wich one you like best

me i love way better the spykers way nicer :D
this topic is for Alfa Romeo 156 GTA
because he say that spyker suck compared to alfa and ferrari

Spyker.
Alfa is nothing really outstanding (very common everyday car) and Ferraris are too common and cliches.

Spyker, definately 8) .

That makes it 3-0-0 for Spyker :twisted: .

By the way, McLaren, why don't you put a poll on the topic?

Spyker ofcourse, what else:wink:This makes is 4-0-0 for Spyker :D
got (again) pictures of all the cars(almost same size)

Alfa :

http://www.barons-auctions.com/cars/alfa-sz-main.jpg

Spyker :

http://www.ifrance.com/lmspm/24auto02/equipes/spyker/double12_side.jpg

Ferrari :

http://www.users.on.net/merlyn/garage/ferrari/f50/images/1997_ferrari_f50.jpg

lol Spyker has bigger picture, but thats because, most ppl vote Spyker

4-0-0 to Spyker isnt representitive I dont think -
I dont really see why Alfa's are being compared with Ferrari and Spyker :?

Since im not a fan of Spyker id chose Ferrari. Why do you guys prefer Spyker over Ferrari? - I mean Ferrari could never be called common Jim!

Mallon is right.Ferrari?Common?I think that Ferrari are much beautifulest and much better cars.Do you have only this picture of that... Spyker?Anyway I don't think that this car is more beautiful than Enzo.

I'd better not post on this topuic , but i can;t hold myself :S

What is this?? :|

Pfff!!comparing an Alfa with a Spyker seems to me that are 2 totally diffrent type of cars!!
Of course the Alfa wins!

But Compare a Ferrari to a Spyker? , well of course Ferrari definitly win !

And :S 3-0-0 f9or the Spyker?? 2-0-0 for Ferrari!!

Don't knwo what ur doing guys but , i think much people will disslike spyker only more like thiss!!

Hey guys you may be happy i don't translate that name , if they know what the name : Spyker is and then they look to the model , WHAHA ok!

get off next time with topic's like this please!

Just nothing more than stupid!

Just because most people like Ferrari over every other car, doesn't mean all people are like that. There are some people ( i know, not much. ) who like Spyker better. Ferrari is famous, Spyker is not. Ferrari has alot of money, Spyker does not. Ferrari is Italian, Spyker is Dutch. We all know that. That's why most rich people buy Ferrari's, not just because of their looks. They want a car that everybody knows, so they can say: Look! That guy's driving a Ferrari! But just because of that ( i also like Spyker's looks better. ), i choose a Spyker over any Ferrari. So please, don't give people bad names because they like Spyker over Ferrari, everyone has their own opinions. And by the way, Alfa, if you think this is a stupid topic, why do you post a comment in it? If you think it's stupid, it would be stupid to post a comment in it. It would be useless, just like you think this topic is useless. Go ahead, go pray to the standard supercars like Ferrari. But don't disslike people, or call them stupid just because they don't like the standard supercars symbol.

Ferrari 4-0-0

He was just upset!Look,if you like this car its your opinion.OK.But you cant say that Spyker is better than a Ferrari!Can you really believe it??If yes,my friend you know nothing about cars.You said it on your own!Nobody know Spyker.Because it's Dutch,because it's unfamiliar with other countries,because it's ugly...Take it any way you want!But they aren't better than Ferrari's.That's for sure! 8)

But you cant say that Spyker is better than a Ferrari!

Guys, i'm getting sick of this.... When you want to say something to me, then FIRST READ MY POSTS THE RIGHT WAY! Don't say i said: Spykers are BETTER. I NEVER SAID THAT! how hard can it be to read my comments the right way!?! Is it really that hard to remember a word!?! I said: I LIKE Spykers better, not Spyker ARE better! It's not hard to find out that Ferrari's cars perform better, I KNOW THEY PERFORM BETTER THAN SPYKER! I just LIKE Spykers better, cause they are different, they have there own unique style, Ferrari hasn't. They are the standard dream of every kid, the standard supercar, the symbol for it. Why is it so hard to accept someone's opinion!?! If i like Spyker better than Ferrari, then i'm dumb? Then i know nothing about cars? That's crap! It doesn't make any sense. If you think about it that way, then i'm not the person who knows nothing about cars, who's dumb. Then YOU are that person. Come on man, grow up, don't act like a 5 year old! That's just pathetic. For the last time: Ferrari performs better, but Spyker looks better ( THAT'S MY OPINION, NOW DON'T SAY I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CARS! ). If people know Ferrari, then they know everything about cars? One word: Pathetic, seriously pathetic.

