Questions about Drifting

LS ONE · Jul 01, 2005, 6:13 PM

Im not bad mouthing drifting but I would like some one to explan it to me. I dont see the point of a motorsport where you drive sideways. Kind of seems a little strange when that is all that is do. So could someone please clue me in on drifting

Driftster · Jul 01, 2005, 6:21 PM

I don't see the point of a motorsport where you slam on the gas for....6 seconds....

It's all a matter of opinion man.

There is ALOT of driver skill involved in maintaining a 600HP car sideways. ALOT more so than there is in maintaining a 600HP car in a straight line, you see what i'm getting at?

Drifting is for people who appreciate drivers skill aswell as car performance, but don't want to be so limited to cars of their own class. Because in drifting a 5000-12,000 dollar toyota can, and has come out on top over 45,000-80,000 dollar cars.

See how someone might enjoy that?

LS ONE · Jul 01, 2005, 6:25 PM

So its not always the fastest car but the best driver. Ok so even if you dont have a fast car you can still win.

It all about the underdog

Driftster · Jul 01, 2005, 8:58 PM

Exactly, and drifting started with the Touge.. Touge was the "street racing" of japan, outside of the Wangan....

Touge = downhill, since japan's rural roads are moslty around mountains..they'd race up and down...Hence Initial D (minus the drifting)...
And since the fastest way around a course is a combination of drift and grip, considering slip angels and everything drifting was enevitably born.

and like street racing in america not everyone has 4358439085380 dollars to go spend on the best car, so they made do with what they had. So that's how you hear about these cars that normally arn't considered performance cars have now broken through..
Like the Civic...The AE86, the Toyota Soarer, the Chaser etc etc etc...

RyTakahashi34 · Jul 01, 2005, 9:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driftster

I don't see the point of a motorsport where you slam on the gas for....6 seconds....

It's all a matter of opinion man.

There is ALOT of driver skill involved in maintaining a 600HP car sideways. ALOT more so than there is in maintaining a 600HP car in a straight line, you see what i'm getting at?

Drifting is for people who appreciate drivers skill aswell as car performance...
...See how someone might enjoy that?

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Nailed it, Driftster. See sig.

SaleenRunner04 · Jul 01, 2005, 11:12 PM

perfect explenation! two thumbs up for drifster!

Type_R · Jul 05, 2005, 10:25 PM

yup yup, drifting is very hard, to be able to control a car like that you need to know your car very well

-drifting also provides another line i think....

drifting is also way more exciting and fun, well for me it is..

Prelude · Jul 06, 2005, 6:18 PM

It's just fun to watch.

It must be stated though, so that no one gets confused:

True drifting (i.e. swinging the car around sideways) is never, ever the fastest 'line'. By it's very nature you are not utilizing the full abiliity of the car to turn and maintain speed.

The 'drifting' that you may have seen some road racing cars perform is not true drifting, it is simply the car being driven just beyond the limit of it's grip.

Type_R · Jul 06, 2005, 8:02 PM

Would those rally cars sliding their way through very very tight hairpins consider to be drifting?

because that seems to be the fastest way around a corner

Prelude · Jul 06, 2005, 9:48 PM

No, they're not really drifting either. It the same principle as with the road race cars: they're driving a bit beyond the actual limiting grip of the car. It just looks a little more 'drifty' because it's well, loose gravel or dirt instead of pavement. You slide a bit further on it.

But the true e-brake-sliding-sideways-through-a-turn drifting (what you watch in the options videos or initial d) is never faster.

Driftster · Jul 07, 2005, 12:35 AM

Prelude, actually it depends on the car, the course, etc etc. Drifting would get a car that has extremely low torque, with a high center of gravity around a corner series going uphill alot faster than if he broke corrected accelled

LS ONE · Jul 07, 2005, 12:41 AM

We are still on this. Man all i wanted was the facts and i got them but hey if you people like this topic than good. Oh one more thing how does someone win in a drifting event.

SaleenRunner04 · Jul 07, 2005, 1:56 AM

wow i never thought of that. how DOES someone win a drift event?

im gonna be going to the Formula D event at Irwindale Speedway, CA on august 27th so id like to know a little more about this intresting show.

jonny_gsx · Jul 07, 2005, 2:06 AM

Hmm, well i've never been to a D1 or formula d but i heard/read somewhere that the judges take "crowd reaction" inot account. i hope thats not true b/c that just de-legitimizies drifitng for me....
dose anyone know if this is true?

Driftster · Jul 07, 2005, 2:37 AM

I don't know if the judging is the same but these are some of the variables..

Showmanship (do you wave, showoff Etc)
Speed
Angle
Smoke
duration(can you go through 4 consecutive corners, or can you only do 3 ETC)
risk (are your wheels going off the course in order to hold the drift just that much longer)
Crowd appeal

there's other stuff that goes into it...
It's just like ANY other kind of judging...If you look the best you get the best score..

