alright, a few suggestions for you guys :)

1) Signatures-
How about extending signatures? letting us put little 400 x 100 sigs in them (or whatever size they are)...? would be cooler than the 100 character limit!

2) More forums-
this might get a little sketchy because its a "Sports Car Forum", but what do you say to more forums (Like Political Discussion, Other Sports (NFL, NBA, MLB; Signature Forums, things like that)

3) More mods-
I dont know how many of these guys you got, but i only ever see Ghalos and Rollin... i saw another guy once, but I forgot his name. (not saying you guys aren't doing a good job, just suggesting a few more to make sure everything stays crystal clear... ive noticed a few morons on here making stupid posts that dont get cleaned up for hours)

4) Alright, I ran out at 3 to be completely honest with you. you guys have done a good job on the forum, keep up the good work...just suggesting some things that might help kick it off a bit more :). Plus, i wish i could have a bigger siggy :).

Thx for reading! (PS in no way do i want to be a mod, if you get that out of #3. its just a suggestion)

1) We've already tried that.. they're always too big.. just takes longer to scroll through posts and gets confusing.. more of a burden than a benefit.

2) Sure.. thats what the "Misc" section is for.

3) Talk to Rollin about that.. Igaboj is a mod.. as is Mopar, and Subby/Jim are around sometimes. I used to be a mod but I slipped up once.. so.. yeah. Apparently Mopar might be on the outs too. I don't know.. don't really care. Moderation isn't my business anymore.

Igaboj is around somewhat.
Mopar is around alot. He's not goint anywhere.
12IP is...gone.
Subarukid is...gone.
Jimkk is...gone.

12ip is here while most of us are sleep (austrialian time)
havent seen jim in awhile

jim hasnt posted for a few weeks.

They do need more mods. Pretty much people who are on alot. I actually told Rollin that if he needed somebody I would do it.. But since Mopar is losing it for a we dont care and deleting, I highly doubt I will ever have a job.. Natural hot head.

I don't think a sports section would work to well. Make a sticky in the Pointless threads forum for that.

Extending the character limit would be nice like maybe 200 characters or something. still not all to long. The pics can be a pain.

like someone mentioned before we should have mods on every time zone so at 4 am there will be a mod and then at 7 am there will be another etc to control the forum's in the early hours.....

^
I think Rollin is already doing that.
Thats why their arn't many mods in the same time zone.
12in cause he is Aussie. I think there is a Mod on each coast of the USA and I think theres one in Europe.
I like the sig idea.

A couple days ago Rollin and I talked about maybe adding another moderator to the forum leaders list, and possibly taking some away.

Let me clear some things up about that "taking some away".

First off, we, both Rollin and I know all the mods are busy, Mopar for one is a student, works, and is a hardcore drummer, so he's really busy. Not to mention his girlfriend...who I have YET to meet...
Jimkk is about my age, I think he's a couple months my minor, but he's an engineering major in a university in Greece, so god KNOWS he is busy as hell.
Igaboj, he's actually been on a bit more lately.
12inch, he's on, sometime's he's invisible, yes, that means I can now with my new add-ons can see who is and who isn't...
Subarukid, the guy's working at a Lotus/ Subaru dealership 40 hours a week and is online just as much as any of us, in the evening that is.

Having said that, being more active is all that matters, Mopar's fine, Igaboj is fine, and so is 12inch. If they see something like a spam thread they'll delete it asap, and if they seem someone trolling, they'll get on it as quickly as they can.

Subarukid and Jim are both really busy, but like has been mentioned they're both very busy with genuinely real-life important things.
I am as well, but because of their time-zone's, and my sleeping habits, I'm on pretty much while they're asleep. When I hit the hay, 12inch tends to be on and then Igaboj as well, and so on.

But, here's a major thing that I think contributes to the seeming "lack" of leadership.
I was talking to Mopar earlier tonight about some of this stuff, me being somewhat in charge, and stuff about how I want things done, what I'd like to see...And I mentioned Mikespeed to him. He hadn't heard of him.

That's fine, he's been a member for a week, posted in about three threads, but basically made it seem like he knew all there was about drifting. And if anyone said anything even remotely incorrect, they were a "15 year old bench racer".
Go ahead, disagree with me, or someone else, it's called arguing, that's fine. It's when constant badgering of members takes place and nothing is being done about it is when it becomes a problem.

So he's been warned.

(Not mopar, mike)

But it made me realize what the issue was, I don't often check certain forums, the motorsports one for example, I haven't look in more than twice a week. Why? I love racing, but I don't have the ability to watch it, or the burning passion to follow it on the web via lame html articles...
Same goes for the other mods, we all have our own personal tastes.

I'm pushing for a "grace" period almost, to see over this winter break when igaboj, myself, mopar, and jim all have breaks, and obviously 12inch as well. If things don't either clear up or there is some sort of clear "who's in charge", then things will be dealt with. And if it means a change of leadership in the moderator area, it'll happen.



On a more personal note, I've been told by a couple people that I'm "biased" or that I'll be vague to the point of playing both sides of an argument.

