http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pOKqMrOYd0

wow, that was exciting...i cant beleive that it was James May that got in the car, i thought it was CJ who wants to do the legendary speed record thingy, but wow i love the part where it was all silent, 257.6 was the highest i saw on the film, maybe .4 but im not sure..

What I didn't like about the segment was how he kept saying how awesome it was because it was going faster than an F1 car. F1 fan I may be, but F1 cars aren't designed to go super fast down straights. They are, of course, designed to go super fast around corners, and pretty fast down straights, which makes them ultimately quicker than the Veyron. Of course, that's all obvious anyway :p

With my F1 fanboy rant over, the production work in Top Gear is fasntastic, and it really captured the feat that was achieved.

I think James May is actually alot more absurd behind the wheel than he gets credit for.

While I may not agree it's a "Concorde" moment, the film captures the absolute speed of the thing pretty well. But, that's what happens when you use, "Duel of the fates" as a song.

still think that the feat is accomplishable with much less money and weight.

It must be sooo damn eerie having the car being ridiculously calm at crazy speeds and the sight outside the windows must be totally confusing. I suppose the weight of the Veyron can be justified in this sense but still i would like it to be good on a track- lets just wait for the Veyron to hit the TG track- any guesses where it will come in the lap chart positions??

http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn :eek:

still think that the feat is accomplishable with much less money and weight.Well that's yet to be proven.

I'm sure there are some here who still don't believe the Veron to be the worlds fastest production car.

Oh My God, I watched that last night and it was absolutely incredible, you could hear the big trees going whoosh whoosh whoosh whoosh straight past the window, and everything was just in a blur in that massively straight line, to do that in any car would be incredible!

it was an amazing video, and what amazed me the most was not the speed, but how stable it was, other cars would seem like there falling apart, the veyron was unbelievably stable, you could've falling asleep at 250mph, i wonder what would happen if the limiter was removed?

this also makes clarkson the slowest man on top gear, james reached 253mph, and richard was at over 300mph in the vampire dragster

Well that's yet to be proven.Eh, not so much, it was already proven by a Corvette back in 1988.

The Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette did 254.76 MPH piloted by none other then John Lingenfelter himself, and it only had 880 horsepower.

Well that's yet to be proven.

I'm sure there are some here who still don't believe the Veron to be the worlds fastest production car.

Well, while it is, the Sledgehammer Corvette did it over twenty years ago, with less power, but that was a "tuner" car, despite being street legal.

Yeah!!
I watched that and I was laughing at May's expressions and reaction to the record, he just didnt seem to be bothered at all.
JC or Hamster would deeply interrogate the mind boggling ways of the Veyron and how it felt to be going that fast!
I think May should be left to review safe, family, slow cars!

The way James may goes on somtimes is quite annoying, like in the art thing they told him to leave, and the golf course he kept babbling on, then hamster emptied his golf bag, and he calls golf culbs, golf bats,
though he is soo funny to watch

It is accomplishable with less money and weight, however thats not the point of the veyron. The veyron is designed to do huge speeds yet feeling stable and quiet. Yes a bloody skyline or corvette can do that speed with the same amount of power but with a smaller engine. But it would feel like it is about to fall apart at any second, the veyron doesnt give that sensation as james may said. The veyron can do multipe max speed runs and wont need any engine rebuild or anything. Were as a skyline is more highly strung and is less likely to achieve the same number of max speed runs without something going wrong. Rant over, i wish they showed a in car shot of the run way.

still think that the feat is accomplishable with much less money and weight.

I still don't get why people give a monkeys arse about the Veyron. There have been alot of little-known cars previously which have gone faster. check www.supercars.net - there are loads.

EDIT:
1994 Dauer 962 Le Mans - 251.4 mph
Also there are a couple of old Lotecs, a Merc (i think) and quite a few 9FF's (if you count them)
I could tell you more, but I am two drunk to remember any more.

still think that the feat is accomplishable with much less money and weight.


See, what bugs me when people say this is that they're looking at just what the car "should" be. You guys all need to remember, this car has to appeal to people who would want a car like this. Sure, you could definitely strip it out, give it less HP, and make it not look as sharp, but it wouldn't sell to billionaires. This car wouldn't even be MADE if it didn't have sumptuous leather seats, and optional diamonds for the dashboard. think about that.

Woah, I agree with Sonic. It's amazing how stable it is at those speeds. Group C cars appear to be less stable at 400 kmh, but they generate two hundred and eleventy billion times more downforce...

I dont like the Veyron - it looks like a fat kid with his face stuck between lift doors.

I dont like the Veyron - it looks like a fat kid with his face stuck between lift doors.
lmao.

