Lady Sues Honda cause she doesnt get enough MPGs - Page 2

breakFan · Feb 03, 2012, 8:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evo_power

She said the best she could ever get was 42. On a highway, cruising at a steady speed, it doesn't matter who's at the wheel, it's 16% off.

If a car was 16% off it's horsepower claim wouldn't you be mad? How about 16% off on interior space, or braking distance, or anything?

If Honda said it can do 50, and it can't, then they are misleading customers. She took it to small claims court because she knew she could win that way and would not win outside of small claims court because Honda's got a BIT of money to throw at issues like "we're a buncha liars" from getting out.

Completely agree. She went through a lengthy process to calculate the financial damage incurred, and arrived at US$9,687.

Wouldn't you be pissed off if you were US$9,687 down?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChamoJB

Sheet you didnt understand.

But still who the hell cares really.... really if it were $9 a gallon maybe but wtf. I bet she spent more money on lawyers and her time doing this crap.

She took it to a Small Claims Court, lawyers are not allowed (for either party). Jalopnik had a guy come in and write a piece about the case for them, its pretty interesting: http://jalopnik.com/5881497/how-you-...-court-and-win. The whole thing probably only cost her a few hundred bucks.

Ferrari308 · Feb 03, 2012, 12:12 PM

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....n=sbs&id=22643

1) The EPA's estimates are 40 and 45 (city/highway respectively), with an average of 42. This woman claims her max was 42MPG. That's the combined average. She has no reason to complain.

2) American courts are retarded.

Evo_power · Feb 03, 2012, 1:05 PM

Hey, ****tards! California =/= America.

That's like saying all of America is the South.

You all seem to forget that our country is nearly the size of Europe.

The California court system sucks ass. Gaurenteed that **** wouldn't pass in damn near every other state here.

Driftster · Feb 03, 2012, 1:10 PM

"omg america sucks thank god our 50 square mile hovel has a superior court system and doesn't allow firearms..Huzzah!!!!"

I love how stupid foreigners are...

ANYWHO
She bought a car that claimed 42mpg and she complained, fair..dumb broad..

But the "software update" dropped the mileage to 30mpg...

Getting 30mpg out of a hybrid is a bit well..unreasonable....To argue against that is pretty dumb...she deserved to have her car fixed /replaced with one that atleast does the 42 again.

Does she deserve national press etc all this and a bunch of idiotic backwater yokles from the Shire talking about "omg quite right she needs more sterlings for her troubles good sir"..Nope...

But she should get more than 30mpg.

mclaren_mercedes_f1 · Feb 03, 2012, 2:25 PM

Right....

http://www.minyanville.com/businessm...0852?page=full

=================

Anywho, Ty, couldn't it be that the woman is flooring the car a lot of the time. Consuming gas like there's no tomorrow? I mean... driving habits can EASILY lose the 12 mpg difference over a period of time.

Besides, the numbers on fuel economy is based on a set of predetermined routes that an "average joe" would be in. But no one in the real world does exactly what the test says it does. IMO, these numbers are great for comparing between other cars on fuel economy but it should not be a benchmark in which your car IS GOING to get.

ElctrcTelsa · Feb 03, 2012, 2:45 PM

There is soooo many things that could effect mpgs in a six year old car.

- Maintenance
- How you drive
- Repairs
etc etc etc

@ Breakfan -

Heres how small claims court in US works -

- No lawyers.
- Max amount to be awarded is 10,000.

So she (being a retired lawyer) against a manager from the local Honda dealership, isn't exactly fair. So she got nearly the max available.

Honda is pursuing action in higher courts with their own lawyers.

----

I highly doubt that she is getting 30mpgs in a 2006 civic without driving like a total lunatic. There are people with highly modified 2006 civics on another forum im a part of that still get mid 30's without it even being the Hybrid model.

Driftster · Feb 03, 2012, 2:49 PM

well IF honda advertized 50....EPA got a COMBINED 42..

and she herself got a COMBINED 30....

And she is suing over "fuel economy" i'm betting she isn't driving the car like she stole it 24/7 for one, as a lawsuit isn't something you go to the local grocery store to do..she is probably concerned with fuel economy to begin with....

And once again she got a "avg" of 30..Avg meaning combined..This means she's probably getting...25mph city..and maybe 35 highway (guestimation)

That's pretty terrible for a hybrid, and we can ask coop if it's "simple or not" to get 12-15mpg LESS than avg in his car

and yes the EPA is a "random set of parameters" which is why SOME cars get horrible EPA's compared to what they should and others get better than expected....AS of the past...5 years american car companies have been producing automatic gearboxes that cater to EPA tests....while the rest of the world doesn't, which is why the CR-Z gets a crappy EPA rating but 90% of owners who have brought forth their mileage are well into the 40's without effort...

is this lawsuit stupid? sure...

but is she entitled to something IF these claims are true? yes..

