We've all heard it and seen it, the Federal response to Katrina sucked...it still sucks.
The amount of food, water, and basic medical needs have not been met. And we've all had our say as to why it happened...And now it's my turn to bi*ch.

Sure I could do this verbally, which I do, sure I could write to my Senators, which I've done, daily. Sure I could send money, which I've done, sure I could talk less and go there and physically help pull the dead bodies of people who could've survived had people gotten off their asses and done something, well...I can't, since school just started.

Now...why am I really pissed off? Ok, let's get right to it: These are our f*cking countrymen and women, no offense to anyone from another nation, but this isn't "another country on CNN" this is the gulf coast damnit, and those are fellow American's who can't even get WATER or food or help of any sort. We're the most powerful nation in the world militarily, we're the richest, we've got a massive infrastructure for situations like this, the Coast Guard, the Air National Guard, etc...the rapid response forces in the US Army also, were all created for exactly that: "rapid responses to threats to American Security"...ok, so it's not foreign, and that's what makes it worse.

These are our neighbors, these aren't people that we'll never meet. These are people that live only a day away...

And here's why I'm mad in particular at the Federal government...

People, government is put in place, historically, to protect it's citizen's. This is a case where our own government failed to protect it's citizen's from something that could've been avoided, or at least mitigated ahead of time...

That better sound really F*CKING FAMILIAR to all of you...I'm referring to September 11th, another date in American history that our federal level of government failed us and we paid in blood for it.

The levies, one of the prime failures in this tragedy could've been fixed a decade ago when a report came before Congress on it's out of date design, and continual decline in structural strength...nothing happened...Andrew demolished central Florida, and threatened New Orleans...still, nothing happened. It took a Katrina to prove just how dangerously weak they were...And just like the CIA, FBI, and NSA's failure to cooperate before Sept. 11th, the civilians of this nation paid with their lives for the ineptitude of politicians and lack of attention given to a very plain threat.

In a perfect world, these people would be fired from their jobs and kicked out onto the street.

Now, normally I'd try to play both sides and say something about how, "Well, the Government is acting now..."

But you know what? No they're not, the people told to go to the Silverdome, the lower and low-middle-class white's, black's, red's, yellow's, whatever skin color, PEOPLE, go there only to find no electricity, no food, and no water...

Anyways, I'm really mad obviously, and I put this here as a sign of a quote that a columnist I read regularly has hit home...Leonard Pitts said, himself quoting, I believe Martin Luther King Jr..."You start to care...you start to give a damn..."

Well, Pitts was referring to the ONGOING genocide in Darfur...and it hit home then, now...I'm caring, I'm giving a damn for my fellow citizen's who's own government failed them so spectacularly that this tragedy can safely be labelled as, "The biggest national crisis, ever."

Now, it's up to you to give a damn.

Yep ^^ have to say i agree with that 100%

Ghalos, I'm canadian but this whole thing hurts me a lot. I agree totally with what you said. Your government totally missed the call on this...

yeah, i couldnt agree with u more ghalos! that is so true

Sadly I have to agree...

This truly shows AGAIN Bush's politics suck... The man is not even capable to run a grocery store let alone run a country. The fact he cant get reallected doesnt help either, he can do whatever he wants...

It's not just Bush, fool...really, don't even try to blame it just on him. It's the generals that took days to call up reserves and national guard units to fly in and help...It's the senators and house reps who took THREE DAMN DAYS TO "discuss a response"...

IT TAKES THREE DAYS TO DIE OF DEHYDRATION...

Sure, Bush could put an assload of pressure on them to work harder, and not knowing what he did precisely, he may not have, or he may have...either way, he's not the only person at fault.

Not in the least...please people, think for once before you speak.

There just striaght out racesist!

Everyone always blaims Bush, Bush that, Bush this
but it's the whole freaking US governement
even if it was another president the same would have happened,
they are seriously screwing things up

Not only with this hurricane thing, with everything
They invade Iraq to steal oil
They blame Belarus for building nuclear weapons wich wasn't true at all
(Condoleeza Rice got owned by Belarus)
American soldiers are showing nude pictures of Iraq people
(wich is against human right, who knows what else they are doing there!!)
and lots of other things

but leave this aside now

about the hurricane, yes they seriously screwed up
I was actually surprised to hear that, America being the most powerfull and rich nation
on the planet.

Also I noticed that those are all black people that are suffering on the streets.
could there be a racist motive behind the horrible aid and organization?

I saw a really stupid lady from the US embassy on TV
she actually talked more about the looting then about the real victims
She even emphasized the fact that looters will be shot
this makes me sick, people need to loot for surviving, let them atleast take wath they need
If I was in this situation I would do exactly the same, loot as much as possible

I really care about those people but I'm sorry
I can't donate anything to the US , because my hate against the United States is too big
besides why don't you spend your money on helping people instead of defence
After all America is rich enough to support this
so don't expect any money from me and I know lots of people think the same way as me

SHut up Bai, I was watching the news last night and some guy was talking about all they were getting is water. They cant live off water, they needed food. But im sure the military is doing their best to work fast as possible to rescue the needed and save the ones in hunger.

As for the whole racism thing...I don't know, everyone, black, white, etc...are looting...So I doubt any racism is the motivation, when people panick, like the armed forces there, they'll shoot first and ask questions later. This shouldn't even be the case...since well, these are the people they are supposed to protect in a war, and work for in peacetime.

