Best Engine of the Year !

White-Night · Jun 05, 2003, 11:59 AM

( first i hope u will understand my writting couse there are somewords i dont really know how to write , sorry )

each year there isa competition called engine of the year ..
it started in 1999 till now ...
in the last 3 years ..BMW took most of the prizes , for example in 2002 she won the best engine for the 4.4 liter engine volvetronic ! and another 4 prizes the best engine in the range of 2.5 till 3 liter and the best between 3 til 4 liter and above 4 liter engines ...
but this year for the first time honda took the most awards over BMW ...

honda won 4 prizes :
the best economic fuel engine ..
best 1 till 1.4 liter engine the hybrid 1.3 liter engine of the civic IMA
best 1.8 til 2 liter engine . the 2 liter engine in the S2000
and the below 1 liter engine in the hybird insite ...

the BMW won the 3 big size engines prizes :
the 2 till 2.5 liter prize for the 2.5 liter engine in the Z4
the 3 till 4 liter engine prize for the 3.2 liter engine from the M3
and the 1.6 liter turbo charhed from the mini cooper S who won the 1.4 till 1,8 liter prize.

the preformance engine prize went to the mercedes V8 engine from the 55 and the SL , E,S and CL that was developed with the help of AMG .

but the award winning ENGINE of the year ...took ...the rotoric engine of the new mazda RX8 the engines name as it is called the rensis won with a total of 316 points and he beaten the VW 10V diesel engine , which won the over 4 liter engine prize and the thirdplace went to the M3 engine ...

the winners from the beginning of the compatition :
1999 : toyota yaris 1 liter engine
2000 : honda 1 liter engine in the insite
2001 : BMW's 3.2 liter engine in the M3
2002 : BMW's 4.4 liter volvetronic engine from the 7 series and the X5

mallon · Jun 05, 2003, 2:11 PM

Quote:

the preformance engine prize went to the mercedes V8 engine from the 55 and the SL , E,S and CL that was developed with the help of AMG .

yeah i said that ini a previous post....
Mercedes have some great new engines...

ALthough as shown in F1, I still prefer BMW's - dont know why, I just always have.

Although for modifications, has to be the 'cossie' 8)

White-Night · Jun 05, 2003, 2:48 PM

for me i will always say BMW Rules ,

but hay i cant say Merc's engine isn't the best ... informations and test talks~!!!!

any ways u can see that honda is a great engine manufactor....
and thats a Fact that everybody should know , specially Japanees haters!!!

NiGiz · Jun 05, 2003, 5:17 PM

BMW M3 3.2 lt. Nothing more, nothing less!

Mopar68 · Jun 05, 2003, 8:03 PM

I think I can speak for all when i say that the best all around engine of the year is the 5.7 liter HEMI V-8 from chysler. If only they put it in a car (hint hint!).

White-Night · Jun 05, 2003, 8:07 PM

u can speak for urself , and i respect it ....
but honestly i dont like american engines... big liters small hp ...
so i will be fair with u ... give me some more information about this engine ...
but my personal favorite is the 5.4 liter from the 750 iL BMW....
lets see if u can change my mind ...!

Mopar68 · Jun 05, 2003, 9:04 PM

I was just kidding when i said I was speaking for everyone. Seriously though, the hemi is the best engine ever. Think about this. How long has the Bimmer engine you like been around? Probaly not as long as the Hemi. A stout 50+ years. Thats the thing i like about the HEMI. Chysler has taken a good idea and stuck with it. 50 some years ago, they came up with the idea of hemi spherical cylinder heads. This insreased the compersion in the cylinder chamber and boosting horsepower. I don't know a whole lot about the new hemi. I know it's 5.7 liters, 375hp, iron block and aluminum cylinder heads. I think it has an 8:1 compresion ratio, but i could be wrong. Even though this seems like a big engine, it's nothing compared to the 426 street hemi. I think it's about 7 liters. It was said to have 425hp, but it was really dynoed at 575+hp (this was due to insurance reasons). The hemi is the most innovative engine ever in my opinion. Lets take the chevy 454. A larger engine, but only 400 somehting hp. The 427 cobra jet was powerful, but was only dynoed at about 500+, and this was more expensive than the hemi option. Now, chevy made a LZ1 engine. This was extemly powerful, rated at 600+ hp, but the option was only installed on 50 camaros and 2 corvettes (one of which is still around). This made the engine option more expensive than the cars. The cars brand new were about $7,500 (the vette was way more, like the $10,000's). This may seem like a bargin, but in 1969, it was about $100,000+. Most exotics weren't worth that much. And the HEMI has lasting value, as you know. That 1 corvette is worth over $300,000+, but a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda, 1 of about 9 made, is worth about $600,000-$1,000,000!