The validity of her claim isn't something we can really discuss here as we don't know her, her path to work or her driving habits...

In this instance the best we can do is give her the benefit of the doubt that she isn't pulling random fuel economy figures from her butt and faith that the judge presiding at the LEAST asked for some sort of confirmation about fuel economy (ie gas receipt intervals and dates)

IF those however are congruent with the claims then yes i feel she deserved some compensation for the crap cars fuel economy and the spent $$$ already..

IE.. Down-payment (which is lost)..Fuel put in(lost) aint other maintaining fee's accumulated...And $ for the hassle.

ElctrcTelsa · Feb 03, 2012, 3:03 PM

I have yet been able to find anything that claims the 2006 Honda civic hybrid was claimed to get 50mpgs.

Heck even the 2012 brand spankin new Honda Civic Hybrid with IMA and other gizmos is only an advertised 44.

Also, I read, in small claims court - Evidence is not mandatory or looked upon as quite as significant as in real court.

sabaka_g · Feb 04, 2012, 4:41 PM

Simply: take her car. Give it to scientist. And let them drive the car for some, lets say 300 miles. And collect data about fuel consumption. Problem solved. You will have the answer who was right. Or least wrong.

Evo_power · Feb 04, 2012, 5:51 PM

A scientist?

In mother russia, do they actually have a building that just has random frazzle haired men with glasses and white coats just walkin about waiting to be called upon?

This is small claims court dude, not the Supreme Court.

If she is seriously getting 30 miles to the gallon, then something is wrong with her car, and it needs to be fixed.

VTEC_Dreams · Feb 04, 2012, 6:31 PM

Off with her legs!

texlonghorn · Feb 04, 2012, 6:38 PM

That would solve her fuel mileage issues...

VTEC_Dreams · Feb 04, 2012, 6:44 PM

Yeah it would!

AESG · Feb 05, 2012, 7:50 PM

cant agree more with elctrctelsa. +-10mpg over or less than the sticker says isnt a big deal. probably driving habits or simply the car is getting old. i got a 2005 volvo s80 t5. sticker says 19mpg combined, 16 city, 24 highway. my numbers? about 12 city, and 32 highway (i have averaged 42 on a 130 mile trip). and what is my average since 46k miles ago? 13.5mpg. do i complain? no. and yet those are all good numbers because i am, as a fuel saver, a lead foot when i want to.

Feb 03, 2012, 12:12 PM	#17
Ferrari308 Needs an 850R in his life Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: hmm........... Posts: 2,673	http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....n=sbs&id=22643 1) The EPA's estimates are 40 and 45 (city/highway respectively), with an average of 42. This woman claims her max was 42MPG. That's the combined average. She has no reason to complain. 2) American courts are retarded. __________________ In short, you are all morons. - Rav RIP Randy

Feb 03, 2012, 1:05 PM	#18
Evo_power Johnny Suave Sex Machine Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oregon Awesomeness: Infinite Posts: 17,454	Hey, **tards! California =/= America. That's like saying all of America is the South. You all seem to forget that our country is nearly the size of Europe. The California court system sucks ass. Gaurenteed that ** wouldn't pass in damn near every other state here. __________________ "Texas is about as honest as religion." - Dorito

Feb 03, 2012, 1:10 PM	#19
Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 42,590	"omg america sucks thank god our 50 square mile hovel has a superior court system and doesn't allow firearms..Huzzah!!!!" I love how stupid foreigners are... ANYWHO She bought a car that claimed 42mpg and she complained, fair..dumb broad.. But the "software update" dropped the mileage to 30mpg... Getting 30mpg out of a hybrid is a bit well..unreasonable....To argue against that is pretty dumb...she deserved to have her car fixed /replaced with one that atleast does the 42 again. Does she deserve national press etc all this and a bunch of idiotic backwater yokles from the Shire talking about "omg quite right she needs more sterlings for her troubles good sir"..Nope... But she should get more than 30mpg. __________________ M Power is the Solution To the Energy Crisis - i RIP Randy

Feb 03, 2012, 2:25 PM	#20
mclaren_mercedes_f1 VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,727	Right.... http://www.minyanville.com/businessm...0852?page=full ================= Anywho, Ty, couldn't it be that the woman is flooring the car a lot of the time. Consuming gas like there's no tomorrow? I mean... driving habits can EASILY lose the 12 mpg difference over a period of time. Besides, the numbers on fuel economy is based on a set of predetermined routes that an "average joe" would be in. But no one in the real world does exactly what the test says it does. IMO, these numbers are great for comparing between other cars on fuel economy but it should not be a benchmark in which your car IS GOING to get. __________________ 4) Your opinion is wrong. - Lancer McPower