Hell no. Racism isn't the motivation. I live in Chicago now, but I grew up in New Orleans, and my father still works there 6 months a year. I have a lot of friends there. The reason you only see black people in crisis, is because the affected areas are almost entirely black. New Orleans is about the blackest city not in Africa you'll ever see. Unfortunately, the areas hardest hit were very poor, (35% of New Orleans residents live below the poverty line). The people who had the means and ability to get out of New Orleans did so, leaving behind the elderly, the disabled, the pregnant, the very young, and the very poor. Watching the shape my city is in just about makes me want to cry, and my girlfriend is making me watch it on the news all night. It's good to all you SCFers get how serious this is. If you have a few extra dollars, send it. If there's something else you could do, do that. It's needed now more than ever.

I really feel sad for those victims.My prayers goes to all the victims of Katrina.

I really care about those people but I'm sorry
I can't donate anything to the US , because my hate against the United States is too big
besides why don't you spend your money on helping people instead of defence
After all America is rich enough to support this
so don't expect any money from me and I know lots of people think the same way as me

The reason the US has to be the world's police force is because of all the do-little punks like you who sit on your asses fiddling as Rome burns. You know what? You don't really care about those people, or you wouldn't let your feelings about the US government stop you from helping. I'm not a huge fan of the Thai government, but that didn't stop me from sending my hard earned money when the Tsunami hit. As to your comment about how you hate the US, it's really easy for someone from Belgium, (a tiny country with limited resources that no one would notice if it dropped off the face of the earth), to condemn the US for their policies. The world isn't looking to Belgium in time of crisis. You say you hate the US, but if some European dictator decided he wanted to take over Belgium, you would be the first on asking; "Why isn't the US helping us?"

What I can't understand is when there's an atrocity somewhere else, like the tsunami or that submarine in Russia, their the first to back it up and help...but apparently not in their own country?

It's not just Bush, fool...really, don't even try to blame it just on him.

Arnt you a lil fanboy :rolleyes:

Who's fault is it then? He's the president, the leader of the US. America is his responsibility. In every organisation like a company, country, store; it all comes down to the highest man in rank when something goes wrong. Why? Because he's supposed to lead the organisation, he's got to make the final calls. If somebody in his organisation screws up its the boss's fault.

Do you really think Bush didnt had to make the decision? If not he aint leading his country like he's supposed to.

The US has everything it needs to divert a national disaster like this one. If the right decisions were made this didnt happen

Everyone always blaims Bush, Bush that, Bush this
but it's the whole freaking US governement
even if it was another president the same would have happened,
they are seriously screwing things up

Your saying a president doesnt have anything to say? You're a fellow belgian, our King hasnt anything to say in belgium yes.
But a president is a different story, I think your mixing the both up...

If someone's leading a country with flaws, he should make changes so the country will become better.

But at this time it doesnt matter if it was Bush's fault or not. Its a shame this tragedie happened. Arguing if it was his fault or not wont help those people.

This is the last im going to say about it

The reason the US has to be the world's police force is because of all the do-little punks like you who sit on your asses fiddling as Rome burns. You know what? You don't really care about those people, or you wouldn't let your feelings about the US government stop you from helping. I'm not a huge fan of the Thai government, but that didn't stop me from sending my hard earned money when the Tsunami hit. As to your comment about how you hate the US, it's really easy for someone from Belgium, (a tiny country with limited resources that no one would notice if it dropped off the face of the earth), to condemn the US for their policies. The world isn't looking to Belgium in time of crisis. You say you hate the US, but if some European dictator decided he wanted to take over Belgium, you would be the first on asking; "Why isn't the US helping us?"

Not every Belgian is like him. Sure the majority doesnt really like America, but in time of need we will be the first to offer help. 2 plane's with logistics already left to New orleans. We are offered more help to the US but are waiting on a decision from the US.

In time of need Belgium is one of the first to help, sure we have not as much resources as other countrys but we're always reaching out!

(Belgium is more important in the world than you think it is and Im not talking about sending help to a crisis.)

Arnt you a lil fanboy :rolleyes:

I could rip you to shreads for saying that, let me make it clear...
I did not vote for Bush, nor do I like a single damn things he's done in the years he's been President.

So DO NOT make that assumption you ass.

So...let me EXPLAIN WHY it's not ALL HIS fault.

He doesn't have a King's powers of direct control..see, we have a senate that he has to go through to get things done, we have state representatives that bring matters to his attention, we have armed forces that have General's, and Admiral's that bring things to his attention. They are the one's who screwed up, hell the levies being in bad condition were originally there when Clinton was in office.

SO...Philipz...no, don't make an assumption of others...especially with me.

Perhaps all of you have just overlooked the tiny fact that nearly all of our reserve, national gaurd, army, marines, and navy are currently somewhere in the middle east. i garuntee you it took some time to locate and gather what forces we had left to out disposal to send over to aide our fellow country men. **** takes time. You think bush can just drop a line and within an hour the f*ucking army is dropping out of airplanes to go help the survivors?? No, it takes days to organize, plan, and execute an efficently well laid out plan that will help the most possible people. Also in terms of looting, for those of you to idiotic to pay attention to the news the military has actually been supervising the "looting" of grocery stores and drug stores in able to let people get what they need to survive...Yes if you are carting out stereo equipment and big screen TV's you may be shot. They arent just blowing away people trying to get food you morons. You cant blame the government, you have no F*ucking clue how massive this disater was, you cant just start doing **** right away it takes time effort and yes a ton of money. They began organizing fire fighters and law enforcement right away. They housed the refugees to the best of their abilities. You shun them for everything they did wrong, how about all the things they did right. Like use the superdome as shelter, ect ect. They began dropping supplies as soon as they could. So quit your f*ucking bitches, send your god damn money, donate your blood and shut the f*uck up.

