http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8427/2007ultimagtrtakestopgetk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Ultima GTR720 broke the lap record in the Top Gear track held by the Koenigsegg CXX by 4.8sc. Record was made official by Guinness representatives. Props to Ultima for deciding to do this by themselves after a few rejections from the Top Gear show producers. One more reason I don't like the show. And they call themselves a car show..... yeah right!!!

http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/2007/top-2007-Ultima-GTR-takes-Top-Gear-Lap-Record.htm

Another British ownage car. OOOH yeah!

This car is as fast as ugly.

4.8 seconds is a considerable difference. This thing's awsome.

I really love the car and if i had money i will gladly buy one. We have to accept that this is no surprise when a British chassis is mated to an American engine. I loved when that happens...

Also someone in a Caterham, a few months back, broke it by two seconds or less before the Ultima decided to make the attempt. Don't remember exactly who it was.

Man I somewhat love this car. It looks somewhat like 962 Dauer if you look at it with your eyes squinted and is really a track monster. But, the interior is way too "basic" i'd say. Not something I would ever want to use as a daily driver.

I think if every manufactorer could send there own testdrivers to set a record the times of more cars would have been better...

Thats one of the things with having 1 driver, for every car getting to know it in a few laps, nothing more.

anyway, this made me laugh:

The Ultima GTR720 tested is a full road going car with compliant suspension and often used as a daily driver. All the vehicles produced by Ultima Sports Ltd have the usual road luxuries such as air conditioning, ICE, leather trim, sealed luggage carrying compartments and of course road car levels of ground clearance suitable for speed humps and other road obstacles.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2007/2007-Ultima-GTR-takes-Top-Gear-Lap-Record-Front-And-Side-Plain-1024x768.jpg

Now i dont know what kind of speed humps you guys have in england, but this thing wouldnt even make it out of my street........

Also, i dont see that as a roadcar.... look at the doors, and you cant even open a window....
Whats next, a formula 1 car with road legal tires and headlights?

Think i can guess why they never let this thing run on the Track....

Perhaps the suspension can be raised? If I could raise the ride height a little, I wouldn't have a problem using this out on the road. I don't really care that the interior is too "basic" or "racy". It's fun, and there's nothing in the car to distract you.

lol the car is under braking on that picture. See the difference?

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7922/ultimagtr720lai1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

here too?

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2007/2007-Ultima-GTR-takes-Top-Gear-Lap-Record-Side-1024x768.jpg

Now i dont know what kind of speed humps you guys have in england, but this thing wouldnt even make it out of my street........

Also, i dont see that as a roadcar.... look at the doors, and you cant even open a window....
Whats next, a formula 1 car with road legal tires and headlights?

Think i can guess why they never let this thing run on the Track....

the windows have a little vent that changes direction to let air in or out. they even have pictures on their site showing how it is reasonable to open the door for access to tolls and drive-through food.

the model shown in the picture above has what seems to be an optional front lip spoiler. the advertised model on their website does not appear to have this feature, though it may be available upon request. so right there you can add an inch or two to the ride height. it may also have an adjustable ride height, in which case it would certainly have been slammed for used on the track.

edit:

the under hard braking makes sense as well.

oh, and since these are kit cars the owners can do whatever they want to the ride height. it's difficult to compare any two from unofficial sources.

no but still is higher height than that of the other picture

alright .. I'll be the first to defend my favourite show.

first of all .. this is a track car and by no means a road going car .. you're comparing a track car to a CCX that 'could be' daily driven .. its got the proper set up and everything so obviously it can go about 5 seconds faster !

second .. yes it is a GREAT accomplishment, lots of credit to people who had designed this car and the engineering involved.
Track King !? erm .. try the Ferrari FXX or the new SLR 722 GT or MC 12 Corsa or Murcielago R-GT or DBR9.. man these ARE the king of kings ! I know you might be thinking .. yaa only cus these are based on supercar .. but seriously the technology put into these cars they are truly amazing just knowing what is in them.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/dbr905_01.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/10/murcielagorgt04_01_1024.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Ferrari/FXX/Evolution/Off1/Ferrari_FXX_Evolution_Package_MotorAutho rity_004.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/mc12corsa06_03.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Mercedes/SLR/722/GT/Off1/Mercedes_McLaren_SLR_722_GT_MotorAuthori ty_001.jpg

and lastly .. please stop bashing Top Gear, I know this has got to be discussed before but this is the first time i've voiced out my opinion. Top Gear is well loved by many because the presenters are the average car lovers like most of us are .. and the best part of this show is that they are not afraid to voice out their opinions, they have passion in what they do, and they love cars. Sure I don't agree sometimes with what they say .. and sure they arn't professional drivers so they wouldn't know how to drive the proper way. However, this is why its good .. most of us can better relate to them and they care about the things that most of us care about ! They're car fans .. they concern the driving problems that care about. I wouldn't say that this isn't a car show just because they don't go into the really technical things and how they wouldn't say things that Tiff Needel would say .. like how I don't like this car because it doesn't give the attitude or etc etc. That is why there are two different shows, they target different audience !! I don't like some other driving shows but I still appreciate them because they still do heck of a job giving the information that they're supposed to. Top Gear is just more mainstream .. but its still a proper car show !

oh, and since these are kit cars the owners can do whatever they want to the ride height.

