Dodge Turbo Interceptor (Old School) - Page 5

SleePer_21 · May 17, 2005, 8:21 AM

This car is not so bad for bring old school

intlcutlass · May 31, 2005, 2:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveFX

I am prompted to post again on this thread. I will not quibble about details of powertrain, hp ratings, or number of cars used in the movie.

Both of the literate and alledgedly well-connected posters have mentioned Huffaker, tube frame, Fiero, and/or IMSA.

Huffaker did not build a tube frame car for IMSA racing. They bought rolling chassis/bodies from Spice Engineering of England and raced them in IMSA Camel Lights as Pontiac Fieros. Any of the numerous posters here who use the term "design" in place of "styling" should be able to recognize their similarity to the "Wraith" car.

The M4S was built as a pace/show car, not as a technology demonstrator.

Carmakers lie with a regularity only equalled by that of racers, car magazines, and politicians.

Unless someone can show me a copy of a contract for Huffaker to deliver 1(one) chassis of unique design to Chrysler, I will continue to assert that the M4S is an adaptation/modification of a previously existing race car.

A "1 off, so to speak" is something that starts with a clean sheet of paper.

This is an email sent to me from the guy who designed the car, you are correct on 98% of everything you hve stated.....

"Mike Koran of Special Vehicles Inc. (SVI) emailed me regarding your request for information about the Dodge M4-S

I was asked to design a Dodge PPG pace car in l982 for completion and use in the PPG Indy Car Series for l983.* Chrysler could not start eh chassis from scratch, so I suggested using a race car chassis that Joe Huffeker, Engineering was making for the Pontiac Fiero Race Car.* A chassis was then purchased by PPG and sent to SVI for further modification.
In the meantime, I was working at Special Projects Inc. on the body form which was later cast and sent to SVI for installation on the chassis.

This car originally had 21 coats of lacquer and the windshield is from a Ferrari Boxer tipped to 73 degrees (six degrees more than in the Ferrari).

I am not retired from Chrysler and have some pictures that I thought you might appreciate if you send me your mailing address.* If you would like any additional information, you have my email address and my phone number is xxx-xxx-xxxx.

pkowal · Jun 04, 2005, 7:08 AM

Do you know the weight?

Quote:

Originally Posted by intlcutlass

Hello boys.....

I will awnser the questions I know to those interested in thes car.

It's Formal name is "M4S"
It's a joint effort between Dodge and PPG.
Yes the engine made 440 HP.
Yes it can run a 1/4 in the 12's
It was powered by a DOHC Cosworth 2.2 liter Twin turbo (T25 garrett turbos).
It was built from a Fiero IMSA frame (tubular)
The head of the project was the NICEST fella by the name of BOB ACKERMAN.
The car was tested on a track in Marion Ohio.
NO it didn't hit 202 mph.... Actually it topped out at 194.8 mph.
It's front windsheild is from a Ferrari Boxer that has been tilted back to 73 degrees.

To the civic project guy.... EVERYTHING above is true. I can prove it.

TheCivicProject · Jun 05, 2005, 12:35 PM

I know its about the weight of a dodge daytona. 2,600 or 3,600. I cant remember which.

SteveFX · Jun 05, 2005, 11:29 PM

I apologize for my dino-crasho-puter. I thought I posted weeks ago in response to slip:

That: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-08-25-050.jpg is an IMSA GTU (<3.0L), a caged and reinforced production-based Pontiac Fiero.

This: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...06-07-0001.jpg

and this: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...06-07-0009.jpg

are Gordon Spice Engineering(UK) built IMSA Camel GTP Lights cars powered by 3.0L Pontiac "Super Duty" I4 motors.

-----

Cease-fire. Wave olive branch. Hosting expired on the original Chrysler/PPG M4S pics. Can I see some pace car pics?

12 inch pianist · Jun 06, 2005, 4:01 AM

Hehehe, man thats a good site

slipondajimmy · Jun 06, 2005, 6:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveFX

I apologize for my dino-crasho-puter. I thought I posted weeks ago in response to slip:

That: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-08-25-050.jpg is an IMSA GTU (<3.0L), a caged and reinforced production-based Pontiac Fiero.

This: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...06-07-0001.jpg

and this: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...06-07-0009.jpg

are Gordon Spice Engineering(UK) built IMSA Camel GTP Lights cars powered by 3.0L Pontiac "Super Duty" I4 motors.

-----

Cease-fire. Wave olive branch. Hosting expired on the original Chrysler/PPG M4S pics. Can I see some pace car pics?

I also have the weight from some info I got from the Chrysler Museum where is is located and I will dig it up after work.

heavydoom · Jun 06, 2005, 8:56 AM

WOW, that is a nice car, both looks and performance, very unique styling, good chassis shape, gives ideas for Photoshopping

slipondajimmy · Jun 06, 2005, 5:24 PM

And damn I cant find that weight anywhere. I thought it was in the 2500lbs range but I will keep looking for it.

pkowal · Jun 07, 2005, 3:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slipondajimmy

And damn I cant find that weight anywhere. I thought it was in the 2500lbs range but I will keep looking for it.

Hmm so I thought that it is lighter.
Do you know which materials their used to build its body?

slipondajimmy · Jun 07, 2005, 6:21 AM

yeah fiberglass

slipondajimmy · Jun 08, 2005, 12:36 PM

OK and since I dont want this thread to die...lol I have just been in contact with Joe Huffaker of Huffaker engineering and he tells me that they Built 16 tube-frame Pontiac Fiero's all for IMSA
competition. They did purchase 1 prototype spice chassis when they
decided to continue with the Super-Duty Pontiac 4 cylinder developoment
program, in a different class: GT Lights. And dominated in that class.

but on a side note he is unsure whos chassis design it is but says it could be a spice chassis, I had to send him pics of the M4s because he had never seen it ..lol. This goes againest even the info that Chrysler sent me that said it was a huffaker chassis.

