super charger or turbo charged

civic R · Aug 16, 2005, 5:48 PM

wich is better and why i think super chargers because you get no turbo lag

Driftster · Aug 16, 2005, 6:05 PM

Turbo chargers give more power with more risk...and sound cooler....and don't take power from the engine

Super chargers give power throughout the entire power band...draw power from the engine...and whine like crazy....but don't generate as much internal heat...

Gimmie a turbo....

Cooper "s" · Aug 16, 2005, 6:17 PM

compound turbo.... gives you the best of both worlds

Mopar68 · Aug 16, 2005, 6:47 PM

come on, not another "supercharger or turbocharger" topic. This has to be the third or fourth one.

Driftster · Aug 16, 2005, 6:49 PM

third or fourth one...
All the way to the bank!!1

Iroc-Z89 · Aug 16, 2005, 7:08 PM

Quote:

originally posted by thepolarfoxqx on Carpassion.com

Turbocharger (short for turbine charger), it uses exhaust gasses passed over a turbine (wind mill if you will), to spin a fan on the intake side which pressurizes air into the engine. They tend to spin very very fast (sometimes more than 100,000rpms) and get very hot (they are cooled by oil from your engine). The lag on these is from the time it takes for the exhaust to get the turbo "spooled" up to its speed.

Supercharger: These devices are a set of fans driven by a belt from the engine. They spin as fast a 30,000 rpms, and are air cooled. It is a much more simple contraption, more or less just a belt driven intake fan.

Turbochargers tend to give more power in the mid levels (say 3,000-5,000 rpms on the average car) - where the turbo is in full efficency.

Superchargers give a lot of power off the line, say up to 3,000 rpms, above there they start to lose efficency and drag a bit on the engine.

Intercoolers are devices that cool air down after it leaves the turbo or superchager, these allow the air to be more dense when it enters the engine - allowing for more power. These are used in most turbos, and high end supercharged cars.

Superchargers do have "supercharger lag" - but it is different that turbo lag. Superchargers are not always engaged, so the breif moment needed for the supercharger to engage and get up to pressure is the lag time. In some cars, the supercharger engaging can be a violent event (though very fun). Turbos on the other hand tend to be more transparrent.

Superchargers (well, except for the ones on AMG cars) tend to make a loud whirring noise like that of a floor polisher.

Hope this helps.

This should just about cover what I would say

lambo or holden · Aug 17, 2005, 3:39 AM

I'd take the Turbo charger.
Lag can be almost eliminated with modern technology.

toy · Aug 17, 2005, 8:41 PM

RoadHog333 · Aug 18, 2005, 2:31 AM

Turbochargers run off previously useless exhaust gases, whereas superchargers take some of the power from the crank to turn the belt, reducing the mechanical efficiency of the enigine (and thermal efficiency, if you really want to get into it).

Turbo for cars with less torque and Superchargers for cars with more torque to eliminate the loss of mechanical efficiency (IMO).

Driftster · Aug 18, 2005, 2:42 AM

turbo for cars with less torque..
and turbo for cars with more torque...

...

And how would a supercharger REDUCE thermal effeciency if it keeps intake temps dreasticly lower than that of a turbocharger....

A turbocharger pretty much superheats the air it's giving to the engine...
intercooler or not..how is that thermally more efficient than just drawing power from some moving parts thus technically "slowing the engine down" which means less heat generated as a whole..
THEN just pumping in outside air without it running through any HOT AS **** conduit..

trev · Aug 18, 2005, 10:51 AM

i see your name is civic r so i hope you dont ruin that brilliant n/a engine by fitting one of these

lamborghini freak · Aug 18, 2005, 11:24 AM

Superchargers there is no lag and the sound cooler and you don't have to wait for the thing to spool up

xMustangManx 70 · Aug 18, 2005, 2:12 PM

yea but you have to wait for it to build up pressure..and thats lag

Driftster · Aug 18, 2005, 3:03 PM

And supercharged civics sound like CRAP

Iroc-Z89 · Aug 18, 2005, 10:17 PM

s/c lag time for building up air pressure only occurs when it is engaged, otherwise it makes power all the time. Yeah a supercharged civic wouldn't be a good idea. Not enough torque.

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Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49,028	Turbo chargers give more power with more risk...and sound cooler....and don't take power from the engine Super chargers give power throughout the entire power band...draw power from the engine...and whine like crazy....but don't generate as much internal heat... Gimmie a turbo.... __________________ R.I.P. Randy

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Mopar68 The anti-hippie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Westfield, New Jersey Posts: 7,488	come on, not another "supercharger or turbocharger" topic. This has to be the third or fourth one. __________________ "....give it everything you've got cause it'll throw you back more than you could ever imagine." -WP

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Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49,028	third or fourth one... All the way to the bank!!1 __________________ R.I.P. Randy

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lambo or holden SCF Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Ghetto, Perth, Australia Posts: 8,862	I'd take the Turbo charger. Lag can be almost eliminated with modern technology. __________________ watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNZE2kYytzM

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Cooper "s" Coop DeVille Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Weston, Florida Posts: 18,335	compound turbo.... gives you the best of both worlds

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RoadHog333 (not so) Experienced Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ipswich, QLD Posts: 560	Turbochargers run off previously useless exhaust gases, whereas superchargers take some of the power from the crank to turn the belt, reducing the mechanical efficiency of the enigine (and thermal efficiency, if you really want to get into it). Turbo for cars with less torque and Superchargers for cars with more torque to eliminate the loss of mechanical efficiency (IMO). __________________ RoadHog333: Mech Eng. 2nd Year.

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Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49,028	turbo for cars with less torque.. and turbo for cars with more torque... ... And how would a supercharger REDUCE thermal effeciency if it keeps intake temps dreasticly lower than that of a turbocharger.... A turbocharger pretty much superheats the air it's giving to the engine... intercooler or not..how is that thermally more efficient than just drawing power from some moving parts thus technically "slowing the engine down" which means less heat generated as a whole.. THEN just pumping in outside air without it running through any HOT AS **** conduit.. __________________ R.I.P. Randy

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trev TVR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West Coast Scotland Posts: 862	i see your name is civic r so i hope you dont ruin that brilliant n/a engine by fitting one of these __________________ SCF disfunctional family; resident kilt wearing, caber tossing sailor

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lamborghini freak Experienced Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 530	Superchargers there is no lag and the sound cooler and you don't have to wait for the thing to spool up __________________ GT.500

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xMustangManx 70 Fukkin Rite Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: li Posts: 2,394	yea but you have to wait for it to build up pressure..and thats lag __________________ When I leave, come together like buttcheeks..

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Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49,028	And supercharged civics sound like CRAP __________________ R.I.P. Randy

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Iroc-Z89 Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Jamaica, NY Posts: 2,176	s/c lag time for building up air pressure only occurs when it is engaged, otherwise it makes power all the time. Yeah a supercharged civic wouldn't be a good idea. Not enough torque.

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