And not just the ride height, this is the whole point why there only been once before a car like this on the TG track.

Dont get me wrong, i love em.
But imo you cant compare this.

Yeah and what alkys posted....

You dont really see that many road legal DTM sorta cars either.....

alright .. I'll be the first to defend my favourite show.

first of all .. this is a track car and by no means a road going car .. you're comparing a track car to a CCX that 'could be' daily driven .. its got the proper set up and everything so obviously it can go about 5 seconds faster !

second .. yes it is a GREAT accomplishment, lots of credit to people who had designed this car and the engineering involved.
Track King !? erm .. try the Ferrari FXX or the new SLR 722 GT or MC 12 Corsa or Murcielago R-GT or DBR9.. man these ARE the king of kings ! I know you might be thinking .. yaa only cus these are based on supercar .. but seriously the technology put into these cars they are truly amazing just knowing what is in them.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/dbr905_01.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/10/murcielagorgt04_01_1024.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Ferrari/FXX/Evolution/Off1/Ferrari_FXX_Evolution_Package_MotorAutho rity_004.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/mc12corsa06_03.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Mercedes/SLR/722/GT/Off1/Mercedes_McLaren_SLR_722_GT_MotorAuthori ty_001.jpg

and lastly .. please stop bashing Top Gear, I know this has got to be discussed before but this is the first time i've voiced out my opinion. Top Gear is well loved by many because the presenters are the average car lovers like most of us are .. and the best part of this show is that they are not afraid to voice out their opinions, they have passion in what they do, and they love cars. Sure I don't agree sometimes with what they say .. and sure they arn't professional drivers so they wouldn't know how to drive the proper way. However, this is why its good .. most of us can better relate to them and they care about the things that most of us care about ! They're car fans .. they concern the driving problems that care about. I wouldn't say that this isn't a car show just because they don't go into the really technical things and how they wouldn't say things that Tiff Needel would say .. like how I don't like this car because it doesn't give the attitude or etc etc. That is why there are two different shows, they target different audience !! I don't like some other driving shows but I still appreciate them because they still do heck of a job giving the information that they're supposed to. Top Gear is just more mainstream .. but its still a proper car show !
good point there , even if the ultima is road "legal" it isn't so road going as the koenigsegg , not that it is the best car for using in the roads the point is you can use the koenigsegg in the roads the ultima can't.
and good cars they really could beat the ultima record , but you forgot one....the Koenigsegg ccGT the GT1 racing version of the koenigsegg cc cars.oh and this white monster is under the minimum weight for a GT1 car so it have to run with a 100kg extra weight (that they can put in any part of the car).
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/11/koenigccgt07_02.jpg
i just want to see the Swdish revenge...

I guess the Top Gear crew maybe had some sort of discussion like this too....

You have to draw a line somewhere i guess on where the limit is on what can participate, else you might really see a F1 car at some point being all serious and happy about a record..

And before you know it, Bernie might want to claim the Top Gear circuit for F1 races to see wich of the F1's is the fastest.

Cant have that :p

without hearing an official reason for rejecting the car, i have to agree with top gear. it is a kit car, and as such a vast majority of the kits sold are assemled by the customer and the engines and spec can vary widely. some people do buy the pre-assembled model, but this whole crazy variety and the fact that most you will see on the road can have anywhere from 360 to 1300 bhp makes a place on the production lap board somewhat meaningless.

looking into it, i think the best you can do is buy a rolling chassis anyway which just needs a motor bolted in. so it is not a production car. i suppose that may be where the line is drawn.

Top Gear have had an F1 car do a lap there .. and the DBR9 has also done a lap there too ! this is because it would be entertaining because people want an actual comparison to how "fast" these "road going cars" compare to those track minded ones .. Their track lap time board is ONLY meant for road going cars and they've stressed that a lot of times .. Fifth Gear on the other hand .. have compared cars like Ultima with a Gallardo, and to be honest that was a bit boring .. because yah obviously it was far more superior.

Top Gear is mainstream and they need things that entertains their audience and to be honest they've done an incredible job !! check out other car shows .. like "motoring 2007" or something, they're boring as hell because they only feed info and nothing else ..

This isn't the only car that matches a European platform with an American engine with absolutely astounding results. I give you:
The De Tomaso Pantera
Italian design (same dude who designed the Countach)
Mid-Mounted Cleveland 351 (Ford I believe)
http://www.panteracars.com/8312007W1.jpg
http://www.panteracars.com/8312007W3.jpg

And of course:
Shelby Cobra
British Design
427 Cobra inside.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-stuv/Shelby-Cobra-427-blue-fa-lr-1280x960.jpg

It is still a road car so shove it. Unlike those track only cars you posted. The GT3-RSR is the same thing so anything more to say? No one cares what are our opinions abut TG so don't come here and spoil my thread with an opinion no one asked. Kit car or not is a fascinating machine that deserve to be put against any car in any CAR SHOW. Simple as that. I'm not talking about if the show is Crap or they're presenters too. A fast car is a fast car no matter how it was made or how it is classified... Tnk U.... Ohhh is a kit car so i won't put it on my show... Goshhh who cares if is a kit car!! Any show and i mean ANY, no matter where they are from that does this, aren't car enthusiast in my eyes....

