VW phaeton vs. Lexus LS430

igaboj · Feb 17, 2004, 9:51 PM

VW phaeton

4.2L V8
335HP @ 6500 RPM
317ft-lbs @ 3500 RPM
All Wheel Drive
15 MPG city
22 MPG highway
0-60 mph 6.7 secs

Lexus LS430 *assume that it has ultra luxury package, = prices equal

and with white leather, my favorite

4.3L V8
290HP @ 5600 RPM
320ft-lbs @ 3400 RPM
Rear Wheel Drive
18 MPG city
25 MPG highway
0-60 5.9 secs

LS430 standard equipment: Leather Trim in Saddle, Ash, Cashmere Ecru or Black
Wood and Leather Steering Wheel
Wood and Leather Shift Knob
Automatic Dual Zone Climate control with Smog Sensing Auto-recirculation System and Temperature and Sun Sensing Swing Air Register
14 Way Power Driver Seat with 3 Position Memory and 10 Way Front Passenger Seat
15 Function Information Display with Trip Computer
Scheduled Maintenance Indicator Light
Cruise control
Compass and Digital Clock
Power Tilt and Telescope Steering Column with Automatic Tilt-away
Power Windows with Auto-Up/Down on All Four Windows
Power rear sunshade
Lighted rear-seat vanity mirrors
Rain Sensing Windshield Wipers
Power Trunk Closer
Automatic Headlamps with High Intensity Discharge (HID) units and Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS)
First aid kit in Dedicated Box Under Driver's Seat
Lexus Premium AM /FM/cassette stereo with Six Disk In-Dash CD Changer and 7 speakers.
Four Wheel Ventilated Power Disk Brakes with ABS and Brake Assist
Vehicle Skid Control with Throttle Control, Individual Wheel Braking and Traction Control
Multi-function In-key Remote with Engine Immobilizer, Theft-deterrent System and Remote Window "down" Feature
Electronic Throttle Control System with "Snow and Power Mode"
Vehicle-Speed Sensing Progressive Power Rack and Pinion Steering
Driver and front passenger knee airbag Supplemental Restraint System (SRS)
LED brake lights
Tire pressure monitoring system

ultra luxury package includes: Mark Levinson Audio, Navigation System, Lexus Link including One Year of Service, Dynamic Laser Cruise Control, Air Suspension with AVS, Laminated Side Glass, Manual Rear Door Sunshades, Intuitive Parking Assist, Power Rear Seats with Memory and Massage Feature, Air Purifier with Optical Deodorizer, Rear Seat Refrigerator, Front & Rear Climate-Controlled Seats with Heat and Cool Knob, Rear Air Conditioner and Air Filtration System, Swiveling Rear Seat Reading Lights, Headlamp Washers, Smart Access and Power Door Closers.

and for the phaeton
Air Conditioning, 4-Zone Automatic
Alarm System
Alternator, 190-Amp.
Antenna, Integrated Glass
Armrests, F&R w/Storage
Axle Ratio, 3.65
Brakes, Power F&R Disc
Braking System, F&R Anti-Lock
Clock
Communication System, OnStar
Console
Cup Holders, (6)
Defroster, Rear Window
Door Trim Panels, Leatherette
Drivetrain, AWD 4MOTION
Engine: V8, 40V, 4.2 Liter
Entry System, Keyless Remote Control
Floor Mats, F&R
Fog Lights, Front
Fuel Filler Door Release, Remote Control
Fuel Tank, 23.8 Gal. Cap.
Garage Door Opener
Gauges, Oil Temperature & Voltmeter
Headlamp Control, Auto
Headlamps, Xenon w/Washers
Immobilizer System
Infotainment System
Interior Trim, Eucalyptus Wood
Lights: Cargo Comp't., Daytime Running, Glove Box & Reading
Locking System, Central w/Automatic Door Locks
Mirrors, Dual Illuminated Visor Vanity
Mirrors: Dual Heated Power w/Turn Signals, Automatic RH Tilt-Down & Dual Memory & nside & O/S Automatic Day/Night
Moon Roof, Power Glass
Navigation System, CD-Based
Power Outlets, (4)
Radio, AM/FM Stereo & 6-Disc Compact Disc Changer in Glove Box
Restraint System: Dual Front, Head Curtain & F&R Side Impact Air Bag
Seat Adjusters, 18-Way Power Driver's & 16-Way Power Passenger's w/Dual Memory
Seats, Leather Heated Bucket
Speed Control
Stability Control
Stabilizer Bars, F&R
Steering Wheel, Leather-Wrapped Tilt & Telescoping w/Touch Controls
Steering, Power
Sun Shades, Manual Rear Side & Power Rear
Suspension, 4-Corner Air & Auto Level
Tachometer
Tire Pressure Monitor
Tire, Conventional Spare
Tires, (4) P235/55HR17
Traction Control
Trans., 6-Spd., Automatic w/Overdrive & Tiptronic
Trip Computer
Trunk Entrapment Release
Trunk Release, Power
W/S Wipers, Rain-Sensing
Wheels, 17" Alloy
Windows, Power