WHY DO YOU REACT IF YA DON't LIKE THAT POST OF SCHUMI?
Your speaking quite much against yourself Dark!

YOUR @@#$ Complaining people are saying thing about you THAT you NEVER SAID !
g*dD*MN*D DO I DISSLIKE PEOPLE because they like spykers?

I only DISSLIKE POEPLE like you!
I vote for Schumi !! He's right!!
Your pathetic!
YOU don't know anything about cars!

Ferrari doesn't have an Unique style? and Spyker does have??
!@$% what are you ... craszy or something? You wish Syker have an Unique stule! They have not a own STYLE Their just UGLY!
Spyker build 1 car compare that to Ferraro who buyld hunderds of cars!
THEY have an unique style!! Spyker doesnt have that yet!!
And proberly they never get one

And u said to Schumi , Grow up , Well if ya really 13 what i think you lie about TOO , YOU have to grow up! Because you didn;t say thing HARD and youir right about that but if People said something that you said , you just created a thought like that You mean things how you said it but didn't really said it HARD!

Spyker didn;t have anything were they better on it! EVERYTING of a Ferrai is better than a Spyker , But The design is ALWAYS an opninion (altough opinion could be strange)


Ya don't know what your talking about , you could be mad on Schuimi , BUT HE WS RIGHT!! AND STRAIGHT IN WHAT HE SAYS AND YOU JUST TALKING AROUND A BIT ANMD DON"T KNOW WHAT!

Don't vry now : Ahh mamma on the sportscars forum they said i said some thing but that ain't true :x

Well u do just the same things you stupid@#

I DON"T DISSLIKE PEOPLE IF THEY LIKE SPYKER , I DISSLIKE POEPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE PATHETIC!

And i ain't pray for Ferrari , I pray that Spyker burn off to the ground , so this pathetic topic couyld be closet and Stupid opinion's like you have Take a Spyker over ANY Ferrari could be trow away AND YOU COULD BE FAIR TO YOURSELF AGAIN!

Well I'll take ANY ALFA over an SPYKER!

compare : Titanic (rust) vs. Spyker! 10 - 0!

pff I knew this is what i mean people who aren't fair They live in the Netherlands! pff thta's why i lisslike Dutch people!

GRRRRR NO GREETZ THIS TIME!!

FORZA EVERY CAR Exept the Spyker!

WHY DO YOU REACT IF YA DON't LIKE THAT POST OF SCHUMI?

This is something i disslike, not Schumi's post. I didn't say i don't like Schumi's post. How much time for you does it take to read words correctly!?! I don't disslike his whole post, i enjoy disscusions. I explained you i don't like it when people say that i said things, wich aren't true. And that's just what Schumi did. According him, i said that Spykers are better. Did i said that? No, i said i liked Spyker's design better, not that the cars are better. That's what ticked me of, nothing else. I didn't mean to sound furious or something, if i did, i'm sorry. And the things about calling him dumb and stuff, i apolegize. I didn't mean it, i was just pissed at the moment.

Ferrari doesn't have an Unique style? and Spyker does have??

This is what i call pathetic; You simply won't accept the way i think, you will not accept my opinion. That's pathetic. I accept yours, why can't you just accept mine. Ferrari looks good, ok, that's how you feel about them. But why can't you accept i like Spykers better? Now don't say i said that Spykers are better, i like their design better. And so what if i'd take a Spyker over a Ferrari, that doesn't make me dumb nor pathetic. You just can't stand it that not everybody likes Ferrari like you do, pretending like they are the best. People think different, live with that.