Machiavelli wrote, "It is better to rule with fear than to rule with love", because ruling with fear means you always know that if you are harsher, people will always bow down to you. Whereas, people's minds change hourly, and thus, they can turn against you.

First off, that sh*t doesn't work online when a person can be banned, get a new IP and come back on twenty minutes later. So the harsher a person is, the more of a problem they create in the long run.

Second, that's not me, maybe it's the way my parents brought me up, maybe it's that I learned from past experiences, fighting doesn't solve squat, or maybe it's just from my schooling in political science. The way you get everyone to follow you is to play both sides. The best I can say is, you can either deal with it and see over time I'll be as fair as i can be, or you can whine and moan and I'll eventually just ban you out of spite. =)


^I'm an awesome writer.

You did write a hell of a lot stuff then. Your right mods cant be on all the time because you guys like the rest of us have your own lives to get on with. Perhaps you should add a few more mods to the forum leaders list, the karter74, 75, 76, 77 episodes are a good reason as to why this forum requires a few more mods.

In regards to the mods this forum has now I think they do a great job in the short time each day, that they devote to moderating this forum and I for one appreciate the job they do giving up their time to help keep SCF a user friendly place.

If you do feel the need to get some more moderators you should choose someone who has been with the forum for a while, generally acts mature, posts intelligent well structured posts and is easy to get along with, someone who generally knows what they are talking about and someone who is often online.

^I am not such a good writer

1) Signatures-
How about extending signatures? letting us put little 400 x 100 sigs in them (or whatever size they are)...? would be cooler than the 100 character limit!

Do you really want to wait longer for the page to load? I sure don't. Sure, pictures in signatures are aethestically pleasing, but it takes up bandwith (I'm guessing here, folks) and it generally takes longer to load up a page.

2) More forums-
this might get a little sketchy because its a "Sports Car Forum", but what do you say to more forums (Like Political Discussion, Other Sports (NFL, NBA, MLB; Signature Forums, things like that)

Seems a bit pointless - I get the feeling that these forums will not get much activity, if at all. If you feel the need to start up those kinda threads, just make 'em in the Misc. Section.

3) More mods-
I dont know how many of these guys you got, but i only ever see Ghalos and Rollin... i saw another guy once, but I forgot his name. (not saying you guys aren't doing a good job, just suggesting a few more to make sure everything stays crystal clear... ive noticed a few morons on here making stupid posts that dont get cleaned up for hours)

Mmm...again, it seems a bit pointless. We have enough as it is.

BUT.

I think what is critical is having Moderators from all around the globe - meaning they'll be up in different time zones, so the forums are looked over by at least one moderator 24/7.

4) Alright, I ran out at 3 to be completely honest with you. you guys have done a good job on the forum, keep up the good work...just suggesting some things that might help kick it off a bit more :). Plus, i wish i could have a bigger siggy :).

That's the way mate.

Machiavelli wrote, "It is better to rule with fear than to rule with love", because ruling with fear means you always know that if you are harsher, people will always bow down to you. Whereas, people's minds change hourly, and thus, they can turn against you
The Prince----The tyrant's handbook..hahaaha nice quote source.

I've got tons of 'em from books.

As for the rest of the stuff, sigs, pictures in sigs tend to get out of control. Plus they take up alot of bandwidth and add some visual appeal, but not much, to the forums.
By, out of control, I mean like my Halo clan's site, the members have about 5 sigs...it's absurd.

As for the rest of the stuff...screw this, I'm pissed off, because while I was writing that big thing before, my roof started to leak, RIGHT ONTO MY DAMN BED...I had to sleep on the couch, and now my room smells terrible...THANK YOU CRAPPY APARTMENT COMPANIES OF ALBANY, NEW YORK! ugh...

Anyways, the point is that I just wanna make SCF more user friendly.

As for the rest of the stuff...screw this, I'm pissed off, because while I was writing that big thing before, my roof started to leak, RIGHT ONTO MY DAMN BED...I had to sleep on the couch, and now my room smells terrible...THANK YOU CRAPPY APARTMENT COMPANIES OF ALBANY, NEW YORK! ugh...

That's the perfect excuse to share a bed with one of your hot roommates! (which you still have yet to post a picture of...)

Oh. Right. You have a girlfriend. Bummer.

Agreed on the photos. You must get around to showing us these sweeties (or are they just cum dumpsters?)

Well, all I have to say is that I don't think we really need more mods per say. When you honestly sit down and give it some thought, the amount of spamming and such is really not that much. If there is trouble, a mod is likely to take care of it in a matter of about an hour. Most of the time it's even sooner.

And Sean, you can meet Sam next time you're down here.

Well, I have nothing new to add - I agree with what Attaus and Ghalos said.

how bout some sort of moron filter?

About the pics would it work to have a choice to turn it on or off like you have a choice of what colour SCF is.
That way people who don't mind waiting a little bit could have them and people how don't want them can get rid of them.

About the pics would it work to have a choice to turn it on or off like you have a choice of what colour SCF is.
You can turn signatures on/off in your User CP.

