What do you Guys think of the new viper i find that it is 8) but what do you guys think :?: :?: 8)

without getting too technical about the issue I also think it is 8)

i think its tooo boring !!! i dont like the vipers looks!

a viper... boring?!?
that's like calling angelina jolie ugly just not true!!!!!

it only shows muscles and nothing is smooth as i like ....
there is something in its look that i really dont like ....

but hay its only me !!

as far as american cars go, the viper is beautiful!

how can you call this boring?

http://www.mccarthy5.freeserve.co.uk/dodge%20viper%20venom.jpg

I must agree whit Mallon on this one..!
Viper is an beautyfull car! :)

thanks you....someone with good taste in cars!

if only it had handling to go with teh looks :roll:

Nah..
I think it can do it's job..
IT's GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME..!
:)

dont get me wrong its far from bad!

its just it doesnt have the well balanced rigid chassis's of the porsche GT2's or the BMw Z8's of this world.

but as I said before, being american it doesnt need one :D

What do you thibk of Porsche RUF !?
It's nice.. i think..!
:twisted:
More a cruiser, than a speed-car i think..!
If i had the money..!
.o0(And if i was OLD ENOUGH!!!)0o.
It would be mine!!

the porsche RUF?
RUF is a german company that modifies regular porsches, they have more than one model mate!
But generally they;re fantastic; with 30+ more Hp than the regular.

i tryed to look for the vipers skidpad but with no much scuess .....
i found non simular spidpad resulats .... but the best one is about 1.05 g and it is for a 2003 viper 520 hp .....
that the best i found for the viper.....
and for me this is a bad spidpad for a supercar .....

by the way 450 hp is pretty low for a 8.0 liter engine !!!

by the way 450 hp is pretty low for a 8.0 liter engine !!!

yeah but you can critise an american car over the bhp/litre. The american logic is different to Europe's/Asia's.

Also they can make high horsepower engines by simply increasing displacment; as petrol in American is so cheap - Europeans would get away with that. They are forced to make more fuel efficent turbo's e.t.c.

do u have any idea about the exact skidpad of the new viper >.....
and u were right its 0-60 in 3.89 sec ..... that faster that the 550 but i dont think that the viper would be faster on a race track .....

There's only 2 nice cars that the Americans have made.. :!:
Vector M12
Dodge Viper
But that's my appenion...

The Porsche RUF Cz...some numbers..
i don't quite remember what numbers... :oops:

the Ruf site is down for constructions so that cant help.......
i remmber the CTR and CTR2-Sport and SCR
any of those ???

Nah.. none of them..
I'll just go check it..

or is it a regular 911 .....
in my country it comes like C2 or C4 ,,, or turbo ..... is this what u ment...
couse in the CTR and the others i dont remmber any numbers ! :?

Sorry mate!!
It is CRT 2 Sport..!
was all wrong!
:oops:

no problem bro :wink:

Don't you got MSN Messenger!??
:shock:

ICQ bro is much better...
specially in transfering files.... and i do that alot :)

Okay..

To be honest i´m not very fond of american cars, except for this new Viper and the Corvette. The car looks much better than the previous one which in terms of design means that they have succeeded :)
The competition version of the Viper (coupé), which has already been shown is very beautifull and i can tell that this one will be much more sucessfull than the old GTS-R (already knocked down on most racing aspects). Its brakes were, and still are, very criticized being easily overwhelmed by those of the Porsche (the best brakes ever made).
Anyway i find two very interesting curiosities on this new SRT10:
1 - It wears the most larger rear tyres ever seen on a road car, those are P345/30ZR-19!! :shock: :)
2 - theoretically the car is capable of an outstanding top speed of 354 km/h (221 mph)!! :twisted:

Tchau!

Viper is a true descendant of the legendary Detroit muscle cars. It sure is one of the prettiest AMERICAN cars in production today, and it sure has the ability to kick ass. If only the handling was better like to Vette Z06.

Anyone know of the Hennesay Viper? It gives me the chill when i see it's stats :twisted:

Is that the red one with the double white strip down the middle??

