windows, chute in the rear etc etc. another friend daily drives his evo 8, recently put down 588 to the wheels. he runs a garret gt35r. at the track he ran a 2.0 60ft, babied the lauch and ran an 11.9 easily. he only attempted one semi-hard launch, a 1.8 60ft and ran an 11.5. if he get the drivetrain to pull a 1.5 60ft, i don't seemid-to-high 10's being out of the question.

sorry i don't know the trap speeds.

Doo-doo diddly poopsicles

Very nice car. I do believe you see now the direction I am going with my statements. Its simple by looking at vehicle specs, and 1/4 times to figure out what the edge is for a given displacements time in street trim.

Nice car, and I'm sure it makes him smile ear to ear. All that matters right? ;)

i hope you checked out that edit i just made! hah, that fox body is ridiculous!

I do believe Mr AWD is gone.



I've seen a few Evo's that run 8's so I don't see his friend's being the third quickest running 9.11 with a 1... Oh well.

I DO know quite a few people however who own and drive (very often) streetable sub 10 second naturally aspirated cars. What do you think they are? Hmmmm... Mostly Camaros and Mustangs. A couple Novas and even one 442 that'll pull 10 flats on 92 octane pump gas.

Even if you could build a 9 second Evo that was street legal how long do you think the motor would last? As a daily driver? Not long.

I'm not putting down Evos... I happen to like them... I'm just stating the obvious, as AWD loved to say...

Seriously AWD isn't all that cracked up like its supposed to be. It helps you get off the line in a quick fashion. But, I'll take a Mustang anyday. I would rather get a $30,000 Mustang GT instead of a $34-35,000 dollar Evo. I would still have money leftover for some simple modifications.

Why does everyone think AWD launchs harder than RWD? Do you see AWD Top Fuel cars? Or even Super Gas cars? No...

AWD's launch hardest when you're talking about times 12 seconds and higher.. Anything higher and honestly i'd say even FWD cars launch harder... AWD's at 11's or lower are really very sluggish and depend heavily on proper clutch slip or else you're going to break your car.

Good point. I still think AWD in a drag car is about as useless as tits on a boar hog...

Well by cyber evo do you mean the "Cyber evo" or is this some nick name?

Cause the cyber was beaten by a skyline, which was beaten by the HKS carbon evo
Yeah. Tsukuba's time machine.. lol.
Has anybody else noticed that EVERY TIME an asian import is compared to American muscle, the asian fanboys want to pull up "Tuned" asian cars, and compare then to stock American cars. Then cost of mods relaibility, and longevity are never considered for the asian cars.

Manipulation of the facts is a sure sign that you know you are backing a loser, even if you don't want to admit it!
Yep. You are right. But don't forget that evos have the best tuning capabilities. I know, i know. It isn't a serious reason to compare them to the American cars. But i'm an evo fanboy because my cousin owns one.
I do believe Mr AWD is gone.



I've seen a few Evo's that run 8's so I don't see his friend's being the third quickest running 9.11 with a 1... Oh well.

I DO know quite a few people however who own and drive (very often) streetable sub 10 second naturally aspirated cars. What do you think they are? Hmmmm... Mostly Camaros and Mustangs. A couple Novas and even one 442 that'll pull 10 flats on 92 octane pump gas.

Even if you could build a 9 second Evo that was street legal how long do you think the motor would last? As a daily driver? Not long.

I'm not putting down Evos... I happen to like them... I'm just stating the obvious, as AWD loved to say...
As a daily drive the evo would break down within a weekend i suppose. Don't take these cars as daily drivers. They aren't. They are so extremely tuned.

Anyways i in this comparo i support evos. Mustangs aren't so appealing to me.

Also here we have a nice Evo with 992 ps. Monkey, i have told you something about this car. In the dyno he kept the throttle for 5 mins at 6000rpm i think. And the motor was okay. Just an example guys.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/Millman3/IMG_0873.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/Millman3/20070825_beandon002.jpg


I was looking these pics. The owner / tuner has placed the turbo at the left headlight. It's a great idea. The air goes directly into the turbo. Looks good in my opinion.

And look at this exhaust manifold. It's a piece of art.