User CP > Edit Options > Thread Display Options > Visible Post Elements

That way people who don't mind waiting a little bit could have them and people how don't want them can get rid of them.
What about those who just don't like *distracting* signatures? Also, you need to take into account that a lot of members wouldn't know how to turn signatures off.

Either way, I would like everyone to focus their energy into posts, not signatures.

i agree on the more forum choices, dont think it would get that much use (i would probably be posting to myself, lol)

i can see what you mean on the sigs, but i still wouldnt mind having them :). yea, might get out of hand though. unless you set like a rule of 1 pic/sig?

and as for the mods-
you guys do a good job for such a small group :). i just see these morons (coughkartercough) coming in with stupid posts saying this forum is gay and stuff like that, and it wont get cleaned up for a while.

Sorry guys, it's true that I haven't been much online lately, but there are 2 serious reasons:

1. Quite busy with some real-life things, most important of them being my university work, and some other personal things. I try to visit SCF at least twice a week.
2. Slow internet connection. When I get DSL or something, i'll be much more time online.

As for the additional moderators needed, we forum leaders are discussing this right now and we'll let you know.

Kudos to all on this thread. I like SCF the way it is. I deserved my reprimand for snarky, excessive sarcasm (I edited immediately).

I came to SCF a year ago when a local music (my other love) magazine board became grossly infested with political commentary (and LOTS of pictures!) posted by a handfull of people with way more 'puter time (probably their employer's) than I have available. I have found a wide spectrum of car fans here.

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This is winter downtime (except for some Rally); a lull for motorsports fans. No need for big changes right now.

I would like a clarification as to what defines an "old" thread. 1 month? 60 days? I recently posted a "guess the car" picture and eventually got "there was already a thread like this" flack.

I have seen earlier "guess the car" threads... "car X has Y HP/Z torque and goes omega top end, according to magazine W; guess the car". Yawn sometimes preceeded flatulence.

Kudos to all on this thread. I like SCF the way it is. I deserved my reprimand for snarky, excessive sarcasm (I edited immediately).

I came to SCF a year ago when a local music (my other love) magazine board became grossly infested with political commentary (and LOTS of pictures!) posted by a handfull of people with way more 'puter time (probably their employer's) than I have available. I have found a wide spectrum of car fans here.

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This is winter downtime (except for some Rally); a lull for motorsports fans. No need for big changes right now.

I would like a clarification as to what defines an "old" thread. 1 month? 60 days? I recently posted a "guess the car" picture and eventually got "there was already a thread like this" flack.

I have seen earlier "guess the car" threads... "car X has Y HP/Z torque and goes omega top end, according to magazine W; guess the car". Yawn sometimes preceeded flatulence.

That's one thing I have mixed feelings about.

Say a guy comes on and wants to talk about the Cayman.
He goes and posts in a several month old thread. He gets flammed, and the thread gets closed.
He then makes a new thread about the Cayman. He gets flammed (this is a repost!!1111), and the thread gets closed.
so, there can be no talking about the Cayman?

But, to the older members who have seen most of the threads, it can be annoying to have old topics pop up again.

And for signatures, can you do it like avatars? How it doesn't let you upload it unless it's say, 400x100 and less than 10kb?
And if we're worried about bandwidth, Why the f*ck do we have a SCF Gallery.
A signature takes 10kb, yet, we are granted 1GB space on the gallery. (Yes, the signature is viewed more, but the Gallery is bigger files)

I've been thinking about that, and here's the thing about bringing up old threads.

If you type out some sort of clearly thought out and purposeful argument or feeling towards a car or situation in that thread. Unless it's terribly old, like, 9-12 months, I personally won't care too much.

Unless you do: http://www.sportscarforums.com/f12/indy-vs-f1-3850-2.html

And you, for example...have already been warned on god-knows-how-many-occasions.

Why haven't I banned BAI yet? *Scratches head*...

Anyway, so long as you post something useful, or, Top Secret did this awhile ago. He dug for an ollllld thread, made a 500 word new post to it, and said right at the beginning, "Sorry for bringing this thing up again".

I would like a clarification as to what defines an "old" thread. 1 month? 60 days? I recently posted a "guess the car" picture and eventually got "there was already a thread like this" flack.
Like Ghalos said, if you post something new and intelligent into a thread, then it doesn't matter much if the thread is old.

And for signatures, can you do it like avatars? How it doesn't let you upload it unless it's say, 400x100 and less than 10kb?
No, this can't be done. Images need to be uploaded on the server for the "size checker" to work.

And if we're worried about bandwidth, Why the f*ck do we have a SCF Gallery.
A signature takes 10kb, yet, we are granted 1GB space on the gallery. (Yes, the signature is viewed more, but the Gallery is bigger files)
This is not about the bandwidth at all.

Images, especially when they are animated, are annoying and distracting. The same goes for bold, colorful fonts. We don't want threads to look like Christmas trees (we'll see enough of that this month :) ).

Some signatures can be cool, but after you've seen them for the 100th time, they are not cool anymore; they're annoying.

