recently, i decided to buy a European car, basically,
my choices are Audi, BMW, Mercedes Benz, and Porsche.
here's a list of cars i can choose from,
1.Audi S4
2.Audi A6
3.BMW 530i
4.BMW M3
5. MB CLK320
6. Porsche Cayenne
7.BMW X5

i tested drived the CLK320, it's not that fast, but pretty smooth.

i'm having a reallie hard to decide which one to buy, so please give
opinions on which one should i buy.

by the way, i'm only a highschool student.

First I think we'll all need some more info, like, what do you need it do, basic transportation, fun, any luggage space needed, mileage, and insurance, and so on and so forth...

Based on that list, I'd safe you're safest by getting the Audi A6, it's got good luggage space, All Wheel Drive for all the weather problems you'll face, and reasonably good mileage. And it's got room for at least 5 people, but like I said before, we'll all need to know what the car is needed for.

However, if sporty is more your style, then the S4 or M3 are choice picks. They're a little more stiff riding to say the least, but they can definitely raise your pulse quiiiiite a bit.

The 530i is a good car all around but the Audi A6 has the added safety of All Wheel Drive...

Okay, I just realized you said you're a High School Student, mind if I give someone with more financial power than I had when I was in high school (only two years ago)...
Get, a Corvette...it's usable, faster than everything on that list by alot, and it's mid pack in price...It get's a reasonably OKAY gas mileage, but the insurance rates will murder you...but it can be an option, plus Chevrolet designed the new Corvette for European style, and they succeeded in my humble opinion.

You're young, enjoy a toy while you still can. 8)

A CORVETTE!!!!!! ARE YOU NUTS?!?!?! you'd get in soooo much trouble with that. Cops would be looking for you. I say, get a GTO. It's big, fast and very well built. A CTS would be nice, maybe a 300C or something along those lines. Don't go for euro cars. Also, a G35 coupe is a good choice. A very good choice. Remeber, go for a sleeper. Your insurance won't be high and cops won't notice you.

Ghalos, first, uh..., i go for Luxury and Sporty, i don't reallie need a HUGE room, but a
sufficient room is good.
and since i'm only in highschool, my mother's paying for my car,
and she only likes Euro cars, so i dont' think Corvette's possible
i know there are some reallie nice Jap cars out there right now,
such as G35, 350Z, STI, etc, but as i said, she wants me to drive a
euro car.

one problem of Euro is they cost so much to maintain it, i'm not even
sure if i can maintain that car through out my college.

i read the Comsumer Report Mag. the other day, and i read so articles online
about each car, M3 and S4 has the worst comments, they cost 10K more to
maintain it for 5 years. i think i will go test drive M3 and Cayenne this Sat.
by the way, i live in TX, so it's really hot here, and i dont' reallie need any
thing for winter for the car.

i personally like M3 the best, i guess it's bcuz of peer pressure
i want to buy a car "for show"
yeah, u know what i meant?

give more suggestions if you can, thanks a lot!!

i personally like M3 the best, i guess it's bcuz of peer pressure
i want to buy a car "for show"
yeah, u know what i meant?

give more suggestions if you can, thanks a lot!!

An M3 for a first car? (I'm presuming) E36 or E46? Anyway, I wouldn't wanna get that car, it's just too, high powered. Seriously, you're in high school and you a want a fully-feldged M3 in your hands?

I'd personally take a BMW X5. It's big, fuel economy's a bummer but there is lotsa room and you can make it into a 'shaggin wagon'! :P

:shock: um, ever thought of getting something second hand, like a 500 SL merc or a 15 year old 911

man... all those cars are in like 50k range.. if you're mom wants you to have a european car.. i'm assuming she wants prestige and elegance, which i would personally think; a lexus GS430 would have.. you could look for a certified pre-owned one and be easily able to afford it over other cars.. and with a toyota reputation; you wouldn't have to worry about maintenence.. should be kinda sporty enough too.. but without doubt, very luxurious.. another would definetely be a G35 coupe.. now this might not have as much prestige as a lexus or a european car; but i'd say those 2 are your best bet if you're really concerned about maintenence

otherwise i'd go straight for an M3!!! :D pretty decent room.. (but fuel economy... :x ) even in the back seat, or an S4 (also get killed by fuel...)