BluCamSS · Feb 17, 2004, 11:01 PM

VW is on crack selling a $70,000 Jetta....I'll take the Lexus.

igaboj · Feb 17, 2004, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluCamSS

VW is on crack selling a $70,000 Jetta....I'll take the Lexus.

if it was a jetta, it would really be a nice one

dark_hunter · Feb 17, 2004, 11:26 PM

Are we comparing interiors here

ScionRacer2004 · Feb 18, 2004, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluCamSS

VW is on crack selling a $70,000 Jetta....I'll take the Lexus.

well for $70,000 your getting a pretty good feal. But i would take the lexus only cuz its convertible and its more of a sports car.

jimkk29 · Feb 18, 2004, 6:51 AM

If the Lexus is indeed a convertible, I'd take the Phaeton because I hate convertibles.
But if it isn't, I'd gladly take the Lexus, as it seems more unique and with better quality than the VW...

Evo Rob · Feb 18, 2004, 8:04 AM

See i would have to take a VW i dont really like any Lexus but i also must agree that it is a little pricey for a vw...

BluCamSS · Feb 18, 2004, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScionRacer2004

well for $70,000 your getting a pretty good feal. But i would take the lexus only cuz its convertible and its more of a sports car.

What? Its a big 4-door sedan.

igaboj · Feb 18, 2004, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark_hunter

Are we comparing interiors here

no, i just wanted you to see the level of luxury in these 2

igaboj · Feb 18, 2004, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluCamSS

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScionRacer2004

well for $70,000 your getting a pretty good feal. But i would take the lexus only cuz its convertible and its more of a sports car.

What? Its a big 4-door sedan.

yes, it's a big 4 door sedan; where did you get the idea of convertible :?

i just read somewhere that the lexus with air suspension is a little toooo cushy, and drives like a large boat, so i'd take the less pricey "euro-tuned sports suspension" that combined luxury and sportiness very well :wink:

White-Night · Feb 18, 2004, 11:52 AM

VW phaeton G60 for me

igaboj · Feb 18, 2004, 12:21 PM

is that the V12 one? (it hasn't come out, and thats off topic, so plz chooose one of the above

)

BluCamSS · Feb 18, 2004, 1:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igaboj

is that the V12 one? (it hasn't come out, and thats off topic, so plz chooose one of the above

)

Actually its gonna be a W12.

igaboj · Feb 18, 2004, 2:59 PM

yeah thats what i meant

ops:

are they gonna have 3 cyls, another 3, 3 more? or are they gonna configure a different way? :?

BluCamSS · Feb 18, 2004, 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igaboj

yeah thats what i meant

ops:

are they gonna have 3 cyls, another 3, 3 more? or are they gonna configure a different way? :?

Its basically 2 VR6's side by side, a weird set-up......but far cheaper for them then making a new V12.