It is still a road car so shove it. Unlike those track only cars you posted. The GT3-RSR is the same thing so anything more to say? No one cares what are our opinions abut TG so don't come here and spoil my thread with an opinion no one asked. Kit car or not is a fascinating machine that deserve to be put against any car in any CAR SHOW. Simple as that. I'm not talking about if the show is Crap or they're presenters too. A fast car is a fast car no matter how it was made or how it is classified... Tnk U.... Ohhh is a kit car so i won't put it on my show... Goshhh who cares if is a kit car!! Any show and i mean ANY, no matter where they are from that does this, aren't car enthusiast in my eyes....

I am starting to think you're just biased .. try to think of this with a clear mind. It deserves to be put against any car show .. yah it does I fully agree, but there are different 'types' or shows suiting different purpose .. It is a 'road car' sure, but really how road going is it ?!? SUVs like ML Cayenne and X5 are 4x4 but how off-roading are they really ?? We didn't say that its a kit car and that it doesn't matter .. i think we all acknowledge that it is a fast car ..

for those of you that watches Top Gear .. they presented an Aston Martin n24 in the first episode of this season and what did they demonstrate ? That car along with the Ultima and GT3 RSR are only 'labeled' road going car .. but you cannot live with them everyday.

You said that 'No one cares what are our opinions abut TG' yet you critized Top Gear with an opinion of yours .. so what you've started is meaningless because no one cares.

first of all .. this is a track car and by no means a road going car .. you're comparing a track car to a CCX that 'could be' daily driven .. its got the proper set up and everything so obviously it can go about 5 seconds faster !

Bloody hell wake up. Not a road going car? Well...why are these driven & road registered? This car can easily be 'daily driven'. It's got ''the proper setup & everything"?...that's your defense?

A Radical SR8 is a track car.


and lastly .. please stop bashing Top Gear, I know this has got to be discussed before but this is the first time i've voiced out my opinion. Top Gear is well loved by many because the presenters are the average car lovers like most of us are .. and the best part of this show is that they are not afraid to voice out their opinions, they have passion in what they do, and they love cars. Sure I don't agree sometimes with what they say .. and sure they arn't professional drivers so they wouldn't know how to drive the proper way. However, this is why its good .. most of us can better relate to them and they care about the things that most of us care about !

Sure...like anything that Jeremy Clarkson says dictates anything in the automobile industry. I bash Top Gear cause Jay Leno , a talk show host & comedians Tim Allen & Jerry Seinfeld know more about cars than these idiots ever will. And they aren't biased towards cars just because of where they're made.


They're car fans .. they concern the driving problems that care about. I wouldn't say that this isn't a car show just because they don't go into the really technical things and how they wouldn't say things that Tiff Needel would say .. like how I don't like this car because it doesn't give the attitude or etc etc.

Car fans don't trash cars , blow up caravans , get exotics stuck on driveway gutters cause they don't know what they're doing & they certainly respect others on the road. These idiots hold up traffic , speed & generally have no respect for any one else on the road.


That is why there are two different shows, they target different audience !! I don't like some other driving shows but I still appreciate them because they still do heck of a job giving the information that they're supposed to. Top Gear is just more mainstream .. but its still a proper car show !

No it's not. RPM does a better job with cars than these dolts do. Best Motoring is a proper car show. Top Gear is like a variety show with cars in it.

Some of you "smarties" are forgetting why its considered the ultimate track king.

You get performance that beats all major supercars and costs what?

Oh yeah for under $70k.

So anything against this car was just shot down in mid air.


IMO, I'd get the Can-Am

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/canam/pics/canam14.jpg

Fact: The Ultima GTR has a higher ground clearance than the Koenigsegg CCX.

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/gtr/specification.html

http://www.koenigsegg.com/thecars/ccx.asp?ccx=3

The argument that the Ultima GTR720 does not belong to the Top Gear power lap board because it is a "track car" falls flat on its face. Want to know why? Look at the position that Ariel Atom enjoys on the power lap board. The Ultima is more practical than an Ariel Atom.

Bloody hell wake up. Not a road going car? Well...why are these driven & road registered? This car can easily be 'daily driven'. It's got ''the proper setup & everything"?...that's your defense?

A Radical SR8 is a track car.



Sure...like anything that Jeremy Clarkson says dictates anything in the automobile industry. I bash Top Gear cause Jay Leno , a talk show host & comedians Tim Allen & Jerry Seinfeld know more about cars than these idiots ever will. And they aren't biased towards cars just because of where they're made.



