I know a lot of you are adamantly opposed to illegal street racing (as opposed to legal, lol)... But I must say, some people here like to shift their opinions, suiting the specific crowd. Plus, many will say street racing is dumb, a waste of time, and a person whos street racing is looking to die. However, about 80% of you guys talk about excessive speeding on the highway or private roads...What the hell is the difference between you going 120mph on a highway or street and the guy racing someone next to him doing 120mph? Nothing. Except for a small portion admit that it's a rush, while others act like sheep and agree with what everyone else says. I hope you guys know that you all have individual neural connections in your brains, and I also hope you guys actually have the balls to use them independently. If not, grow a brainstem. There is NO difference between street racers and people who speed on public/private roads.

Ok, based on how dumb racing on public roads is at twice the limit and me going twice the speed around public roads and me bitching about one and glorifying the other, I feel that was aimed at me.

So, let me clarify my stance on street racing. I feel that it is indeed a way to get alot of fun and a rush, but when people try to say it's talent requiring. That's when I get pissed, my ass can do 150 mph on a public road if I had to. (me, not my car :cry: )
The reason I do it is for the fun of it, there's a huge difference in my eyes of where I do it. I drive about 20 miles east of here to the next county where it's nothing but two lane country roads and a population of 4 per square mile. I can go 100mph+ out there on straightaways at noon and not worry about cars pulling out in front of me. The only thing I've got to worry about is some wildlife waling in front of me. And even then, at that speed, it's not gonna jostle my car. (Unless it's a deer, then I'm boned no matter how fast I was going).

The only time I ever actually do this on the highway is when I see something really spectacular driving, like that Boxster and CLK55AMG that I wrote about. And even then, I keep my distance, I was going maybe 70 in a 45 at the highest. The driver of the Mercedes was hitting closer to 100. THAT's dangerous. I was going maybe 15 mph faster than traffic.

So look, I know the difference between fools who think they know how to hit an apex on a track and those who actually take it to the track and actually HIT the apex.
And honestly, if you wanna tell me going an average speed of 65 mph in a 55mph zone out in the middle of nowhere is dangerous, fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But at least I'm putting only myself at risk. I don't even take anyone else along for these rides, I dont' go in convoys of ten, twenty, thirty cars. I don't weave in and out of 3 lanes of SUV's which sure as hell aren't nimble at 80 mph. I at least try to minimize any damage I can do by taking it out to the middle of nowhere. And if I could get to racetrack, trust me, I would. But the closest one is Lime Rock, and that's only open to private organizations.

Either way, people can change their opinions all they want, if they didn't it's called being a stubborn dumbass, like a certain man of a "shrubbery". :wink:

If you feel like what I said suits you, then i was probably talking to you lolol. But i didnt have you in mind :) It was a general statement that I picked up, not from just you, but from everyone that answers. Hope i didnt offend anyone, i just want people to know its okay to be yourself





119mph in my civic today!!! hahah

I think you might have direct this thread towards me becaused i said that "on the track, for all you streetracer ***s)

Heres my viewpoint on streetracing/racers

Street Racing: One of the stupidest concepts I've heard of, you race against other people ILLEGALLY on the streets, so your going with in inches of pedestrians and other motorists, its extremely dangerous since most of the time you are going 110+ at night on public roads. I suppose the only good thing out of this is the fact that you can make or lose money very quickly. Now, after the fast and the furious, and 2fast 2furious came out, every single 16 -18 year old guy thinks that he's paul walker or vin deisle, so they race in their cars that arent remotely capable of the power they put in them and this is part of the reason they get in some many accidents (and why my insurance is going to be uber high). So in the end you have a bunch of kids with wrecked cars and big tickets. I just think it's incredibly stupid.

Here's my alternative to getting that 'rush': Track Racing, You can zoom around the track going as fast as your car can go without worrying about hitting motorists (who arent racing against you) or pedestrians. Also - tracks dont have things like oncoming traffic, intersections, POLICE, you name it. Though for the inexperienced, track racing is dangerous, its not nearly as dangerous and stupid as street racing. Although, i have to admit, last night when we were in our db7 gt it was quite the adrenaline rush when a AC Schnitzer 760Li pulled up next to us on the street and revved the engine, but it being fun doesnt make it smart or right.