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/hennesseyperformance/index.php?cart=yArcgGum

yes this is the 650R.

i have a video of this car beating a Diable in a drag race...
its cool but only when its in a straight line :?

thats one cool car.
Seeing that pic it just made me think how much the viper is like an american TVR.

Mallon since ur from Britain, and u know about TVR , can u tell me does TVR has an assembly line or it's cars r handmade? And what about their prices?

since mallon didnt answer yet...
i know the Tvr is pretty good in everything and its faster than the 360 ..
and the prise under the ferrari 360 ....

hi NiGiz - I just got your PM, I responded so check now.

Yup the TVR has the advantage of low car weight but with 480bhp++ also the car is fully hand made from special fiberglass with carbon fibre also at cheap price

for all that i know the fastest TVR have 440 hp :idea:

as far as american cars go, the viper is beautiful!

how can you call this boring?

http://www.mccarthy5.freeserve.co.uk/dodge%20viper%20venom.jpg

mallon is right, the viper is not boring, and unlike ppl think it has great handling (if you have the skills), anyway, you would have to drive one to understand

oh....i love my father to co-own a dealer, i can test drive used/new cars everyday
I wish i could buy one

its not bad in handling that much ...
its not good compared with super and sports cars from the same category 8)

it's a nice car,but doesn't it looks the same every year, other than the older doesn't even have a top

The Viper is one of the few American cars that I really like.

the corvette in my opinion is much better than the viper.at least in handling..

hey, do any of you guys know if the vette is still made out of fiberglass? this question has been bugging me for a while, and i wondered if any of you guys knew.

its not bad in handling that much ...
its not good compared with super and sports cars from the same category 8)

the corvette in my opinion is much better than the viper.at least in handling..

I've driven both, Viper ant the Vette, and the Viper is better, it's a lo harder, but it's sharper and a hell lot more precise, have you actually driven a race car? if you have, then you can understand, handling is not about precise steering and no tire screech, is the ability of the car to translate the driver's actions in a good way, if you know how to drive a viper, you can kick some european ass for a lot less money

do u have any idea about the exact skidpad of the new viper >.....
and u were right its 0-60 in 3.89 sec ..... that faster that the 550 but i dont think that the viper would be faster on a race track .....

What a lack of faith, in a test at Arizona's proving grounds (really easy as of handling), the best track times between Mosler MT900, Lambo Murcielago, Dodge Viper SRT-10, Chevy Corvette Z06, Mitsu Evo VIII, 575M Maranello, Ford Mustang Cobra, Jaguar XKR Coupe and the CL55 AMG, the fastest one obviously was the Mosler, then the Viper SRT-10, and after that the Murcielago, the was the Vette, the EVO!!!!! next the Maranello CL55 AMG the Cobra and the Jaguar

Track times are not about skidpad and slalom, slalom is relevant for lane changes and such, it's also an stability and recoverabilty idicator, but is not about that. skidpad is an average number, even the Cobra (the chassis is based on a 1979 fairmont) can go over 1.0 g, the number they show is the actual average of those numbers, track times is about car behaviour, stability and control at the limit (that is the skidpad relative part)

:arrow: FR500
take it easy on me :wink:
i never drove a Viper, a Vette i did but an old one 96 ...
i didn't reallly drive any Great sportscars ... my max was a boxter S , M3 , Tunned STi , tunned TT ....
i only say about cars like Viper and Lamb and others what i read from the net and from car magazines ...
for all i know skidpad is a test for handling ... and on road tracks handling is the most important thing ...

FR500 wrote :
handling is not about precise steering and no tire screech, is the ability of the car to translate the driver's actions in a good way

handling is about precise and sharp steering with NO dead space in the steering ...
it about how the car translate your actions in good way .... ==> if have good handling then its all about the drivers ... you need a driver to know how to drive the car to get the most of it!

:arrow: FR500
take it easy on me :wink:
i never drove a Viper, a Vette i did but an old one 96 ...
i didn't reallly drive any Great sportscars ... my max was a boxter S , M3 , Tunned STi , tunned TT ....
i only say about cars like Viper and Lamb and others what i read from the net and from car magazines ...
for all i know skidpad is a test for handling ... and on road tracks handling is the most important thing ...