And u said to Schumi , Grow up , Well if ya really 13 what i think you lie about TOO

If you would grow up, you'll probably understand this. People don't only grow up by age, they also grow up by character. At that moment, i thought his comment was childish. That's why i said grow up. Not because i'm older than him ( wich i'm not, but you get the point. I know i'm only 13, but that doesn't mean i don't understand things that grown ups do. ).

But The design is ALWAYS an opninion (altough opinion could be strange)

Exactly! I tried to explain that so many times, but you just didn't exept. Would you please do so now!?! We have had many discussions about this, i still can't see why you didn't accept mine. Anyway, i hope you do now.

BUT HE WS RIGHT!! AND STRAIGHT IN WHAT HE SAYS AND YOU JUST TALKING AROUND A BIT ANMD DON"T KNOW WHAT!


I definately know what i'm talking about. Why would you think i don't?

Don't vry now : Ahh mamma on the sportscars forum they said i said some thing but that ain't true

Judging people by their age, now who's pathetic? You think you're king over me just because you're older.... If i haven't told you my age, i bet you didn't supect i was 13, be honest.

Stupid opinion's like you have Take a Spyker over ANY Ferrari could be trow away

What's stupid about that? Please, explain.... So you think different, you're opinion isn't like mine. Is that the reason why this is stupid?

Well I'll take ANY ALFA over an SPYKER!


Unlike you, i respect your minds. I'm ok with that. You like Alfa's better.... Do you see me making a problem of that? No. Then why do you?


compare : Titanic (rust) vs. Spyker! 10 - 0!

And you think i have to grow up?

pff I knew this is what i mean people who aren't fair They live in the Netherlands! pff thta's why i lisslike Dutch people!


That doesn't make sense. Truely. I am not like that. And many others aren't as well. Every country has their own people with each having their own character. Holland isn't an exeption, i bet Italia has unfair people to. Every country has them.

And Schumi, if you feel offended by me, i'm sorry. I really mean it, i apologize for my previous comment. But i hope you can understand why i typt all that....

you were reacting on schumi post then youget sick not before....

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Ferrari doesn't have an Unique style? and Spyker does have??


This is what i call pathetic; You simply won't accept the way i think, you will not accept my opinion

Well we ain't talking about opninions here bro , this are just facts! so? Your still pathetic!

You complaing about people do not read your posts very well!!
That's why this doesn;t make any sence , you just do the same!!
I DO RESPECT YOUR OPINION'S BUt i'll prefer a hard discussion if U gonna talk about FACTS ,, And talking not about the right facts!!! THAT's why i have a discussion with u!
Not bcause i don't Accept your opinion , THAT'S AGIAN totally bullshit!!


If you would grow up, you'll probably understand this. People don't only grow up by age, they also grow up by character. At that moment, i thought his comment was childish. That's why i said grow up. Not because i'm older than him ( wich i'm not, but you get the point. I know i'm only 13, but that doesn't mean i don't understand things that grown ups do. ).

Yeah i thought your post was "childish" i meant it in the same way as you do!!

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But The design is ALWAYS an opninion (altough opinion could be strange)


Exactly! I tried to explain that so many times, but you just didn't exept. Would you please do so now!?! We have had many discussions about this, i still can't see why you didn't accept mine. Anyway, i hope you do now.


Well i ALWAYS Said i did and do!! AND AGIAN , I accept your opinion!!! You were complaining about poeple not understand u right , well after 100th posts were i told yyou this you still understand me so please UNDERSTAND ME NOW!!!

I definately know what i'm talking about. Why would you think i don't?

Well because you said , Ferrari DON"T have a own Style and Spyker has , And that's OF COURSE TOTALLY CR*P!!!!!



Judging people by their age, now who's pathetic? You think you're king over me just because you're older.... If i haven't told you my age, i bet you didn't supect i was 13, be honest.


Well i SAID AGIAN in about 100th posts IT's STILL HARD to believe that your 13..
And You think that i try to be king over you , You mus feel pretty ****!
I"M NOT TRYING THAT!! I am Talking like this agianst you because you saying things like u do now, ANd your saying things that TOTALLY NOT right!!
THAT's why i have a ducussion with you like this! NOt because i'm older!