Car fans don't trash cars , blow up caravans , get exotics stuck on driveway gutters cause they don't know what they're doing & they certainly respect others on the road. These idiots hold up traffic , speed & generally have no respect for any one else on the road.



No it's not. RPM does a better job with cars than these dolts do. Best Motoring is a proper car show. Top Gear is like a variety show with cars in it.

Yes, i'm not disagreeing with your opinions .. I watch Best Motoring and I also watch Fifth gear and varous others as well .. depending on what I 'need to know' I'll go to different shows. Top Gear is just more mainstream .. with entertainment as their top priority. Its like you're arguing over the fact WWE is fake and everything is setup .. great then go watch the UFC for some real fighting .. as I've said they suit different purpose and audience group.
How can you say that they're idiots ? Even if they say things that you disagree .. it is nevertheless their own opinion, not like they're false information. I don't agree with JClarkson bashing american cars .. I think it is unfair .. but hey, he still bought a GT40 and he appreciate good cars. I give them props for voicing out their opinions .. doesn't mean I agree with them. They arn't afraid to say what they have in their mind instead of being careful and saying things that might upset a particular group.

Yess this car can be 'easily' daily driven .. Of Course they are !! all you do is put a key in flip a few switches and off you go .. it doesn't need a team / computer to get it started like a F1 !! Point here is that you can live with it everyday .. the CCX can have different suspension setups .. Gear ratios and Differentials can be changed in other cars as well .. i'm not making the point that Ultima is specifically set up so you can't compare it to the CCX .. but please try driving the Ultima around the city .. its just impossible. Not that its inconvenient, but there are actually roads that you just cannot drive on to and impossible to bear. Please factor in the different conditions in 365 days before you consider what is daily driven or not. Tell me you're able to drive an Ultima in winter (I don't mean snow and ice) .. then yah u've made your point and I will agree with you.

^^^ Well put Nist.

The Ultima will always be a road AND a track car. It's not marketed or designed exclusively for track OR road use. But it'd be fun as hell on either.

@ Alkys - have you ever driven an Ultima? On the road & track?
How can you say you can't drive an Ultima in the winter if you've never driven one? That is a redundant statement.

You just stated in your above post that ''you can live with it everyday" but then go on to say it's impossible to drive under certain conditions...better check that again mate.

And when I mean 'daily driven'...you know what I mean. Don't just say 'you just flip a few switches'...it's NOT like any F1 car. This car can be driven everyday.

If you love Top Gear good for you...but don't take what they say too seriously. Their opinion is just that. An opinion. Not facts.

Some of you "smarties" are forgetting why its considered the ultimate track king.

You get performance that beats all major supercars and costs what?

Oh yeah for under $70k.

So anything against this car was just shot down in mid air.


IMO, I'd get the Can-Am

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/canam/pics/canam14.jpg

we know its a track king ... but some people here are arguing that its the ultimate road car ...

^^^ No one is arguing that.

You just happen to think this car isn't a road car. Well , it is.

It's a road car & a track car. And a bloody good one at that. No one said anything about it being the ultimate road car.

And dude , you listen to TG too much. Cause they said it's not an everyday road going car you believe that?

Like I said , until you or I or anyone in here actually drives one , what are we arguing about?

^^^ No one is arguing that.

You just happen to think this car isn't a road car. Well , it is.

It's a road car & a track car. And a bloody good one at that.

well okay, shall I rephrase then .. a car is legal for road use if it passes certain regulations of course they vary for different countries and places. The Ultima is classified as road legal .. therefore .. a road car .. but how street friendly is it really ?! Certain cars are said to be road legal because it passes emissions, noise issues, having proper signal lights etc etc .. yess it is definately a road car technically .. but how street friendly is it !? so can you really compare it to a CCX ??

I don't just plain listen .. I am a driver too .. I know what's important for a car air conditioning / heater .. isn't something for comfort ! you do need it .. try driving a car in the rain without a window de-fogger .. is it possible ?! its minor things like that. I'm not bashing the car or debating it over its performance .. therefore I don't need to drive it / experience it to comment on these aspects.

So you think that 806bhp is very easy to drive on the streets?
The Ultima is made this way. It's not meant for the road but for the tracks. It's still road legal though.

My brother has built race trailers for Robbie Bolger (google him). He turned up to his workshop in a 1000hp Holden Ute.

He took my brother for a drive to show him that it can still be used on the road as my brother had seen it on tv in the Aussie drift series. He said it sounded & handled like a 'tough' ute when driving in traffic & such & didn't feel like he was in a vehicle with 1000hp.

A few seconds later he did.

Robbie drove this ute. He also thrashed the complete hell out of it cause it was a complete beast.

The point is , car lover , that with the right set-up & engineering , a car with 806hp CAN & does get driven on the road. As can cars with 1000hp.

air conditioning / heater .. isn't something for comfort ! you do need it .. try driving a car in the rain without a window de-fogger .. is it possible ?! its minor things like that.

Ok that was a better explanation. Sorry , It just didn't cross my mind that that's what you meant when you said 'in winter'. I was thinking "yeah you can" lol.