Well, while it may not be the best looking car around, that was a very impressive run. It was very stable and smooth. I can't imagine how it would feel to go that fast.

like riding a fat kid with his face stuck between lift doors at 253 mph. I'm sure everyone has experienced that at some point.

See, that's one thing I have mad respect for. No matter how much I go on about how a motorcycle can probably beat a Veyron around a track and in a quarter mile drag race, it'll never, ever come even close going full out. A 'Busa or a ZX-14 stock will hit maybe 175 if the rider had stones the size of a bowling ball.

However, I still don't think that one reason alone justifies the $1,388,000 price difference between a ZX-14 and a Veyron. You're certainly allowed to think the price does justify the speed, though. I'm not as stubborn as Car_Buff.

See, that's one thing I have mad respect for. No matter how much I go on about how a motorcycle can probably beat a Veyron around a track and in a quarter mile drag race, it'll never, ever come even close going full out. A 'Busa or a ZX-14 stock will hit maybe 175 if the rider had stones the size of a bowling ball.

However, I still don't think that one reason alone justifies the $1,388,000 price difference between a ZX-14 and a Veyron. You're certainly allowed to think the price does justify the speed, though. I'm not as stubborn as Car_Buff.

Well you do get double the wheels and double the seats. Plus 2 million more bhp to play with. But the Ninja looks better :p

thats the problem you see, the bigger your stones the less speed you get, kinda like a double edged sword

See, that's one thing I have mad respect for. No matter how much I go on about how a motorcycle can probably beat a Veyron around a track and in a quarter mile drag race, it'll never, ever come even close going full out. A 'Busa or a ZX-14 stock will hit maybe 175 if the rider had stones the size of a bowling ball.

However, I still don't think that one reason alone justifies the $1,388,000 price difference between a ZX-14 and a Veyron. You're certainly allowed to think the price does justify the speed, though. I'm not as stubborn as Car_Buff.

Eh, not so much, it was already proven by a Corvette back in 1988.

The Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette did 254.76 MPH piloted by none other then John Lingenfelter himself, and it only had 880 horsepower.
Why dont you just admit it? The Veyron is an amazing car......Is it because its European that you dont like it? After reading your 'Top Gear' quote Im begining to think thats what it is.......
Think about that while the Japanese slowly eat away at the American car Industry, ohh and by the way, he started it.........

So what my Top fuel dragster does 0-320mph in 4.6 seconds

LOL cool video though.
A zx14 should be able to beat it up to 170mph but after that its gone.
The motorcycle with a jet engine that Jay leno has can do 250mph+, I think it would be able to beat the veyron.

PS. i ike seeing actual VIDEOS of the cars doing top speed not like the barabus TKR claimed 270mph BS

Well that's yet to be proven.

I'm sure there are some here who still don't believe the Veron to be the worlds fastest production car.

well isnt the Viper Venom 600 the fastest car in the world..by like 2 mph more

your point being, no of the vehicles you mentioned can attain such a high top speed with ease and in a quiet environment

So what my Top fuel dragster does 0-320mph in 4.6 seconds

LOL cool video though.
A zx14 should be able to beat it up to 170mph but after that its gone.
The motorcycle with a jet engine that Jay leno has can do 250mph+, I think it would be able to beat the veyron.

PS. i ike seeing actual VIDEOS of the cars doing top speed not like the brabus claimed 270mph BS

Well that's yet to be proven.

I'm sure there are some here who still don't believe the Veron to be the worlds fastest production car.

actually, guiness worlds records doesnt recognize the veyron as the worlds fastest car, and there have been several posts on that.

i wonder what would happen if the limiter was removed?



I think the limiter is just there to make people think it can go faster than it does. I highly doubt its actually holding anything back.


The thing I hate about the veyron though is the lack of consistancy. siad that the tires will blow out after 15 minutes of going that speed right? wow, thats cool, you get your 15 minutes of greatness before you have to spend even more money on those fancy tires that can go fast as well as withstand the tremendous weight of the veyron? no thanks.

and the fuel tank only has enough in it for the veyron to run at that speed for 10 or 12 minutes (dont rmember exactly)

thats nothing near what I would call consistancy.

example, you have a drag car, you run it 20 times down the strip, and you only get oen run under 10 seconds. can you go around saying oh wow, my car does under ten seconds? no, not quite. I mean you can, but if out of 20 runs you only did it once, you must have had a strong wind behind you or something.

and many of you are contradicting yourselves.

one second your saying its a feat of engineering, the next second your saying the car is only fit for billionares, which is basically telling me, you think its amazing that it can go that fast, and yet the rest of the **** inside is meant to sell it to billionares, which is by no means any sort of feat of engineering. that is a feat of marketing. comeplelty different subject.

see, it would be a feat of engineering if it was deisgned like the f40. cause then, rather than weighing a billion pounds, it would weigh less, have better accleration, would reach a top speed of probably 20 mies per hour faster and the fuel would last longer because it would have to work so hard to propel its fat ass.