I agree about the signatures,

If everybody would put a image as a signature, the forum wouldn't look as clean as it does now

It's clear and easy to read
Image signatures only make a board look more disorderly

This is not about the bandwidth at all.

oh ok, that was just in response to Ghalos' "Plus they take up alot of bandwidth and add some visual appeal, but not much, to the forums."


Images, especially when they are animated, are annoying and distracting. The same goes for bold, colorful fonts. We don't want threads to look like Christmas trees (we'll see enough of that this month :) ).

Some signatures can be cool, but after you've seen them for the 100th time, they are not cool anymore; they're annoying.
If people find them annoying, then they can turn them off in their User CP.

The exact same can be said for avatars. Should we disable those?
I've seen many seizurific Gif avatars.

meaning my one i spose...i don't think it's that bad 8-)

The exact same can be said for avatars. Should we disable those?
I've seen many seizurific Gif avatars.
Avatars are on the left side of the posts, we can control their height, width and size, and even if they can be animated or not. We check them regularly.

If you find an inappropriate avatar, report it to Ghalos or me.

Avatars are on the left side of the posts, we can control their height, width and size, and even if they can be animated or not. We check them regularly.

If you find an inappropriate avatar, report it to Ghalos or me.

you dont think its possible to put say... 400x100 size siggys and be able to turn it off at will?

i know everyone is saying it, but i dont see all that much of a problem with it...

We did that awhile ago actually...they looked awful. Changing every few days, it was like a social contest. Trust me, it keeps the boards looking clean.

We did that awhile ago actually...they looked awful. Changing every few days, it was like a social contest. Trust me, it keeps the boards looking clean.

well, the boards do look clean...

but in the same breath, dont they look bland?

I thought this forum was here for people to socialize and share info on sports cars, not a web site to display art!

Ya, but having image sig would show one's personality more, bringing us closer together. < That sounded weird.

I wouldn't care either way though. I do that with my avs and sigs already.

www.shadowclangames.com

That's my Halo-related clan...check the forums for what I mean when I say, "Sigs make everything look messy..."

You gotta log in or register to see the forums...aslo, I hope I'm not playing video games when i'm your age.

Yeah, I've been inactive since June. It's actually worth it, I've got an xbox, xbox live, and despite having not been on it in like, 3 months. I still take a break from writing papers and reading other papers to shoot up some Covenant.

I'm not in favor of sigs, but could we increase the size (byte wise) of avatars? This board seriously has the smallest byte allowence of any board I've ever been on.

I'm not in favor of sigs, but could we increase the size (byte wise) of avatars?
No, because this would mean that the page would take longer to download. 10kb are more than enough for a normal 110x110 picture.

KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid. :)

Because if you don't kiss...you get FUBAR...

www.shadowclangames.com (http://www.shadowclangames.com)

That's my Halo-related clan...check the forums for what I mean when I say, "Sigs make everything look messy..."

Yeah, seriously

I'm on a soccer forum

The sigs where out of control there

You could hardly read any posts, Sometimes they put like 5 gigantic pictures with Gigantic colored text, and sometimes even racist stuff

They accepted it for a long time, but now they banned a couple of members with offensive sigs and the situation is more under control now

This is also the reason why i like SCF so much and why I tend to stay on this forum

Because it's so clean and well organized, other car forums aren't like this,

Everything is perfect here when it comes to layout

Because if you don't kiss...you get FUBAR...
Exactly. :)


Aleksander, thanks for the positive feedback.

I agree with Rollin and Ghalos, this forum looks clean a nice, we already have the theme options of colors for yourself, mines red o.0

Cant we just leave the forum the way it is and talk about cars and peanut butter & jelly!

Would you guys honestly want my posts to look like this?.....

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3804/desktopsigs5zu.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopsigs5zu.jpg)

Recent Danzig theme by me...hehe...

Would you guys honestly want my posts to look like this?.....

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3804/desktopsigs5zu.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopsigs5zu.jpg)

Recent Danzig theme by me...hehe...

thats actually kinda what im talking about...

siggys like that, like set a limit of 1 pic per sig or something..

(and yea, yall did do a good job on the forum)

Either way, I would like everyone to focus their energy into posts, not signatures.

02 Stang - - - ^

I would agree.. it would just become a sig contest.. and it would get really old. Not to mention people constantly asking how to get them up, how to take them down, how to turn them off, how to make one, etc. No, I don't think it would work.

02 Stang - - - ^

I would agree.. it would just become a sig contest.. and it would get really old. Not to mention people constantly asking how to get them up, how to take them down, how to turn them off, how to make one, etc. No, I don't think it would work.

well, i can agree with that i suppose...

but 100 character limit? i know text can get out of hand, but i could barely put any of my song in there :)

hows like 200 or soemthing? would take up like 2 lines right?

this right here is what i mean, it was posted by a SCF member today...

http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/3334/newsigbyme9yh.jpg

i think it looks good... (for a first try :) )

The answers no.

