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montreal
Dec 30, 2003, 3:10 PM
anyone here succesfully modified an engine using a NOS system ?
I'm new to it.
IT is interesting to know how to modify the eingine before adding a NOS system.
Any standard engine and gear box I think cannot live long after installign a NOS kit.
Anyone can point me in the right direction ?
thanks
TYRONN7
Dec 30, 2003, 4:46 PM
I'm also new to Nos tuning. Anyway i heard that it's crazy to mount a nos system to a stock engine without any upgrades. It's like taking your engine to the electric chair... :D
Geo_x
Dec 30, 2003, 9:47 PM
If the NOS upgrade is up to 45 - 50hp, you don't have to change nothing to the engine.
jimkk29
Jan 01, 2004, 6:11 PM
Why not get a turbocharger instead...
Geo_x
Jan 02, 2004, 9:06 PM
NOS is cheaper. . . :D
dark_hunter
Jan 02, 2004, 9:13 PM
NOS is cheaper. . . :D NOS you would have to pay to refill it. If you don't use it then your a poser. I say a turbocharger pays for itself compared to NOS :!:
sr20det_swapper
Jan 02, 2004, 9:45 PM
:roll: nos is a one time thing then refil is like a 100 dollers but turbos infinit in come what your gunna refill air? don need to! turbos better nos good for a while but then refill dark_hunter understands :D
Vanilla_AMG
Jan 03, 2004, 2:25 AM
NOS is great :D but it damages your engine each time u use it and depending on how often u use it u will be going through engines faster that u would like. I suggest getting a Turbo, cause NOS u use on top end run's and that's when the Turbo kick's in. Just remember to get a Turbo timer to keep the Turbo cool.
McLaren F1 LM
Jan 03, 2004, 3:51 AM
anyone here succesfully modified an engine using a NOS system ?
I'm new to it.
IT is interesting to know how to modify the eingine before adding a NOS system.
Any standard engine and gear box I think cannot live long after installign a NOS kit.
Anyone can point me in the right direction ?
thanks
Yes i did. :D i have it for a year now and i used it ones. :D
no if you have a standard engine i don't suggest to add nitrous to the engine.
White-Night
Jan 04, 2004, 3:10 AM
anyone here succesfully modified an engine using a NOS system ?
I'm new to it.
IT is interesting to know how to modify the eingine before adding a NOS system.
Any standard engine and gear box I think cannot live long after installign a NOS kit.
Anyone can point me in the right direction ?
thanks
get a turbocharger insted , nos is cheaper in the short run and you can only use it for one boost for 15 sec max !
and don't forget you have to refill it back
turbo works all the time and gives you more power and much more fun .
and an other thing , when modying to NOS you have to look on the safty aspect , when you have NOS in the car , a small accedint may blow up your car becouse of the NOS , think about it :roll:
McLaren F1 LM
Jan 04, 2004, 10:10 AM
Yeah if you dont have any turbo into your car i would not get nitrous get turbos before. :wink:
rally
Jan 17, 2004, 7:08 PM
and after you get the turbocharge you will have a better tuning potential.
MartyC
Jan 23, 2004, 1:21 PM
Dear Montreal and all other members,
I would like to think that I have enough experience and knowledge about Nitrous Oxide to offer you some reliable facts about the subject.
I have been a very satisfied owner of a Highpower Nitrous Oxide System manufactured by the Wizards of NOS in the UK for almost 5 years. During that time I have learnt a lot through my own experience, from the experts at Highpower and from fellow Highpower customers (with the aid of their billboard). I would like to pass on a little of my knowledge to you but I advise you to visit Highpowers web site www.noswizard.com and also their billboard http://www.noswizard.com/bboard for more in-depth information.
Firstly nitrous oxide (particularly with the aid of a Highpower system) can SAFELY be injected into almost any 'unmodified' engine which is in a good condition and has no weaknesses as standard. Obviously each individual component has its own limitation and at a certain power level it might be necessary for you to upgrade a part. The most common components that show signs of weakness are the ignition and clutch. At 50bhp I had to change my HT leads, rotor arm and distributor cap as they were causing high resistance and the spark was too weak.
The size of the engine will also be a determining factor as to how much extra bhp you can add with the aid of any tuning mod. be it a turbo or nitrous oxide. A 4.0 litre engine can obviously handle much more power than a 1.3 litre engine.
Another factor is how you introduce the extra power. I chose to add a Maximiser progressive controller to my basic Highpower system to make it a much safer and effective progressive system. The power is introduced gradually (according to how I program the unit) so it is easier for the engine and me to handle!
Unlike petrol, Nitrous Oxide is NOT flammable and will not cause your 'car to blow up.' In fact quite the opposite. In the event of a pipe bursting or the blow-off disk bursting, nitrous (in liquid form) would escape at such a force that it would simply blow out any flames in its path. It would only oxygenate a fire if used in small gaseous doses (like in an engine combustion chamber). That added to the fact that it (in liquid form) is at - 88 degrees celsius makes it quite a good fire extinguisher!
I hope I've thrown a little light on the subject for you :D
Raith83
Jan 23, 2004, 1:52 PM
Wow, thank you very much. That isan obviously very ifnormed post, the kinds I like :wink: Shoves off the guys who talk non-sense about blowing up engines with NOS and all the other garbage you will see on the boards. I never really considred Nitrous before, but it seems the technology is becoming less expensive, safer and more effective. The perfect boost for the stoplight racer :mrgreen:
jimkk29
Jan 23, 2004, 5:51 PM
Cool, great post MartyC. :D
MartyC
Jan 24, 2004, 6:36 AM
Dear Raith83 & Jimkk29,
Thank you for your encouraging words about my first post.