Also - I cant think of a night that my dad has not been challenged to a race while driving in his 355 berlinitta, because every damn kid has seen the fast and the furoius and think they can beat a 355 just like paul walker did. Whats funny, is that he has yet to loose a race against a kid in a zx, civic, supra, r32 skyline, eclipse, prelude, you name it.

And no matter what you say, driving 180+ on a track in the db7 is way more of a 'rush' than racing on the highway, (stop light to stop light i think we got up to around 145)

A reasonably well driven ZX or R32 should beat a 355, you live near retarded drivers apparently. Not including Attaus of course. :D

As for Le CivicProject, yeah, no problem man, but I felt I should just clarify my stance anyways.

obviously i'm harsh on street racers, hence my signature. Perhaps i need to explain myself better.

Street racing and speeding in general is dangerous and unhealthy. There are better ways of filling the adreneline rush. Can we all agree on that? Good, lets move on. Since street racing is illegal and unsafe, i dont not promote it, for i am a sane person and do not wish to go to jail, and i would not like to see any of you go to jail or die or get hurt at my hand. However, this is not my reason for hating street racing. I have no problem with a guy pulling up at a stop light and revving his engine and waiting for the light to turn green and then burn down the street to the next light. Nor do i have a problem with a guy zig zagging through traffic racing another guy down the highway. I will not celebrate it, but i'm not going to be pissed that an act like that is being committed.

The reason i hate street racing is not for the racing itself, but for everything else surrounding it. I hate the stereotypical cars, paint jobs, overly disgusting body kits, stupid music, subjectification of women, violence, burnouts, car hopping. Stuff of that nature druves me nuts. It's not real. It's a fad that has something to do with cars. If your really into cars, then you'll agree with me on this. The street racing lifestyle is just plain silly. It's making the car hobby seem childish and idiotic. I can't stand that.

It's just like my profile says : "street racing is like kissing your sister. It just doesn't make sense". And it doesn't when there are other forms of amatuer motorsports. But thats not the reason i hate it.

I dont support street racing b/c it dangers other ppl and its very unsafe keep it on the track please!

what about go fast in public roads with someone you don't know(without money) ?
hunting for fun!

Anything crazy done on public roads is just plain dangerous... that's my opinion.

Anything crazy done on public roads is just plain dangerous... that's my opinion.
thats why it's fun because of the danger.

When you crash it will not be fun at all!!

I am not promoting street racing. I am trying to get people to look at themselves and what they say. I also never said anything about Track racing. My question was, and pretty obvious, the people who make fun of others for street racing, unintelligbly ebrace the sport by seeing a guy on the highway driving fast and you want to keep up with him, or beat him. And for all of you who don't agree with street racing, take a history book, and read how motor racing started off as street racing, then evolved to track. Again, I'm not opposing track racing, but what I am trying to do is let people know that despite their own virtues, their 'ethics', many of us will turn on them for 12 seconds of rush when racing against another car on the street. I swear with some of the opinions that come out on this forum, people believe their **** dont stink. I do street racing and it's not for the hype. It's because I dont feel like driving an hour and a half to get to a track and I have buddies I do it with, and the people that do it on public ways with people are stupid, not every racer does that... They aren't FnF or 2F2F either. I think these movies are a way for other people to hate tacky styles. Personally if you guys didnt have FnF to set blame on, what would you blame next? Dukes of Hazard? Starsky and Hutch? Grand theft Auto? Gone in 60 seconds ? Oh how about Need for Speed?
These stereotypes are immature and hold no water, because if you really THINK about it, some driving obsession has to start somewhere, but its too easy to point on the obvious, tacky movie. What you should blame 2f2f or whatever on is the Compact subculture, not no goddamn street racing fad.

Back to the original question, going 120mph on a public road IS street racing. It IS endangering the public. You ARE risking your own life. If you want to drive fast and impress people that are into the hobby, take it to the track. Im sure that some street racers speed on the highway to impress the other drivers. IMO atleast. :roll: The thing is, I've ridden with the everyday driver and they HATE it. They (including myself) think they look like a fool because generally the car SUCKS. It has been a rare occasion that I see a nice car pulling out of a parking lot or stop light, but when I do, I usually never say anything. Im too busy drooling. Street racing is not only stupid, its ILLEGAL. You will get arrested and fined in the process. I would much prefer shredding up my tires around the track at D1GP.