So am i pethetic? NO Your opinions and some reactions of you were pathetic !!



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Stupid opinion's like you have Take a Spyker over ANY Ferrari could be trow away


What's stupid about that? Please, explain.... So you think different, you're opinion isn't like mine. Is that the reason why this is stupid?


Well i would take an Enzo And sale it , you could buy 140.000.000 Spyker for it!!
And i think that's indeed something you MUST lie about It's really vbery strange if ya prefer a Spyker above an Enzo :S

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Well I'll take ANY ALFA over an SPYKER!



Unlike you, i respect your minds. I'm ok with that. You like Alfa's better.... Do you see me making a problem of that? No. Then why do you?


Well it's again strange you believed that! Alfa 33 vs A Spyker i was doing the same as you did hope you saw what i meant by that!

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compare : Titanic (rust) vs. Spyker! 10 - 0!


And you think i have to grow up?


YES! :twisted:

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pff I knew this is what i mean people who aren't fair They live in the Netherlands! pff thta's why i lisslike Dutch people!



That doesn't make sense. Truely. I am not like that. And many others aren't as well. Every country has their own people with each having their own character. Holland isn't an exeption, i bet Italia has unfair people to. Every country has them.

And Schumi, if you feel offended by me, i'm sorry. I really mean it, i apologize for my previous comment. But i hope you can understand why i typt all that....




Well I was VERY MUCH and ALOT in Italia and south of france , and i think the people there ARE MUCH MORE FAIR!! Give alot more about you then they are doing here!
The Netherlands : Fight for yourself! ,THE DO or they wanna help you but they only want to make themselvess better!!

Italia! : Help from Every side! , People don't getting angry about little things are , people are nicer! more fiath in each other!! Not sayin other things behind your back!

In The Netherlands life is going to fast!

In Italia they take alot more time for things!

but ok ,

I think i have to say sorry about a few things to!
Sometimes i am getting more angry because i stiill have alot of pain and yesterday and the day before i haven't sleep again!! so sometimes i could be angry!

But don't take that to hard to yourself! i'm diffrent!! :D

Forget about this ****!! Don't like it anymore!

It's 02.02 PM or AM?? **** i can't remember anymore! I thought PM! it is in the night right now , and i'm gonna try to sleep!

So guys take it easy!!

And again i dont dislike you because of your opinion!! But please don't promote it as much as yuou did you together with Dutch.. talk about other **** to and IF ya open a new topic , try to open other topics than only that Dutch car , i'll bet half of this forum didn't know this manufactures!

anyway ! Greetz Danny!

Well we ain't talking about opninions here bro , this are just facts! so? Your still pathetic!

The cars' performance are facts, that Ferrari's better than Spykers, that are facts. But people can think different about styling. And i was serious about taking a Spyker over any Ferrari, not only because of it's design. But you'll have something that almost nobody has, or even knows. When i own a supercar, i want to be different, no ordinary Ferrari.

I DO RESPECT YOUR OPINION'S BUt i'll prefer a hard discussion if U gonna talk about FACTS

I'm glad you respect my opinions now ( sorry, i haven't picked that part up before. ), but we aren't talking about facts. We are talking about styling, people feel their own way about styling.

Well because you said , Ferrari DON"T have a own Style and Spyker has , And that's OF COURSE TOTALLY CR*P!!!!!

Example: When you see a car that you have never seen before. As a car enthousiast, could you see when it's a Ferrari? Well, i do ( and i think you'd do too. ). I know Spyker hasn't got this, because it's producing new cars only shortly and only have 4 models, so Spyker will probably get it too, when it has produced more models.

Well i SAID AGIAN in about 100th posts IT's STILL HARD to believe that your 13..

I'd better start believing it, cause it really is true. You said my posts were childish, then why is this so hard to believe?

Well i would take an Enzo And sale it , you could buy 140.000.000 Spyker for it!!

You can get 4 Spykers for the price of 1 Enzo :wink: .

Well it's again strange you believed that! Alfa 33 vs A Spyker i was doing the same as you did hope you saw what i meant by that!