Dude you'll are a bunch of jokes. For one the retail value on my 2003 Evo 8 will stride over your 2003 Mustang GT. Hmmm.. seems like i feel smart now. Oh yeah by the way while you're at it take your Gt mustang to the track I want to see spin in circles while me and my girlfriend are waving bye to you in my evo 8 LOL and when it snows I'd like to see you do snownuts LOL while l leave you snow dust. Come on lets be serious now lets face it for what the money can buy the Evo is a way more SAFER car to use in daily driving plus it's a family car I don't ever see the 03 Mustang driver with their family LOL. ENOUGH SAID face reality point proven.

Lol @ you for spending 30grand base price, plus taxes, plus mark-up on a car you're comparing to that costs 30% less and out sells it to hell and high-heaven...

You want safety, usability, performance, and all-weather stability?

Buy a used Honda Civic for 5 grand, and a two-year old Terminator for the same price you paid for your car.

The onnnly downside is paying insurance on two cars, however, you have to remember one's a Honda Civic, so that's what, $20 a year? Har har har...Evo's are nice, but whether the car is nice or not doesn't mean the owner isn't a dick. ;)

I say you're a dick because if you'd paid attention to who runs certain cars in SCCA races you'd know which of the two is a preferable car for track work...In your own words, "Face reality".

Sheesh.

Dude you'll are a bunch of jokes.Just like your english?

For one the retail value on my 2003 Evo 8 will stride over your 2003 Mustang GT. Hmmm..Yes, awesome point! You pay more for an Evo! It must be better!

seems like i feel smart now.Is this something new?

Oh yeah by the way while you're at it take your Gt mustang to the track I want to see spin in circles while me and my girlfriend are waving bye to you in my evo 8 LOLOh really? Is that because it has AWD, and since four is a bigger number then two, it must be better? Answer me this then, if AWD is so good for track racing, then why don't LeMans, NASCAR, F1, or any other serous track racing series use four wheel drive cars? Or short of that maybe you can explain why AWD cars can somehow turn and brake better then RWD cars? Or maybe you live in California and would actually like to meet a certain somebody's Mustang on the track....

and when it snows I'd like to see you do snownuts LOL while l leave you snow dust. Yes, because RWD cars definitely can not do donuts of any kind, while AWD nose heavy understeering cars excel at breaking traction on their rear wheels.

Come on lets be serious now lets face it for what the money can buy the Evo is a way more SAFER car to use in daily driving plus it's a family car I don't ever see the 03 Mustang driver with their family LOL. ENOUGH SAID face reality point proven.Yes, that's because rough ride, poor driveability, and extremely high price get made up for by the fact that it has four doors, it must be a family car! Oh and nobody could ever consider owning two cars, especially if they liked sports cars...

Stupid Evo 9 MR or Evo 8 will do 0-60 in under 5 seconds what a rookie you're dude get your facts straight.

Mustang GT
Performance Acceleration 0-60 mph s: 5.2 (source: Car&Driver) Top Speed mph (km/h): 149 (240) (source: Car&Driver) Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km): 17/25 (n.a.)
ENOUGH SAID.

Ok, prove it. Show me where a Evo VIII will run to 60 in under 5.. and find the new Mustang's time also.

It looks like the site I got my 5.1 from was actually quick.. http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0402scc_2004_mitsubishi_lancer_evolution _vll/index.html

I never understood Evo fanboys. Why do they think they're the sh*t?

Also here we have a nice Evo with 992 ps. Monkey, i have told you something about this car. In the dyno he kept the throttle for 5 mins at 6000rpm i think. And the motor was okay. Just an example guys.And I still don't believe that. 6000 rpm for a solid 5 minutes with no resistance on the engine? Nope... Someone lied to you but we don't need to get into that again.

Dude you'll are a bunch of jokes. For one the retail value on my 2003 Evo 8 will stride over your 2003 Mustang GT. Hmmm.. seems like i feel smart now. Oh yeah by the way while you're at it take your Gt mustang to the track I want to see spin in circles while me and my girlfriend are waving bye to you in my evo 8 LOL and when it snows I'd like to see you do snownuts LOL while l leave you snow dust. Come on lets be serious now lets face it for what the money can buy the Evo is a way more SAFER car to use in daily driving plus it's a family car I don't ever see the 03 Mustang driver with their family LOL. ENOUGH SAID face reality point proven.You just called me a joke? Wow... see how much of a joke your post count is...

