heel-toe braking

bigred318 · Oct 05, 2004, 12:57 AM

Alrite people. First off, Heel toe is useful in a racing situation and it's used to save clutch and put less stress on the engine, but you already know that, good. When you come into a turn and want to slow down quickly it's handy, but the real intention is to be in the proper gear to accelerate through the corner and not have to get the jerk of an engine reving high as you let the clutch out (throw you into a slide, not good) and to save time from giving it a throttle blip after you're done braking.

For autocross, I've never seen a practical use unless you're on a very fast course where you get into third and have to go to second. If you're in a turn where you need to go to first you're ussually not going fast enough to have to worry about the massive oversteer situations and if you get into them you should probably be in second.

Ok I'm done with that. Try this: heel toe in a honda is actually heel and toe. with the toe being on the brake and the heel blipping the gas. But in the BMW it's a whole different story. The pedals are too close to try and propery blip the throttle with the gas.

The solution is still called heel-toe, but it's really more like left side of foot-right side of foot. Coming into a turn BEFORE the turn, trail braking = bad unless you're passing someone on a race track, put the clutch in with the left foot, press the brake with half of your right foot and roll your foot over to blip the gas. Let the clutch out and bam second gear through the turn.

Feel free to try both. I've heard of some using the ball of their foot and their heel to blip the throttle, this works too but is more difficult to learn.

CAUTION: HEEL-TOE BRAKING IS BRAKING. The whole point of this is to slow faster in a race situation on the track. Trying it on the street is a , but while you're playing out in the country it would be acceptable. Before you go out and start trying to blip the throttle, make sure you're learning it with your foot firmly planted on the brake. If you're foot slips off the brake you're screwed, so worry about braking before you worry about blipping the throttle.

David

Maserati Man · Oct 05, 2004, 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bigred318

CAUTION: HEEL-TOE BRAKING IS BRAKING.

uhh? ya think?

bigred318 · Oct 05, 2004, 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Maserati Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigred318

CAUTION: HEEL-TOE BRAKING IS BRAKING.

uhh? ya think?

well trust me, there are some people out there that think this style of braking will lead to otehr things, i have expeirnce in this dude

David

Maserati Man · Oct 05, 2004, 1:17 AM

im not trying to be mean just to tell you, its how i am.

bigred318 · Oct 05, 2004, 1:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Maserati Man

im not trying to be mean just to tell you, its how i am.

haha its cool man, im sure we will ahve some good arguments on this site! haha, anways you seem pretty smart though!

David

999 · Oct 05, 2004, 6:36 PM

yeah... heal and toe........right on dude.........

Mopar68 · Oct 05, 2004, 7:23 PM

thanks man. I really like this post. I was very interested in heel toe but had no idea what it was. Thanks man. Do you know what trail braking is? I dont know anyone who can tell me.

Attaus · Oct 05, 2004, 11:20 PM

Ooh, I knew what trail braking was about 2 weeks ago. They had a show about it on Speed not too long ago. I think its when you break into a corner, and then ease into the corner with your foot still on the pedal and then lightly lift your foot until you hit the apex and accelerate through. Trail braking will usually give you better turn-ins and traction in hard corners.

Kirstyn · Oct 05, 2004, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Attaus

Ooh, I knew what trail braking was about 2 weeks ago. They had a show about it on Speed not too long ago. I think its when you break into a corner, and then ease into the corner with your foot still on the pedal and then lightly lift your foot until you hit the apex and accelerate through. Trail braking will usually give you better turn-ins and traction in hard corners.

we get speed channel here????? what number is it (i have digi. cabel and satelite)

Attaus · Oct 05, 2004, 11:30 PM

I believe its 150 on Dish Network and 607 on Direct TV. (I have both, I have Direct on the boat and Dish at the house)

Kirstyn · Oct 05, 2004, 11:32 PM

ok thanx... wow... lived here over 3 years and still havent realized we get speed here....

Oct 05, 2004, 12:57 AM	#1
bigred318 Starting Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bellingham Washington Posts: 21	heel-toe braking Alrite people. First off, Heel toe is useful in a racing situation and it's used to save clutch and put less stress on the engine, but you already know that, good. When you come into a turn and want to slow down quickly it's handy, but the real intention is to be in the proper gear to accelerate through the corner and not have to get the jerk of an engine reving high as you let the clutch out (throw you into a slide, not good) and to save time from giving it a throttle blip after you're done braking. For autocross, I've never seen a practical use unless you're on a very fast course where you get into third and have to go to second. If you're in a turn where you need to go to first you're ussually not going fast enough to have to worry about the massive oversteer situations and if you get into them you should probably be in second. Ok I'm done with that. Try this: heel toe in a honda is actually heel and toe. with the toe being on the brake and the heel blipping the gas. But in the BMW it's a whole different story. The pedals are too close to try and propery blip the throttle with the gas. The solution is still called heel-toe, but it's really more like left side of foot-right side of foot. Coming into a turn BEFORE the turn, trail braking = bad unless you're passing someone on a race track, put the clutch in with the left foot, press the brake with half of your right foot and roll your foot over to blip the gas. Let the clutch out and bam second gear through the turn. Feel free to try both. I've heard of some using the ball of their foot and their heel to blip the throttle, this works too but is more difficult to learn. CAUTION: HEEL-TOE BRAKING IS BRAKING. The whole point of this is to slow faster in a race situation on the track. Trying it on the street is a , but while you're playing out in the country it would be acceptable. Before you go out and start trying to blip the throttle, make sure you're learning it with your foot firmly planted on the brake. If you're foot slips off the brake you're screwed, so worry about braking before you worry about blipping the throttle. David

Oct 05, 2004, 1:17 AM	#4
Maserati Man CCC for life Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tucson A to the Z Posts: 4,559	im not trying to be mean just to tell you, its how i am. __________________ "I wouldn't marry a salad bar... Unless it had pudding." - Penn Jillette

Oct 05, 2004, 7:23 PM	#7
Mopar68 The anti-hippie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Westfield, New Jersey Posts: 7,488	thanks man. I really like this post. I was very interested in heel toe but had no idea what it was. Thanks man. Do you know what trail braking is? I dont know anyone who can tell me. __________________ "....give it everything you've got cause it'll throw you back more than you could ever imagine." -WP

Oct 05, 2004, 11:20 PM	#8
Attaus Wheelman Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Lone Star State Ride: 2003 330Ci Posts: 10,533	Ooh, I knew what trail braking was about 2 weeks ago. They had a show about it on Speed not too long ago. I think its when you break into a corner, and then ease into the corner with your foot still on the pedal and then lightly lift your foot until you hit the apex and accelerate through. Trail braking will usually give you better turn-ins and traction in hard corners. __________________ "Political discussion are like Nyquil." - Rav

Oct 05, 2004, 11:30 PM	#10
Attaus Wheelman Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Lone Star State Ride: 2003 330Ci Posts: 10,533	I believe its 150 on Dish Network and 607 on Direct TV. (I have both, I have Direct on the boat and Dish at the house) __________________ "Political discussion are like Nyquil." - Rav

Oct 05, 2004, 6:36 PM	#6
999 Junior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ATX Posts: 94	yeah... heal and toe........right on dude.........

Oct 05, 2004, 11:32 PM	#11
Kirstyn Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Just Outside Reality Posts: 7,101	ok thanx... wow... lived here over 3 years and still havent realized we get speed here....

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