but if you need a good overall european car that wouldn't do way to bad on fuel econ and all; i'd go with what ghalos said, and take the A6.. probably the 2.7T

Ok so maybe a Corvette was a bad idea, but hey, I was feeling saucy... 8)

Ok, out of the ones you mentioned I'm gonna say the M3 is stylish as hell, the S4 and A6 look alot alike in my opinion. Also, if you are going more for style and prestige, a pre-owned Mercedes Benz SLK or CLK are good choices. And finally, if Japanese style is what you want, after all, it is your car, the Lexus line-up including the IS300 are very good choices, plus they're very reliable. My uncle has had an ES300 for three years and I gotta say...it's a verrrry smooth car.

Wait, you want style, and to look awesome...

No offense, but a Mercedes and Lexus along with an Audi aren't squat compared to a Porsche...The Cayenne, yeah, it's arguably the best SUV out there today, no question. But, if you want to look cool, have you thought about a first model year Porsche Boxtser?? They get good mileage because they have a flat-6, they're quite comfy, it's a convertible, and it's got enough luggage room for most of your stuff. And, this is courtesy of a magazine called Sports Car International, a very reputable source, they're Boxster Buyers Guide...

A 2.5 liter vesrsion from 1997 with low mileage, shouldn't go for more than $27,000 and a 1999 2.5 liter version, low mileage, shouldn't go for more than 43,000...

Another stylish option is a new BMW Z4, that's a very fine line style car, either you love it or you hate it, but here in the Northeast, at least my area of it, SUV's are universally condemned for being gas munching road cloggers

But at least you can get your "play" on...you sly devil you!!!

guys, thanks a lot for the replies, i reallie appreicated.

i like all the cars y'all mentioned, but since it's not my $$ :)

i have to listen to what my mom likes, and i could only

give her suggestions.

she won't give me a Z4 or Boxster, or anything like that,
anycar she thinks looks sporty she won't get it for me,
cuz i'm kinda of a crazy driver, she concerned about my safty a lot.

i decided that it would be best for me to test drive the Cayenne,
it's a PORSCHE, awesome car, SUV (big room), fast for a SUV,
and good specs over all, plus, i have a good chance of convince my
mom to get it, cuz she drives a Lexus, she always wants a big car
for my family.

i never told her about M3 or S4's maintaince, cuz if i do, i'm sure
i won't even have a chance of getting it.
Benz's CLK320's pretty smooth, kinda slow though
i test drove it the other day, options are expensive, just like
the Cayenne, Xennon light option cost $1,240, so expensive.

man, i dont' know which car to go for.

y'all can talk about anything, i'll answer questions if you post them.

I'd get the M3 if I could. Just please be extra careful not to crash an expensive car like that... (very possible with a young driver and a powerful car)

I'd get the M3 if I could. Just please be extra careful not to crash an expensive car like that... (very possible with a young driver and a powerful car)
I'm with jim, out of them i would take the M3, but it is a performance car, so for a young driver not necessarily the best option, and Cayenne, yeah its a beast, but here in UK no kid would 1) be able to get the insurance 2) afford spare parts and 3) ever want to be seen in one! And its so big, but I guess that doesnt matter in the US!
On the sensible choice, if we could ever have that much money for my first car, I think I would take the Audi A6 or BMW 5-series, simply because they are quick in their own way, but also safer cars and tend to have good road holding!

good luck in choosing!

well, it's not my first car, i been driving for almost 2 yrs already.
this is gonna be my 2nd car, i'm tired of my first slow car (Toyota Camry)
so i want to get a new one.

i doubt my mom will buy me the M3, if she does, i would be glad,
but if she doesn't, i think i should go for Cayenne, simpliy bcuz
it's the best of SUV, and i like SUVs too.

anyone can tell me something about Cayenne?
like maintaince? fuel efficiency? quality? etc.
thnx

personally, i'd get a Saab Aero, or a Volvo R......very good, safe, reliable and CLASSY cars! what do u think?

would it be a cayenne turbo or just the S, all the magazines loved the toureg which is the same thing so it's probably pretty good quality also I like the performance of the turbo

The VW is supposed to be a better car on the road as well

don't y'all think the name PORSCHE's reallie powerful?

like when you talk about it, it sounds a whole lot different than VW, right?

i know Toureg's quarlity's good, but basically they are the same SUV right?

i can only get Cayenne, the regular one, not the S nor Turbo, they are over priced.