Touche. :)

When you crash it will not be fun at all!!
***** happens

well it wont happen if you dont go fast on the streets!!!! Simple as that.

Yeah ***** will still happen if you dont drive fast on public roads[/quote]

The best racing is rally racing. Exactly why i baught an Evo

did you not just say in another thread that the best was streetracing.... i'm confused,also - this is for STREET RACING HYPOCRITICS, not to talk about rally racing in the evo you wish you owned....

well it wont happen if you dont go fast on the streets!!!! Simple as that.
it simple but i don't want to be slow i like to be fast..... :D anyware

Is street racing dangerous?

Certainly it can be, if practiced by idiots.
Anyone who races in traffic is a moron. I was almost killed last month by a couple of street racers. The first one passed me (on a twisty, 2 lane road, around a blind curve) and just about ran head-on into an oncoming truck. The second guy (trying to catch the guy in front) just about ran me off the road trying to avoid hitting this same truck. These two Playstation retards were putting everyone around them in danger. This is just wrong.

Now, if the same two cars with the same two drivers were racing on an empty divided highway, with long unobstructed sight lines and no traffic, I wouldn't think it would be particularly dangerous, and I really wouldn't object. If something goes wrong, the only person who's going to die will be one of the racers. I wouldn't criticize them under these circumstances. As long as the only risks they are taking are personal risks, I'm not really concerned. It's like smoking cigarettes: If you don't make me breath your smoke, I really don't care what you do to your own lungs.

For me, a drunk driver, or a person who is yakking on a cell phone or putting on makeup in traffic is more of a menace than racers on a deserted 4 lane highway.
Street racers who put others in danger, however, are a bunch of worthless jerks.

Speaking of street racing.. what about Gumball?

Good point igaboj ^^^ and the NY to LA rally...

Speaking of street racing.. what about Gumball?
The Gumball 3000 is lame. Plaster your car with stickers (so the police can be sure to spot you) drive a predetermined route (so the police can be sure to know where you will be driving) drive with a bunch of other stickered cars (so you will stand out like a herd of cattle on the highway) and try to speed and not lose your license (not likely.) It's an event for poseurs. It's "Jackass" for the rich and (sort of) famous car set.

If you've seen the Gumball 3000 video from last year, cops were all over the drivers for the European portions. 4 lost their licenses the first night, I believe. The only time they were able to drive fast was in Morocco, but many of the drivers just drove like maniacs, with no regard to the local populace. One crashed into a tractor, another crashed into a car. Lots of near misses. A guy in a Viper lost control and totaled his car. (He wasn't even wearing a helmet, and was lucky to survive.)

If you want a serious speed road racing event, go for the Border Challenge or Targa Newfoundland (both multi-day road races held on public roads) or one of the other single day road races (Sandhills, Big Bend, Silver State, etc.) You can drive as fast as you want, don't have to worry about cops, and there's no risk to non-participants.

The thing you guys refer to as street racing is some guy in his new 'hot hatch' and some guy in his bmw or whatever trying to impress there girlfriends sat at the side of them, driving up each otherers asses THIS ISNT STREET RACING THIS IS YOUNG PEOPLE BEING STUPID AND SHOWING OFF

Actually we should honour people who street races..they show have they have the skills to avoid accidents and travel high speeds under such uncontrolled evironments.But when they crashed,that will be BS.:D

Street racing need the most skill above all stuff..

Actually we should honour people who street races..they show have they have the skills to avoid accidents and travel high speeds under such uncontrolled evironments.But when they crashed,that will be BS.:D

Street racing need the most skill above all stuff..

You have obviously never raced on a track. Street racing is comparing cars, racing at a track is comparing drivers.

old topic...
Hardly.. street racing is for ricers who watch to much F&F. And they don't have skill. They're rice rockets are hardly racers,and they're lucky if they can come out of the race alive with their car in one piece. Take it to the track, where the racers actually have skill.

old topic...
Hardly.. street racing is for ricers who watch to much F&F. And they don't have skill. They're rice rockets are hardly racers,and they're lucky if they can come out of the race alive with their car in one piece. Take it to the track, where the racers actually have skill.