Sorry for my initial attack...It didn't mean to come out like that.

I'm not sure that it's possible to compare to a CCX in terms of interior structure & comfort but in terms of all out fun & speed related stuff , they'd both be invited to my party.

Still waiting for the Saleen S7 TT to go around that track and rape everything on the board...

I am starting to think you're just biased .. try to think of this with a clear mind. It deserves to be put against any car show .. yah it does I fully agree, but there are different 'types' or shows suiting different purpose ..

What purpose is that? Still they tested an F1 car a DBR9 and an Ariel Atom. What make those cars any different? Aren't kit cars? Yet the Ariel Atom is since you can build it if you want and select different engines and register it in the USA and other places for street use if you didn't knew. Is that car any more different than the Ultima? Was tested in TG and is even less practical. Noble is in the pack also.

It is a 'road car' sure, but really how road going is it ?!? SUVs like ML Cayenne and X5 are 4x4 but how off-roading are they really ?? We didn't say that its a kit car and that it doesn't matter .. i think we all acknowledge that it is a fast car ..

If you come here to PR, I'll gladly show you those two wagons rallying and off-roading like any Jeep.

for those of you that watches Top Gear .. they presented an Aston Martin n24 in the first episode of this season and what did they demonstrate ? That car along with the Ultima and GT3 RSR are only 'labeled' road going car .. but you cannot live with them everyday.

I can live happily. Just cause they say they aren't you think all people in this planet will share his opinion? Now that is biased..

You said that 'No one cares what are our opinions abut TG' yet you critized Top Gear with an opinion of yours .. so what you've started is meaningless because no one cares.

I didn't criticized but stated the truth. Ohhh is a kit car yet they tested a kit car before. Why can't they give it the opportunity?..


I respect your opinion about liking TG. I just can't believe how pissed you guys get for such a stopid comment. Buahaha lol, now that is laughable....

Thats a race car with a roof!

like the CLK-GTR, 911 GT1,and few others...

alright .. I'll be the first to defend my favourite show.

first of all .. this is a track car and by no means a road going car .. you're comparing a track car to a CCX that 'could be' daily driven .. its got the proper set up and everything so obviously it can go about 5 seconds faster !

second .. yes it is a GREAT accomplishment, lots of credit to people who had designed this car and the engineering involved.
Track King !? erm .. try the Ferrari FXX or the new SLR 722 GT or MC 12 Corsa or Murcielago R-GT or DBR9.. man these ARE the king of kings ! I know you might be thinking .. yaa only cus these are based on supercar .. but seriously the technology put into these cars they are truly amazing just knowing what is in them.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/dbr905_01.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/10/murcielagorgt04_01_1024.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Ferrari/FXX/Evolution/Off1/Ferrari_FXX_Evolution_Package_MotorAutho rity_004.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/mc12corsa06_03.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Mercedes/SLR/722/GT/Off1/Mercedes_McLaren_SLR_722_GT_MotorAuthori ty_001.jpg

and lastly .. please stop bashing Top Gear, I know this has got to be discussed before but this is the first time i've voiced out my opinion. Top Gear is well loved by many because the presenters are the average car lovers like most of us are .. and the best part of this show is that they are not afraid to voice out their opinions, they have passion in what they do, and they love cars. Sure I don't agree sometimes with what they say .. and sure they arn't professional drivers so they wouldn't know how to drive the proper way. However, this is why its good .. most of us can better relate to them and they care about the things that most of us care about ! They're car fans .. they concern the driving problems that care about. I wouldn't say that this isn't a car show just because they don't go into the really technical things and how they wouldn't say things that Tiff Needel would say .. like how I don't like this car because it doesn't give the attitude or etc etc. That is why there are two different shows, they target different audience !! I don't like some other driving shows but I still appreciate them because they still do heck of a job giving the information that they're supposed to. Top Gear is just more mainstream .. but its still a proper car show !

i totaly agree with you TOP GEAR is the best car show in the world and i take their opinion very seriusly

What purpose is that? Still they tested an F1 car a DBR9 and an Ariel Atom. What make those cars any different? Aren't kit cars? Yet the Ariel Atom is since you can build it if you want and select different engines and register it in the USA and other places for street use if you didn't knew. Is that car any more different than the Ultima? Was tested in TG and is even less practical. Noble is in the pack also.

If you come here to PR, I'll gladly show you those two wagons rallying and off-roading like any Jeep.

I can live happily. Just cause they say they aren't you think all people in this planet will share his opinion? Now that is biased..