Feb 17, 2004, 9:51 PM	#1
igaboj Forum Guru Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Golden State Posts: 3,599	VW phaeton vs. Lexus LS430 VW phaeton 4.2L V8 335HP @ 6500 RPM 317ft-lbs @ 3500 RPM All Wheel Drive 15 MPG city 22 MPG highway 0-60 mph 6.7 secs Lexus LS430 assume that it has ultra luxury package, = prices equal and with white leather, my favorite 4.3L V8 290HP @ 5600 RPM 320ft-lbs @ 3400 RPM Rear Wheel Drive 18 MPG city 25 MPG highway 0-60 5.9 secs LS430 standard equipment: Leather Trim in Saddle, Ash, Cashmere Ecru or Black Wood and Leather Steering Wheel Wood and Leather Shift Knob Automatic Dual Zone Climate control with Smog Sensing Auto-recirculation System and Temperature and Sun Sensing Swing Air Register 14 Way Power Driver Seat with 3 Position Memory and 10 Way Front Passenger Seat 15 Function Information Display with Trip Computer Scheduled Maintenance Indicator Light Cruise control Compass and Digital Clock Power Tilt and Telescope Steering Column with Automatic Tilt-away Power Windows with Auto-Up/Down on All Four Windows Power rear sunshade Lighted rear-seat vanity mirrors Rain Sensing Windshield Wipers Power Trunk Closer Automatic Headlamps with High Intensity Discharge (HID) units and Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS) First aid kit in Dedicated Box Under Driver's Seat Lexus Premium AM /FM/cassette stereo with Six Disk In-Dash CD Changer and 7 speakers. Four Wheel Ventilated Power Disk Brakes with ABS and Brake Assist Vehicle Skid Control with Throttle Control, Individual Wheel Braking and Traction Control Multi-function In-key Remote with Engine Immobilizer, Theft-deterrent System and Remote Window "down" Feature Electronic Throttle Control System with "Snow and Power Mode" Vehicle-Speed Sensing Progressive Power Rack and Pinion Steering Driver and front passenger knee airbag Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) LED brake lights Tire pressure monitoring system ultra luxury package includes: Mark Levinson Audio, Navigation System, Lexus Link including One Year of Service, Dynamic Laser Cruise Control, Air Suspension with AVS, Laminated Side Glass, Manual Rear Door Sunshades, Intuitive Parking Assist, Power Rear Seats with Memory and Massage Feature, Air Purifier with Optical Deodorizer, Rear Seat Refrigerator, Front & Rear Climate-Controlled Seats with Heat and Cool Knob, Rear Air Conditioner and Air Filtration System, Swiveling Rear Seat Reading Lights, Headlamp Washers, Smart Access and Power Door Closers. and for the phaeton* Air Conditioning, 4-Zone Automatic Alarm System Alternator, 190-Amp. Antenna, Integrated Glass Armrests, F&R w/Storage Axle Ratio, 3.65 Brakes, Power F&R Disc Braking System, F&R Anti-Lock Clock Communication System, OnStar Console Cup Holders, (6) Defroster, Rear Window Door Trim Panels, Leatherette Drivetrain, AWD 4MOTION Engine: V8, 40V, 4.2 Liter Entry System, Keyless Remote Control Floor Mats, F&R Fog Lights, Front Fuel Filler Door Release, Remote Control Fuel Tank, 23.8 Gal. Cap. Garage Door Opener Gauges, Oil Temperature & Voltmeter Headlamp Control, Auto Headlamps, Xenon w/Washers Immobilizer System Infotainment System Interior Trim, Eucalyptus Wood Lights: Cargo Comp't., Daytime Running, Glove Box & Reading Locking System, Central w/Automatic Door Locks Mirrors, Dual Illuminated Visor Vanity Mirrors: Dual Heated Power w/Turn Signals, Automatic RH Tilt-Down & Dual Memory & nside & O/S Automatic Day/Night Moon Roof, Power Glass Navigation System, CD-Based Power Outlets, (4) Radio, AM/FM Stereo & 6-Disc Compact Disc Changer in Glove Box Restraint System: Dual Front, Head Curtain & F&R Side Impact Air Bag Seat Adjusters, 18-Way Power Driver's & 16-Way Power Passenger's w/Dual Memory Seats, Leather Heated Bucket Speed Control Stability Control Stabilizer Bars, F&R Steering Wheel, Leather-Wrapped Tilt & Telescoping w/Touch Controls Steering, Power Sun Shades, Manual Rear Side & Power Rear Suspension, 4-Corner Air & Auto Level Tachometer Tire Pressure Monitor Tire, Conventional Spare Tires, (4) P235/55HR17 Traction Control Trans., 6-Spd., Automatic w/Overdrive & Tiptronic Trip Computer Trunk Entrapment Release Trunk Release, Power W/S Wipers, Rain-Sensing Wheels, 17" Alloy Windows, Power __________________ It's pronounced "Eye-Guh-Boe-Jay"

Feb 17, 2004, 11:26 PM	#4
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White-Night Enthusiast Join Date: May 2003 Location: At The Steering Wheel Posts: 1,035	VW phaeton G60 for me __________________ I Don't Drive Fast ... I Fly Low

Feb 18, 2004, 12:21 PM	#12
igaboj Forum Guru Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Golden State Posts: 3,599	is that the V12 one? (it hasn't come out, and thats off topic, so plz chooose one of the above ) __________________ It's pronounced "Eye-Guh-Boe-Jay"

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BluCamSS Forum Guru Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Better places! Posts: 2,277	VW is on crack selling a $70,000 Jetta....I'll take the Lexus.

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jimkk29 SCF Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 7,080	If the Lexus is indeed a convertible, I'd take the Phaeton because I hate convertibles. But if it isn't, I'd gladly take the Lexus, as it seems more unique and with better quality than the VW...

Feb 18, 2004, 2:59 PM	#14
igaboj Forum Guru Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Golden State Posts: 3,599	yeah thats what i meant ops: are they gonna have 3 cyls, another 3, 3 more? or are they gonna configure a different way? :? __________________ It's pronounced "Eye-Guh-Boe-Jay"

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