Personally, crap like that makes these forums really gaudy and cheesy. It's just impersonal. People don't feel welcome because they feel they have to earn the right to have something like that. It's not right.

No offense of course.

Would you guys honestly want my posts to look like this?.....

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3804/desktopsigs5zu.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopsigs5zu.jpg)

Recent Danzig theme by me...hehe...
What a ****ing sweet website!

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9242/untitled16ia.jpg
^ That's my sig.

My sig on www.boostcruising.com

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/7104/hisignaturecharger29li.gif

It got all crappy when i had to crop it a bit.

Would you guys honestly want my posts to look like this?.....

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3804/desktopsigs5zu.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopsigs5zu.jpg)

Recent Danzig theme by me...hehe...

I love your name and your apparent location!

See, no offense Kris, site's like that, with sigs and the such, it just makes it look like annnny other site. Cheesy, and gaudy, as Mopar put it would be my take on it.

Even on my Halo clan site, I've only got three, one is my sig, those size, smaller actually. And two small medals, about a third the size of my avatar, "3 Months of Active Service", and "Death Squad", used to have a larger one that said, "7th Echelon" <----I was part of the "elite" group of SC that basically made clan matches and "pwn3d" the competition. =)

Then my Laptop came along and hated Halo PC's sound, and then my apartment came along and said, "Sure, free cable modem, but uh, it's priated, and it's slow...so no xbox live..." =(

I still can beat Maserati Man though. =)

I love your name and your apparent location!
You a fan of Glenn Danzig's work?

I made these two uncreative signaures. And i was actually trying to use 'em in here.
PRAWNED!:o

A great waste of time though. I think i used about an hour on each.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5113/32me.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2017/93xe.jpg

Ghetto sig:

http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/7881/signature7kj.jpg

5 second job.

That's crap.

It's an Audi, not Top Secret, use your real name.

He used five minutes on that. I used two hours on mine. LOL - And his one is much better.:o

Sorry Tommy boy, but I just downloaded paint.NET

Got Seok Ho to explain the basics to me, and I come up with this haggard ass project in only about 15 minutes.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5706/rx7sig2vw.jpg

I played around with a lot of stuff, didn't keep much of it though.


Now this is my new Heavy Industries sig.

http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/7151/danzigskullbeltbucklesignature.jpg

seems like alot of people want it... :)

i see we got a new mod? :)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5706/rx7sig2vw.jpg


Dear god! Look at that turbo! Do chickens fly into your hood that often?

I think this thread should be locked away, off topic and not needed.

I think this thread should be locked away, off topic and not needed.

its completely on topic... it says you can post "suggestions" in the forum description... whats off topic about it?

alright, a few suggestions for you guys :)

1) Signatures-
How about extending signatures? letting us put little 400 x 100 sigs in them (or whatever size they are)...? would be cooler than the 100 character limit!

2) More forums-
this might get a little sketchy because its a "Sports Car Forum", but what do you say to more forums (Like Political Discussion, Other Sports (NFL, NBA, MLB; Signature Forums, things like that)

3) More mods-
I dont know how many of these guys you got, but i only ever see Ghalos and Rollin... i saw another guy once, but I forgot his name. (not saying you guys aren't doing a good job, just suggesting a few more to make sure everything stays crystal clear... ive noticed a few morons on here making stupid posts that dont get cleaned up for hours)

4) Alright, I ran out at 3 to be completely honest with you. you guys have done a good job on the forum, keep up the good work...just suggesting some things that might help kick it off a bit more :). Plus, i wish i could have a bigger siggy :).

Thx for reading! (PS in no way do i want to be a mod, if you get that out of #3. its just a suggestion)
Because all of these suggestions were answered and you were just trying to convince them and it wasnt working so yeah..

Because all of these suggestions were answered and you were just trying to convince them and it wasnt working so yeah..

so trying to convince people is wrong now...?

plus, im not really "trying to convince people" as much as im reading and responding to other peoples posts (with siggys)

Dear god! Look at that turbo! Do chickens fly into your hood that often?
It's one hungry engine, that blender feeds straight into the stomach of the engine. Apple juice - No problem, just prepare then down the shoot. You want carrot juice I hear? Straight down...why does this sound like an infomercial, about a huge turbo...that supposedly blends...and stuff.

BTW, no need to close this thread. If it really serves no purpose it'll just wither away and be forgotten. You don't need to have every thread closed once it's old and through.

Well my input is that I'd rather not have signatures, I mean it's cool but like Rollin, Alexander (I know I didn't spell that right), and Ghalos are saying: it wouldn't be worth it to load on the page, make everything messy looking, are not really needed anyway, and might just evolve into another kinda of competition.

Either way here are my suggestions for Rollin:

-This (http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=208855) might be nice if it's not too big to make some posts more readable

-Here (http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=229381) is a solution to fix some of the stupid questions

-It might be a bit extreme but this (http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=220653) might temper some of the "OMG skyline roxz0rs" threads

Thanks for the suggestions.