The reason the US has to be the world's police force is because of all the do-little punks like you who sit on your asses fiddling as Rome burns. You know what? You don't really care about those people, or you wouldn't let your feelings about the US government stop you from helping. I'm not a huge fan of the Thai government, but that didn't stop me from sending my hard earned money when the Tsunami hit. As to your comment about how you hate the US, it's really easy for someone from Belgium, (a tiny country with limited resources that no one would notice if it dropped off the face of the earth), to condemn the US for their policies. The world isn't looking to Belgium in time of crisis. You say you hate the US, but if some European dictator decided he wanted to take over Belgium, you would be the first on asking; "Why isn't the US helping us?"


First of all,
Who the hell are you to say if I care about those people or not, I really care about those people if you believe it or not
I donated money to Thailand because it's a poor country, America is rich
so I suppose you spend money on helping people
instead of building weapons of mass destruction yourselfs
and invade other country's and accusing them
on building weapons of mass destruction,
maybe, just maybe people will
actually start to like America

As for the Belgian thing
I should clear this up
I'm not really a Belgian I'm half Serb/Macedonian beter known as
Yugoslavia (that's right, the land you bombed in 1999)

So leave Belgium out of this,I'm not representing Belgium
I only live here, I'm not really Belgian
And it's true that Belgium has offered help as Philipz said

He doesn't have a King's powers of direct control..

I said earlier that a King hasnt got anything to say?! Thrust me on this, a president has very much to say..


Perhaps all of you have just overlooked the tiny fact that nearly all of our reserve, national gaurd, army, marines, and navy are currently somewhere in the middle east. i garuntee you it took some time to locate and gather what forces we had left to out disposal to send over to aide our fellow country men. **** takes time. You think bush can just drop a line and within an hour the f*ucking army is dropping out of airplanes to go help the survivors?? No, it takes days to organize, plan, and execute an efficently well laid out plan that will help the most possible people. Also in terms of looting, for those of you to idiotic to pay attention to the news the military has actually been supervising the "looting" of grocery stores and drug stores in able to let people get what they need to survive...Yes if you are carting out stereo equipment and big screen TV's you may be shot. They arent just blowing away people trying to get food you morons. You cant blame the government, you have no F*ucking clue how massive this disater was, you cant just start doing **** right away it takes time effort and yes a ton of money. They began organizing fire fighters and law enforcement right away. They housed the refugees to the best of their abilities. You shun them for everything they did wrong, how about all the things they did right. Like use the superdome as shelter, ect ect. They began dropping supplies as soon as they could. So quit your f*ucking bitches, send your god damn money, donate your blood and shut the f*uck up.

Bush admitted they made wrong decissions, I saw it on the news! You're saying they didnt made mistakes?!
Honestly dont get that...

Not every Belgian is like him. Sure the majority doesnt really like America, but in time of need we will be the first to offer help. 2 plane's with logistics already left to New orleans. We are offered more help to the US but are waiting on a decision from the US.

In time of need Belgium is one of the first to help, sure we have not as much resources as other countrys but we're always reaching out!

(Belgium is more important in the world than you think it is and Im not talking about sending help to a crisis.)

I really have no problem w/ Belgium. I just wanted to send a littile country bashing Aleksander's way to let him know how ignorant he sounds. As a New Orleans native, I can tell you that Belgium's help is much appreciated. And yes, I am aware of Belgium's place in the world as far as international diplomacy, commerce, etc. I'm sure it' a fine country. As a matter of fact, it turns out Aleksander isn't even from Belgium, makes sense.

In response to Aleksander's assertion that he hates the US, but cares deeply about its citezins, B.S! What is a country if not a group of citezins. You hate the country, you hate the people. Otherwise, be more specific and say you hate the government.

In response to Aleksander's assertion that he hates the US, but cares deeply about its citezins, B.S! What is a country if not a group of citezins. You hate the country, you hate the people. Otherwise, be more specific and say you hate the government.

Ok , I'll be more specific

I don't hate the people of US
I only don't like the way the US is controling the world so yes I hate the governement

usually i'm one to jump on the anit-bush bandwagon.... but as for this, i think everyone should just leave that aside. i serioulsy hope they just get help. I mean obviously those ppl who could have afforded it, have left. The people who stayed behind and died did so because they had no choice, or a place to go. Who kows how terrifing it is to be left behind in that city right now, run by thugs. And the worst part is, is that this hurricane might not be the last one.


NADER '08!! W00T!

As far as Im concerned help is being dished out as we banter. The people that died were either weak, or simply lacking instincts, agression, and the will to live. You can bet your asses that if it were me there Id find a way to survive. Your all just wasting time in sitting here arguing. Whats the point in trying to figure out where we went wrong? You cant go back in time in fix it, and your not a government official. Therefore more or less your word in this county means absolutely nothing. Keep this in mind. The government DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU....They only want your tax money, thats pretty much your sole purpose in this county, to live your life to the fullest and give the government their money. Aside from that they really dont give two shi*ts about you. The sooner you can learn to never count on the government to ever help you in a time of need and prepare for whatever situation may come the better off you are. From their perspective its a bunch of blacks and whites and hispanics who are most likely already in poverty who attribute nothing to the government, which is why they are running full fledged to help really. Like you said, the wealthy and those able to leave...left, and those are the people the government really cares about. Welcome to the real world folk...No one cares about you or your problems but you. Next time a hurricane comes you better buy ur water and ur canned food and prepare for the worst. In any case I really dont care about whats going on in New Orleans, all I know is that Im not there and Gas prices are through the roof. If it were me Id hope I was smart enough to find a way to survive untill disater relief made its way there and built me a new house.

As far as Im concerned help is being dished out as we banter. The people that died were either weak, or simply lacking instincts, agression, and the will to live. You can bet your asses that if it were me there Id find a way to survive.
what an asshole.
lacking instinct? give me a ****ing break. You'd think you'd be able to take all that **** and just get through it on your "agression"? having your home destryoed, not knowing what the **** is going to happen to you, not knowing wether or not everyone in your family is alive?
pretty ****ing easy to make yourself out to such a badass when your stiing on your ass in your comfy home.
I can bet my ass you'd be dead or stting on the roof of your house waiting to get your ass saved.