I did see it was kind of strange to choose an Alfa over a Spyker ( but not all Alfa's of course. ). But i thought you were serious, so i didn't made a point about it. That's how you feel? Ok, sure, why not?

Well I was VERY MUCH and ALOT in Italia and south of france , and i think the people there ARE MUCH MORE FAIR!! Give alot more about you then they are doing here!

Ok, ok. I believe you. But that stilld doesn't mean that no one here is fair or helpfull. Believe it or not, but i am fair and helpfull. Don't tell me that i'm not fair again, cause i'm serious. I am not.

Sometimes i am getting more angry because i stiill have alot of pain and yesterday and the day before i haven't sleep again!! so sometimes i could be angry!

it's ok, i understand. Good luck with recovering, Alfa.

But please don't promote it as much as yuou did you together with Dutch.. talk about other [censored] to and IF ya open a new topic , try to open other topics than only that Dutch car , i'll bet half of this forum didn't know this manufactures!

I was a RSportsCar member a few days earlier than Marshall. I first joined quite a few discussions before i made my first ( and still only ) topic: Viper SRT-10 -vs- Spyker C8 Double 12S. When Marshall joined the forum, he made 2 topics about Dutch cars and McLaren made another. Marshall also leaves pics of the cars behind in almost every comment he writes, not me. I made 1 topic, the very first. I don't talk about Spyker in any other discussion. I don't leave pics of Spyker behind in 99% of all my posts. I didn't start this Dutch supercar rage, Marshall did.

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Well we ain't talking about opninions here bro , this are just facts! so? Your still pathetic!


The cars' performance are facts, that Ferrari's better than Spykers, that are facts. But people can think different about styling. And i was serious about taking a Spyker over any Ferrari, not only because of it's design. But you'll have something that almost nobody has, or even knows. When i own a supercar, i want to be different, no ordinary Ferrari.


We were talking about the own style a Manufacturer have, and then were talkin about facts not opinions!




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I DO RESPECT YOUR OPINION'S BUt i'll prefer a hard discussion if U gonna talk about FACTS


I'm glad you respect my opinions now ( sorry, i haven't picked that part up before. ), but we aren't talking about facts. We are talking about styling, people feel their own way about styling.


Your right but i started this discossion with the BECAUSE you were talking sometimes about fact who really aren't true! I know styling are not facts that are indeed opinionS!

Example: When you see a car that you have never seen before. As a car enthousiast, could you see when it's a Ferrari? Well, i do ( and i think you'd do too. ).

YES of course i can see that i can regonize that Ferrari because they have a own style!!
And spyker don't have this yet! becuase i didn't have the time to build their own style!
We ain't talking about how fast you reginize a car! because how faster you do , how more than proberly have a own style!!

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Well i SAID AGIAN in about 100th posts IT's STILL HARD to believe that your 13..


I'd better start believing it, cause it really is true. You said my posts were childish, then why is this so hard to believe?


It's hard to believe because of your english! You don't want to see how i was talking english when i was 13!! SO for that : RESPECT!
The real age are not in combination of your behavior is quite childish!
You could be 19 or 20 and still being childish in your behavior ont his forum!.

You can get 4 Spykers for the price of 1 Enzo .


hmm i think it's a quite expensive car!!

I was a RSportsCar member a few days earlier than Marshall. I first joined quite a few discussions before i made my first ( and still only ) topic: Viper SRT-10 -vs- Spyker C8 Double 12S. When Marshall joined the forum, he made 2 topics about Dutch cars and McLaren made another. Marshall also leaves pics of the cars behind in almost every comment he writes, not me. I made 1 topic, the very first. I don't talk about Spyker in any other discussion. I don't leave pics of Spyker behind in 99% of all my posts. I didn't start this Dutch supercar rage, Marshall did.


Well , that could be treu but every were were i came , i saw DOnkervoort or Spyker topics and they make me sick! and i know i confused you and Dutch sometimes ...
But for e this wasn't just discussion but really just promoting Spyker and Donkervoort and that not the meaning of this forum of course!!
But Sorry if i confused him with you!
Kick Marshall's ass than ;) :P

Now i'm not gonna react about thiss anymore , i have to typ alot and getting tired of that :P

SO it's ok!

i'm gonna look the qualification of the MotoGP!