I didn't criticized but stated the truth. Ohhh is a kit car yet they tested a kit car before. Why can't they give it the opportunity?..

okay .. okay ..
I understand that you love this car a lot and stand by it because it is your dream car. Its great !! I'm not saying this is a bad car .. sure it deserves to go on Top Gear, I suppose you're unsatisfied that such an astonishing car doesn't get to be presented. Am I right ?!
If you check Ultima's site .. from quotes .. at the very end .. you'll see Jeremy Clarkson giving tons of credit to this car. Producers from TG aren't interested in putting the car on the show .. I'll suppose 1) it is not going to be popular enough .. therefore less entertainment value 2) they have much more 'exciting' cars to be presented and can't find space to put it in. I really wouldn't know the actual reasons ..

haha I'm not pissed at all .. this is a forum, forums are for discussions .. you opened up a thread and obviously u're gonna get some feedback both positives and negatives .. and opinions .. If I was pissed .. there would be swearing and harsh language in it

Really ! Do show me how a Cayenne Turbo can out rally / off-road a Land Rover LR3 .. I've been in and driven both .. I know their abilities !

As for the N24 AMV8 .. I'm not biased nor am I simply repeating what TG presenters say .. I'm just giving an example of how they demonstrated the N24 or similar track focus cars are not able to be utilized on a daily basis. If you're only thinking of Summer .. a little bit of heat and rain .. then you're not thinking of the whole picture. Experience a day that's 38 degrees celsius driving a car w/o windows and A/C .. I assure you that you will be hydrated and suffocate with the engine heat .. in winter days when the weather is 0 and below .. you have no heater, again you will freeze to death .. sure you can still drive around, some dude drove a MC 12 in the snow ! But he's only able to do so because he's got a defrozing windows .. wipers .. visible lights .. and a reasonable ride height all together. Yes you can drive any car on the road as long as they move .. but is that enough to be considered a car that you can drive everyday ?!? think twice

Edit* yah .. the Atom is a track car .. it wouldn't even pass safety regulation in a few places to be truly road legal.

Lol it is far from being my dream car. Almost everyone here know that the 360CS is my dream car.

You seems to add things that we aren't talking about. Were are we talking about how a Chayenne T can out-rally/ Off-Road a LR3? You jumped from a X5 to a LR3? What is next? an H3?

I experience daily driving at 100+F degrees every day, rain almost every day also and believe me, you wont stand a chance for an hour with the heat and heavy humidity this Island have as far as i see from your writing. I have also raced in those conditions. Winter? nahhh that doesn't exist here. The thing is that the Ultima does have holes on the glass to let air in if you haven't noticed....

I had to cars before the one i have now as slow as the Ultima or little lower. A 96 Eclipse GSX (Turbo-AWD) And an 87 Mirage Cyclon Turbo. I loved scrapping my under car on speed-reducers.. Sweeeeet.. Believe me. Height is not a problem where i live and the places I go...

Lol it is far from being my dream car. Almost everyone here know that the 360CS is my dream car.

You seems to add things that we aren't talking about. Were are we talking about how a Chayenne T can out-rally/ Off-Road a LR3? You jumped from a X5 to a LR3? What is next? an H3?

I experience daily driving at 100+F degrees every day, rain almost every day also and believe me, you wont stand a chance for an hour with the heat and heavy humidity this Island have as far as i see from your writing. I have also raced in those conditions. Winter? nahhh that doesn't exist here. The thing is that the Ultima does have holes on the glass to let air in if you haven't noticed....

I had to cars before the one i have now as slow as the Ultima or little lower. A 96 Eclipse GSX (Turbo-AWD) And an 87 Mirage Cyclon Turbo. I loved scrapping my under car on speed-reducers.. Sweeeeet.. Believe me. Height is not a problem where i live and the places I go...

my goodness .. this will be the last post for today, I'll add more tmr depending on what you or others reply.
I'm not adding stuff into the convo .. you're just not understanding it .. I said Cayenne Turbo and X5 cannot do off-roading .. you beg to differ .. then I would like you to demonstrate the off-roading ability that SUVs such as LR3 can do in a Cayenne Turbo or X5 .. X5 or Cayenne are just not meant to be driven off road .. hell even the RRover Sport can do better off-roading than Cayenne and X5 and ML. Period. Go to a dealership and I'm sure they wouldn't suggest off-roading on these cars either.

I used to live in asia where the heat is around 33-35 degrees around summer times and in city .. u cannot survive without A/C

See .. you're only refering this car to where you live .. and it wouldn't be a problem for you in 'where you live' .. scrapping the bottom of a car isn't something that everyone prefer .. I surely would want to avoid it. I can't lower my car anymore because I can't get into parking lots and etc .. that is a problem. If you're thinking only in terms of where you live and where you go .. then that isn't the all around / big picture. How is it really a daily driver car, if it can only be driven at certain places at certain times .... please respond to this.

That little hole does minimal difference in terms of cooling the interior ..

my goodness .. this will be the last post for today, I'll add more tmr depending on what you or others reply.
I'm not adding stuff into the convo .. you're just not understanding it .. I said Cayenne Turbo and X5 cannot do off-roading .. you beg to differ .. then I would like you to demonstrate the off-roading ability that SUVs such as LR3 can do in a Cayenne Turbo or X5 .. X5 or Cayenne are just not meant to be driven off road .. hell even the RRover Sport can do better off-roading than Cayenne and X5 and ML. Period. Go to a dealership and I'm sure they wouldn't suggest off-roading on these cars either.

