F1 specs

Rouin · Feb 27, 2004, 6:59 AM

had a question on the engineering of the great F1 racecars. the tires have grooves in them. why is this? in a lot of other races they use full slicks, where contact patch is at a maximum and there are no grooves. is it a regulation? is it aerodynamics? wouldn't they want to maximize the contact patch for more grip? here's a pic of those tires:

by the way... in this picture, did his front spoiler just fall off??

Mopar68 · Feb 27, 2004, 8:50 AM

yes, i do belive somehting is going on with the front there. I'm guessing that somehow it would give it more grip, because no other race cars need to corner so hard. Follow up question: is that negative camber on the front wheels or posative?

BluCamSS · Feb 27, 2004, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rouin

had a question on the engineering of the great F1 racecars. the tires have grooves in them. why is this? in a lot of other races they use full slicks, where contact patch is at a maximum and there are no grooves. is it a regulation? is it aerodynamics? wouldn't they want to maximize the contact patch for more grip? here's a pic of those tires:

by the way... in this picture, did his front spoiler just fall off??

The groves are there to SLOW the cars down, they were getting to damn quick with full slicks. The groves give the cars a little less surface area to slow them down a little. And yes And yes the front wing was just knocked off.

jimkk29 · Feb 27, 2004, 4:10 PM

The pilot just crashed and the front spoiler fell off, that's all.
Slicks were used in F1 in the older days. Follow Blucams answer.
And this is negative camber.

Rouin · Feb 28, 2004, 5:00 AM

yeah. racing cars love using that crazy negative camber, almost looks like the wheels are gonna fall off. i wonder how often they have to replace the suspension.

edit... hmm... crazy camber like that really just wears out tires like crazy, which they replace like 5 times a race anyway huh...

mallon · Feb 28, 2004, 11:22 AM

yup the cars where getting too fast so that was the most easily regulated way of slowing them down. It wasbrought about after Senna's crash and stuff like that.
The negetive camber will give you more cornering grip, but less straight line grip.

the pic is of schumacher when he simply crashed in suzuka

mallon · Feb 28, 2004, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimkk29

The pilot just crashed

we call them drivers jim

jimkk29 · Feb 28, 2004, 6:07 PM

Oh sorry, we call them pilots in Greek so I directly translated.

ops:

Darkad · Feb 29, 2004, 7:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluCamSS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rouin

had a question on the engineering of the great F1 racecars. the tires have grooves in them. why is this? in a lot of other races they use full slicks, where contact patch is at a maximum and there are no grooves. is it a regulation? is it aerodynamics? wouldn't they want to maximize the contact patch for more grip? here's a pic of those tires:

by the way... in this picture, did his front spoiler just fall off??

The groves are there to SLOW the cars down, they were getting to damn quick with full slicks. The groves give the cars a little less surface area to slow them down a little. And yes And yes the front wing was just knocked off.

That's the six time World Champion! That's Michael Schumacher!

Rouin · Feb 29, 2004, 8:17 AM

so basically the grooves are there to make the contact patch less and slow them down. basically it'll just slow down their acceleration, right?

BluCamSS · Feb 29, 2004, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rouin

so basically the grooves are there to make the contact patch less and slow them down. basically it'll just slow down their acceleration, right?

Mainly it gives them less grip to slow them down in the turns and stuff.
Even with the grooves the cars still stick like glue. Amazing if you ask me.

mallon · Feb 29, 2004, 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rouin

so basically the grooves are there to make the contact patch less and slow them down. basically it'll just slow down their acceleration, right?

theyll have a very similar top spped ( if not higher with the reduced friction) but with less friction comes less grip - both straight line and lateral grip.

CarRocker · Mar 01, 2004, 7:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rouin

by the way... in this picture, did his front spoiler just fall off??

Do you have to use this pic, it's not funny you know. I almost died when that happened.

But indeed, it is a regulation. I thought it is there since 1998. But in my opinion they should go back to slicks, manual gearbox, and the other stupid electronic things like traction control

mallon · Mar 01, 2004, 9:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarRocker

But indeed, it is a regulation. I thought it is there since 1998. But in my opinion they should go back to slicks, manual gearbox, and the other stupid electronic things like traction control

yeah thats a good idea - lets make cars that will go 160mph around corners with no electronics as safety and make them have to change a manual gearbox in the middle. Lets have many more incidents like with senna.
not to mention the stunt in the technological advance of both F1 and the car world.

Mopar68 · Mar 01, 2004, 12:53 PM

so how fast o you think these cars could do turns if they had full slicks? I'd imagine there would be a point were the driver would have harm come to him due to the g forces.

Feb 27, 2004, 6:59 AM	#1
Rouin Inexperienced Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 831	F1 specs had a question on the engineering of the great F1 racecars. the tires have grooves in them. why is this? in a lot of other races they use full slicks, where contact patch is at a maximum and there are no grooves. is it a regulation? is it aerodynamics? wouldn't they want to maximize the contact patch for more grip? here's a pic of those tires: by the way... in this picture, did his front spoiler just fall off??

Feb 27, 2004, 8:50 AM	#2
Mopar68 The anti-hippie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Westfield, New Jersey Posts: 7,488	yes, i do belive somehting is going on with the front there. I'm guessing that somehow it would give it more grip, because no other race cars need to corner so hard. Follow up question: is that negative camber on the front wheels or posative? __________________ "....give it everything you've got cause it'll throw you back more than you could ever imagine." -WP

Mar 01, 2004, 12:53 PM	#15
Mopar68 The anti-hippie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Westfield, New Jersey Posts: 7,488	so how fast o you think these cars could do turns if they had full slicks? I'd imagine there would be a point were the driver would have harm come to him due to the g forces. __________________ "....give it everything you've got cause it'll throw you back more than you could ever imagine." -WP

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Old vs New: McLaren F1 vs Mercedes Mclaren SLR	Sidhu88	Comparisons	45	Jun 06, 2006 2:01 AM
Williams F1 skocks thew world in '06!!!	S7Kid	General	10	Aug 27, 2005 7:37 PM
F1 Trivia N? 2...	Umberto Cervino	Motorsport	12	Aug 27, 2005 12:54 AM
F1 Trivia N? 1	Umberto Cervino	Motorsport	23	Aug 17, 2005 2:48 PM
F1 vs new category	Leandro Paparelli	Motorsport	17	Aug 02, 2005 11:49 PM

Feb 27, 2004, 4:10 PM	#4
jimkk29 SCF Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 7,080	The pilot just crashed and the front spoiler fell off, that's all. Slicks were used in F1 in the older days. Follow Blucams answer. And this is negative camber.

Feb 28, 2004, 5:00 AM	#5
Rouin Inexperienced Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 831	yeah. racing cars love using that crazy negative camber, almost looks like the wheels are gonna fall off. i wonder how often they have to replace the suspension. edit... hmm... crazy camber like that really just wears out tires like crazy, which they replace like 5 times a race anyway huh...

Feb 28, 2004, 11:22 AM	#6
mallon Enthusiast Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,371	yup the cars where getting too fast so that was the most easily regulated way of slowing them down. It wasbrought about after Senna's crash and stuff like that. The negetive camber will give you more cornering grip, but less straight line grip. the pic is of schumacher when he simply crashed in suzuka

Feb 28, 2004, 6:07 PM	#8
jimkk29 SCF Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 7,080	Oh sorry, we call them pilots in Greek so I directly translated. ops:

Feb 29, 2004, 8:17 AM	#10
Rouin Inexperienced Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 831	so basically the grooves are there to make the contact patch less and slow them down. basically it'll just slow down their acceleration, right?