Is This True

Z71 · Dec 12, 2007, 10:21 PM

A guy in my class said that Lambo builds the egines for the Dodge Viper. I told him that he was full of it. But then I remembered that Lambo was once owned by Chrysler Corp. So did Lambo once build engines for the Viper

AWDfreak · Dec 12, 2007, 10:28 PM

BS

I believe it was either:

* based off of a Dodge truck engine block
* built by Dodge, then used the engine block design for trucks

Ask a hardcore MOPAR fan. jjo should be of some help, if he's on.....

wanna koenigsegg · Dec 12, 2007, 10:31 PM

I thought Viper Motors were built in a shed for years...

I doubt Lambo built it...

Super__Porsche · Dec 12, 2007, 10:39 PM

I think Lamborghini worked with dodge in making the engine for the first Viper. I remember doing a report on it and i found that on it.

AWDfreak · Dec 12, 2007, 10:46 PM

^so, it was a collaboration? I do know that Carroll Shelby also helped with the development of the Viper...

The Viper will always be a special car in my mind. My first dream car. And as you guys can tell, made by people other than Dodge employees.....

Heretic · Dec 12, 2007, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z71

A guy in my class said that Lambo builds the egines for the Dodge Viper. I told him that he was full of it. But then I remembered that Lambo was once owned by Chrysler Corp. So did Lambo once build engines for the Viper

The viper engine is basically an old dodge 360 engine with two more cylinders added...an old friend of mine was one of the engineers on the original project

F1racer · Dec 12, 2007, 10:58 PM

I dont think that vipers today have any influence from lambo.

Swnate · Dec 12, 2007, 11:06 PM

I read in some book that the original v10 in the first generation vipers were based originally on a truck engine for dodge but seeing its potential asked Lambo for some help. The book said it was designed "in-house" by lambo but i highly doubt that. they may however have had some influence in its overall design like flow of the ports and intake and stuff.

The new motors 8.3L or whatever are just bored and stroked versions of the old 8.0L as far as i know despite numerous upgrades including for '08 a variable cam, the first ever for a OHV (cam in block) design.

FR500 · Dec 12, 2007, 11:31 PM

I read Lambo tuned/redesigned the truck-esque V10 at the beggining, they got like 450hp from the truck engine but it was an unreliable design so went back to Chrysler's engineers

Z3Driver · Dec 13, 2007, 12:11 AM

Crysler once owned lambo?

any way.. no your classmate is an idiot.

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Originally Posted by AWDfreak

^so, it was a collaboration? I do know that Carroll Shelby also helped with the development of the Viper...

I do know that is true.

scg87 · Dec 13, 2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

The viper engine is basically an old dodge 360 engine with two more cylinders added...an old friend of mine was one of the engineers on the original project

Please tell me you are not serious.......

Attaus · Dec 13, 2007, 12:47 AM

Dodge was trying to figure out how to boost the output of the 10 cyl and they took it to Lambo. They didn't build the engine, just improved it.

Heretic · Dec 13, 2007, 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by scg87

Please tell me you are not serious.......

Not only am I 100% serious, but the rumors about lambo's involvement are GREATLY exaggerated. The man who made it work was a friend of Monkey's dad and a friend of mine. He was an engineer and a machinist named Vince Jamora, and I have his prints and notes on the original viper engine.
Anyone who thinks that he could not make the V10 work needs to consider that Vince ("Pineapple" to his friends) was running 8s in a rail with a ford V6 in it 15 years ago.......I even know where the car than now has that engine in it, sits right now, although it was only capable of 9s with a full body wrapped around it.

scg87 · Dec 13, 2007, 3:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

Not only am I 100% serious, but the rumors about lambo's involvement are GREATLY exaggerated. The man who made it work was a friend of Monkey's dad and a friend of mine. He was an engineer and a machinist named Vince Jamora, and I have his prints and notes on the original viper engine.
Anyone who thinks that he could not make the V10 work needs to consider that Vince ("Pineapple" to his friends) was running 8s in a rail with a ford V6 in it 15 years ago.......I even know where the car than now has that engine in it, sits right now, although it was only capable of 9s with a full body wrapped around it.