I used to live in asia where the heat is around 33-35 degrees around summer times and in city .. u cannot survive without A/C

See .. you're only refering this car to where you live .. and it wouldn't be a problem for you in 'where you live' .. scrapping the bottom of a car isn't something that everyone prefer .. I surely would want to avoid it. I can't lower my car anymore because I can't get into parking lots and etc .. that is a problem. If you're thinking only in terms of where you live and where you go .. then that isn't the all around / big picture. How is it really a daily driver car, if it can only be driven at certain places at certain times .... please respond to this.

That little hole does minimal difference in terms of cooling the interior ..


They can do Off-roding. As i said before. Come here to PR and i will gladly show you. Just cause Dealership or certain people say is not recommended doesn't mean they can't...

The car was tested for that MATTER in a lot of places worldwide. Why will they say it is if they knew it is not?:rolleyes:

Porsche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OGpnfYOrAs

Bmw even giving tours
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khzf9kUPIPk

LR3 crappy driver lol
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6903059641762297898

ML
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXGF2M-oJs

Is not the owners fault if the factory equipped the cars with crappy tires. I do know what you mean they aren't meant to but the thing is they can Off-road without any problems... Anyway we are far out of the topic. Lets get back to it...

I used to live in asia where the heat is around 33-35 degrees around summer times and in city .. u cannot survive without A/C

See .. you're only refering this car to where you live .. and it wouldn't be a problem for you in 'where you live' .. scrapping the bottom of a car isn't something that everyone prefer .. I surely would want to avoid it. I can't lower my car anymore because I can't get into parking lots and etc .. that is a problem. If you're thinking only in terms of where you live and where you go .. then that isn't the all around / big picture. How is it really a daily driver car, if it can only be driven at certain places at certain times .... please respond to this.

That little hole does minimal difference in terms of cooling the interior ..

I used to live in Australia where the summer heat did get up to 45 degrees and I did live without air con.

People lived for decades with no type of air con or heater in their cars, why could we?
Do bikers have any sort of climate control?
I see people riding their bikes year round here, and thats in Switzerland.

Considering it has a higher ride height than the K-segg, I don't see any reason why this shouldn't be on the board/show. I mean its even got better rain protection than the Atom.

Yes, i'm not disagreeing with your opinions .. I watch Best Motoring and I also watch Fifth gear and varous others as well .. depending on what I 'need to know' I'll go to different shows. Top Gear is just more mainstream .. with entertainment as their top priority. Its like you're arguing over the fact WWE is fake and everything is setup .. great then go watch the UFC for some real fighting .. as I've said they suit different purpose and audience group.
How can you say that they're idiots ? Even if they say things that you disagree .. it is nevertheless their own opinion, not like they're false information. I don't agree with JClarkson bashing american cars .. I think it is unfair .. but hey, he still bought a GT40 and he appreciate good cars. I give them props for voicing out their opinions .. doesn't mean I agree with them. They arn't afraid to say what they have in their mind instead of being careful and saying things that might upset a particular group.

Yess this car can be 'easily' daily driven .. Of Course they are !! all you do is put a key in flip a few switches and off you go .. it doesn't need a team / computer to get it started like a F1 !! Point here is that you can live with it everyday .. the CCX can have different suspension setups .. Gear ratios and Differentials can be changed in other cars as well .. i'm not making the point that Ultima is specifically set up so you can't compare it to the CCX .. but please try driving the Ultima around the city .. its just impossible. Not that its inconvenient, but there are actually roads that you just cannot drive on to and impossible to bear. Please factor in the different conditions in 365 days before you consider what is daily driven or not. Tell me you're able to drive an Ultima in winter (I don't mean snow and ice) .. then yah u've made your point and I will agree with you.
that is the point , the CCX is a road car that can be used in a track , the Ultima is a track car that can be used in a road.Off corse the CCX isn't the best car in the world to be used in the roads but you can use it and just look to the interiors of both cars and you will see the diference of finishing , quality of the material and style what matter in a road car but don't make no diference in a racing one.

Lol...I find Ultimas all overrated..."OMG...they faster than CCX!!!11!!! Like OMG!!!!" Dude!!! Get real, A custom Nissan Skyline GT-R could probably own that thing...:p

anything custom can be made to own the Ultima still will cost double than what the Ultima cost, but we aren't talking about custom cars. tnk u...

Still waiting for the Saleen S7 TT to go around that track and rape everything on the board...