Greetz : Danny!

We were talking about the own style a Manufacturer have, and then were talkin about facts not opinions!

Ok, they are facts. Now, this part is closed.



YES of course i can see that i can regonize that Ferrari because they have a own style!!
And spyker don't have this yet!

Ok, sorry, i switched the 2 cars. Ferrari has their own style, Spyker doesn't. I apologize. Now yet another part is closed.

It's hard to believe because of your english! You don't want to see how i was talking english when i was 13!! SO for that : RESPECT!

Thanks dude 8) . I watched Cartoon Network alot :wink: .

hmm i think it's a quite expensive car!!

It is quite expensive indeed. I don't know about the other models, but the C8 Laviolette is around 250.000 Euro's. Don't forget they're handmade, by 2 employees each.

Well , that could be treu but every were were i came , i saw DOnkervoort or Spyker topics and they make me sick! and i know i confused you and Dutch sometimes ...

Yes, that was Marshall. I made only one topic about a Spyker and a Viper, the rest was Marshall's work.

But for e this wasn't just discussion but really just promoting Spyker and Donkervoort and that not the meaning of this forum of course!!

I never did that. I amn't the one who is posting Spyker's and Donkervoort's pics, that's Marshall's work. And i never intended to promote them, Marshall did. The only place i talk about Spyker, is on my topic. View Marshall's profile, then click on 'view all posts'. You'll see he was the one. I think you've confused us again :wink: .

i'm gonna look the qualification of the MotoGP!

I expected Rossi to perform better than he did, Biaggi placed first :? !

Wow, it seems that I really have to intervene now...

(this is the longest post I've written in my life, I'm sorry, but please take the time to read it, I think it's worth it)

Let me start off by saying that it sounds strange to me that DarkVenom is only 13, because I've sensed maturity in his posts (others would spam and post selfish crap, without supporting evidence), and as Alfa said earlier, his English is almost excellent, considering his age. My English was also certainly good when I was 13 (I'm 19 now), but I can't recall whether it was SO good or not... Anyway, it is good to see that there are 13 year olds who can think and write that way, because I mostly agree with him. He has my support.

Let me also clarify that I don't think I will ever buy a Ferrari or a Spyker, these cars are just dreams and I don't think I have the guts or the skill to drive these cars. I just WISH I could see, let alone touch, a car like that more than twice or thrice in my life.

Now, I've got a few things to say on this topic.

1. I do believe that it was wrong to compare Alfa Romeo with these other two companies. Alfa makes TOTALLY different type of cars compared to Ferrari and Spyker. So, I will drop Alfa Romeo and continue on with the comparison between Spyker and Ferrari.

2. Let's talk a little bit about design. Now, I don't think that there's anyone in this forum who believes that Ferrari makes ugly cars. Ferrari certainly makes some of the most beautiful cars anybody has ever seen. Please note that I'm talking about the majority of the companys cars, not some (few) exceptions that might be considered as not-so-beautiful. Still, I would never turn against someone who would tell me that Ferraris are ugly, because I believe that looks are subjective and every opinion is appreciated. I mean every opinion. So anyone who says 'oh no you're talking nonsense this car is more beautiful than the other' is actually behaving 'childishly'. So, Alfa 156 GTA, stop complaining when someone says that he would prefer a non-Italian car over an Italian car. You just need to state your opinion politely, without making too much fuss and without insulting the other. Do not insist on design debates. There are other aspects of cars that are as important (if not more) than design. Personally, I wouldn't choose my car depending on design, because it's NOT the first thing I look when examining a car. I'm studying to become an engineer (not a car engineer, but that's not important) so I mostly care about mechanical parts, quality and performance. And I'm sure there are others here who do the same. When ppl make comparisons, they do not compare just the design and nothing else!!