-This (http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=208855) might be nice if it's not too big to make some posts more readable
We already have a spell checker. Just click on the "ABC" link on the right hand side of the editor (the editor is the thing where you write your posts, you may need to enable it in your User CP first). You need to install a small, free program on your PC for the spell checker to work.

-Here (http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=229381) is a solution to fix some of the stupid questions
About 10% of our visitors use Firefox which has the search box enabled by default. A lot of IE users have Google, Yahoo or some other toolbar installed. This has limited use, but I will give it some more thought.

-It might be a bit extreme but this (http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=220653) might temper some of the "OMG skyline roxz0rs" threads
Yes, but the downside of it is that members would just spam to get enough posts.

I live in a rural area, and DSL is not available here. All I have is SLOW dial up. The picture sigs are a pain for me, because of how slow they are. If this site became slow and cluttered, I would avoid it in favor of a cleaner forum.
The mods on this site are doing a good job. I see a different issue. The content of this forum appeals to an immature and inexperienced demographic. Young braggards with too much testosterone will alwas try to beat their chests and tell everyone else how much they know. There are too many egos and not enough real world experience. It either has to be dealt with, or the site has to filter new members. Some of the other sites require that you actually own more than just an opinion and a poster on the wall to join. This does limit the opinions as well, and sometimes this is unfortunate. The only clear improvement I could suggest is a couple more mods.

Heretic, where have you seen forums where you actually have to have car knowledge, ie, like a screening process. I would be interested in that. I would like to learn more than I know, and I could probably get in from what I do know.

or the site has to filter new members.
Well, something like that has been put in place a few days ago. Every *new* member now needs to have a valid email address (they need to confirm their membership with an Activation ID that they receive). Also, every new account goes to a moderation queue where they are reviewed and approved/rejected by me. I'm also considering to reject all accounts that have free email addresses like @hotmail.com or yahoo@com.

I can tell you that I have approved only one new member (out of 14 registrations) in the last two days.

This was originally intended to stop a banned user from creating another username, but will be used probably for a longer period of time.

The only clear improvement I could suggest is a couple more mods.
We will probably do that too.


A new system will also be up and running in a few days that will enable the moderators to manually (dis)approve all new posts of certain members that had issues with useless/off topic/flaming posts. They will not stay there indefinetly. If it won't help them to stop spamming, they will be banned.

This may sound harsh, but it is the only way to improve the quality of discussions in a short period of time. It should be done earlier.

I would like to see that too! I do know that the younger members here need to tone down a bit. Dont take that wrong, there are members here half my age that know twice what I do about cars but still, real world experience counts for a lot. This isn't as conceited as it sounds but having been a tow truck driver for a long time and living where I do, I've porbably driven more sports cars than a lot of these youngsters will ever ride in! Anyway, it just gets old seeing a 14 or 15 year old telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to how certain cars handle or drive. Magazines are partial, remember that...

Well, something like that has been put in place a few days ago. Every *new* member now needs to have a valid email address (they need to confirm their membership with an Activation ID that they receive). Also, every new account goes to a moderation queue where they are reviewed and approved/rejected by me. I'm also considering to reject all accounts that have free email addresses like @hotmail.com or yahoo@com.

I can tell you that I have approved only one new member (out of 14 registrations) in the last two days.

This was originally intended to stop a banned user from creating another username, but will be used probably for a longer period of time.


We will probably do that too.


A new system will also be up and running in a few days that will enable the moderators to manually (dis)approve all new posts of certain members that had issues with useless/off topic/flaming posts. They will not stay there indefinetly. If it won't help them to stop spamming, they will be banned.

This may sound harsh, but it is the only way to improve the quality of discussions in a short period of time. It should be done earlier.

Rollin,
No offense,
But I think you are pushing it over the line
You're sounding like a dictator

first of all, not approving new members will make this forum less popular
and not approving free email adresses like hotmail.com isn't fair
I use hotmail as one of my only e-mailadres,
altough I have more e-mailadresses, they are all free
So I think this is discriminating
People should be given a chance to post
If you see that they are spamming or make useless posts,
I agree they should be banned
But atleast give them a chance to prove themselves

And I understand You want to improve the quality of the discussions
But If you look at the average members on SCF, the age is around 14-25
You can't possibly excpect a mature discussion with this much teenagers on the forum,
The teenagers on the site are actually pretty mature for their age
So you should be glad that such young members make such intelligent posts
So Actually if you want to improve the overall quality of this board you should ban
all members below 18 years
But then you would loose so much members that this forum will be practically dead

You can't achieve an improvement of quality by not letting new members in
In my opinion the quality of the discussions is high as it is,
I'm learning much from this site, and I think everyone deserves to learn and post their
opinions/experiences etc.

I think you guys may not be seeing much of me then..... Back to boring carpassion I guess.


A new system will also be up and running in a few days that will enable the moderators to manually (dis)approve all new posts of certain members that had issues with useless/off topic/flaming posts. They will not stay there indefinetly. If it won't help them to stop spamming, they will be banned.

We've got members, Driftster, yourself(Kirstyn), Erind, Parko, Iroc, and so on that'd have to go on that list. Yes guys, you've all had flame wars that involve tons of crappy posts.