Get the V10 toureg and its a much better car than the cayenne

don't y'all think the name PORSCHE's reallie powerful?

like when you talk about it, it sounds a whole lot different than VW, right?

i know Toureg's quarlity's good, but basically they are the same SUV right?

i can only get Cayenne, the regular one, not the S nor Turbo, they are over priced.yeah, they are the same just with some minor styling differences and some different engines

the VW ahs better dynamics

Get the V10 toureg and its a much better car than the cayenne

WHOOO!!! TWIN TURBO DIESEL!!! but i don't like diesel that much IMO :P...

so.. if you want an SUV.. well i wouldn't suggest a cayenne cause it doesn't get much out of it's fuel.. i'd suggest either a BMW X3 3.0.. or if you you want more power.. infiniti FX45/35... now this is a jap car.. but very classy, elegant, and yes.. sporty IMO.. and it gets about same fuel econ as the cayenne (V8 ) if you can afford it's hefty fuel bill.... otherwise FX35/ BMW X3 3.0 would be even better..

personally, i'd get a Saab Aero, or a Volvo R......very good, safe, reliable and CLASSY cars! what do u think?

YEEEAAAHHH!!! S60R!!!... ok.. now to sedans... a few to be reccomended are the lexus GS430 (like i said.. same price range as a lot of the cars you listed) a very luxurious car.. very smooth ride.. and should be pretty sporty too!! and very reliable over the years

audi 2.7t.... now if you can't get a lexus GS.. the A6 would also be a great choice.. also very luxurious and sporty.. but not as much power as the lexus

and last but not least... the S60 R!!! the sportiest of them all.. fastest... and simply the best if your top priority is sportiness... if luxury and sportiness are even.. the audi A6/ GS430 both fair fine..

hmm... sounds good
all those cars are so nice, that's it's so hard for me to decide one
man, Cayenne's fuel's scary
it can take about 26.9 gal of full tank
and 14/18 mpg, that's crazy
it's gonna cost me so much

but i think, i will just try to test drive every car and see how i feel about
each one and most importantly, how my mom feel about each car
it's gonna take me a while
but hopefully i can get one before school starts, that would be P.I.M.P
and ima have my customized License Plate
any website i can get some car parts?
like lights, sound systems, ect.

try www.driverfx.com

You know, if you want to be really unique and flashy, go with something like these

http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/6/8/72658568.htm

http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/0/4/46622604.htm

If those two aren't classy as hell, i don't know what is!

I like the jag

A BMW M3/X5/Cayenne as a 1st car!!? Eventually when I first get to drive, to own one of those cars on your list would have to be in my dreams!!! Maybe thats cause I live in England.

E-Types rock! 8) but you really need a reconditioned car, or get an Eagle version, as well as having a rust-check. Also dont get an original softop, get one that has had a new one put on as the old ones leak!!!
Oh yeah, and get the Mk3 V12 with the Mk1 headlamps, thats my favourite after the Eagle E-Type! (but theres only like 200 of them, made in England, so I dont know if you can get one in the US :?) :P

A BMW M3/X5/Cayenne as a 1st car!!? Eventually when I first get to drive, to own one of those cars on your list would have to be in my dreams!!! Maybe thats cause I live in England.
I have the same problem dude! they so llucky there, and they can drive at 16!

You guys do know that an older collector car is ridiculously hard to maintain right??

Of course you do, otherwise you wouldn't post at RSC...but I digress...The Jaguar S-Type is a liiiittle more expensive, but if you can talk your mom into letting you get an "R" version...oh man...you could race for girlfriends, and even if you lost (not likely, you'd still look daaaamn good in a Jag.