From what I'v heard on the news the U.S. have been doing something but not enought. What I really don't like is that they stopped sending the helicopters.
Australia has sent help but not much.

The Bush goverment is one of the worst in the world. They spend so much money on nucler bombes but if they fired them all the radiation would wipe out the human race anyway so the only thing their doing is eventully commiting suicide.
But the Bush gov isn't the only bad one. The Australian gov is doing a whole lot of things like incressing uni fees and giving empoliers more power over workers.

Maverick...did you just say that people who died were weak?

Please, you don't know what it's like to be in a disaster like that...

So don't say you could "FIND A WAY TO LIVE"...you're a poser, a weak one at that.

Also, if you want to bit*h about the way life is here, do me a favor, don't do it around me, because I've dedicated my life to getting into a political position so that I can really get "big" things done...And hearing little punks like you bit*h about it is just annoying...Also, do me a favor...tell my friends mom that her husband he's weak for dying when the WTC's collapsed and killed him...ok?

Please, do me a favor, and give a damn for a HUMAN LIFE.

Also, losing the will to live...the only one's who fall into that category are people who commit suicide...Yeah, I'm sure those people down there were all suicidal... :rolleyes:

you know, the majority of the people who died were either people who had deseases and couldnt be helped, or were people who couldnt get the proper supplys to servive. take my mom for example. if we lived in New Orleans right now, she would be dead. shes a type one diabetic. every single type one that was struck by the hurricane was killed because they had no way of getting insulin. also, what if you had a heart attack IN THE MIDDLE OF A HURRICANE!!?? whos gonna help you?

and dont you dare tell me to speak out against my government. its my given right you macho asshole. and if im not mistaken, thats the main reason why this country was started. because citizens couldnt speak out against their government. now your trying to tell me that i shouldnt speak out against my government and point out their flaws? should i just blindly agree and love my government just because theyre my government?

very very very many have died already and this tragedy is just as bad as 911 was. every time i hear another story i feel sicker and sicker. for many different reasons tho. one, because i see how many people have died and how sad the whole thing is. two, because our President is too much of a dickhead to do anything, probly because it would disturb his vacation. and three, because everyone in this country is so materialistic. in every other country when something like this happens, people help eachother. whats happening in New Orleans? everyone is shooting eachother for what they have in their pockets. it makes me ashamed to be an American right now. now, i know i couldnt even imagine how hard it must be to like there right now, but now we have crazed muggers running around shooting anyone with pockets, thousands of people, kids, moms, dads, have died, no one is helping them, and you have the guts to be that much of a fu*ker about it?

fu*k you dude.

Pfft. I spent this morning buying cots and collecting linens, riding around in a Penske rental truck. 10,000 homeless are being bussed to the Austin Convention centre tonight.

Blame Canada.

You win for "waste of bandwidth" post in this thread...and that's a first dude.

You win for "waste of bandwidth" post in this thread...and that's a first dude.

Yeah, I felt I needed to add something that hasn't been said.

Thats the greatest liberty of being american "dude" I dont have to give a f*uck. Haha, as long as I got what I got, can have my house, my family, and my wife I could care less about the rest of the world. I'm your typical American pig, I care about no one but those closest to me and myself, and am willing to step on anyones toes to get to where I aspire to be. Now dont get me wrong if Im driving my car and an accident occurs (which I have many many times) I will stop in a heartbeat to help in any way I can. However Im not gonna sit here and feel sad or depressed or helpless for anyone in another state that I cant do anything for....Simple as that.

However Im not gonna sit here and feel sad or depressed or helpless for anyone in another state that I cant do anything for....Simple as that.


Go donate some money and blood...Yeah, you "can't" help...
Try, I don't have the motivation to give a damn about others...I call that selfish, and that's not a solely american trait.

I mentioned giving blood and donating money earlier if I remember correctly.

Don't bother donating blood, I think all of Southeast Asia has got us covered in respect for our helping them. ;)

Maserati man, perhaps if you took the time to read what i wrote instead of trying to think of insults to casually toss my way youd realize i never said anything about not speaking out about "our" not your government. I just said it makes no differance, unless your rich, powerful, have your own army, or are a politicion your word is as good as my fist is againt mike tyson where its involved with having an effect on our government. This isnt Benjamin Franklin times anymore my friend, we are virtually powerless in this country in terms of being able to make a differance. If we trule wanted to overthrow our government do you think we actually could? Do you think the system wouldnt think twice to assign our own army to kill our own citizens if they tried to anarchy? No, they would mow you down where you stand. All I'm saying is that our government is pretty fu*cked up now. Not to the extent of other countries, just know that they really dont care about you. They just want your money and now and then your vote...Get used to it.