My flame wars with slow were never crappy, they were extremely informative(if you think about it). Either way, AIM.... IROCZ1989G92.

It seems that the admin. is way ahead of me. Nothing new about that:) .
Iroc, The sites that require a more stringent screening proscess are usually linked to registries for classis cars. I personally belong to both classic Jag sports car, and vette registries. You have to give a valid vin number in order to even view the forum. These forums are usually populated with a more mature group of people, so there are VERY few problems with flaming.

I think everyone deserves to learn and post their
opinions/experiences etc.
... in an intelligent, polite manner.

And not like this:

Yeah, it looks like crap
GM sukks

Aleksander, I think that you already know that you will be on the list.

Also, I don't care about the number of posts or the number of new members *at this point* (otherwise, I do).

I'm on a free hotmail account..

... in an intelligent, polite manner.

And not like this:



Aleksander, I think that you already know that you will be on the list.

Also, I don't care about the number of posts or the number of new members *at this point* (otherwise, I do).

Ok, that's one of the worst examples of my posts you could get
But I admit, I sometimes post like this, it's just my caracter and that's the way I am, but I definitly don't post like that all the time

Also, what's this list you are talking about
Is it some kind of a bad posters list??

I think it's a good idea, the moderating posts thingie.

But more so, the registration, yeah it's needed especially when members are banned. Karter anyone?

Precisely.

Hey, Rollin.. Buddy

One last thing before I'm out. Especially considering what your last comment was, and I want you to take this openly; no harm intended. But by doing all of this you will lose almost all of your posters within a few weeks. Making, your forum turn into another forum I frequent.

www.carpassion.com/en

check the post count in the matter of days between posts. Take note that the site once had 50,000 members. Same deal as here, I am friends with all of the mods, but I pop in and out. They were happy when I came and they let me. Why it gave them something to do. Driftster can certify this because in an attempt to bring the place back, I had him join. Also, another member of this site, Challe; will tell you the same thing.

Goodluck.

But by doing all of this you will lose almost all of your posters within a few weeks.
There is no need to dramatize the situation. Posters that we want to get rid of will probably leave. Others will stay.

Remember, this forum is not like most others, because we don't only get traffic from search engines, we also get them from a rather popular automotive website. This means that we can afford to "clean" the forums up from time to time.

I'm on a free hotmail account..
This only affects new members.

And...it's temporary.

Also, it's not a permanent feature, the email thing, principally to stop people that flame, and then get banned. Then get a new account in a couple minutes, flame again. And so on. Both the moderation of posts and email account registration should pretty much end that.

Also, read: "I'm considering"

Not set in stone folks...sheesh, we're not about to stifle the site from the top down. That's about as dumb as it gets, and considering how well SCF is built as is, do you *honestly* think this will kill the site? It's alllll under consideration, being debated by other mods, Rollin, and I. So chill out. =P

There is no need to dramatize the situation. Posters that we want to get rid of will probably leave. Others will stay.

Remember, this forum is not like most others, because we don't only get traffic from search engines, we also get them from a rather popular automotive website. This means that we can afford to "clean" the forums up from time to time.


This only affects new members.

Fair enough, I just ended my temper tantrum. And I wasn't the one whole registered with a hotmail acct.

If you guys end up making something where you have to verify peoples posts (even if its just a select few) before they can be posted, i guarantee you will lose those members.

If you guys block out free e-mail addresses, you will lose 99.9% of new registrations (yes, even if they are retards).

Most of the idea's I am seeing from you guys are horrible! Granted, I now retract the "More Forums" suggestion, I still stand somewhat strong on my position on signatures, just turn them off if you don't want them.

Theres no reason to start being so strict all of a sudden, I wonder whats behind it all? I know Karter didn't single-handedly do this, there must be an alterior motive? :)

I think getting rid of the trouble makers is the idea. If after a reasonable number of warnings, soneone cannot be civil, then verifying their posts may be in order. They will probably find another forum, bul allowing them this way out may be better than banning them

Wow! Looks good, I for one am pleased to hear this. The spammers will fade out, we senior members will be able to enjoy good honest automotive discussions hassle free of the slight annoyances. Looking forward to the next few days.

Wow! Looks good, I for one am pleased to hear this. The spammers will fade out, we senior members will be able to enjoy good honest automotive discussions hassle free of the slight annoyances. Looking forward to the next few days.

That was quite possibly the most sarcastic post I have ever read on this forum. I had to reread the highlighted passage to see if you were being serious.

I just finished writing 9 pages of Soviet Foreign Policy, from my point of view on it, and I did it all for the most part, in 4 hours...

And I've got a bottle of 100 proof vodka in the fridge...


I see where this going...

Do you?! OOOOO

I had troubles depicting it. But it was funny.

What are you going on about?


Nup, but I'm guessing it's homosexual. :p


Ummm...not quite, but I guess I kinda' set myself up for that...

I meant, drink heavily, get 4 hours of sleep, hand in said paper...and thus, bring this hellish semester to an end...