Also, I haven't a clue as to how much a CLK55 AMG is, but I followed one around today, and damn...that thing is stylish, and fast as hell. :shock:

CLK55 AMG MSRP: $70,900
which's pretty expensive, i would rather get E55 AMG
if i spend that much money
i'm not into old schools at all

everyday on the road, i see hundreds of BMWs and Benz
that makes me think that Porsche is the one.
i haven't see that many Cayenne around
man, if someone reallie knows about cars
when they see someone drive a Cayenne
they know u r pimp
and Jaguar's has reallie bad ratings on Comsumer Report Mag.
i looked at Jaguar S-type, it does look nice, but since
the rating's reallie bad, i don't think i will consider that car anymore

if i get the Cayenne, ima get like a 20" spinners (spinning rims)
Xenon Head-lamps, i wish i could get the auto-height adjust option
but most likely not, it cost too much

what does your mum do for a living!!?

Ok, Gene, please for god's sakes, don't overdo it...pleeeease...don't make it look like crap. It's already got Xenon's I think and if you go for 20 inch rims you might find the trade-off in ride quality to be unbearable...Also, with larger wheels/tires, make sure it's done properly, have professionals do it, otherwise you get heavy offsets at each wheel and the vehicle's performance in acceleration, turning, and braking are all heavily diminished...Like Firestone says, "It's where rubber meets the road"...or something like that, it is firestone right?!!?? 8)

An E55 would cover all the bases for you. Size performance, price and It's a Mercedes. I have one for sale 2001 E55 for 49900.00.

M5.

BMW's are great for the first 45000 miles then you wish you owned a Mercedes. BMW's are disposable cars.

BMW's are great for the first 45000 miles then you wish you owned a Mercedes. BMW's are disposable cars.
Are you a Merc salesman? :P Anyhow, both cars seem to have a big divide down the middle, some people swear by BMW's and others by Mercs, and some who remain neutral and probably never own one! However, how I see the difference is the BMW is the more driving experience car, more driving fun in the BMW series, and the Mercs are the more refined comfy cars, and has been said by reviewers that the Mercs lack less "feeling" than BMW's. Obviously this is just speculation as I have never, and probably never will get to drive the high end performance Mercs and BMW's!!!

I work for a BMW / Mercedes dealership, and can honestly say having driven both the M/B's fair better in the long run. M/B makes a better sport coupe and sedan the only problem is that the Bmw's cost less. With the M/B you get what you pay for. If you check out supercars.net bmw's dont even crack into the top 50 0-60 or top speed for the fastest cars.

Thats cool, someone who really knows his stuff!! :P

a small tip, if you get to drive the new M5, don't tell Jim! :P he'll have to kill you for it otherwise :P

as i said, i like Cayenne better now

the only thing is that i haven't test drive that car yet

i want to know if it cost a lot to maintain that car

and fuel efficiency, ect.

as i said, i like Cayenne better now

the only thing is that i haven't test drive that car yet

i want to know if it cost a lot to maintain that car

and fuel efficiency, ect.

Come on, the Base Cayenne is slower than your camry, Grand Cherokee Overlands, and even V8 Explorers will kick your ass all day long, and if you get the heavy 20's with spinners the'll even "corner" better.

Get a 530i or if you can afford it a 4.4 X5 and leave it stock, it's a blast to drive, has great power and looks neat

I know you live in texas but the cayanne sucks in the snow and rain. It has sport tires if your going to get a porsche get a 911 or vintage 928. If you want a truck get a denali. A freind of mine put 26 inch spinners on it. He was in plush magazine front cover truck Black Denali from CT.

So, r y'all saying that Cayenne sucks?

i chooose Porsche bcuz there're too many Benzs or BMWs on the road

Now, the topic changes to Cayenne Vs. X5

anyone who's pro-Cayenne tell me everything about Cayenne
and what's good about it.

anyone who's pro-X5 tell me everything about X5, ect

in england i would take the Cayenne, its so much quicker and sounds nicer, and every mum has an X5 for the schoolmobile, and from an overall factor, I would take the Cayenne, but for different reasons to you, I like it because you can go into a mine or just dirt and literally mess around with the car and have fun. The X5 is dated now, but personally if I could get a 4x4, I would take the new Range Rover Vogue in black with the black sport rims and bullbars, which here falls into the same price range, imagine this with bullbars and black wheels, and you got one hell of a nice car, looks decent in other colours as well though!
http://www.designyourlandrover.com/designyourlandrover/Assets/2004/2004_SRHS/exterior_small/697_WHL.jpg
Couldn't find a pic of the one I saw the other day, but the bullbars are sold through land-rover dealers and the rims, well, take your pick!