Jul 01, 2005, 6:13 PM	#1
LS ONE Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 263	Questions about Drifting Im not bad mouthing drifting but I would like some one to explan it to me. I dont see the point of a motorsport where you drive sideways. Kind of seems a little strange when that is all that is do. So could someone please clue me in on drifting __________________ From out of the ashes the LS 1 shall rise again.

Jul 01, 2005, 6:21 PM	#2
Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49,028	I don't see the point of a motorsport where you slam on the gas for....6 seconds.... It's all a matter of opinion man. There is ALOT of driver skill involved in maintaining a 600HP car sideways. ALOT more so than there is in maintaining a 600HP car in a straight line, you see what i'm getting at? Drifting is for people who appreciate drivers skill aswell as car performance, but don't want to be so limited to cars of their own class. Because in drifting a 5000-12,000 dollar toyota can, and has come out on top over 45,000-80,000 dollar cars. See how someone might enjoy that? __________________ R.I.P. Randy

Jul 01, 2005, 6:25 PM	#3
LS ONE Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 263	So its not always the fastest car but the best driver. Ok so even if you dont have a fast car you can still win. It all about the underdog __________________ From out of the ashes the LS 1 shall rise again.

Jul 01, 2005, 8:58 PM	#4
Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49,028	Exactly, and drifting started with the Touge.. Touge was the "street racing" of japan, outside of the Wangan.... Touge = downhill, since japan's rural roads are moslty around mountains..they'd race up and down...Hence Initial D (minus the drifting)... And since the fastest way around a course is a combination of drift and grip, considering slip angels and everything drifting was enevitably born. and like street racing in america not everyone has 4358439085380 dollars to go spend on the best car, so they made do with what they had. So that's how you hear about these cars that normally arn't considered performance cars have now broken through.. Like the Civic...The AE86, the Toyota Soarer, the Chaser etc etc etc... __________________ R.I.P. Randy

Jul 01, 2005, 11:12 PM	#6
SaleenRunner04 Poster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The OC, Southern California Posts: 231	perfect explenation! two thumbs up for drifster! __________________ I've Got An Intership With Saleen In Irvine!

Jul 05, 2005, 10:25 PM	#7
Type_R Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 496	yup yup, drifting is very hard, to be able to control a car like that you need to know your car very well -drifting also provides another line i think.... drifting is also way more exciting and fun, well for me it is..

Jul 06, 2005, 6:18 PM	#8
Prelude Starting Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 24	It's just fun to watch. It must be stated though, so that no one gets confused: True drifting (i.e. swinging the car around sideways) is never, ever the fastest 'line'. By it's very nature you are not utilizing the full abiliity of the car to turn and maintain speed. The 'drifting' that you may have seen some road racing cars perform is not true drifting, it is simply the car being driven just beyond the limit of it's grip.

Jul 06, 2005, 8:02 PM	#9
Type_R Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 496	Would those rally cars sliding their way through very very tight hairpins consider to be drifting? because that seems to be the fastest way around a corner

Jul 06, 2005, 9:48 PM	#10
Prelude Starting Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 24	No, they're not really drifting either. It the same principle as with the road race cars: they're driving a bit beyond the actual limiting grip of the car. It just looks a little more 'drifty' because it's well, loose gravel or dirt instead of pavement. You slide a bit further on it. But the true e-brake-sliding-sideways-through-a-turn drifting (what you watch in the options videos or initial d) is never faster.

Jul 07, 2005, 12:35 AM	#11
Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49,028	Prelude, actually it depends on the car, the course, etc etc. Drifting would get a car that has extremely low torque, with a high center of gravity around a corner series going uphill alot faster than if he broke corrected accelled __________________ R.I.P. Randy

Jul 07, 2005, 12:41 AM	#12
LS ONE Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 263	We are still on this. Man all i wanted was the facts and i got them but hey if you people like this topic than good. Oh one more thing how does someone win in a drifting event. __________________ From out of the ashes the LS 1 shall rise again.

Jul 07, 2005, 1:56 AM	#13
SaleenRunner04 Poster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The OC, Southern California Posts: 231	wow i never thought of that. how DOES someone win a drift event? im gonna be going to the Formula D event at Irwindale Speedway, CA on august 27th so id like to know a little more about this intresting show. __________________ I've Got An Intership With Saleen In Irvine!

Jul 07, 2005, 2:06 AM	#14
jonny_gsx Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: norcal-Bay Area Posts: 1,905	Hmm, well i've never been to a D1 or formula d but i heard/read somewhere that the judges take "crowd reaction" inot account. i hope thats not true b/c that just de-legitimizies drifitng for me.... dose anyone know if this is true? __________________ 2004 Rally Blue WRX yum

Jul 07, 2005, 2:37 AM	#15
Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49,028	I don't know if the judging is the same but these are some of the variables.. Showmanship (do you wave, showoff Etc) Speed Angle Smoke duration(can you go through 4 consecutive corners, or can you only do 3 ETC) risk (are your wheels going off the course in order to hold the drift just that much longer) Crowd appeal there's other stuff that goes into it... It's just like ANY other kind of judging...If you look the best you get the best score.. __________________ R.I.P. Randy

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