I dont want to turn this into a veyron bash fest or anything, but you guys really need to gets your opinions straight, not to mention the facts. worlds fastest production car? no. feat of engineering? not quite. marketing success? they lose 4 million on every veyron sold. and I thought it was bad that ford loses 2,000 on every car they sell....

your point being, no of the vehicles you mentioned can attain such a high top speed with ease and in a quiet environment

On a short run way the MTT was clocked in the 220mph area, give it those 5 miles and someone that can hold on and you are aiming for the stars.

Why dont you just admit it? The Veyron is an amazing car......Is it because its European that you dont like it? After reading your 'Top Gear' quote Im begining to think thats what it is.......
Think about that while the Japanese slowly eat away at the American car Industry, ohh and by the way, he started it.........I sent you a PM, not to take this thread anymore offtopic.

one second your saying its a feat of engineering, the next second your saying the car is only fit for billionares, which is basically telling me, you think its amazing that it can go that fast, and yet the rest of the **** inside is meant to sell it to billionares, which is by no means any sort of feat of engineering. that is a feat of marketing. comeplelty different subject.

see, it would be a feat of engineering if it was deisgned like the f40. cause then, rather than weighing a billion pounds, it would weigh less, have better accleration, would reach a top speed of probably 20 mies per hour faster and the fuel would last longer because it would have to work so hard to propel its fat ass.

You're not getting it. This car. would not be made. if it didn't have that interior. mkay?
In order to back up the money the VW lost in the R&D for this car they needed to make it incredibly fancy to appeal to the Monaco-South Beach type. Yeah, they could have put a stripped out interior and magnesium rims, and all that, but they wouldn't have sold nearrrrly as many (in the hypercar production sense at least). Plus, they would have had to sell it for less, because it's not as comfortable, or luxurious as other things.
Rich people nowadays want the fastest-most comfortable-most expensive-most ridiculous-best all around supercar they can buy, and that's what they got with the Veyron.
If they wanted this to be more like an F40, they'd buy an F40.

And if they already had an F40?

Meh, I wouldn't complain about a second F40.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't complain about a first either.

Eh, not so much, it was already proven by a Corvette back in 1988.

The Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette did 254.76 MPH piloted by none other then John Lingenfelter himself, and it only had 880 horsepower.

Well, while it is, the Sledgehammer Corvette did it over twenty years ago, with less power, but that was a "tuner" car, despite being street legal.
Street legal and production cars are two different things.:p

Nice video! The Veyron sure IS an incredible car but still its not really my type...

The thing I hate about the veyron though is the lack of consistancy. siad that the tires will blow out after 15 minutes of going that speed right? wow, thats cool, you get your 15 minutes of greatness before you have to spend even more money on those fancy tires that can go fast as well as withstand the tremendous weight of the veyron? no thanks.

and the fuel tank only has enough in it for the veyron to run at that speed for 10 or 12 minutes (dont rmember exactly)

thats nothing near what I would call consistancy.

and many of you are contradicting yourselves.

one second your saying its a feat of engineering, the next second your saying the car is only fit for billionares, which is basically telling me, you think its amazing that it can go that fast, and yet the rest of the **** inside is meant to sell it to billionares, which is by no means any sort of feat of engineering. that is a feat of marketing. comeplelty different subject.

see, it would be a feat of engineering if it was deisgned like the f40. cause then, rather than weighing a billion pounds, it would weigh less, have better accleration, would reach a top speed of probably 20 mies per hour faster and the fuel would last longer because it would have to work so hard to propel its fat ass.

I dont want to turn this into a veyron bash fest or anything, but you guys really need to gets your opinions straight, not to mention the facts. worlds fastest production car? no. feat of engineering? not quite. marketing success? they lose 4 million on every veyron sold. and I thought it was bad that ford loses 2,000 on every car they sell....

Are you high or something? I mean, I can't believe you've actually driven me to defend the Veyron, but here I go.

How long did you expect the tires and fuel to last at those speeds? And more importantly, why would you need to go 253mph for more than that time anyways? There's not a straight in the world long enough for that. It takes a hell of a lot of energy and power to maintain that speed. Hell, I'm impressed it can maintain it at all. The McLaren F1 couldn't keep 240 for more than a couple of seconds before it would go into a seemingly uncontrollable speed wobble.