Look living in England the X5 is EVERYWHERE and the people who buy it have no sense of originality and just buy what everbody else has-an X5. Here there are just too many of them. There is however only 1 model I like- It is the new BMW X5 4.8iS. I honestly do not know if this is on sale yet and do not know when the US will get it but if this is in your price range and if you are going to buy an X5, buy the 4.8iS

You said base Cayenne, not S nor Turbo right? even Golfs will kick your ass with that wimpy V6 in that big elephant, for that price you can get a decently equiped 4.4 X5, that sounds looks and rives better, and will be quicker overall

not that many X5's here.. and it would be significantly better than a base cayenne..but if you really want something unique; VW taureg V8...or if you want something that has sportiness to it; infiniti FX45

anything good about the toureg, the cayenne has because they're the same SUV but with porsche you get bragging rights, the problem with land rovers is that their air conditioning isn't up to U.S. heat, especially in texas but they have great off-roading abilities

well... no.. for the price of a V6 cayenne.. you could get a much more powerful V8 taureg... plus; not that much diff in fuel econ either.. just get an X5 or a taureg....but if you can do with a jap competitor.. most definetely an infiniti FX45; much sportier than any of these.. if you can do a sedan.. lexus GS430; as i've been saying

well... no.. for the price of a V6 cayenne.. you could get a much more powerful V8 taureg...
I've been offroading in the V6 Touareg, and on just dirt the performance was quick, so with the V8 and on tarmac, I imagine the power to be great! :P

FX!!!

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/InfinitiFX45/Images/LeftFront.jpg

btw... you like big rims.. those are stock 20's i believe... :) standard too

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/VolkswagenTouareg/ImagesV8/Front-sm.jpg

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/VolkswagenTouareg/ImagesV8/Dash-sm.jpg

and tell me that interior ain't NICE!!! :D

wow, so many replies, thnx guys, i learned a lot from y'al
but i'm eager to read more of your opinions.
i appreciate it.

anyway, i'm hosting this KAGS party on Saturday
so ima be busy these days,
i'm using my empty huge house, and im planning to set it up
as a party house.
inviting all my friends over for a summer cool-offf.
it's gonna be reallie coool.

K-Karayoke, A-Alcohol, G-Gamble, S-...

how's ur summers guys

GET an FX45, it's great!!!!! altough the interior materials are not that good feeling, but they make a nice picture

GET an FX45, it's great!!!!! altough the interior materials are not that good feeling, but they make a nice picture
The FX45 is only ok if Gene's Mum says ok for Japanese, but as she wants you to get a Euro car, I still say the Touareg or Range Rover :twisted:

I just went to a party with Karaoke, sucked...but maybe Texans have better voices thatn 19 year old drunk girls..hahha...anyways...the Range Rover is classy, but the Cayenne is more stylish, in a rounded way, the Infiniti is the least expensive to maintain and insure I believe...not positive, either way...enjoy your shin dig! 8)

GET an FX45, it's great!!!!! altough the interior materials are not that good feeling, but they make a nice picture

i'll agree... :D what i've been saying for some time now...

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/InfinitiFX45/Images/Dash-sm.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_img_a/450358_22.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/1/web/337000-337999/337694_2_full.jpg

nice IMO.. plus it comes standard with 20 inch rims..make sure you get the chrome ones too.. 0-60 in 6 seconds too.. just like a sport sedan.. and about 48k fully loaded... nav system, moonroof, chrome rims, DVD system, upgraded audio, the works :) ... and the same performance (or better) as the cayenne S (V8 )

but range rover? that's like 70 thousand $ plus in the US... you could get a cayenne S for that money and still have 10k US dollars left!... i mean.. that's enough for a porsche 911 carrera 4 cabriolet!!