More to come

intlcutlass · Jun 08, 2005, 3:48 PM

That is weird.....MMMMnnnnn

slipondajimmy · Jun 08, 2005, 5:29 PM

Yeah ....he tells me it may be a huffaker chassis but not to his knowledge

*** UPDATE***

I have had email convos all day with Joe Huffaker...WOW. Great day for me. And he really never seen the car. But ...I did send him several photos of the rear framework and he says it is a striking resemblance to their Pontiac Fiero tubes in one of the rear shots. The rest is too hard
to identify. He asked me when the car will be on display again (October) and he is gonna take a closer look.

Also Specialized Vehicles did ring a bell to him. He is going to look into it more. I guess I got him wondering if it is his Chassis now ...lol

SteveFX · Jun 10, 2005, 2:58 AM

U R too kewl, slip. I was seriously planning to contact Huffaker Engineering. Gordon Spice Enginering has no current web presence.

Your pics #3 and #6 show square tubing of bare/different finish welded to pre-existing black finished round tube structure. This is a modification/adaptation. Which part looked familiar to Huffaker?

Yes, intl, this gets weird.

Jun 05, 2005, 12:35 PM	#64
TheCivicProject Experienced Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 642	I know its about the weight of a dodge daytona. 2,600 or 3,600. I cant remember which. __________________ Speeding: the only way to travel.

Jun 06, 2005, 4:01 AM	#66
12 inch pianist Forum Napoleon Complex Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: On the good ship SS 300 Foot Pianist Posts: 3,350	Hehehe, man thats a good site __________________ I won't correct you if you're not wrong

Jun 06, 2005, 8:56 AM	#68
heavydoom Poster Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 258	WOW, that is a nice car, both looks and performance, very unique styling, good chassis shape, gives ideas for Photoshopping __________________ Life begins at 200kph

Jun 08, 2005, 12:36 PM	#72
slipondajimmy Enthusiast Join Date: May 2005 Location: Orlando Florida Posts: 1,446	OK and since I dont want this thread to die...lol I have just been in contact with Joe Huffaker of Huffaker engineering and he tells me that they Built 16 tube-frame Pontiac Fiero's all for IMSA competition. They did purchase 1 prototype spice chassis when they decided to continue with the Super-Duty Pontiac 4 cylinder developoment program, in a different class: GT Lights. And dominated in that class. but on a side note he is unsure whos chassis design it is but says it could be a spice chassis, I had to send him pics of the M4s because he had never seen it ..lol. This goes againest even the info that Chrysler sent me that said it was a huffaker chassis. More to come Last edited by slipondajimmy : Jun 08, 2005 at 2:05 PM.

Jun 08, 2005, 3:48 PM	#73
intlcutlass Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 338	That is weird.....MMMMnnnnn __________________ [img]http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/intlcutlass/3.jpg[/img]

May 17, 2005, 8:21 AM	#61
SleePer_21 Junior Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 66	This car is not so bad for bring old school

Jun 05, 2005, 11:29 PM	#65
SteveFX Bent Rim Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,458	I apologize for my dino-crasho-puter. I thought I posted weeks ago in response to slip: That: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-08-25-050.jpg is an IMSA GTU (<3.0L), a caged and reinforced production-based Pontiac Fiero. This: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...06-07-0001.jpg and this: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...06-07-0009.jpg are Gordon Spice Engineering(UK) built IMSA Camel GTP Lights cars powered by 3.0L Pontiac "Super Duty" I4 motors. ----- Cease-fire. Wave olive branch. Hosting expired on the original Chrysler/PPG M4S pics. Can I see some pace car pics?

Jun 06, 2005, 5:24 PM	#69
slipondajimmy Enthusiast Join Date: May 2005 Location: Orlando Florida Posts: 1,446	And damn I cant find that weight anywhere. I thought it was in the 2500lbs range but I will keep looking for it.

Jun 07, 2005, 6:21 AM	#71
slipondajimmy Enthusiast Join Date: May 2005 Location: Orlando Florida Posts: 1,446	yeah fiberglass

Jun 08, 2005, 5:29 PM	#74
slipondajimmy Enthusiast Join Date: May 2005 Location: Orlando Florida Posts: 1,446	Yeah ....he tells me it may be a huffaker chassis but not to his knowledge * UPDATE* I have had email convos all day with Joe Huffaker...WOW. Great day for me. And he really never seen the car. But ...I did send him several photos of the rear framework and he says it is a striking resemblance to their Pontiac Fiero tubes in one of the rear shots. The rest is too hard to identify. He asked me when the car will be on display again (October) and he is gonna take a closer look. Also Specialized Vehicles did ring a bell to him. He is going to look into it more. I guess I got him wondering if it is his Chassis now ...lol Last edited by slipondajimmy : Jun 08, 2005 at 9:58 PM.

Jun 10, 2005, 2:58 AM	#75
SteveFX Bent Rim Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,458	U R too kewl, slip. I was seriously planning to contact Huffaker Engineering. Gordon Spice Enginering has no current web presence. Your pics #3 and #6 show square tubing of bare/different finish welded to pre-existing black finished round tube structure. This is a modification/adaptation. Which part looked familiar to Huffaker? Yes, intl, this gets weird.

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