As for the Belgian thing
I should clear this up
I'm not really a Belgian I'm half Serb/Macedonian beter known as
Yugoslavia (that's right, the land you bombed in 1999)

uhh.. hey dude im not trying to start anything but the us had to bomb the Serb,because your president milocevick whaterever his name is spelled,was invading a country called kosovo,and kosova didnt have a big army to take on the serb.How would you feel if people from another country came and tortured you and your loved ones,is you went to school and didnt have freedom to even speak your own language,how would you feel if they sprayed gas on one of your relatives and lit him on fire made you watch him burn in front of your eyes,so the US had to do something about it,now im not even from kosovo,i was born and raised in Tirana,Albania but the things the serb army was doing to those people were not human,oh and when they bombed your country it was Clinton for president not Bush,again i dont have anything against you but i just needed to let this out....... and about the situation here is that they should have been prepared and its not bushs fault,but i guess they`r doing everything to help and try to save as many people as they can but this is only my opinion.:|

wouldnt it be ironic of your name was Katrina and you lived in New Orleans right now?

even better if you had been extra in that Denzel Washington movie about the boxer in jail

Kosovo is serbian territory, how can you invade your own country?!!!
It's a province of Serbia

terrible things have happened in the Balkans, not just between Serbs and albanians, but also croats, bosnians,..
but the serbs suffered too, people where killed on our side too
Somehow I wish we could live in peace together but I guess that is never going to happen

For the bombing Yugoslavia by America thing I completely disagree,
they didn't hade to bomb my country,
this could have been solved peacefully by negotiations, shure Milosevic was a prik, the Serbs knew that too,
but awful things do happen in war in a lot of country's around the world, not only ex-yugoslavia, but they didn't bomb the other country's that where doing the same thing
I think the whole war on Yugoslavia in 1999 was a propaganda war by US wich really was unnecesary

And I know it was Clinton, not George Bush
this been said, I don't want to argue about this anymore on SCF
I have discussed this matter over and over again with a lot of people and now I don't feel arguing anymore

I hope we can peacefully just talk about cars on this forum ferrarikid
I want to leave this behind me now
I respect your opinion as much as you respect mine

You can deny it all you want but it's beacuse of the racisim!

Everyone just ignore BAI's comments, he's a troll.

Thanks.

PS. Normally I'd just edit them, but since I put this in the test forum (I didn't want posts to count) I can't edit stuff...=/

Everyone just ignore BAI's comments, he's a troll.

Thanks.

PS. Normally I'd just edit them, but since I put this in the test forum (I didn't want posts to count) I can't edit stuff...=/


come on ghalos already denying it.:rolleyes: you know there racisist:p
DONT GET MAD, GET GLAD;)

Ummm...no?

Go somewhere else troll.

Okay, I come back after three or four days of being off of the forum... and I decided to look at this Katrina thread hoping to see some useful comments on what should be done about the disaster, or at least on some well wishes towards the victims. What do I find? I find hate filled flamming going on between users! I mean come on, how is this to honor the victims of a tragic disaster such as Katrina? I watched a piece on the news about a man that was in the flood zone, and was holding onto his wife, and two kids. His wife was getting dragged away by the current and she told him to look after the children and be strong as she was dragged away through the current. He lost his wife for god sakes!!!
And I come back to find all this bickering about Bush, the government and such. How is that going to help? It's not! Please have some respect for the loss of life, and peoples homes. I can't implore you more..... I think this thread should be locked if the attitude is not cleaned up.

come on ghalos already denying it.:rolleyes: you know there racisist:p
DONT GET MAD, GET GLAD;)

Yeah, he's obviously right. Jeez, it's so blatant that Bush hates black people. Man, he's still living in the 60's. George Bush is soooooooo dumb.

Kosovo is serbian territory, how can you invade your own country?!!!
It's a province of Serbia

terrible things have happened in the Balkans, not just between Serbs and albanians, but also croats, bosnians,..
but the serbs suffered too, people where killed on our side too
Somehow I wish we could live in peace together but I guess that is never going to happen

For the bombing Yugoslavia by America thing I completely disagree,
they didn't hade to bomb my country,
this could have been solved peacefully by negotiations, shure Milosevic was a prik, the Serbs knew that too,
but awful things do happen in war in a lot of country's around the world, not only ex-yugoslavia, but they didn't bomb the other country's that where doing the same thing
I think the whole war on Yugoslavia in 1999 was a propaganda war by US wich really was unnecesary

And I know it was Clinton, not George Bush
this been said, I don't want to argue about this anymore on SCF
I have discussed this matter over and over again with a lot of people and now I don't feel arguing anymore

I hope we can peacefully just talk about cars on this forum ferrarikid
I want to leave this behind me now
I respect your opinion as much as you respect mine

i have no problem with you or any other serb out there,because it wasnt their fault but it was the milosevic`s fault,in my eyes he is a dictator,and i too wish that we could all live peacefully and get along with each other,and again i came to this forum to discuss cars too,wat happened in 99 is a thing of the past so lets forget it,i respect your opinion like i respect everyones opinion here,because we are all people and it doesnt matter what race or country we are from..but i just felt that i had to get what i said out,..oh its getting and im tired as hell so lets just forget about this thing:).

well I hate the french.........And German rap music is terrible

Well I really have to give my opinion on this one. It is all Bush's fault before he was even elected I said U.S. gas prices would sky rocket which they did(humm wonder why he gets lots of money for high oil prices hummm.) And I said he would start a war over oil that would screw us which happened. Now that all our troops are in Iraq, they can't help us. Is Bush worried about hit by Katrina NO because he is in his last term all he is going to do now is build up a little fund live on because he can. Bush would be more thankful for Katrina than upset it's making him rich it made gas prices jump 20 to 60 cents. In a nutshell I hate Bush people talk bad about Clinton. Lets see Clinton balanced the budget(Bush screwed that to hell) Clinton had gas prices dropping they were around .95 for prem. And Clinton had unemployment down. The worst thing Clinton did what cheated on his wife and didn't want to get caught WOW!! At least he knew how to run the country. I would trade eight years of Bushes trashing the country for Chitons eight years of peace and prosperity and a few lies any day.......Oh and if you think Bush doesn't lie you’re funny it's politics...LOL
P.S. I've done what I can, I got my friends to donate and they have my best wishes I really wish Bush wasn't a jerk so they could get the help they deserve.
P.P.S. My city is helping to give those guys a place to stay they are going to be using our civic center. Everyone should help the best they can