3. Now, about something that Alfa posted about the ppl in South Europe. Please allow me to know some things better because I live in South Europe myself. Things are not exactly as you posted them. People here are indeed more friendly and with much more hospitality, BUT (trust me) people like Greeks and Italians are somewhat lazy and not-so-happy to go to work. They also 'take their time' as you said, because they do not pay attention to the details and they just live to have fun. They are not productive. That's why northern European countries have a much better economy, and that's why they have a much better quality at anything they build. Houses, roads, cars, trains, even public services like hospitals, airports and hotels. ANYTHING. I'm telling you, on one hand I'm happy to live in Greece, because there are many nice things that I can't even start to write right now. But on the other hand, I'm really disappointed from my country because of the laziness and the 'denial' of the country to advance to a new, more modern and more civilized age. It's about the same condition in Italy, because Greeks and Italians have lived together for lots of centuries and they have the same characters. (It's also similar in Portugal)

4. Now, back on topic. Let's talk a bit about the Spyker. I learned about the company just recently, but I read the site carefully and I understood it's philosophy. It's just a little company that makes VERY FEW cars each year (25 in 2002), and they also personalise their cars to fit each customer's needs. Their cars are produced with the higher standards of craftsmanship and according to the newest demands of modern technology. Now, Alfa 156 GTA, you will say 'so does Ferrari', and of course I will agree. But there is a difference. Trust me, I can understand why you like Ferraris best. However, allow me to comment on something, and I think that DarkVenom will agree with me here: it is a fact that Spykers are not widely known. Personally, I learned them a few days ago, and believe me, I have quite a wide knowledge on cars. Anyway, it's a fact that very few people on this planet have ever heard about them. On the contrary, it's a fact that very few people on this planet have not heard about Ferrari. Now, given these facts, I will move on to number 5.

5. Alfa 156, I don't know about you, but personally, I'm not a 'trendy' type of guy. If something is widely known or sells like hell, then I wouldn't want to buy it. Talking about cars, I wouldn't wanna buy something that everyone knows, even if it is something good. Now, Ferrari IS something good, but it also IS something that everyone knows. It's so recognizable when you see one on the road. I wouldn't want everyone to say 'oh look, he has a Ferrari!' because in that case it means that I bought the car not only because I like it myself, but also because I'd like to show off. That's not good with me, because I don't like to show off. I don't have the need to compensate for something. All I want is a good car just for myself, and I would never run to my friends and say 'hey look what I just bought!'. This is so stupid and childish. That's also one of the reasons I don't care too much about design.

6. In that case, the Spyker is just ideal to me (if I had the money to get one, which I don't, and I don't think I ever will). I will give the reasons for that. First, I really like the design. Now don't get angry with me, that's my own personal opinion. Besides, I've already stated that I don't care too much about design. Second, the performance of the Spyker (I'm always talking about the C8 Double 12S) is much more than satisfactory, for I'll never find a suitable road to unlock the car's full potential. Third, I'm sure the quality is superior, because the car is 100% handmade and when you pay 300K euros for it, you couldn't get anything less. The most important reason, however, is in number 5. This car is so rare and special, that it would make me feel rare and special too! I don't know if you can understand me, but I can't phrase this any better. Having this car in my garage would make me feel great, and I would take care of it as I would take care of my son or daughter (if I had one), not just like an ordinary car! This applies to other things too. Don't you feel great when you have a very rare thing in your possesion? Or even a rare and very special friend or girlfriend? He/she is not like all others, he/she is special and means much to you. Not anyone can have this friend/girlfriend because not so many people like him/her exist! I still don't know if you can understand me...

7. Alfa, I'd also like to tell you something else. I've seen Ferraris 5 or 6 times here in Greece... Do you know what kind of people drive them? They are mostly 70 year old freaks!! So you know what I mean? Ferraris are bought by people who have the money (mostly old people are rich), and seldom by car enthusiasts who know how the car works, know it's history and it's significance and, most of all, know how to drive it properly! In other words, cars like Ferrari have become too 'commercial'... they are no longer unique and special as they have been. I know it sounds a bit stupid but, in my humble opinion, companies like Ferrari should actually choose their customers, and evaluate them before they sell the car. Thus, they could prevent stupid (but rich) people from getting a car that they don't deserve.

Well, I think that's all I had to say. I'm really sorry for the long post, but I needed to say those things. I hope that someone will support me or at least agree with me.