I race on the street, but I don't race kids in 4 cylinder hondas, eclipses acura's or the like. The people who I play around with on the street are the same people I track my car with. The slowest car in the group is a supercharged mustang and a lightning. They are both low 14 second cars.

In all honesty I prefer a nice hard drive up a mountain canyon more than anything else. There is no racing...no passing unless somebody wants to fall back, it's just a bunch of guys doing some good old fashion hardcore canyon carving on a saturday night.


We also know what sections we can go fast in and which parts to slow down in.

If you have the posibility to go on a track but you decide to do street raceing i think is a bad decision. But , for example , me, i don't have a track in my country so i can go and have funt there. So .......

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG W/ STREET RACING, AS LONG AS YOUR SAFE AND SMART ABOUT IT....unless u drive rice

If you're driving safe: The speed limit, signaling to change lanes..etc...

Street racing, dropping the clutch at 4,000 rpms to get a better launch, running to the red line in every gear, not the signal since you're focused on staying on the roads, racing past people at a speed difference of the limit...Yeah, reeeealllly safe. I suggest reading some of the other topics in this section and seeing what we've had to say on this topic in the past before trying to say it's safe.

And yes, rice sucks. :D

Well, I dunno how rice sucks if you do it right. If you do it tastefully, then I say sweet go ahead. If you have a 1984 toyota crap-box, with a half a body kit, and a speaker that makes turbo blow-off valve noises, then yeah, go die in a corner. And also, that's not safe at all.

I like your signature :D

My two cents:

This is a pretty touchy subject, but I still stand behind this: I think illegal street-racing is extremely stupid. It is irresponsible, and you risk the lives of not just yourself, but others. You have NO right to put other people's lives at risk, for the sake of your five-minute-adrenaline rush. If you feel that you have something to prove in your car, then take it to a legal venue, where you can show off your work. And besides, you can meet other people who have the same interest as you.

For the fellow that said "track racing started from illegal street races," you know what? You're only half right. They held street races simply because there were no legal venues. There was no place for them to go. Nowadays, even the old timers agree that trackdays at real, professional-level tracks are the best thing to happen since sliced bread. There should be no excuse to drive wrecklessly on public streets.

I try my hardest to not stomp on the go-pedal everytime someone tries "play" with me. It takes patience, and a sense of humbleness. It's also extremely annoying to get "kids" (for the most part) rev their motors at me. Come on, your four-cylinder, huge wing (on a FF!), and altezza headlights versus my 996TT; you do the math. I put these people into the same category as "People Who Drive While Talking on Cellphones Are Morons" category. Annoying as hell, and again, endangers other drivers surrounding them.

I also get domestics that have huge motors try and bait me. I also know that there is a 9 out of 10 chance that I'll take him down on a road course. I don't do the whole drag-racing thing. Yes, there is a certain skill set needed for that, but I don't compare myself to that. I have a certain skill set, and I work to improve on it. In this case, I prefer road courses, and time attacks. Occasionally I do autocross.

I do admit to "enthusiastic" driving, not denying it. But I choose to do it in an isolated area, where the risk of damage to someone else is minimized, and there is no one else besides me, and a stopwatch. The way I look at it, I am willing to risk my OWN life for driving, but that's as far as it'll go.

-rant off-

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG W/ STREET RACING, AS LONG AS YOUR SAFE AND SMART ABOUT IT....unless u drive rice

This has got to be the stupidest remark I've come across... :confused:

Regarding the Gumball races. You do know that they are NOT legal races, right? All you see on the DVDs are edited scenes of the cool stuff, like cars doing donuts, and motorcycles outrunning cops. What you DON'T see are the people that get arrested, fined, jailed, etc. Sure, some of them don't mind, but then again, a lot of them aren't Americans, and are prolly never gonna drive through Montana again at 200 miles an hour. Several of the participants have lost their licenses, and had insurance revoked. But hey, it's only money...

As far as I'm concerned, I think it's great to be able to see awesome cars doing what they do best: perform. But I also think Gumball created a huge misconception between responsible car enthusiasts and wreckless morons.