So, case in point, the Hemi is certainly not the most powerful engine anymore. You can get some turbocharged rice-raockets for a couple grand less than the Hemi truck. But just remember it's history. It has been known as an inexpansive yet powerful engine and always will be. It has been very induvidual, and very reliable, and always will be. And the best reason of all, the sound. A new hemi might sound tame now, but a 426 is the best sounding engine ever made.

NiGiz · Jun 06, 2003, 3:40 AM

Dude the M3(E46) and the I-Vtec from the Honda S2000 have the best analogy hp/ltrs. Very stable, don't break, superb sound and the most of all they'r small compared to 5.0 and 6.0 ltrs that Americans have.

White-Night · Jun 06, 2003, 7:12 AM

i agree with u ..
but Mopar68 was talking about a classic... a 50 year old engine as i understood ...
i was never interested in american cars or engines .. couse from the ones we have in our country the pretty suck...
although .. i dont know much about other cars that cant be bough in here ...
i never heard about this Hemi ...but at least u got me interested ..
ill check it out ...

NiGiz · Jun 06, 2003, 8:08 AM

Yeah Hemi is a classic Big Block V8 engine. Kinda old though...

Mopar68 · Jun 06, 2003, 9:30 PM

Whoa, you haven't heard of the 426 Street HEMI? Were do you live? Certainly not america I hope. Yes, the Hemi was an excellent engine and never really broke down. But it had a tendincy to be finicky. Other more solid engines from chysler are the 440 magnum and the 383. Very good, solid engines. I thin kthey are even more reliable than those v-tec engines. You also got the famous 454, 427, 396 and the most popular, the 350 smallblock. The 350 smallblock is qutie possibly the most adaptable engine ever made. It's used to pump out horsepower ranging from a modest 325 to the awe inspiring 700+, without a turbo or supercharger.

The most important thing about these engine is that they were extremely simple to maintain. Todays engines are great, but they require alot of skill to take apart an engine and put it back together again nowadays. In the sixties, there wer no plastic dress up items in the engine bay, just good old glistening iron.

Jun 07, 2003, 12:23 AM

have any of u guys heard of the chevy cate engine that is a 572 ci i think?
i heard it pumps out around 650 + but i think its more in the 700's can anyone clarify that for me please?

mallon · Jun 07, 2003, 8:04 AM

i assume you mean chevy crate engine!

Anyway, there is a ZZ572,
and there was 2 versions, the 620BHP one, and the 720BHP one.

jimkk29 · Jun 20, 2003, 7:38 AM

OK, three of the best engines ever created are (random order):

1. Honda S2000 (2lt, 240PS --> 120 PS/lt)
2. BMW M3 (3,2lt, 343PS --> 107 PS/lt)
3. Ferrari Enzo (6lt, 660PS --> 110PS/lt)

All three are normally aspirated, without stupid turbos or superchargers... 8)

mallon · Jun 20, 2003, 2:34 PM

I definetly agree with the M3 engine - pure quality.

But when it comes to supercars - i think alot of credit should go to Bugatti's W16 with four turbo chargers. Its not easy making something like that semi economically and reliably.