PS: I forgot to add this to the long post. Alfa is right about one thing: In the last few days, about 10 topics concerning Dutch cars have appeared!! Now this is not right... We've got to promote each part equally. So please do not start anymore new topics about Dutch cars. We have been more than informed.

(funny postscript: I wish I were a moderator!! :P :P :P :P :wink: )

I am getting really bored to read all of these posts/replies!!!You guyz(moderators) have to stop that!!!I don't want to explain or write anything because I don't want to continue this siht^^^!!!STOP THAT ANYWAY! :evil:

I am getting really bored to read all of these posts/replies!!!You guyz(moderators) have to stop that!!!I don't want to explain or write anything because I don't want to continue this siht^^^!!!STOP THAT ANYWAY! :evil:

Ive been getting alot of PM's on this subject.
So what do you expect me to do? If you dont want to read peoples opinions on Dutch cars then my suggestion to you would be not to click on the topic, all you have to do is ignore it. I looking over the boards there isnt even that many topic on Dutch cars.

I think its very unreasonable to blame me for something so trivial and of such little importance to the forum as a whole.
Dont like Dutch cars - dont read the topic. Allow those who want to share opinions on thire prefered marques to do so. I as a moderator can do nothing about this, nor should I. Afterall isnt that the point of forums.
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Jim,

Let me start off by saying that it sounds strange to me that DarkVenom is only 13

I heard such things before. And i'm still pleased to hear it :) , but i really am 13. I've said this to Alfa before, i know much 13 year olds are childish, write useless comments, spam, only irritate other people ( i don't hope you all think i'm doing this to. ), etc. But i don't, i never did and i am not planning to. I came to this forum to trade our knowledge, to have good, long discussions and have nice chats. Nothing else. Why should i even bother to lie about my age? That seems useless to me and that's why i judge kids of my age to be useless on a forum like this, even when i never get to know them. So, i kind of understand you, but i'm speaking the truth, honestly.

(this is the longest post I've written in my life, I'm sorry, but please take the time to read it, I think it's worth it)

Well, i don't mind, i actually enjoyed reading your post. I read the whole thing and i agree with every part of it, truelly. Finally someone who thinks about the same way i do :) .

Well, I think that's all I had to say. I'm really sorry for the long post, but I needed to say those things. I hope that someone will support me or at least agree with me.

I definately support you, Jim. And don't feel sorry about the long post, you just brought order to the chaos. It made things clear, more clear than any other post posted on this topic. It was really usefull. And i'm completely on your side, you got my support. That's for sure.

I think that's about it, there's not much more to talk about.... I agree completely. I really mean completely.

(funny postscript: I wish I were a moderator!! )

Well, you would be suited to be one. And about the lot's of topics about Dutch cars.... Yes, that is true. But remember, i only made one, i was the first that made on. And it still is my only topic.

Mallon,

I agree with you too. I also don't see the point of watching ( and answering to ) topics, that will only piss you off. And i'm glad you won't lock this or something like that, cause this is a quite serious one ( and because i'm enjoying it of course, but that isn't really important right now. ). I came to this forum to discuss, not to get angry, be unfair to people, or to run away from topics when it's intense. I think all other shouldn't too.

:arrow: Schumi:

Yesterday I spent nearly an hour of my life writing that huge thing. However, If you are bored to read the topic, then don't click on it. Noone has forced you to do so. You can post something without even reading the previous posts, although I feel that this is not right.

:arrow: DarkVenom:

I was only kidding about that moderator thing!! :P :lol: Just 100% kidding!

:arrow: Mallon:

You're right man. Just ignore the PMs from people who are biased and do not wish to debate seriously. If I were you, the only thing I would do is send a PM to DutchMarshall kindly asking him not to begin any new topics about Dutch cars, because there are enough already. That's all.

Me,personally I never send a pm to mallon because I don't really care if someone want to blame someone else.I didn't blame mallon or any moderator either!!!Sorry but this topic have to delete or close.That's my opinion in these...

I didn't blame mallon or any moderator either!!!

well thats the impression im getting from posts like this!

http://www.sportscarforums.com/showthread.php?t=375&start=60

This topic is being locked for obvious reasons.