As for the whole revving the motors thing. I did that once or twice, not because i wanted to see the guy lose in race against my car, god know's that wouldn't happen. But because I wanted to see someone with a genuinely fast car let the pedal drop. But then again, with traffic, the horsepower some cars are putting out nowadays and the "humbleness" factor.

Now i just give 'em the thumbs up and smile.

Well, I dunno how rice sucks if you do it right. If you do it tastefully, then I say sweet go ahead. If you have a 1984 toyota crap-box, with a half a body kit, and a speaker that makes turbo blow-off valve noises, then yeah, go die in a corner. And also, that's not safe at all.
LMAO

Rice is a term used to describe overlymodified cars that are just an eyesore...most have little to none performance modifications. If you "do it right" that's what we call 'tasteful modding'. Also, Don't be dissing on the 1984 AE86 Corolla, that is one helluva drifter.

Why does street racing always have to deal with ricers and their cars? Street racing is done by almost everyone atleast one time in their life. Look at some car racing videos, most of the cars are looking stock with just some engine modifications. Street racing is illegal and can endanger innocent lives but then again is life safe? You can go to sleep and not wake up the next day, its all chance. The rush of street racing is because of it being illegal and the speed and some people really don't care if they get a ticket. And the movie Fast and Furious isn't the only reason why people race Hondas, before the movie there was still HKS and Veilside. The movie only brought out people's interest in cars. Big deal if you see a kid in a Civic, Acura, etc... let them be who they are, if they think they are cool with a loud exhaust and intake who cares. You can't beat the **** out of every ricer.

Why does street racing always have to deal with ricers and their cars? Street racing is done by almost everyone atleast one time in their life. Look at some car racing videos, most of the cars are looking stock with just some engine modifications. Street racing is illegal and can endanger innocent lives but then again is life safe? You can go to sleep and not wake up the next day, its all chance. The rush of street racing is because of it being illegal and the speed and some people really don't care if they get a ticket. And the movie Fast and Furious isn't the only reason why people race Hondas, before the movie there was still HKS and Veilside. The movie only brought out people's interest in cars. Big deal if you see a kid in a Civic, Acura, etc... let them be who they are, if they think they are cool with a loud exhaust and intake who cares. You can't beat the **** out of every ricer.

Riced out cars don't bother me, I like to have something to laugh at. It's those ricers that rev on me and pace me for miles and miles that do bother me.

Funny thing is when I actually run into a fast car on the street like a Z06 or a modified ls1 there is no reving at lights, all you do is nod and punch it. If it's not a safe area somebody says "follow me" or "how about a 30 roll further up the street?"

I like your signature :D
Thank you very much. It's true, and I'm pretty sure that everybody can agree.

I try my hardest to not stomp on the go-pedal everytime someone tries "play" with me. It takes patience, and a sense of humbleness. It's also extremely annoying to get "kids" (for the most part) rev their motors at me. Come on, your four-cylinder, huge wing (on a FF!), and altezza headlights versus my 996TT; you do the math. I put these people into the same category as "People Who Drive While Talking on Cellphones Are Morons" category. Annoying as hell, and again, endangers other drivers surrounding them.

I do admit to "enthusiastic" driving, not denying it. But I choose to do it in an isolated area, where the risk of damage to someone else is minimized, and there is no one else besides me, and a stopwatch. The way I look at it, I am willing to risk my OWN life for driving, but that's as far as it'll go.

-rant off-

If I had a 996TT, I'd be having a hard time trying not to race too. :D

LMAO

Rice is a term used to describe overlymodified cars that are just an eyesore...most have little to none performance modifications. If you "do it right" that's what we call 'tasteful modding'. Also, Don't be dissing on the 1984 AE86 Corolla, that is one helluva drifter.

Ok, I guess I didn't get that. I thought that meant just tuning you're car with japanese race parts. Rice sucks. And I wasn't dissing that Toyota, it was just an example. I'm not really into the older japanese cars. But from what i've seen, yeah, that AE86 does pretty good for itself.

Street racing is illegal and can endanger innocent lives but then again is life safe? You can go to sleep and not wake up the next day, its all chance.

HAHEHEHAHHAHAHEHAHHA wow. that was just plain stupid. lmao.

