im having a delema because i was thinking about buying a hatchback(not really seeing as how i have no money and no need for a new car at the moment but i thought about it) and these where the two that i limited it down to.

Honda Civic Si
Type: Inline-4
Displacement: 1998cc
Power bhp: 160
Torque: 132
Redline: 6800
Gas Mileage: 26/31
Weight: 2782
Acceleration 0-62mph: 8.5 seconds
Base Price: $19,220
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/04/civicsi04_03.jpg

VolksWagen Golf Gti 1.8t
Type: Inline-4, turbocharged
Displacement: 1800cc
Power bhp: 180
Torque: 173
Redline: 6500
Gas mileage: 24/31
Weight: 2934
Acceleration 0-62mph: 7.5 seconds
Base Price: $19,250
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/golf02r32_01_800.jpg
yes its an r32 picture but the gti picture i found wouldnt work. anyways they look the same so dont cry about it.

i personally would have the gti by far but i havent driven either so i dont know.

Golft GTi. Every comparable attribute is better IMO.

GTi also, it's just a classier, easier more refined car. More of the "adult" sport compact. Just a quick question, my mind is a little slow tonight, the GTi is FWD, because I know of lots of AWD VW's.

Golft GTi. Every comparable attribute is better IMO.

exactly what i thought.

and ghalos they are both FWD i just checked them but the gti i would assume has good handling because my parents passat has really good handling and the gti is another vw.

I'm going with the 1.8t because I love that engine and it has worked well for VW over the years. Now they even have it making 100hp/per liter! Great engine, to bad its being replaced soon, right?

ya... with a 2 liter 200 hp engine. still 100 hp per liter only better.

GTi. I hate the shift nobe for the SI

Not a fan of that dash mounted one eh?
Me neither, it's neat, but not for me.

The shift knob is supposed to make the shift action faster, but IMO it just looks like the gear knob of some japanese people mover.

The only civic that i like is the previous 1.6 VTI and the type R
so i vote for Golf...

It would be the GTI for me also.

Personaly I own the Civic 1.6 V-Tec and I wish to buy Type-R and I don't like the Si but still I vote for it just because it's Honda.

the shifeter on the Civic Si is a performance designed component. watch some rallye coverage and telll me where the shifter is when they switch to the cockpick camera. the shifter is right there and you ahve much better control.

Onwards! This is a really rough choice for myself. Both these cars are highly desirable and somewhat attainable. I'm gonna modify both of them slightly to the level at which i would tune them.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/04/civicsihfp04_02_800.jpg
The downfall of the Civic would come from it's lack of the 200-hp engine and 6-speed transmission both found in its wicked twin, the Type-R. The painfully small wheels are slight blow as well. So, to remedy those ailments, the first step would be to JDM the hell outta that sucker. K20A engine, DC5R transmission, and a storm of Mugen pieces. Slap on some alrger wheels and upgrade the brakes with RSX stock ones and you'd have an Type-R beating Si. This is under $15,000 worth of upgrades and gets you 0-60 in under 6 seconds and through the quarter mile in the low 14's.

http://vortex3.rely.net/gallery/generated//Events/Enthusiast/Waterfest/2004/Drag%20Racing/018__scaled_600.jpg
On the VW side of things, it's a little better in stock configuration. What it calls for is the 6-speed tranny(whcih is normally only on VR6 and the anniversery GTi models), and a wicked sweet Super K04 turbo upgrade from Neuspeed. A brake kit from Abt would serve it well and some minor supension upgrades are nessicary. So for under 5 grand you get a really fast GTi that still has improved control elements.

Ther'es no doubt the Civic has much better handling and the engine would be much more relaible, but it's gonna cost you more to get it moving anywhere nearly as fast as the GTi. If your wallets in a crunch, go for the slightly fatter, more easily speed injected VW, but the Honda has better pure potential. (didn't even mention the Jackson Racing supercharger kit that would throw the Si's numbers over 330 hp at the crank{Super K04 kit gets the GTi about 265 hp at the crank})
if money's no question, Si.
if I'm on a budget, GTi.

GTi for me b/c its faster, I hate the shift knob also on the Si, and the Si is considered in my area to be a rice car everyone I see w/ one thinks its the fastest thing on earth by reving their engine at stop lights and just doing stupid stuff like that

The GTI.. the Si isnt' that great, but a type-R would be nice! :D

Doesn't Neuspeed make some wicked suspension mods for the GTi?

Yes, yes they do...Neuspeed make's alot of reaaaallly nice suspension mods for lot's of cars though.

The GTI.. the Si isnt' that great, but a type-R would be nice! :D
Same here exactly...
Another alternative is to wait for the new GTi (V). Now that will be a good car.

Yes, yes they do...Neuspeed make's alot of reaaaallly nice suspension mods for lot's of cars though.

Except the Civic.