I don't understand the "contradicting" statement. I think it's an amazing work of engineering, yet I still think it's amazingly expensive. How is that a contradiction? I call that an opinion.

And stop with the whole "it should weigh as much as an F40" argument. That was never, ever the purpose of this car. It wasn't made to hustle around a track. It wasn't made to compromise comfort and luxury. It was made to be the ultimate luxury car, and that's what it is. Anyone can take a race car to those speeds, but it takes years of work to make a luxury car go that fast.

You're a very cocky kid, because you seem to think you can design and engineer a car that's faster, more efficent, cheaper and lighter than the Veyron. Well, the truth is, you can't. You're not an engineer, nor are you a designer. You're a kid, and the Volkswagen group is full of guys with things like Doctorates in Physics and Aerodynamics. I'm confident that they produced an absolutely astounding piece of machinery. Whether or not you want to call it an actual car is up to you, but it's a machine nevertheless, and it is amazing. The fact that a simple British man, a man without years of top level racing experience, can pilot the Veyron to its top speed by doing nothing more than holding the pedal down is unbelievable. And it's the same top speed everytime, too! And the car is perfectly stable and quiet while going 253mph. Even the most jaded Veyron-basher has to admit that that's pretty cool. If not, you're lying to yourself and everyone on this forum.

=D>=D>=D>=D>=D>


Are you high or something? I mean, I can't believe you've actually driven me to defend the Veyron, but here I go.

How long did you expect the tires and fuel to last at those speeds? And more importantly, why would you need to go 253mph for more than that time anyways? There's not a straight in the world long enough for that. It takes a hell of a lot of energy and power to maintain that speed. Hell, I'm impressed it can maintain it at all. The McLaren F1 couldn't keep 240 for more than a couple of seconds before it would go into a seemingly uncontrollable speed wobble.

I don't understand the "contradicting" statement. I think it's an amazing work of engineering, yet I still think it's amazingly expensive. How is that a contradiction? I call that an opinion.

And stop with the whole "it should weigh as much as an F40" argument. That was never, ever the purpose of this car. It wasn't made to hustle around a track. It wasn't made to compromise comfort and luxury. It was made to be the ultimate luxury car, and that's what it is. Anyone can take a race car to those speeds, but it takes years of work to make a luxury car go that fast.

You're a very cocky kid, because you seem to think you can design and engineer a car that's faster, more efficent, cheaper and lighter than the Veyron. Well, the truth is, you can't. You're not an engineer, nor are you a designer. You're a kid, and the Volkswagen group is full of guys with things like Doctorates in Physics and Aerodynamics. I'm confident that they produced an absolutely astounding piece of machinery. Whether or not you want to call it an actual car is up to you, but it's a machine nevertheless, and it is amazing. The fact that a simple British man, a man without years of top level racing experience, can pilot the Veyron to its top speed by doing nothing more than holding the pedal down is unbelievable. And it's the same top speed everytime, too! And the car is perfectly stable and quiet while going 253mph. Even the most jaded Veyron-basher has to admit that that's pretty cool. If not, you're lying to yourself and everyone on this forum.

Are you high or something? I mean, I can't believe you've actually driven me to defend the Veyron, but here I go.

How long did you expect the tires and fuel to last at those speeds? And more importantly, why would you need to go 253mph for more than that time anyways? There's not a straight in the world long enough for that. It takes a hell of a lot of energy and power to maintain that speed. Hell, I'm impressed it can maintain it at all. The McLaren F1 couldn't keep 240 for more than a couple of seconds before it would go into a seemingly uncontrollable speed wobble.

I don't understand the "contradicting" statement. I think it's an amazing work of engineering, yet I still think it's amazingly expensive. How is that a contradiction? I call that an opinion.

And stop with the whole "it should weigh as much as an F40" argument. That was never, ever the purpose of this car. It wasn't made to hustle around a track. It wasn't made to compromise comfort and luxury. It was made to be the ultimate luxury car, and that's what it is. Anyone can take a race car to those speeds, but it takes years of work to make a luxury car go that fast.

You're a very cocky kid, because you seem to think you can design and engineer a car that's faster, more efficent, cheaper and lighter than the Veyron. Well, the truth is, you can't. You're not an engineer, nor are you a designer. You're a kid, and the Volkswagen group is full of guys with things like Doctorates in Physics and Aerodynamics. I'm confident that they produced an absolutely astounding piece of machinery. Whether or not you want to call it an actual car is up to you, but it's a machine nevertheless, and it is amazing. The fact that a simple British man, a man without years of top level racing experience, can pilot the Veyron to its top speed by doing nothing more than holding the pedal down is unbelievable. And it's the same top speed everytime, too! And the car is perfectly stable and quiet while going 253mph. Even the most jaded Veyron-basher has to admit that that's pretty cool. If not, you're lying to yourself and everyone on this forum.