WhAsUwAn
Don’t be so childish! If you have a death wish why don’t you join the French foreign legion and please sign a 20-year contract.

It's true man, you never know when you gonna die, that's just you're destiny, even if you live on a very carefull way.

When you just take a walk you even have the risk that a flowerpot can fall on you're head or like this weekend happened here, a giant iceblock fell true the front window of a car while he was driving, they say it was probably of an airplane that flew by, So you never know what you can expect.

I agree that everything is a "risk". Logically it's true, there is always a chance that something will happen to you and you'll get shoved off the mortal coil. But that chance is so infinitesimal that street racing takes it for granted and makes that chance a whooole lot bigger for you and innocent bystanders. Don't get me wrong, I like a good clutch drop at a light, but I don't go careening down the road at mach 2 so that's a tad different in my book.

Its careering Ghalos, and every one can screw their risks, I just won 5 bucks on one hand of poker with 2 queens and high card jack, pretty good considering the normal bet is 15 cents.

I would be pissed off if a guy driving a civic killed me. But seeing as how I out weigh a civic by almost 700 pounds I'm pretty sure it would be crushed like a pop can.

Momenntttuuuum...Technically in space you could be killed by dust. Because of it's momentum.

So if he's going fast..Eh, dude, just hit the right pedal, keep him away. :D

Momenntttuuuum...Technically in space you could be killed by dust. Because of it's momentum.

So if he's going fast..Eh, dude, just hit the right pedal, keep him away. :D


You could be hit in the head by a popcan going 60MPH (faster than most civics go) and it wouldn't kill you.


I don't normally put words like civic, fast or momentum together:D

I do: " The civic transportation vehicle owned but TTbliss was going so fast, that when it went to make a sharp turn its momentum caused it to lose grip and slide into a tree" :D

j/k j/k... I don't want your beautiful Z to get hurt.

I do: " The civic transportation vehicle owned but TTbliss was going so fast, that when it went to make a sharp turn its momentum caused it to lose grip and slide into a tree" :D

j/k j/k... I don't want your beautiful Z to get hurt.

Do you mean......lose grip and slide sideways around the turn in full drift fashion?

oversteer scares passengers, understeer scares drivers.

No, I meant lost grip as in entering a turn way too fast, and losing grip and sliding into something.

No, I meant lost grip as in entering a turn way too fast, and losing grip and sliding into something.

That's why we trail brake

Jeez man it was just a joke... no need to get so technical....:D

Jeez man it was just a joke... no need to get so technical....:D

Move this thread to the tech forum so I can continue to converse in a technical fashion.

hye i come fro maustralia now u americans think we have kangaroos and other animals in our citites we dont lol anywayz down here we have alot of modded cars checkout site like obsessivemotorsport.com and autosalon.org well yeh here we have street racing also i thik it started here when the fast and the furious was first released but before that the import scene was pretty small mnostly subaru wrx's and some modded lancers and thats it but now we have hi quality skylines and supras touringthe streets and for those who criticise the street racing world in some respects ur right but c for alot of ppl its an addiction for others just for the cash and they cant w8 like for a track day once a wekk and the have to w8 there for like 4 hours just for one run please if more tracks were open like all day evry day then street racing would decrease, so either make it legal or make more permanent tracks for us

Periods...know them, use them, love them. Old threads, don't bring them up.

I dont promote street racing but you guys have to admit it is fun and i dont really have a track near me so..... you know whatever

OK, I've heard "street racing is bad", "street racing is dangerous", "take it to the track", there's just one thing i would like to know. Is there a website that you could search for tracks on?:confused: :confused: :confused: :-k :-k :-k

OK, I've heard "street racing is bad", "street racing is dangerous", "take it to the track", there's just one thing i would like to know. Is there a website that you could search for tracks on?:confused: :confused: :confused: :-k :-k :-k
Yes, it's called www.google.com

No i don't think any of us are sheep--we all have our own opinions about different things and we stick to it

What is a "sheep" ?

Someone who follows the herd.

So a sheep would be someone who likes something, just because everyone else does?

Yes, be a sheep, or nobody will like you.

I though sheeps were animals known all over the world. A good example of sheep: A catholic.

Or........GT4 fans...