FR500 wrote :
handling is not about precise steering and no tire screech, is the ability of the car to translate the driver's actions in a good way

handling is about precise and sharp steering with NO dead space in the steering ...
it about how the car translate your actions in good way .... ==> if have good handling then its all about the drivers ... you need a driver to know how to drive the car to get the most of it!

Its not personal :D you actually argument something, it's cool, anyway, i tried to say the same, but you phrased it better, but the story i mentioned it's true and the driver was Justin Bell, he may not be an F1 driver but he is great, skidpad is important, yes, but more to know the limits, the number at magazines is an average, higher skidpad means you can throw the car at higher speed in curves without loosing control, but it's not definite, there is a certain limit for left and certain for right corners, but thats not everything, actually the Viper is fierce, weight is a problem but it's brakes are marvelous, and it's handling IS world class, weight balance is not bad, and if know how to control it's oversteer there you go, there are lots of viper schools, because driving a vipers is hard, it's the same as with Rear egnine rear drive porsches, people think they are bad at handling, but almost noone can beat them


http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/coupe/112_0306_spdtest_totalper_z.jpg

, i tried to say the same, but you phrased it better

this is the first time somebody says that to me .. usually they say i dont understand what your saying :lol:

anyways ...were did you get the test from ??
im not sure about the new viper but i know the old one had real bad brakes ....
but it seems the new one is getting much better ... :wink:

Wow...the viper is so much better than it used to be! Anyone happen to notice how the american cars ranked? See, we can make good cars when we try! :wink:

i have one question ...!

what a MOSLEN ?? the first ranked car name !

i have one question ...!

what a MOSLEN ?? the first ranked car name !

Viper's brakes are awesome now, previows gen were medriocre, but now it has some real guts there, as you can see, but seriously, the viper has survived challenges from a lot more expensive cars, and is becoming world class

The mosler is a rececar, pretty much like a saleen s7, sharper than most euro supercars, it has an small block ls6 corvette engine producing 430bhp and weighs less than 1000kg, also you didnt comment con the vette and the evo beating the maranello (who cares, everyone love the maranello and the maranello is a GT not a track car), anyway, i hope ferrari does some Maranello GT or something, that would kick some serious ass

Anyway, that test aren't 100% correct as for performance, thats a track intended for limits, and it gives a great idea, but for example, in Nurbuhring (or however it's spelled) the results would be different, also on a longer track, the EVO would fall back,but sport compact cars have evolved a lot, damn, an EVO fighting a Maranello.........awesome (just wait for focus cosworth 2004)

guess so ....
EVO beating the Ferrari is pretty imprissive ...
i didn't notice that from the beginning :)

guess so ....
EVO beating the Ferrari is pretty imprissive ...
i didn't notice that from the beginning :)

yeah.........but who cares? hehe, it's an eight track, not NUR

personally i will take the ferrari over the evo ...
although im a preformance lover ...
but a Ferrari and a Mitsubishi .... like hell ill take a ferrari :twisted:

I thought the car you were refering to was called the Mosler not the Moslen. Didnt some guy hand build that car? I read an article. He was heralded as a great engineer and not a designer, thats why his cars are so bad ass. He builds them for performance before asthetics

personally i will take the ferrari over the evo ...
although im a preformance lover ...
but a Ferrari and a Mitsubishi .... like hell ill take a ferrari :twisted:

Me too, the EVO is fast, but in curvy uphill mountain roads, there is nothing that helps as torque, also the 575 is better, no matter what Motortrend say, the test consisted of two big curves and two short straights, not that hard.

i would like to see a Track time test !

the corvette in my opinion is much better than the viper.at least in handling..

the vipper to me is so much better taht the vette, and special the new generation, gm shoul make a new and great generation, but even with that the vipper is better to me

The Viper was never and has never been meant to handle well at all because it was not designed to do that.. It's as pure as a drag car as you can find. FR500, where exactly did you drive the Vette and Viper? Driving 30 mph in your neighborhood doesn't count as properly "handling" the car.