Wow man, respect! I've been trying to tell car_buff for quite some time now that the Veyron isn't such a cruddy car and that he can't design a better one, but you've just mastered it once and for all. Thank you.

your telling me it was built to only be a luxury car? so the thousand hp and excessivly deigned engine is for luxury? i dont think so

luxury cars arent made so that they can be sold and lose money at the same time.

That was never, ever the purpose of this car. It wasn't made to hustle around a track. It wasn't made to compromise comfort and luxury. It was made to be the ultimate luxury car,

they wouldnt need guys with doctorates in physics and aerdynaims if the damn thing didnt weigh so goddamn much. I swaer, Im happy it doesnt go faster and the fuel burns out sooner, cause weighing as much as that god awful thing does if it did go any faster for any longer amount of time it may actually cause the earths rotation to change.

jokes aside, this is the fundamental reason i hate the veyron. this is the reason that all reasons get down to, the very root of my problem with it.

I hate rich people. On top of that, I hate big business. so, not only is a big bussiness making a comepltly wasteful and overly engineered car that sells to multimillionares and loses money while doing so, while not causing any damage to the company in the process, but the car isnt even all that it could be perfromance wise anyways.

You just told me its not meant to go around tracks, its all luxury right? ****ign wrong man. the goodamn rolls royce is all luxry and not meant to go around corners on a track, or even see the asphalt of a drag strip. it can weigh alot cause it doesnt matter how much it weighs. It can have 500 hp, so that itll move around decently on the highway and have some passing power.

veyron is a rolls royce phantom that some guy who apparently has a doctorate in areodynamics decided to make ugly as ****, only have two seats although its the same size and weight, and added more power to it in the most inneficient way I can imagien (did I ever mention I hate inneficiency?) and then some guy took out the great plush interior, added a newer plusher one, along with a stereo system that costs more than most peoples cars, and on top of that they thought it would be cool to slap some diamonds int the dash.

if it wasnt for racing, they wouldnt have that absurd engine, 10 or whatever radiators, 4 turbos, the aerodyamics, the 7 speed or whatever automatic transmission that was deisgned specifically for this car.

if it wasnt meant to go fast, it simply wouldnt, end of story. if it was meant to be a luxury car, it would have more than two seats. name any other car in the world that is defined as a luxury car and not as a sports car that has only two seats. i really dont think there is one.

the veyron is fast. big deal. with all the money invested into it, it could be a hell uv alot faster than it is.

btw, I never said it should be as light as the f40, i merely mentioned it should be more LIKE the f40 in terms of weight. huge difference.

btw, none of you need to have a heart attack just cause I dont agree with you. it cools that my opinion actually matters to you and all, but you should still be able to live a metally healthy life even though my thoughts dont work the same as yours

Wow, you are a smart kid.

Let me quote you

"btw, I never said it should be as light as the f40, i merely mentioned it should be more LIKE the f40 in terms of weight. huge difference."


WTF

something that is light or heavy has weight, so you are contradicting yourself, if it is like the F40 in weight then it is as light as the F40.

thats the first big thing you said that was bonkers

Secondly

You said

"name any other car in the world that is defined as a luxury car and not as a sports car that has only two seats. i really dont think there is one."

So why do you think they made one, because no one else has. It is more of a GT that can really go fast. Think of it as a Continental that is made for 253 miles per hour.

Also, what is the root of your problem, the weight or the rich people?

Thirdly

You said

"You just told me its not meant to go around tracks, its all luxury right? ****ign wrong man. the goodamn rolls royce is all luxry and not meant to go around corners on a track, or even see the asphalt of a drag strip. it can weigh alot cause it doesnt matter how much it weighs. It can have 500 hp, so that itll move around decently on the highway and have some passing power."

Maybe the Veyron weighs that much because it is not meant to be true "sportscar", even though that term is applied to way to many cars. The Veyron has 1000 hp so that it can move around more decently on the highway and has extra passing power.

Finally you said this

If it wasnt for racing, they wouldnt have that absurd engine, 10 or whatever radiators, 4 turbos, the aerodyamics, the 7 speed or whatever automatic transmission that was deisgned specifically for this car.

Racing what, they arent making it a producton race car, they made it to make a statement, that a luxury 2 seater can acheive 253 without too much trouble. You don't even know if it would do great in racing because no one as far as I know is going to take to any sanctioned races, and if they do they would be tinkering around with the setup of the car to make it a racing car.