my pick out of the list you made would be an bmw x5 but i'd get a mazda 3 if i were you

my pick out of the list you made would be an bmw x5 but i'd get a mazda 3 if i were you
A Mazda 3! :shock: with the chance of any almost anycar, you are surely not saying a Mazda 3 is better than a BMW M3 :shock:

land rovers are great but in texas it gets really hot so he might need a stronger a/c, so cayenne would be my choice

and a mazda 3 does even come close to the other cars pn the list

i should take a Audi RS6 or 4 :P

my pick out of the list you made would be an bmw x5 but i'd get a mazda 3 if i were you
A Mazda 3! :shock: with the chance of any almost anycar, you are surely not saying a Mazda 3 is better than a BMW M3 :shock:

i think he means it's much more practical for a first car.. and i'd agree... but enough with that lol :P

so.. actually.. in 0-60... the INFINITI FX45 is 1 second FASTER (HUGE DIFFERENCE) from 0-60 mph than the porsche cayenne S (V8 ) and is just as good handling... but those 20 inch rims don't give for the most comfortable ride in the world.. still its ride isn't that bad :)

Your Mother and I need to have a chat..Money to waste like that could well be spent getting Willie something nice insted of having you break it and waste it
go to VW ask for a blk on blk passet with a diesel engin there something like 1.9 liter and get some 62 miles to the gallon of fuel.. you'll save so much money during school and collage you will be able buy you and me a nice car....

HAHAHA....oh man...Dude, go to police auctions...I get the local auctions coming up in my emails and they've got a BMW X5 4.4 loooooaded for like $7,500...I'm waiting for a 911 Turbo to come up, a 993, the day it does...oh man, I'm going to the bank and grabbing me a loan...I figure, 20 years old, 993 Porsche Turbo...that'd make all of us jealous...HAHAHAH..!!!!! :wink:

LS430 vs. M3?

Luxious vs. Sporty?

which one?

mom likes LS, i like M3

M3 you still get some luxury with a lot more sport

LS430 vs. M3?

Luxious vs. Sporty?

which one?

mom likes LS, i like M3

how about a lexus GS430? sport sedan.. you get sort of the best of both worlds.. but it's no M3.. sort of a good last resort if your mom keeps insisting on an LS430.. she can't argue with a GS.. :wink:

M3 you still get some luxury with a lot more sport
very true, I would take the M3 anyday!

Me too. http://members.lycos.co.uk/jimkk29/BMW_animated.gif 8)

what about Maintaince?

i know that M3's reallie reallie good, i love it too

but once we start talking about Maintanice

BMW's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy below Lexus
see that's the thing
jap cars' have good reliability, like don't get in problem that often
but Euro car? man, my friend bought a 745Li, he only had it for like 3 month
it has like 10 major problems, that's why i'm concerned about Euro cars

what about Maintaince?

i know that M3's reallie reallie good, i love it too

but once we start talking about Maintanice

BMW's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy below Lexus
see that's the thing
jap cars' have good reliability, like don't get in problem that often
but Euro car? man, my friend bought a 745Li, he only had it for like 3 month
it has like 10 major problems, that's why i'm concerned about Euro cars

so then.. how is a lexus GS430 or an infiniti FX45? those would be reliable if you're concerned about that.... but the FX might be a little toooo sporty.. ride is a little rough cuz the hard suspension and HUGE rims

DONT GET A JAG. Great engines and bodys but everything else is woeful. They even have electrics from the prince of darkness himself (joesef lucas)

DONT GET A JAG. Great engines and bodys but everything else is woeful. They even have electrics from the prince of darkness himself (joesef lucas)
:shock: they are not that bad, i have only heard of these problems, never known anyone with them, and i know a few jag owners! i have heard complaints of the S-Type though, but so far the X-Type and XK and XJ's seem to be ok

How about a G35 Coupe? Fast, reliable and sexy. Plus, it's a Skyline in Japan. :wink:

DONT GET A JAG. Great engines and bodys but everything else is woeful. They even have electrics from the prince of darkness himself (joesef lucas)
:shock: they are not that bad, i have only heard of these problems, never known anyone with them, and i know a few jag owners! i have heard complaints of the S-Type though, but so far the X-Type and XK and XJ's seem to be ok
actualy i was talking about pre 90s cars which are pretty bad

DONT GET A JAG. Great engines and bodys but everything else is woeful. They even have electrics from the prince of darkness himself (joesef lucas)
:shock: they are not that bad, i have only heard of these problems, never known anyone with them, and i know a few jag owners! i have heard complaints of the S-Type though, but so far the X-Type and XK and XJ's seem to be ok
actualy i was talking about pre 90s cars which are pretty bad
ahh, ok, was there anything much worse than those cars? :? :P

No without mentioning Lada, FSM etc

yeah.. avoid jaguar.. as a whole.. infiniti G35 would be exponentially better.. even a Lexus IS300.. nice, sporty and reliable

hahaha we're exploding hes head off!