Feb 03, 2012, 2:45 PM	#21
ElctrcTelsa T E S L A Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: D.C. Posts: 4,423	There is soooo many things that could effect mpgs in a six year old car. - Maintenance - How you drive - Repairs etc etc etc @ Breakfan - Heres how small claims court in US works - - No lawyers. - Max amount to be awarded is 10,000. So she (being a retired lawyer) against a manager from the local Honda dealership, isn't exactly fair. So she got nearly the max available. Honda is pursuing action in higher courts with their own lawyers. ---- I highly doubt that she is getting 30mpgs in a 2006 civic without driving like a total lunatic. There are people with highly modified 2006 civics on another forum im a part of that still get mid 30's without it even being the Hybrid model. __________________ Damn hybrid owners suck. ~ Coop Irony, meet Cooper. ~ VTEC

Feb 03, 2012, 2:49 PM	#22
Driftster Bimmer DBAG Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 42,590	well IF honda advertized 50....EPA got a COMBINED 42.. and she herself got a COMBINED 30.... And she is suing over "fuel economy" i'm betting she isn't driving the car like she stole it 24/7 for one, as a lawsuit isn't something you go to the local grocery store to do..she is probably concerned with fuel economy to begin with.... And once again she got a "avg" of 30..Avg meaning combined..This means she's probably getting...25mph city..and maybe 35 highway (guestimation) That's pretty terrible for a hybrid, and we can ask coop if it's "simple or not" to get 12-15mpg LESS than avg in his car and yes the EPA is a "random set of parameters" which is why SOME cars get horrible EPA's compared to what they should and others get better than expected....AS of the past...5 years american car companies have been producing automatic gearboxes that cater to EPA tests....while the rest of the world doesn't, which is why the CR-Z gets a crappy EPA rating but 90% of owners who have brought forth their mileage are well into the 40's without effort... is this lawsuit stupid? sure... but is she entitled to something IF these claims are true? yes.. The validity of her claim isn't something we can really discuss here as we don't know her, her path to work or her driving habits... In this instance the best we can do is give her the benefit of the doubt that she isn't pulling random fuel economy figures from her butt and faith that the judge presiding at the LEAST asked for some sort of confirmation about fuel economy (ie gas receipt intervals and dates) IF those however are congruent with the claims then yes i feel she deserved some compensation for the crap cars fuel economy and the spent $$$ already.. IE.. Down-payment (which is lost)..Fuel put in(lost) aint other maintaining fee's accumulated...And $ for the hassle. __________________ M Power is the Solution To the Energy Crisis - i RIP Randy

Feb 03, 2012, 3:03 PM	#23
ElctrcTelsa T E S L A Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: D.C. Posts: 4,423	I have yet been able to find anything that claims the 2006 Honda civic hybrid was claimed to get 50mpgs. Heck even the 2012 brand spankin new Honda Civic Hybrid with IMA and other gizmos is only an advertised 44. Also, I read, in small claims court - Evidence is not mandatory or looked upon as quite as significant as in real court. __________________ Damn hybrid owners suck. ~ Coop Irony, meet Cooper. ~ VTEC

Feb 04, 2012, 4:41 PM	#24
sabaka_g Eat My Shorts ;) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania Posts: 3,571	Simply: take her car. Give it to scientist. And let them drive the car for some, lets say 300 miles. And collect data about fuel consumption. Problem solved. You will have the answer who was right. Or least wrong. __________________ 98 Toyota Corolla 1.3

Feb 04, 2012, 5:51 PM	#25
Evo_power Johnny Suave Sex Machine Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oregon Awesomeness: Infinite Posts: 17,454	A scientist? In mother russia, do they actually have a building that just has random frazzle haired men with glasses and white coats just walkin about waiting to be called upon? This is small claims court dude, not the Supreme Court. If she is seriously getting 30 miles to the gallon, then something is wrong with her car, and it needs to be fixed. __________________ "Texas is about as honest as religion." - Dorito

Feb 04, 2012, 6:31 PM	#26
VTEC_Dreams Slow car enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 11,441	Off with her legs! __________________ Anyhow...

Feb 04, 2012, 6:38 PM	#27
texlonghorn likes Dorito Power Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Virginia Posts: 5,533	That would solve her fuel mileage issues... __________________ That was Coop you namby pamby muppet namblin' aussie stinkfinger. -VTEC

Feb 04, 2012, 6:44 PM	#28
VTEC_Dreams Slow car enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 11,441	Yeah it would! __________________ Anyhow...

Feb 05, 2012, 7:50 PM	#29
AESG Forum Guru Join Date: May 2008 Location: Honduras, Central America Posts: 2,074	cant agree more with elctrctelsa. +-10mpg over or less than the sticker says isnt a big deal. probably driving habits or simply the car is getting old. i got a 2005 volvo s80 t5. sticker says 19mpg combined, 16 city, 24 highway. my numbers? about 12 city, and 32 highway (i have averaged 42 on a 130 mile trip). and what is my average since 46k miles ago? 13.5mpg. do i complain? no. and yet those are all good numbers because i am, as a fuel saver, a lead foot when i want to.

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