You have said some confusing things that do need some answers. As for me, I am not a huge fan of the Veyron, I still think it looks likea blob, it has been beaten by a Sledgehammer and may be later on this year by an SSC. It is not overly spectacular to me, although I would not mind owning one. Not my first choice in supercars though, CCX I like better.

I say all this with an open mind and a healthy heart.

the f40 is light, due to its carbon fibre body panals, its lack of what most people would call an interior, its complelte lack of all the stupid gadgetry that comes standard on most modern day cars, and to lessen the weight they even only have a single coat of paint, which is thin enough to see the weave of the carbon fibre.

this is what I mean be "like the f40". the meaning fo what I said should have been obvious to anyone who knows why the f40 is light as a feather and handles like a gocart.

you said
"So why do you think they made one, because no one else has. It is more of a GT that can really go fast. Think of it as a Continental that is made for 253 miles per hour."

what in the **** is the point of a luxury car? I dont consider it much of a lexury to only be able to bring along on of my friends. luxury would be a car in which I would be able to bring quite a few of my friends.

obviously this few is dependant upon how many friends you have.


you said
"The Veyron has 1000 hp so that it can move around more decently on the highway and has extra passing power."

are you kidding me? the veyron would have to weigh more than twice as much as it does to be able to merely move around decently ona highway and have some good passing power. the ability to exceed 200 mph is not, good passing power. its fuel to the egocentric mind.


it may not have been pu into any sanctioned races, but it has been on race tracks. on the nuburgring is clocked in at a measly 2.9 seconds faster than a 2006 zo6 corvette (I would have used a different exapmle, but I couldnt remember one)

I hope the answers help you out.

Measured by GPS in 88'

Right ?

I'd love to see proof.They used radar to measure the speed which happens to be very, very, very accurate and did exist in 1988.

the f40 is light, due to its carbon fibre body panals, its lack of what most people would call an interior, its complelte lack of all the stupid gadgetry that comes standard on most modern day cars, and to lessen the weight they even only have a single coat of paint, which is thin enough to see the weave of the carbon fibre.


So basically you wanted Bugatti to make an F40 look a like in terms of features, but so it goes 253 mph.

this is what I mean be "like the f40". the meaning fo what I said should have been obvious to anyone who knows why the f40 is light as a feather and handles like a gocart.

You said weight and like the F40 in the same sentence, you never mentioned handling or interior trim in your previous post at all. Don't believe me, then look for yourself.

you said
"So why do you think they made one, because no one else has. It is more of a GT that can really go fast. Think of it as a Continental that is made for 253 miles per hour."

what in the **** is the point of a luxury car? I dont consider it much of a lexury to only be able to bring along on of my friends. luxury would be a car in which I would be able to bring quite a few of my friends.

obviously this few is dependant upon how many friends you have.

Dude you made me LAUGH OUT LOUD after that one. This not only shows how you think but that you are have the wrong state of mind when it comes to cars and life for that matter. No one ever said a luxury car has to fit you and all your little ditzy friends. That is your own opinion so trying to impose that on me is just stupid. Which brings me to the how many friends I have comment. You could have kept it professional, but you realized you are losing and so you try to make it personal, to tell you the honest truth, you failed. If I had the Veyron I would bring that certain girl of my life and drive with her by my side. And who says you cannot bring one friend at a time.

you said
"The Veyron has 1000 hp so that it can move around more decently on the highway and has extra passing power."

are you kidding me? the veyron would have to weigh more than twice as much as it does to be able to merely move around decently ona highway and have some good passing power. the ability to exceed 200 mph is not, good passing power. its fuel to the egocentric mind.

Why would it have to weigh 2x as much. 200 mph is not good passing power....hmmmmmm. One, unless you are a dumbass you would not drive at that speed in everyday driving, two the acceleration of the car itself is what provides the passing power. If someone knows they can pass at 200 mph then good for them, but they might be as good as dead if they try it.


it may not have been pu into any sanctioned races, but it has been on race tracks. on the nuburgring is clocked in at a measly 2.9 seconds faster than a 2006 zo6 corvette (I would have used a different exapmle, but I couldnt remember one)

Nurburgring can be used in many cases to tell how a car performs, but the full lap deal can be affected by the weather conditions other traffic and who drives it and how big their cojones are in a Million+automobile rather than a more relaxed price of the Z06. Also the times at the ring are not completely how manufacturers determine how well their cars are, some may say oh look now we can brag, but true bragging rights come from head to head competition, and as far as I know, I have yet to see any one of the top ring cars race the Veyron head to head.

I hope the answers help you out.