Jun 05, 2003, 11:59 AM	#1
White-Night Enthusiast Join Date: May 2003 Location: At The Steering Wheel Posts: 1,035	Best Engine of the Year ! ( first i hope u will understand my writting couse there are somewords i dont really know how to write , sorry ) each year there isa competition called engine of the year .. it started in 1999 till now ... in the last 3 years ..BMW took most of the prizes , for example in 2002 she won the best engine for the 4.4 liter engine volvetronic ! and another 4 prizes the best engine in the range of 2.5 till 3 liter and the best between 3 til 4 liter and above 4 liter engines ... but this year for the first time honda took the most awards over BMW ... honda won 4 prizes : the best economic fuel engine .. best 1 till 1.4 liter engine the hybrid 1.3 liter engine of the civic IMA best 1.8 til 2 liter engine . the 2 liter engine in the S2000 and the below 1 liter engine in the hybird insite ... the BMW won the 3 big size engines prizes : the 2 till 2.5 liter prize for the 2.5 liter engine in the Z4 the 3 till 4 liter engine prize for the 3.2 liter engine from the M3 and the 1.6 liter turbo charhed from the mini cooper S who won the 1.4 till 1,8 liter prize. the preformance engine prize went to the mercedes V8 engine from the 55 and the SL , E,S and CL that was developed with the help of AMG . but the award winning ENGINE of the year ...took ...the rotoric engine of the new mazda RX8 the engines name as it is called the rensis won with a total of 316 points and he beaten the VW 10V diesel engine , which won the over 4 liter engine prize and the thirdplace went to the M3 engine ... the winners from the beginning of the compatition : 1999 : toyota yaris 1 liter engine 2000 : honda 1 liter engine in the insite 2001 : BMW's 3.2 liter engine in the M3 2002 : BMW's 4.4 liter volvetronic engine from the 7 series and the X5 __________________ I Don't Drive Fast ... I Fly Low

Jun 05, 2003, 2:48 PM	#3
White-Night Enthusiast Join Date: May 2003 Location: At The Steering Wheel Posts: 1,035	for me i will always say BMW Rules , but hay i cant say Merc's engine isn't the best ... informations and test talks~!!!! any ways u can see that honda is a great engine manufactor.... and thats a Fact that everybody should know , specially Japanees haters!!! __________________ I Don't Drive Fast ... I Fly Low

Jun 05, 2003, 5:17 PM	#4
NiGiz Poster Join Date: May 2003 Location: Athens, Hellas Posts: 459	BMW M3 3.2 lt. Nothing more, nothing less! __________________ Cuore Sportivo!

Jun 05, 2003, 8:03 PM	#5
Mopar68 The anti-hippie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Westfield, New Jersey Posts: 7,488	Hemi I think I can speak for all when i say that the best all around engine of the year is the 5.7 liter HEMI V-8 from chysler. If only they put it in a car (hint hint!). __________________ "....give it everything you've got cause it'll throw you back more than you could ever imagine." -WP

Jun 05, 2003, 8:07 PM	#6
White-Night Enthusiast Join Date: May 2003 Location: At The Steering Wheel Posts: 1,035	u can speak for urself , and i respect it .... but honestly i dont like american engines... big liters small hp ... so i will be fair with u ... give me some more information about this engine ... but my personal favorite is the 5.4 liter from the 750 iL BMW.... lets see if u can change my mind ...! __________________ I Don't Drive Fast ... I Fly Low

Jun 05, 2003, 9:04 PM	#7
Mopar68 The anti-hippie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Westfield, New Jersey Posts: 7,488	just kidding I was just kidding when i said I was speaking for everyone. Seriously though, the hemi is the best engine ever. Think about this. How long has the Bimmer engine you like been around? Probaly not as long as the Hemi. A stout 50+ years. Thats the thing i like about the HEMI. Chysler has taken a good idea and stuck with it. 50 some years ago, they came up with the idea of hemi spherical cylinder heads. This insreased the compersion in the cylinder chamber and boosting horsepower. I don't know a whole lot about the new hemi. I know it's 5.7 liters, 375hp, iron block and aluminum cylinder heads. I think it has an 8:1 compresion ratio, but i could be wrong. Even though this seems like a big engine, it's nothing compared to the 426 street hemi. I think it's about 7 liters. It was said to have 425hp, but it was really dynoed at 575+hp (this was due to insurance reasons). The hemi is the most innovative engine ever in my opinion. Lets take the chevy 454. A larger engine, but only 400 somehting hp. The 427 cobra jet was powerful, but was only dynoed at about 500+, and this was more expensive than the hemi option. Now, chevy made a LZ1 engine. This was extemly powerful, rated at 600+ hp, but the option was only installed on 50 camaros and 2 corvettes (one of which is still around). This made the engine option more expensive than the cars. The cars brand new were about $7,500 (the vette was way more, like the $10,000's). This may seem like a bargin, but in 1969, it was about $100,000+. Most exotics weren't worth that much. And the HEMI has lasting value, as you know. That 1 corvette is worth over $300,000+, but a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda, 1 of about 9 made, is worth about $600,000-$1,000,000! So, case in point, the Hemi is certainly not the most powerful engine anymore. You can get some turbocharged rice-raockets for a couple grand less than the Hemi truck. But just remember it's history. It has been known as an inexpansive yet powerful engine and always will be. It has been very induvidual, and very reliable, and always will be. And the best reason of all, the sound. A new hemi might sound tame now, but a 426 is the best sounding engine ever made. __________________ "....give it everything you've got cause it'll throw you back more than you could ever imagine." -WP

