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Old May 05, 2004, 10:42 AM   #1
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Max Mosley announced new rules for the F1, and the teams have agreed. But is it good, or wrong for the sport. Give your opinion:
The new rules:
Mosley reported that among the key points agreed were:
- Engines to last more than one race, with power reduced.
- Engine manufacturers to put forward additional proposals to cut engine costs by 50 per cent. This may be achieved through a new smaller, engine formula, or by extending the lifespan of V10 engines.
- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
- Standard brake discs, pads and calipers.
- Weight limits to be reduced.
- The need for a single tyre supplier.
- The need for a new qualifying system.
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Max Mosley announced new rules for the F1, and the teams have agreed. But is it good, or wrong for the sport. Give your opinion:
The new rules:
Mosley reported that among the key points agreed were:
- Engines to last more than one race, with power reduced.
- Engine manufacturers to put forward additional proposals to cut engine costs by 50 per cent. This may be achieved through a new smaller, engine formula, or by extending the lifespan of V10 engines.
- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
- Standard brake discs, pads and calipers.
- Weight limits to be reduced.
- The need for a single tyre supplier.
- The need for a new qualifying system.
Its good and bad, yes it will keep costs down, but hey this is F1.
I am for the longer life engines, which is already happening.
I am for the outlawing of driver aids.
I am against changing the brakes.
A single tire supplier sounds good, but thats gonna be hard to pull off IMO.
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Old May 05, 2004, 2:25 PM   #3
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I am also for the longer life of engines, but they don't whether they are going to make the V10's they use now more reliable, or that they are going to replace them with 2.4 V8. But i still don't know what will be better
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- Engines to last more than one race, with power reduced.
NO, I am against this. I liked more the rule of 2003. We need to see power and extreme engines.

- Engine manufacturers to put forward additional proposals to cut engine costs by 50 per cent. This may be achieved through a new smaller, engine formula, or by extending the lifespan of V10 engines.
NO, don't cut the V10. Try to extend lifespan not by changing the engines, but by simply building stronger engines.

- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
YES, I agree with this one. We need to see the talent of th drivers, not the talent of the engineers who tune the electronic driving aids.

- Standard brake discs, pads and calipers.
Definitely NO, the brakes are the most awesome aspect of F1.

- Weight limits to be reduced.
Does this mean that the cars will be heavier? If this is the case, then NO. The cars must be lightweight.

- The need for a single tyre supplier.
I don't know if this is good or bad. It hurts the spectacle and the competition, but improves fair play.

- The need for a new qualifying system.
YES, the current qualifying system is awful. Last years' was better IMO.
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I heard that they were switching to V8 engines.
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That really sucks. Really.
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I heard that they were switching to V8 engines.
so very very unlikely
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I heard that they were switching to V8 engines.
so very very unlikely

But you have to remember F1 is known to go through changes.
They have had 4,6,8,10 and 12 cylinder engines over the years.

And a modern V8 could potentally rev even higher then a V10.

If it happened I bet Ferrari would use a 5-valve set-up. :-)
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wow, F1 ran 4-cylinder engines? that's pretty crazy. what were the cc on those?

and i think "weight limit to be reduced" means the minimum weight will be reduced, meaning lighter cars.
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wow, F1 ran 4-cylinder engines? that's pretty crazy. what were the cc on those?

and i think "weight limit to be reduced" means the minimum weight will be reduced, meaning lighter cars.
Yup they ran 4 bangers for a period back in the day, also about 25 years ago they used turbocharged 4 cylinders.
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What's so special about F1 car brakes?
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What's so special about F1 car brakes?
That they achieve about 5g decceleration. And that they do that for more than an hour without melting or braking up.
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What's so special about F1 car brakes?
That they achieve about 5g decceleration. And that they do that for more than an hour without melting or braking up.
Ok thanks, but how can i change that to meters or feets you know 100km/h(62mph) - 0 km/h? Other words how many feets a F1 car needs to stop from 62mph?
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Well I think that apart from cutting down on the traction control, all the new proposals absolutely stink!

But I will admit that the engine formula will change. I think the engine builders would of pushed for it sooner or later. V10's are all well and good, but the size is always in question. I am always amazed when "new" fans go about how mad it is to see 3 litre V10's approaching and surpassing 1000bhp but I will ALWAYS love the last of the turbo era engines. The Ford for example. 1.5Litres V6 turbo. And on full boost at certain circuits they had approx 1000-1100BHP and that was back in the mid 1980's!!

And the single tyre supplier. Well for years we only had Goodyear and that was always fun! So maybe development didn't move on as fast but all the cars always used their tyres differently. In fact you could always bet that one of the smaller teams would have a much better setup on monsoon wets and fly in the first wet race! So why not? Possibly get someone like Avon or Goodyear back in? Just to really throw the tyre development curve well out of sink for everyone!
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What's so special about F1 car brakes?
That they achieve about 5g decceleration. And that they do that for more than an hour without melting or braking up.
Ok thanks, but how can i change that to meters or feets you know 100km/h(62mph) - 0 km/h? Other words how many feets a F1 car needs to stop from 62mph?
Well you can't really talk about it like that as it is so brutal!

Here is McLaren have to say about the technical specs on their brakes:

“A further advantage of carbon brakes is that they need very little preconditioning,” Steve continues. “On the brake system, you have all three components – two pads and a disk – all the same material, so no bedding-in is required. All you have to manage is the wear. Operating temperatures can be over a wide range, peaking at 900-1000 degrees C at those moments when they glow under maximum application.

“This, however is a spike temperature, with mean temperatures varying from track to track. Montreal heats the pads the most, to a 600-degree C average, while Silverstone or Suzuka bring mean temperatures of more like 400 degrees C. This is why the mechanics fit electric fans on the brake ducts and wear thermal gloves when they work on the cars.”

Like all Formula One car parts, the brake pads have a much shorter life than those on a road car, with a typical set of carbon brake pads being used for a race, then perhaps a practice and a test session – in total, a maximum of 800km, around five percent of the life of steel road car pads.

Their stopping potential is phenomenal, however, pulling roughly 4g longitudinal load from maximum speed before the speed drops and the aerodynamic forces reduce. In short, carbon brakes are hugely impressive, but so they should be since they are also significantly more expensive than those on a standard road car.

Technical Specification
Weight: 290g
Dimensions: 165mm long; 25mm thick and 45mm wide
Material: Carbon fibre
Number per season: Eight per car at any time, totalling roughly 600 per season"


As for distances well lets see....

www.formula1.com had this to say:

Formula One brakes are remarkably efficient. In combination with the modern advanced tyre compounds they have dramatically reduced braking distances. It takes a Formula One car considerably less distance to stop from 160 km/h than a road car uses to stop from 100 km/h.

I can't actually find any figures! SORRY! Someone help me here! Please!
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