But no, I'm just constantly rewriting a comparisons thread...and then, sleep.

Well, something like that has been put in place a few days ago. Every *new* member now needs to have a valid email address (they need to confirm their membership with an Activation ID that they receive). Also, every new account goes to a moderation queue where they are reviewed and approved/rejected by me. I'm also considering to reject all accounts that have free email addresses like @hotmail.com or yahoo@com.

I can tell you that I have approved only one new member (out of 14 registrations) in the last two days.

This was originally intended to stop a banned user from creating another username, but will be used probably for a longer period of time.
.

If that has happend then why did Ghalos have to ban some called thepersonformallyknowaskarter74 today. I don't think I got the name right.

I don't think that teenager should be banned. I came here to learn about car because that what I'm intresed in. Any way Slezac 12 is only 14 or something like that and he is one of the best members on the forum.

It's more or less designed to stop people like Karter from re-creating accounts. For example, it's based on email addresses, that person you mentioned used "bull@sh#t.com" as his sign up email address.

So, it kinda' makes sense in that context.

If you guys end up making something where you have to verify peoples posts (even if its just a select few) before they can be posted, i guarantee you will lose those members.
And that's not a bad thing. You see, a forum that allows spam, flaming and all sorts of things is basically worthless. Who would want to pay for advertisements on something like that? And that's only one reason why we want to improve the quality of discussions.

If you guys block out free e-mail addresses, you will lose 99.9% of new registrations (yes, even if they are ******s).
You can be certain that that won't happen. :)

Theres no reason to start being so strict all of a sudden, I wonder whats behind it all? I know Karter didn't single-handedly do this, there must be an alterior motive? :)
This has been planned for quite some time. It may seem sudden for most members, but in reality, it is not. For instance, the Forum Rules have been changed a few months back. Now, we are enforcing them.

You see, a forum that allows spam, flaming and all sorts of things is basically worthless. Who would want to pay for advertisements on something like that? And that's only one reason why we want to improve the quality of discussions.


Rollin, from one site owner to another site owner,
I think herein lies your problem:
You see, sometimes having a greater site with happier members means less money for you. You have to decide which you value higher, your wallet, or the happiness of SportsCarForums.com members.

Can somebody actually explain how one's own site is earning them money?

I've just sorta had it explained, but she was not particularly clear?

Well, something like that has been put in place a few days ago. Every *new* member now needs to have a valid email address (they need to confirm their membership with an Activation ID that they receive). Also, every new account goes to a moderation queue where they are reviewed and approved/rejected by me. I'm also considering to reject all accounts that have free email addresses like @hotmail.com or yahoo@com.

I can tell you that I have approved only one new member (out of 14 registrations) in the last two days.

This was originally intended to stop a banned user from creating another username, but will be used probably for a longer period of time.


We will probably do that too.


A new system will also be up and running in a few days that will enable the moderators to manually (dis)approve all new posts of certain members that had issues with useless/off topic/flaming posts. They will not stay there indefinetly. If it won't help them to stop spamming, they will be banned.

This may sound harsh, but it is the only way to improve the quality of discussions in a short period of time. It should be done earlier.
i use hotmail and so what? why should those e-mails be rejected who wants to pay for e-mail? i mean that's a bit unfair just 'cos they have hotmail..it means i would have been rejected? is that fair..i don't think so :(
also whats with checking posts i mean i think it's going a bit far..members will see there posts haven't appeared and get annoyed that they are being treated like babies.
i think getting all strict isn't gonna help
you have to be on the peoples side to get them to listen...there's no way you want to be against them is there...there's more of us than you and if we all leave because of this what ya gonna do beg us to come back??
i mean you might say im being rude or whatever i'm just debating in my opinion

You have to decide which you value higher, your wallet, or the happiness of SportsCarForums.com members.
Can't I have both? ;)

i mean that's a bit unfair just 'cos they have hotmail..it means i would have been rejected? is that fair..i don't think so
I agree, it wouldn't be fair if it would be like this.

also whats with checking posts i mean i think it's going a bit far..members will see there posts haven't appeared and get annoyed that they are being treated like babies.
It would be wrong if everyone would welcome such measures. If that would be the case, they would be useless.

Look at it this way: the alternative is to leave the forum as it is, to basically tolerate pointless/off topic/flame posts. In my opinion, that would be a bad choice.

you have to be on the peoples side to get them to listen...there's no way you want to be against them is there...there's more of us than you and if we all leave because of this what ya gonna do beg us to come back?
No comment.


Anyway, I think you didn't get this right. This is not like we're banning half of the board. It will only affect a very small portion of members so the rest of us can enjoy in more intelligent, thought-out, civil discussions about CARS. :)

Can somebody actually explain how one's own site is earning them money?

I've just sorta had it explained, but she was not particularly clear?

There are adds all over the place if your not logged in.

Rollin I just need to say that no one I know pays fo e-mail or will ever pay for e-mail while its free.
Would you except address like @telsta or @bigpond.com because they only allow 4 e-mail addresses per computer. Just out of intrest.