Well I really have to give my opinion on this one. It is all Bush's fault before he was even elected I said U.S. gas prices would sky rocket which they did(humm wonder why he gets lot of money for high oil prices hummm.) And I said he would start a war over oil that would skrew us which happend. Now that all our troops are in Iraq they can't help us. Is Bush worried about hit by Katrina NO because he is in his last term all he is going to do now is build up a little fund live on because he can. Bush would be more thankful for Katrina than upset it's making him rich it made gas prices jump 20 to 60 cents. In a nutshell I hate Bush people talk bad about Clinton. Lets see Clinton balanced the budget(Bush skrewd that to hell) Clinton had gas prices droping they where around .95 for prem. And Clinton had unemployment down. The worst thing Clinton did what cheated on his wife and didn't want to get caught WOW!! Atleast he knew how to run the country. I would trade 8 years of Bushes trashing the country for Clintons 8years of peace and prosperity and a few lies anyday.......Oh and if you think Bush doesn't lie your funny it's politics...LOL
P.S. I've done what I can got my freinds to donate and they have my best wishes I really wish Bush wasn't a jerk so they could get the help they deserve.
P.P.S. My city is helping the give those guys a place to stay they are going to be using our civic center. everyone should help the best they can.


Oh yeah, I forgot George Bush controls gas prices. Man, I am so stupid. It's obvious that he pockets all that money too. I'm banging my head on the wall right now, cause I feel so dumb. I heard he also eats babies and little puppies. So, in my eyes....

-Bush controls the gas prices and pockets the money directly

-It's Bush's fault the people of New Orleans aren't getting the help they need. I mean, he was so late to react. He issued a state of emergency ONLY a week before the hurricane hit landfall. And of course, local and state government have nothing to do with it.

-Bush eats babies and puppies and takes candy from children.

-Hell, Bush created Hurricane Katrina using black magic.

-If Clinton was still in office, the hurricane wouldn't have even happened.

In closing, every bad thing that happens in the world is linked directly towards George Bush. Everything is his fault. The reason Green72chevy got an F in "engrish" is because of George Bush. I can't drink legally for another 4 years, and that's George Bush's fault. The reason we have to paint the side of our house is because of George Bush.

Oh, and he's racist.

Yeah, he's obviously right. Jeez, it's so blatant that Bush hates black people.
someone's a kanye west fan!
lol that was hilarious, did u see mike meyer's and chris tucker's faces?

Oh yeah, I forgot George Bush controls gas prices. Man, I am so stupid. It's obvious that he pockets all that money too. I'm banging my head on the wall right now, cause I feel so dumb. I heard he also eats babies and little puppies. So, in my eyes....

-Bush controls the gas prices and pockets the money directly

-It's Bush's fault the people of New Orleans aren't getting the help they need. I mean, he was so late to react. He issued a state of emergency ONLY a week before the hurricane hit landfall. And of course, local and state government have nothing to do with it.

-Bush eats babies and puppies and takes candy from children.

-Hell, Bush created Hurricane Katrina using black magic.

-If Clinton was still in office, the hurricane wouldn't have even happened.

In closing, every bad thing that happens in the world is linked directly towards George Bush. Everything is his fault. The reason Green72chevy got an F in "engrish" is because of George Bush. I can't drink legally for another 4 years, and that's George Bush's fault. The reason we have to paint the side of our house is because of George Bush.

Oh, and he's racist.
but mopar, bush is an oil man. he owned an oil buisness, and he has a lot of friends in the oil industry. im not saying gas prices are his fault, nor am i saying he eats babies, im just saying, its something to think about.

Well Bush isn't at fault for the rising gas prices, but it's a well known fact among Washington insiders that he enjoys a feast of baby back ribs every once in awhile.

I once shared your distrust of President Bush Maser. I asked myself (against my better, Republican-line-toting Hannitized judgement) questions such as "How do gas prices rise to $2.69 a gallon if we've occupied the world's 4th largest oil reserve? Whatever happened to the Gay Marriage Amendment the Bush gang touted before the conservative base pre-election 2004? Why do the few fences built on the American-Mexican border have steps built into them?"

http://hollandsentinel.com/images/033105/8505_512.jpg

At least you can take solace amid skyrocketing gas prices, multi-lingual driver's licenses, Cold War style war games between the Russians and Chinese, and bland, generic sports teams, my darling jingoist, in the fact that General Bush wages this "War for Democracy" in the dream of fulfilling what Charles Krauthammer put forth in 1989; an integration of Europe, Japan and America and a conscious depreciation of American sovereignty in the hopes of creating a New World Order!

God/Allah/Yahweh/Mother Nature/L. Ron Hubbard Bless President Bush! And God/Allah/Yahweh/Mother Nature/L. Ron Hubbard Bless Ameropan!

but mopar, bush is an oil man. he owned an oil buisness, and he has a lot of friends in the oil industry. im not saying gas prices are his fault, nor am i saying he eats babies, im just saying, its something to think about.

What am I thinking about then?

Men, you dirty ***.
GAY GERMS!!!!!1111

What am I thinking about then?
dont act retarded. i know your not.

Oh yeah, I forgot George Bush controls gas prices. Man, I am so stupid. It's obvious that he pockets all that money too. I'm banging my head on the wall right now, cause I feel so dumb. I heard he also eats babies and little puppies. So, in my eyes....

-Bush controls the gas prices and pockets the money directly

-It's Bush's fault the people of New Orleans aren't getting the help they need. I mean, he was so late to react. He issued a state of emergency ONLY a week before the hurricane hit landfall. And of course, local and state government have nothing to do with it.

-Bush eats babies and puppies and takes candy from children.

-Hell, Bush created Hurricane Katrina using black magic.

-If Clinton was still in office, the hurricane wouldn't have even happened.