Except for the fact that they would NEVER accept an all out American supercar to embarass the big dogs. Hmmmm... they could get an Enzo, an MC12, and a CCX but no S7, ever? I don't think its because they couldn't find one.

i totaly agree with you TOP GEAR is the best car show in the world and i take their opinion very seriusly

Hahahahahahahahahaha, literally LAUGH OUT LOUD funny.

alright .. I'll be the first to defend my favourite show.

first of all .. this is a track car and by no means a road going car .. you're comparing a track car to a CCX that 'could be' daily driven .. its got the proper set up and everything so obviously it can go about 5 seconds faster !

second .. yes it is a GREAT accomplishment, lots of credit to people who had designed this car and the engineering involved.
Track King !? erm .. try the Ferrari FXX or the new SLR 722 GT or MC 12 Corsa or Murcielago R-GT or DBR9.. man these ARE the king of kings ! I know you might be thinking .. yaa only cus these are based on supercar .. but seriously the technology put into these cars they are truly amazing just knowing what is in them.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/dbr905_01.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/10/murcielagorgt04_01_1024.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Ferrari/FXX/Evolution/Off1/Ferrari_FXX_Evolution_Package_MotorAutho rity_004.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/mc12corsa06_03.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Mercedes/SLR/722/GT/Off1/Mercedes_McLaren_SLR_722_GT_MotorAuthori ty_001.jpg

and lastly .. please stop bashing Top Gear, I know this has got to be discussed before but this is the first time i've voiced out my opinion. Top Gear is well loved by many because the presenters are the average car lovers like most of us are .. and the best part of this show is that they are not afraid to voice out their opinions, they have passion in what they do, and they love cars. Sure I don't agree sometimes with what they say .. and sure they arn't professional drivers so they wouldn't know how to drive the proper way. However, this is why its good .. most of us can better relate to them and they care about the things that most of us care about ! They're car fans .. they concern the driving problems that care about. I wouldn't say that this isn't a car show just because they don't go into the really technical things and how they wouldn't say things that Tiff Needel would say .. like how I don't like this car because it doesn't give the attitude or etc etc. That is why there are two different shows, they target different audience !! I don't like some other driving shows but I still appreciate them because they still do heck of a job giving the information that they're supposed to. Top Gear is just more mainstream .. but its still a proper car show !

first off half the cars you just mentioned are non legal purpose built race cars.... so comparing the CCX and ultima to them is not exactly fair, the porsche 911 997GT3RSR would then count along w/ the Ascari A10, ferrari f50GT, koenigsegg gt1 or w/e (as mentioned by swedish br) and the list goes on. so yes a car built to race on the track and not drive on the streets is the ultimate track king. id certinly hope so. and if this is the case, then the porsche rs spydre is the ultimate track king along w/ the audi a10 and acura lmp2. and dont forget the mclaren mp4-22. this is not the relm of 'track cars' being discussed w/ the ccx/ ultima.

second you say its the closest thing without open wheels to a F1 car, well that would be the Caparo T1

and i have no doubt this record wont last long as the caparo t1 should beat it by a noticable amount



AND SPEAKING OF TOP GEAR, we watched a video on ultra violent alkaline earth metals in AP Chemistry and guess who was the host, non other then richard hammond. i was like "THATS RICHARD HAMMOND!!! WTF????" everyone was like "what?!?!?" one other top gearer knew who he was

it was a stich tho, made my day

oh no .. by no means did I want to compare the Ultima with those supreme cars .. I was simply saying that the Ultima is the king of tracks, no questions there .. but of course, beauty of 'car's is that if you put effort and heart into custom building one .. you can definately create a beast. The FXX and 722 just came out, and went pass my mind for a bit .. and stated that these are the kings of kings. Of course they cannot be compared .. maybe read a bit more carefully.

Edit . Ultimas arn't overrated .. none of us who had not driven the car should not comment the car in this perspective. I appreciate what they have done to create this car, and its nevertheless original .. those who made it put heart and soul into it so don't say things like that.

And yes .. there are much more track focus cars and the list does go on and on and on .. just give one example from every brand is already overwhelming.

Haha I do think this car is somewhat ugly .. well okay .. its not appealing to me ! i'll restate ..
but would you think that they deliberately made the car 'not as good looking' so then they scare away drivers that just buys a car to show off ?? or did they just not care about whether or not it would be good looking because that isn't why this car is made.

Track King !? erm .. try the Ferrari FXX or the new SLR 722 GT or MC 12 Corsa or Murcielago R-GT or DBR9.. man these ARE the king of kings
you just contradicted yourself but i forgive you;)

I love the Ultima, it's a Le Mans car in cartoon!

As someone said, it's very 962 with it's bubble top, and I'd take one over the Koenigsegg, think of the money I'd save!

I think money is what buys you a place on the Top Gear table. The more money the company pays out/ the more priveleges the company gives, the better review it seems to get. The show is a bit of a farce, it needs to be more 5th gear than slapstic comedy.

Chris.

^ Do you really think a bloke like Clarkson would lie about his real feelings on a car because of some money? :|

Nor would May... He's the biggest nerd going!!

I love the Ultima, it's a Le Mans car in cartoon!

As someone said, it's very 962 with it's bubble top, and I'd take one over the Koenigsegg, think of the money I'd save!

I think money is what buys you a place on the Top Gear table. The more money the company pays out/ the more priveleges the company gives, the better review it seems to get. The show is a bit of a farce, it needs to be more 5th gear than slapstic comedy.

Chris.

I doubt the Top Gear BBC producers would me tempted by bribery from the companies themselves...