They did not.

the "this is dependant upon how many friends you have was by no mans directed at you. by you, I was refering to anyone who may be reading this, and not you.

you, are taking this way to personal and need to chill out. understand everyone reads these posts, not just you. I try to direct my posts to speak to everyone, were i speaking to you I would have said your username directly

as far as my answers helping you, well Im sorry. and were i attacking you personally I have a rather funny joke I could add to this, but sadly have to refrain from using for the purpose of "professioanlism"

as if i get paid to post on here

I completely agree with clutch. Car_buff, to tell you the truth I think I've only agreed with one of your opinions and it was a pretty common knowledge "blanket" statement. For everything else I just read it and go "wtf?". All your doing is looking at the numbers for the car, and trying to change it to what YOU want it to be like. I find it ridiculous that this car isn't impressive to you. You need to remember, this is NOT a race car. It is a fast cruiser. That's it.
That being said, it is also not half bad for it's weight and size on a racetrack. If you don't like it, then build a comfortable, everyday driveable supercar that can go 253 MPH easily, and has half the features this one does.

what in the **** is the point of a luxury car? I dont consider it much of a lexury to only be able to bring along on of my friends. luxury would be a car in which I would be able to bring quite a few of my friends.
I really didn't want to enter this discussion but...since when the luxury has anything to do with the capacity of carrying people?!?

A luxury vehicle is a vehicle which provides a great abundance of ease and comfort. Although there can be a great range of "vehicles" that offer luxurious settings, a true luxury car will be a car (sedan, coupé, hatchback, station wagon, roadster, etc.), a light truck (light pickup trucks), or a sport utility vehicle. Luxury vehicles place more emphasis on comfort, appearance, and amenities than on performance, economy, or utility. Furthermore, they usually offer more modern technology, higher quality materials, and are often built in smaller numbers than more affordable mass-market vehicles
^it may not be always a reliable source but sometimes wikipedia can be useful :rolleyes:

The only difference between that definition and te whole Veyron concept is that the Bugatti is a luxury car but more focused on performance than others luxury vehicles on the market.

^^ i plan to (in response to porscheboys post)

the odds are agaisnt me, I like em that why. and I dont care if a fail, whose gonna blame me for trying?

it is impressive for weighing as much as it does. but the differnce between me and everyone else is that I dont think it should way as much as it does. nor cost as much as it does for that matter.

the only reason its impressive is due to its massive weight. if it weighed 1000kg of whever the equates to in pounds, for a 1000 hp, no one would be impressed. unless it still had all the mumbo jumbo in it, then theyd be impressed that they car only weighs 200 pounds without all of it.

I veiw the veyron as an accomplishment of the rich for the rich. did they develope any kind of new technolgy that will reach the common folk? no. all that money, just to build a car that has a fancy interior, and goes fast as hell to sell to rich people. great, no tom cruise looks like even more of a moron, as if owning the supposed wolrds fastest production car will make him cooler?

the veyron was a comeplte waste of time by all those who worked on it. they are making very limited numbers of it, it is going to sell to a very select group of rich people, who may actually drive slightly more often than their ferrari enzo's. who knows, maybe theyll use it as a daily driver.

so, the whole point of the veyron sums up to; proving they can make a fast car that still qaulifies as "luxury" and selling to a few people who will never use them to their full potential.

wow. volkwagen and buggati and whoever the hell else was involved has really impressed me now. I mean, I might as well worship them now that they can amke fast cars that only sell to super rich people.

give me a break. I mean, the damn veyron makes ferrari look like a very obtainable car byu means of availability and price.

and what I said about potential earlier, if any of you have ever paid attention to half my post you would know I look at a 427 and see 1000 hp easy. should know I look at a viper v 10 enigne and see an easy 800 hp N/A engine. potential, and acheiving that, means everything to me. it all about pushing it to the next level.

the only next level the veyron has pushed to is a few more miles per hour more than a few other cars, and they pushed their "target group" to which they market their cars to from hundred thousand aires, to millionaires.

wow, I am simply loving that amazing acheivement.

the veyron is fast. I dont deny it. but can any of you deny that it could be faster?

and still be comfortable? I dunno about you, but I dont need a 30,000 dollar stereo and diamonds in my dashboard for me to be comfortable. hell, I think a $600 dollar stereo is nice. and as for comfy, chevy s10s and jeep cherokee laredo's are comfy as hell. anything more than that, it would probably put my into a omatose state in which surgery could comence upon m body I wouldnt even know.

Your opinion if the Veyron is, well your own. Yet the only reason I even respond to your words is because some do not make sense, and some do and I want to comment about them.

The car to you is a big waste of Earth's elements and time, very well that is your opinion. Think about it this way though, there must be some kids who have a big poster of a Veyron in their room and it is their dream car, just as some of US had/have posters of cars we used to/or currently love.