G35's reallie nice, but i see too many of it on the road, it's not speciall anymore

i'm going to Lexus and BMW dealer this saturday, hopefully i can work out a deal.

G35's reallie nice, but i see too many of it on the road, it's not speciall anymore

i'm going to Lexus and BMW dealer this saturday, hopefully i can work out a deal.
never seen a real one, let alone one on the road!

And get a deal on an M3, its the only way :P

i'm going to Lexus and BMW dealer this saturday, hopefully i can work out a deal.

dont forget to look after GS430 and IS300 :lol: !

he already said he can't get japanese cars only euro

i convinced my mom by saying that Euro cars have bad qualities
like they have to repair it reallie often
and jap cars are reallie reliable and stuff
she's kinda convinced, who knows.

you know.. if i we're you.. i'd be going:

ALL RIGHT!! INFINITI FX45/G35/G35 coupe/LEXUS GS430/IS300 HERE I COME!!! :lol:

you know.. if i we're you.. i'd be going:

ALL RIGHT!! INFINITI FX45/G35/G35 coupe/LEXUS GS430/IS300 HERE I COME!!! :lol:

Out of them i'd take the Lexus IS300 :D Sporty saloon :D

G35 coupe for me.. with all the bells and whistles.. or GS.. or IS.. :D

getting back to the origonal topic. s4 without a doubt. fast, sleek, just a super nice car.

yes.. indeed.. S4 really is nice.. but for reliability reasons.. i'd go with something like a volvo S60R.. but if you still want S4.. i'd rather take an M3..

but for reliability reasons.. i'd go with something like a volvo S60R

Audi is one of the most reliable cars of this world.

i have some questoins about M3 for ppl who live in Europe.
i wonder how much does M3 cost in Europe in American money

i would like to take M3 tooo.it's a sexy car

i wonder how much does M3 cost in Europe in American money

Here in the Netherlands a M3 costs : € 79.750. That would be $99.118.

wow... thats like 40k over list price

wow... thats like 40k over list price
but all the performance cars are cheaper there than here (not Supercars, just sports cars)

wow... thats like 40k over list price
but all the performance cars are cheaper there than here (not Supercars, just sports cars)

And i hate that :evil: :evil:

IMO M3 looks old-fashioned....i'd definitely get something different, but hey!, that's just me :)

S60 R...300bhp
Saab 9-5 Aero...250bhp

and with the spare cash...get it "pimped-up"

S60 R...300bhp

YEEEAHH :)

does anyone know why is there a huge difference in price between Europe and US?
should M3 in Europe cost less? but from what i heard,European M3 cost a lot more?
it doesn't make sense to me.

does anyone know why is there a huge difference in price between Europe and US?
should M3 in Europe cost less? but from what i heard,European M3 cost a lot more?
it doesn't make sense to me.
I dont know why, but nearly every car is cheaper in the US than in Europe (Excluding true supercars like Ferrari, Pagani, Lambrghini etc)
And that sucks loads :evil:

i have some questoins about M3 for ppl who live in Europe.
i wonder how much does M3 cost in Europe in American money
Here in Greece the M3 coupe costs (base) €80.500. That is approx. $97.000. It is a very expensive car.
Cars are cheaper in America because it is a larger market and the taxes are not so heavy. Most companies also have plants in the US so there are no transportation costs... The European M3s are constructed only in Germany.

(note: the M3 in Germany costs €55.100...)

a well equipped M3 in U.S cost $55,000
that's more than 40k less than european price
does M3 symbolize as a "super" car in europe?
or like a "rich man's" car?

cuz in here, some of my friends' already have it.
two brothers, each have one, white and red.
and my other friends' too.