Hangstaz..

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n38/bigmeanbulldog55/Evo.jpg

And I still don't believe that. 6000 rpm for a solid 5 minutes with no resistance on the engine? Nope... Someone lied to you but we don't need to get into that again.

You just called me a joke? Wow... see how much of a joke your post count is...
I have seen it in a video. And videos don't lie. I was seeing the wheels moving.. I know it's incredible but you should believe me. Okay, don't get in that one.

And why did i make a double post? I'm sure that i didn't make double post. Who is deleting posts? lol.

OK hangstaz, go back and look at my post about how long the evo engine's piston rings hold tension......explain what YOU think this does to an engine, and then try to argue with PHYSICS!

You are comparing 93 evos to 93 mustangs on paper, but there is no accounting for wear and tear on the vehicles. I guarantee that the evo would need more work to get it back to top hp numbers after this time.

Now please do not turn my post into an excuse to flame.....I expect a serious, well thought out answer here

Ok, prove it. Show me where a Evo VIII will run to 60 in under 5.. and find the new Mustang's time also.

It looks like the site I got my 5.1 from was actually quick.. http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0402scc_2004_mitsubishi_lancer_evolution _vll/index.html

I never understood Evo fanboys. Why do they think they're the sh*t?

2 words:

Rally Racing

But they're not as good as the classic ones. The EVO's after the VI (6) have too much weight on them. The 1st to 6th were the best.....

2 words:

Rally Racing

But they're not as good as the classic ones. The EVO's after the VI (6) have too much weight on them. The 1st to 6th were the best.....

Rally racing, yes, evvveryone and their dog knows that. But, that's the *only* series, EXCEPT for the Audi's in SCCA.

Rally racing, yes, evvveryone and their dog knows that. But, that's the *only* series, EXCEPT for the Audi's in SCCA.I think he was referring to why Evo fanboys think the car is so cool.

The seats are more comfortable, the Stangs interior (imho) is actually nicer, the drivetrain is more stout, the aftermarket is ungodly larger, and there was no necessity to put ridiculous wings on it from the factory to resemble an "Angel" from an episode of Evangelion. Plus, the Mustang can actually cruise around old lady style (As obviously evident), or be flogged every weekend by an aspiring college student without missing a beat! The styling works for every demographic. The powertrain works for every demographic. The comfort works for every demographic.


HAHAHA, big American army watches Anime! HAHAHAHA....wait a sec...in order to even know that I would have had to watch it too....crap....

Well at least I can say that I havn't seen the whole damn series...! HA.....right?.....:(

A whole damn series of Mustangs? You haven't seen a whole damn series of Mustangs!? Are you sure you haven't been watching too much Evangelion:p? There's about 8 models of Stangs right? There's the California model, the pony model, I think another one called the super model (not sure), a GT500, GT350H, and a model named after a guy (Pirelli Jones or something), and a Shelby GT-H...

Nah...I wouldn't say that's a whole damn series:p

The Evo now...if you only count IX...

Standard IX, IX MR, IX FQ-300, IX FQ-320, IX FQ-340, IX FQ-360...did I miss any?

The GT-H is a Hertz Rent - a car Chop top Shelby that's slower than the coupe...So...yeah..

Now Kaoss, you have to remember... The Shelby isn't nearly as limitedly distributed as the FQ series of the IX
On top of that, longevity of the Shelby is about 40x that of the Evo.....We could go into the completely and irrefutable impracticality of the 340-360+.

But We won't because that will lead into massive amounts of fan-nageling.

HAHAHA, big American army watches Anime! HAHAHAHA....wait a sec...in order to even know that I would have had to watch it too....crap....

Well at least I can say that I havn't seen the whole damn series...! HA.....right?.....:(


DID i MISS SOMETHING HERE??? I am not often completely baffled when talking about cars, but I am now

Well apparently we all did..Because I have NO idea WTF he's talking about

I think he was referring to why Evo fanboys think the car is so cool.I don't know why... the car isn't that good looking. I like it for it's abililties in the dirt but for a street daily driver... nah

Pirelli Jones or somethingIt's Parnelli Jones... lol

Well apparently we all did..Because I have NO idea WTF he's talking aboutSomething about an Anime tv show or some crap...