So if you feel like shooting up all the members of Veyrons engineering team, then you know what it is your opinion, but saying that it is wrong and trying to support it with "facts" is not credible and in fact imposing ideas upon others.

Once again this is my opinion and I say it in a neutral form.

imposing you ideas would be telling you, blatantly, like so

"your a moron, your opinion is flase, you are stupid, and only I am right"

obviously ive said nothing of the like. Its my opinion the veyron could be alot more.

and its everyone elses opinon that the veyron is the great thing to ever bless this earth and quite frankly i think its those people who are doing the opinion imposing, not me. I'm not trying to convince you to think the veyron sucks, im just telling you why thats what I think.

where as everyone else is telling my that i am stupid, or high, because i think the veyron is an utter peice of trash.

When it comes down to it, in my opinion at least, I think that the reason so many fights break out between Veyron likers and haters is because the likers want the haters to at least respect the Veyron for what it is and what it does.

I respect the fact that it is quick, expensive, and advanced compared to cars on the road today. Some people are just want to bash the crap out of it, and I think even that is wrong. If you respect it for what it was made for then you are in the right frame of mind, you don't have to like it, just respect it capabilites.

And car_buff this statement was in no way directed to you as an individual it is a general statement to every mindless basher of the Veyron. You already recognize that it is really quck and that in some form is respect for the car.

If the Veyron was a bare bones supercar that rattled and squeaked like a Ferrari F40, it wouldn't be a Bugatti. If the Veyron was light "like" an F40, it wouldn't be stable at 253mph, for it would be stripped of all the technology required to handle such high velocety.

But all of your gripes don't change the fact that the Bugatti Veyron is the worlds fastest, most expensive production car.[-X

BTW, if you hate rich people, then you should hate every car company in the world... as well as every car in the world, for anyone who successfully produces an automobile, has a good amount of money.

Except for Daimler-Chrysler and Ford.

^^ and my favorite trucks are jeeps and the f series, :p

as far as companies I generally only hate those who outosurce their work to other countries, and those like mcdonalds who have no loyalty whatsoever to the people who buy their product, only to those who invest in it.

other than that, my general disdain for rich people is gnerally more percepted towards the fact that they think they should have less taxes than normal people cause it seems like they pay more than less foruante people, although its all in proportion. also, they tend to be snobby, which I hate. not all rich people. just most of them.

You shouldn't complain about the Veyron until you actually understand why it was built and what it was supposed to do.

well, that got me hypo:)

awesome vid though!!

However way you see it, the Veyron is a car that will have marked automotive history.

Hell, 9-11 will mark history as well - I choose to see it as a negative thing that the Veyron will mark history.

I hate the Veyron because it makes me hungry. It looks like one of these delicious chocolate turtles!
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/309/image002co9.jpg

What I didn't like about the segment was how he kept saying how awesome it was because it was going faster than an F1 car. F1 fan I may be, but F1 cars aren't designed to go super fast down straights. They are, of course, designed to go super fast around corners, and pretty fast down straights, which makes them ultimately quicker than the Veyron. Of course, that's all obvious anyway :p

With my F1 fanboy rant over, the production work in Top Gear is fasntastic, and it really captured the feat that was achieved.

You no, the Veyron is also faster than F1 cars round corners, too, the spoiler adds downforce... :p

^^ wow

your completly wrong.

you have no idea

a veyron may be able to pull a g, or a little more than a g in a corner, but thats nothing compared to the multiple g's f1 cars can pull off.

You no, the Veyron is also faster than F1 cars round corners, too, the spoiler adds downforce... :pThe spoiler doesn't add half the downforce as the spoilers of F1 cars. Plus F1 cars have downforce generating aero devices all over their body, and a front spoiler that generates even more downforce than the rear spoiler of the Veyron. Roadcars generate no downforce compared to F1 cars

You no, the Veyron is also faster than F1 cars round corners, too, the spoiler adds downforce... :p

The Veyron weighs about 3 and a half times more than an F1 car, and doesn't produce as much downforce as an F1 car. There's no way it would compete with an F1 car. I think the slalom speed for the Veyron is like 68mph or something, which is pretty good, but still nothing compared to F1.

The SSC Ultimate Aero is waaay faster than the Veyron. Can we praise that instead?

It hasn't even been proven. The Veyron is praised because it does exactly what it's supposed to do. The Barabus TKR is fast too, but it turned out to be a load of crap. They don't respond to questions and their website has been down for months and months now. Obviously, their little scheme failed, and was just overhyped.

Jesus haha that is mighty fast, i thought james may would not of been the guy to try it

^i agree there.. his a better driver then we though, and JC was probably scared to do it.. lol