In closing, every bad thing that happens in the world is linked directly towards George Bush. Everything is his fault. The reason Green72chevy got an F in "engrish" is because of George Bush. I can't drink legally for another 4 years, and that's George Bush's fault. The reason we have to paint the side of our house is because of George Bush.
Oh, and he's racist.

Well I may not be able to spell well. I can read and you apparently you can't. I never said Katrina wouldn’t have happened. I said that the response would have been much better if Clinton we’re in office because we wouldn’t have started a war for oil. The statement about Bush controlling gas prices is very true. He and his oil buddies only have to produce less gas to cause gas prices to jump. (Supply and demand) Oil refineries have been being shut down since he was elected the first elected. There were two refineries in Amarillo that are now shut down (Order sighed by Bush) I’ve read nine out of eleven refineries were hit by Katrina. Ouch!! It would have been nine out of 13 so, Five instead of three would be operational. Those are just the ones I know about. But there is no reason for a one dollar increase in gas prices in one month. I’m not blaming Bush for Katrina. I’m blaming Bush for that stupid BS "war on terror"or better named "war for oil" It sent our troops to iraq instead of keeping them here to help us out with Katrina.You can issue a state of emergency all you want if there is nobody to respond to it nothing is going to happen. I can blame Bush for my English grades which were actually high. He was the Governor of Texas before he was President. He started the TAAS test and TAKS test. Those are tests that if you don’t pass you don’t graduate. They are tests that you have to take classes on to learn how to take. If you fail that test with a 4.0 Average in all classes, you still don’t graduate. Basing your student on one test is such a great way to teach students. Teach them how to take one test and they will all be the greatest minds of our time. I have the facts and the numbers to back my accusations but where are yours to defend him. Greenday wrote a son for people like you and what is funny about it you don’t have to be American it’s called "American Idiot." You should check it out.

If bush wasn't in office..

i would be gaurenteed social security..

If Bush wasn't in office..

I wouldn't have lost alot of friends in a stupid war...

If Bush wasn't in office..

I could be proud to say I'm from the US instead of running around saying "I didn't vote for this moron"...



THANK god for Texas..
that's all I have to say..

It really is one of the few states left that are in general..NICE....
I mean people wise..

Southern Hospitality is showing in full affect there..
It's a horrible tragedy..
But I've given money and food & water....I can't really do much else asside from take a 20 hour drive to a water ridden state with my pair of 3.5 gallon pain buckets

Thank You, Driftster nicly put

Yeah, *applauds*

Nice job dude.

Still, I love America, and something I learned courtesy of a frickin' video game...yes, a video game...*stfu*

"Good times come and go, just like bad one's."

Hence, after 200+ years of national sovereignty, and slavery, two World Wars, national corruption left and right, a massive depression, terrorist attacks...we're still here.

And if I've got anything to do about it, we're not going anywhere but up from here on out.

Well I may not be able to spell well. I can read and you apparently you can't. I never said Katrina wouldn’t have happened. I said that the response would have been much better if Clinton we’re in office because we wouldn’t have started a war for oil. The statement about Bush controlling gas prices is very true. He and his oil buddies only have to produce less gas to cause gas prices to jump. (Supply and demand) Oil refineries have been being shut down since he was elected the first elected. There were two refineries in Amarillo that are now shut down (Order sighed by Bush) I’ve read nine out of eleven refineries were hit by Katrina. Ouch!! It would have been nine out of 13 so, Five instead of three would be operational. Those are just the ones I know about. But there is no reason for a one dollar increase in gas prices in one month. I’m not blaming Bush for Katrina. I’m blaming Bush for that stupid BS "war on terror"or better named "war for oil" It sent our troops to iraq instead of keeping them here to help us out with Katrina.You can issue a state of emergency all you want if there is nobody to respond to it nothing is going to happen. I can blame Bush for my English grades which were actually high. He was the Governor of Texas before he was President. He started the TAAS test and TAKS test. Those are tests that if you don’t pass you don’t graduate. They are tests that you have to take classes on to learn how to take. If you fail that test with a 4.0 Average in all classes, you still don’t graduate. Basing your student on one test is such a great way to teach students. Teach them how to take one test and they will all be the greatest minds of our time. I have the facts and the numbers to back my accusations but where are yours to defend him. Greenday wrote a son for people like you and what is funny about it you don’t have to be American it’s called "American Idiot." You should check it out.

Green day can lick my sack. Talk about sell out.

I still find it insanely hard to believe that George Bush is pocketing money from the raised gas prices. I just don't see how it could happen. What was his reasoning for shutting those factories down? Can you give me official proof that he actually did that? And I want it from a respected source, like CNN or something. Not from one of your hippy friends or the New York times.

And here in New Jersey, We've always had tests like that. They're called the HSPA's. We've had them since forever, and they work on the same basis as the tests you mentioned. If you don't pass, you don't graduate. However, the HSPA's are quite possibly the easiest tests ever. You start taking them during your sophmore year, and if you don't pass on section, you take a class that helps you and then you take it again your junior year. And if you don't pass then, you take it your senior year. It doesn't bother me. It's a burden we all have to go through.

This is pointless. We're not here to discuss the "war on terror" or any sort of politics. We're here to discuss cars. We both have different views on the same subject, and it'll always be that way. Arguing will only fuel a silly fued that will end up in nothing. Neither of us will conform to the other.

So I say we should shake hands and agree to disagree. Sound good?