I did some research on the limited info I could find, and have a few questions for you-

1. What exactly do you mean by it's a "360 w/ two extra cylinders"?

2. The only thing I could find in common between the two is the 4.00 bore. The Viper V10 is as you know an all-aluminum mill. Also, Dodge's 360 is actually a 5.8 liter and the Viper V10 an 8.0. Why the odd number of increased displacement????

3. The reason I ask the above question is because when different engines share general construction just offer different cylinder count, the engines' displacement increases correspondingly w/ the increased cylinders. For instance, GM's 2.8 liter I-4 and 3.5 liter I-5 found in the Colorado/Canyon and the 4.2 I-6 found in the Trailblazer.

I'm just very curious by your claim, as I have never heard anything like that at all regarding the Viper's engine. Just wondering how much knowledge into the matter you have. Pretty interesting stuff, any info you have sounds good.......

maxmc89 · Dec 13, 2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by scg87

I did some research on the limited info I could find, and have a few questions for you-

1. What exactly do you mean by it's a "360 w/ two extra cylinders"?

2. The only thing I could find in common between the two is the 4.00 bore. The Viper V10 is as you know an all-aluminum mill. Also, Dodge's 360 is actually a 5.8 liter and the Viper V10 an 8.0. Why the odd number of increased displacement????

3. The reason I ask the above question is because when different engines share general construction just offer different cylinder count, the engines' displacement increases correspondingly w/ the increased cylinders. For instance, GM's 2.8 liter I-4 and 3.5 liter I-5 found in the Colorado/Canyon and the 4.2 I-6 found in the Trailblazer.

I'm just very curious by your claim, as I have never heard anything like that at all regarding the Viper's engine. Just wondering how much knowledge into the matter you have. Pretty interesting stuff, any info you have sounds good.......

1. Well they just used the same plans to create a V10 by adding two more cylinders.

2. (5.8 litres / 8 cylinders) x 10 cylinders = 7.25 litres. Keeping the same bore but increasing the stroke by 11% = 8 litres.

3. Look at step 2! The reason why the rule doesnt apply here is because they increased the stroke, making the displacement bigger.

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AWDfreak AMERICA: F*** YEAH Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SF Bay Area, CA (USA) Posts: 8,969	BS I believe it was either: * based off of a Dodge truck engine block * built by Dodge, then used the engine block design for trucks Ask a hardcore MOPAR fan. jjo should be of some help, if he's on..... __________________ ...it's too mainstream... [Starbucks] tastes like crap... - hipster teXas

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AWDfreak AMERICA: F*** YEAH Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SF Bay Area, CA (USA) Posts: 8,969	^so, it was a collaboration? I do know that Carroll Shelby also helped with the development of the Viper... The Viper will always be a special car in my mind. My first dream car. And as you guys can tell, made by people other than Dodge employees..... __________________ ...it's too mainstream... [Starbucks] tastes like crap... - hipster teXas

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FR500 Experienced Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 824	I read Lambo tuned/redesigned the truck-esque V10 at the beggining, they got like 450hp from the truck engine but it was an unreliable design so went back to Chrysler's engineers __________________ 1995 Escort Cosworth 1997 Ford Explorer 2003 Focus Ghia

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Attaus Wheelman Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Lone Star State Ride: 2003 330Ci Posts: 10,546	Dodge was trying to figure out how to boost the output of the 10 cyl and they took it to Lambo. They didn't build the engine, just improved it. __________________ "Political discussion are like Nyquil." - Rav

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wanna koenigsegg Lord Stinkknuckle Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, Southern Hemisphere, Earth Posts: 5,666	I thought Viper Motors were built in a shed for years... I doubt Lambo built it...

Dec 12, 2007, 10:39 PM	#4
Super__Porsche Junior Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 74	I think Lamborghini worked with dodge in making the engine for the first Viper. I remember doing a report on it and i found that on it.

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F1racer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 73	I dont think that vipers today have any influence from lambo.

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Swnate Starting Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 18	I read in some book that the original v10 in the first generation vipers were based originally on a truck engine for dodge but seeing its potential asked Lambo for some help. The book said it was designed "in-house" by lambo but i highly doubt that. they may however have had some influence in its overall design like flow of the ports and intake and stuff. The new motors 8.3L or whatever are just bored and stroked versions of the old 8.0L as far as i know despite numerous upgrades including for '08 a variable cam, the first ever for a OHV (cam in block) design.

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