The reason I felt compelled to post my message is because I too get annoyed by inexperienced guys offering incorrect advice to others. For as long as I can remember the most common 'rumour' about Nitrous Oxide has always been,'it blows up your engine.' Thankfully guys like myself who wanted to find out the truth for themselves have proven that as long as you follow the experts advice and use the right equipment, nitrous oxide is as safe as any other tuning method. I'm not saying that nitrous oxide kits are without disadvantages, because as some of the guys have already pointed out, the biggest is that you have to refill the cylinder. I find that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages though, for my own requirements and application. My job requires me to travel many miles and for normal day to day use my car provides enough power and is economical (if I added a turbo I'd be spending much more on fuel unnecessarily). If I want a bit of extra power for over taking or to race at the track, all I need to do is push the button!
jimkk29
Jan 24, 2004, 10:33 AM
Could I ask you a question? How often do you need to refill the bottle?
MartyC
Jan 25, 2004, 10:02 AM
Dear jimkk29,
You are welcome to ask me whichever questions come to mind, although I can't guarantee I'll be able to answer all of them :-)
It's impossible for me to give you a 'definite' answer to your question as it depends on too many variables (e.g. how often I activate the system and for how long). I chose to upgrade my cylinder from the 5lb to 11lb so the nitrous would last twice as long. On the road I use 50bhp jets, so the nitrous oxide lasts approx. 5 mins of continuous use (pulsing the solenoids with my Maximiser also makes the nitrous last longer). 5 minutes doesn't sound like a long time but because I activate the system for short bursts (e.g. 5-10 secs), I usually only refill the cylinder every 3 weeks.
When I'm at the track I get greedier and fit the 100bhp jets, so the nitrous is obviously used up twice as quickly and the bottle needs to be refilled more often. I get around 20 runs out of a full cylinder depending on how I set up my Maximiser.
jimkk29
Jan 26, 2004, 5:49 AM
Interesting. And how much do 5lb and 11lb cylinder refills cost?
RiceBoy
Jan 26, 2004, 10:08 PM
Dear Raith83 & Jimkk29,
Thank you for your encouraging words about my first post.
The reason I felt compelled to post my message is because I too get annoyed by inexperienced guys offering incorrect advice to others. For as long as I can remember the most common 'rumour' about Nitrous Oxide has always been,'it blows up your engine.' Thankfully guys like myself who wanted to find out the truth for themselves have proven that as long as you follow the experts advice and use the right equipment, nitrous oxide is as safe as any other tuning method. I'm not saying that nitrous oxide kits are without disadvantages, because as some of the guys have already pointed out, the biggest is that you have to refill the cylinder. I find that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages though, for my own requirements and application. My job requires me to travel many miles and for normal day to day use my car provides enough power and is economical (if I added a turbo I'd be spending much more on fuel unnecessarily). If I want a bit of extra power for over taking or to race at the track, all I need to do is push the button!
wow...nitrous as a fire extinguisher...that really contradicts what most people say :D
MartyC
Jan 27, 2004, 12:18 PM
Jimkk29,
The price of nitrous oxide depends on the source. I imagine that regardless of which country you live in, the cheapest source of nitrous oxide would always be direct from a gas manufacturer. Not only is the gas cheaper, but I find it more convenient to rent a 50l cylinder and refill the small cylinder myself. Unlike me, some guys prefer to have their cylinder filled by a dealer/filling station, because although it costs more in the long run, they part with less money at a time.
nitrousfreek2000
Jan 27, 2004, 1:58 PM
Hello all
I have a nitrous system on my car and it is totally standard. I'm running a wizards of nos systems with a nitrous controller on 50 bhp on my fiat uno turbo and i have now had it on for 6 months. I am amazed in the difference in hp as i thought my car would never handle that amount. Without the nitrous controller i was unable to get traction as the kick was balastic when it all came in at once, now that i have this controller i have been told by the boys at high power that i can run upto 60 bhp . . can't wait. Just when i thought my car couldn't get any quicker . bigger jets come along. . he he. Might need to think bout gettin better clutch though as the standard clutch is pants.
Good to see peolpe talk bout nitrous as i enjoy chattin and seeing what other peolpe results are. Any one else here got or thinking bout getting a wizards of nos systems. I'm sure if you are thinking of it ya wont regret it. :D
jimkk29
Jan 28, 2004, 7:17 AM
Interesting, thanks for the information guys! :D
RiceBoy
Jan 29, 2004, 1:19 AM
yeh...but i still dont like the fact that you have to refill it...and that costs xtra mula...but overall...it'll probably yeild more whoooosh factor than a turbo...
nitrousfreek2000
Jan 29, 2004, 5:26 AM
Yeah but .. ya also have to keep filling ya petrol tank.It is the only down fall with nitrous, the bloody bottle doesnt last long enough but i don't care the fun I have is never ending, kickin ass against bigger cars then mine I'm constantley handing out the high power number as they all need it them selfs. HEHE :D :D
Chip
Jun 01, 2004, 8:26 PM
MartyC is all educated... Great Post!
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