(P.S. My comment wasn't directed just at you. I live in a very liberal state, and all I hear is liberal banter. I'm not saying I'm republican, I just don't like people blaming all their problems on one guy who really doesn't have much to do with it. Or at least I think.)

sounds respectable and very understandable.

i come from a very republican state and all i hear is how good Bush is when i dont see it. i saw Clinton as a good president that lied about an affair, not a bad president because he lied about what wasnt even our buisness.

but, if Bush cared so much about this country, he would have done more than just declared a state of emergency. no one knew how bad it was going to be, not even him. so, if no one knew how bad it was going to be, and they just knew it was going to happen, im sure no one made a really big deal out of it. if he really was responsible, he woulda done something after the hurricane hit, not before it happened. thats all i see.

anyways, unless you have something to say about what i just said, i agree with mopar. political threads dont prove anything because no one convinces anyone else. lets just agree to disagree and figuritively shake hands.

Hey..Mas...

Did you/your folks vote for Joe Arpio?

we cant, we are outside of Maracopa County.

haha, pink underwear...

but, if we lived in Maracopa, they wouldnt have.

good.....Yeah i forgot it was county....Dude he's such a douche...

i know. why take away cigarettes, magazines and coffee from inmates and then make them wear pink? does he even let them watch tv?

i hate people like that. they abuse all the power they have and eat up the publicity, good or bad.

He's built 2 jails in like 3-4 years and is building more..

The reason?

He wants Arizona to have the largest prison system...

He's said that himself..

You wanna fill in your brother from NJ about this guy?

Sheriff Joe Arpio..

The Sheriff of Maricopa County.....

This guy's been in office for a while now, and has absolutely no competiton..

He's set records for most overpopulated jails...

He's set records for most misdermeanor encarcerations..

He changed the jail dress code to pink underwear...

And the striped jump suits from back in the day...

They serve "green" balogna in the commesaries..but only in the nicer of the jails (durango, Lower buckeye(The newest one))...

However Towers,Madison,estrella,Florence..Still get crap food..

Florence I don't know so much because that's the prison....But Towers/madison/estrella are awful..

And now there is a strain of unkown staph infection going around the jails leaving HUGE holes in inmates..

It's disgusting

Holes in inmates?!?!? HOLES?!?!?! How does that happen? And can anything be done to stop this guy? Is Arizona turning into a dictatorship?

no, just Maracopa County in the Phoenix area. Pima County, where i live, is very nice accually. its annoying because we have the 2nd fastest growth rate next to Nevada. also, relastate prices are doubling every 6 months. when we bought our house around 10 years ago, it was like $185,000. now its valued around $450,000.

The holes in inmates are cause byed the staph infection..

It leaves a huge boil like bump with a "pit"....You have to remove the "pit" and that causes the cyst to collapse and leave a huge hole in the inmate.

My mom's a registry RN for the jails..so she see's all this dirty crap...

They're trying to write it off as spider bites.....but come on..
.
Oh..and by the way..a couple years back a young boy went to a summer camp and was killed.

He had asthma and the head counselor made him do jumpingjacks outside...untill the boy died..
litterally..

Well turns out that couselor was "well-off" as Kirstyn would say..

He's in jail and everything, but he gets to leave at like 5AM and doesn't have to come back till 11pm....So he pretty much only has to SLEEP in the jails

One more reason why NY kicks all your asses...

Arizona sounds bad, but NJ has to we worse in some way. Damn, this state sucks.

I'm sorry sean..

but just because YOU live there....is why Az kicks NY's ass...

GOO D-bACKS!!!!!

YANKEEZ SUKK(has a yanks hat on)

ya, we only gave you guys our pitcher.

hey mopar, check it out.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1915/bushvaca6ok.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bushvaca6ok.jpg)

Dude that's so messed up..soo funny...and soo enraging all at the same time..

I don't know what to do.."awww" "hahaha" or punch something

ya, we only gave you guys our pitcher.

hey mopar, check it out.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1915/bushvaca6ok.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bushvaca6ok.jpg)

Hahaha! Nice. I just laughed so hard I crapped myself. Seriously. :(

Damn, that is one sweet fish. You see, I get kind of mad when people just rip apart Bush Jr., because I never saw him being THAT bad. But Bush Sr. is just so silly. I mean, he's like a walking joke.

and to think i sat next to him in church one time when i was in Maine.

Oh yeah, I forgot George Bush controls gas prices. Man, I am so stupid. It's obvious that he pockets all that money too. I'm banging my head on the wall right now, cause I feel so dumb. I heard he also eats babies and little puppies. So, in my eyes....

-Bush controls the gas prices and pockets the money directly

-It's Bush's fault the people of New Orleans aren't getting the help they need. I mean, he was so late to react. He issued a state of emergency ONLY a week before the hurricane hit landfall. And of course, local and state government have nothing to do with it.

-Bush eats babies and puppies and takes candy from children.

-Hell, Bush created Hurricane Katrina using black magic.

-If Clinton was still in office, the hurricane wouldn't have even happened.

In closing, every bad thing that happens in the world is linked directly towards George Bush. Everything is his fault. The reason Green72chevy got an F in "engrish" is because of George Bush. I can't drink legally for another 4 years, and that's George Bush's fault. The reason we have to paint the side of our house is because of George Bush.

Oh, and he's racist.Hey Sorry for the late reponse I have been working. I Can agree to disagree but I'm from texas his home state i'm tired of hearing he is the greatest president ever. The biggest reason he was voted for here is is a "Chirstian man" so what does that have to do with how our country in run. Sorry for being rude I hate Bush it's my opinion and I should have respected yours

Hey Sorry for the late reponse I have been working. I Can agree to disagree but I'm from texas his home state i'm tired of hearing he is the greatest president ever. The biggest reason he was voted for here is is a "Chirstian man" so what does that have to do with how our country in run. Sorry for being rude I hate Bush it's my opinion and I should have respected yours

I think we have alot in common. We're both fed up with our surroundings, and we both strive to be different and speak out.

We're both the minority speaking against the majority. Stay strong brother. Stay srong.

LOL I agree i will stay strong U2