Jun 06, 2003, 3:40 AM	#8
NiGiz Poster Join Date: May 2003 Location: Athens, Hellas Posts: 459	Dude the M3(E46) and the I-Vtec from the Honda S2000 have the best analogy hp/ltrs. Very stable, don't break, superb sound and the most of all they'r small compared to 5.0 and 6.0 ltrs that Americans have. __________________ Cuore Sportivo!

Jun 06, 2003, 7:12 AM	#9
White-Night Enthusiast Join Date: May 2003 Location: At The Steering Wheel Posts: 1,035	i agree with u .. but Mopar68 was talking about a classic... a 50 year old engine as i understood ... i was never interested in american cars or engines .. couse from the ones we have in our country the pretty suck... although .. i dont know much about other cars that cant be bough in here ... i never heard about this Hemi ...but at least u got me interested .. ill check it out ... __________________ I Don't Drive Fast ... I Fly Low

Jun 06, 2003, 8:08 AM	#10
NiGiz Poster Join Date: May 2003 Location: Athens, Hellas Posts: 459	Yeah Hemi is a classic Big Block V8 engine. Kinda old though... __________________ Cuore Sportivo!

Jun 06, 2003, 9:30 PM	#11
Mopar68 The anti-hippie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Westfield, New Jersey Posts: 7,488	Whoa, you haven't heard of the 426 Street HEMI? Were do you live? Certainly not america I hope. Yes, the Hemi was an excellent engine and never really broke down. But it had a tendincy to be finicky. Other more solid engines from chysler are the 440 magnum and the 383. Very good, solid engines. I thin kthey are even more reliable than those v-tec engines. You also got the famous 454, 427, 396 and the most popular, the 350 smallblock. The 350 smallblock is qutie possibly the most adaptable engine ever made. It's used to pump out horsepower ranging from a modest 325 to the awe inspiring 700+, without a turbo or supercharger. The most important thing about these engine is that they were extremely simple to maintain. Todays engines are great, but they require alot of skill to take apart an engine and put it back together again nowadays. In the sixties, there wer no plastic dress up items in the engine bay, just good old glistening iron. __________________ "....give it everything you've got cause it'll throw you back more than you could ever imagine." -WP

Jun 07, 2003, 12:23 AM	#12
Anonymous Posts: n/a	have any of u guys heard of the chevy cate engine that is a 572 ci i think? i heard it pumps out around 650 + but i think its more in the 700's can anyone clarify that for me please?

Jun 07, 2003, 8:04 AM	#13
mallon Enthusiast Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,371	i assume you mean chevy crate engine! Anyway, there is a ZZ572, and there was 2 versions, the 620BHP one, and the 720BHP one.

Jun 20, 2003, 7:38 AM	#14
jimkk29 SCF Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 7,080	OK, three of the best engines ever created are (random order): 1. Honda S2000 (2lt, 240PS --> 120 PS/lt) 2. BMW M3 (3,2lt, 343PS --> 107 PS/lt) 3. Ferrari Enzo (6lt, 660PS --> 110PS/lt) All three are normally aspirated, without stupid turbos or superchargers... 8)

Jun 20, 2003, 2:34 PM	#15
mallon Enthusiast Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,371	I definetly agree with the M3 engine - pure quality. But when it comes to supercars - i think alot of credit should go to Bugatti's W16 with four turbo chargers. Its not easy making something like that semi economically and reliably.

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