I wanna know everyones choice. Personal i hate Ford and i love camaros. so i got to go with a camaro SS over a GT anyday

Mustang is my choise. Though nothing is compared to a Vette "Stingray" ! :mrgreen:

I like the Mustang way better than the camaro but there's not a big difference in the engine :!:

im in the UK and we dont get that many AMerican cars over here...
but the new mustang seems to be one of few that will translate well. Personally I go for a mustand over the corvette...just a european's view.

Im from Hellas dude and here American supercars r xtremely rare. I can see your point for the mustangs. Being a European i totally understand what you'r saying. Late mustangs doesnt look so much "American", and that is probably why we like them. But i have to insist that Vette "Stingray" is one of the most beautiful cars ever.

oh dont get me wrong the vette - a fantastic looking car, but in terms of owning one in the UK the mustang would be a safer bet than something like the vette.
But when it all comes down to it I dont think corvette or ford have anything to compete with Stutgart's and Maranello's finest :P

Hehhehe you're right man. But instead of Stutgart let me put Munich :twisted:

I would say, that the Lotus Elise GT is better looking..!
It it really nice..
The best looking car i'd say... :)

the elise also is a goodlooking car, but i would never say it was the best looking car! :D

I love way more the mustang, the engine are like the same but i think that the mustang i way more nicer

Get it straight camaros have 5.7 liter, mustangs have 4.6 liter. that is a huge difference, don't trust me... look at the 0-60 on the camaro SS and the Mustang GT

It would appear all you guys don't really know much but that's ok, most of you (not all) are probably into the whole import car scene rather than the REAL fast and furious cars from Ford, Chevy, and Dodge. Ok, as for the whole Camaro SS and Mustang GT, let's get one thing straight, it's like comparing David to Goliath. The SS has 325 horsepower to the GT's 260 and is quite a bit faster than the GT as well, but also much more expensive (not to mention extinct lol). If you were going to match Camaro to Mustang, match the Z28 to the GT, both V8's. And for you Chevy guys out there, the SS is fast, no denying that, but is no match for the Mustang Cobra. Unless you are blind, Ford has won the Camaro/Mustang Battle.

Personally, i thin it's too close to tell. you europeans wouldn't get the love affari that america has with the camaro and the mustang. I don't think that europeans have had cars that have lasted 40+ years (maybe the Esprit?). I find it sad that GM killed the camaro and firebird, though i think it needed to go. It got fat and ugly and slow, even with a really powerful V-8. The mustang has stayed basiclly the same size, but got boring in appearence.

They both have an amazing history. The Mustang was the first it's kind. A small, sporty coupe thats functional and powerful. The first model hit showrooms it 1964 and a half.( yes, 1964 1/2!). This would become the first of what has been affectionatly named "Pony cars", named after th stang. To become a pony car, the car must be small and sporty. It should have a long hood (bonnet) and short trunk (boot). It must be a ddevil at the racetrack, but an angel to drive around. But, there was a problem with the first stang. The engine bay would only accept the 289 smallblock, which could only produce so much horsepower. So, in 1967, Ford changed the engine bay to accept all of the engines ford had to offer, including the infamous 428 Cobra jet. The mustang stayed the same for a couple of years, then the boss 302 came around in 1969. It was a bad looking machine, with a small wing, flat black hood, boss 302 graphics and the powerful 302 smallblock. It was made to go against the Dodge Super Bee and Plymouth Roadrunner. These cars were designed to maximize performance and cut down on price. The same year the mustang mach 1 came out, with it's 428 cobra jet, sport roof fastback tail, shaker hood and hood pins. The next year, the stang was restyled once again, but the styling started going down hill. The mustang put on some weight and bulk, and was no longer a pony car. In '71, the stang was dead in my eyes. Ford came out with the mustang 2, and it was the most un-mustang car ever. It was then shot back to life in 1995. The styling was completly changed, with sexy round curves and some real horsepower! It was agin restyled in 1999, and has never changed since.

Now it's time for Camaro (if your still reading this). Due to the popularity of the mustang, GM decided to get on the ponycar bandwagon. In 1967, Chevrolet introduced the camaro. It was more of a guys car than the mustang. It had hidden headlights and a big engine, the 396. It was an excellent car. It was all any american could want in a car. In 1969, a man named don yenko had a novel idea. Stick GM's trusty and powerful 427 into the small camaro and beutiful things enssued. The '69 Yenko super camaro was born. A car that could do the 1/4 mile in a stout 13 seconds at 115 mph. But his camaro was nothing compared to the Camaro ZL1. The most powerful and most expensive camaro ever to come out of detroit! WIth the NHRA designed ZL1 engine, this baby produced more than 600 horsepower. This came at a price though, $7,269. This is roughly $100,000 in todays terms. But, like the mustang, the camaro was restyled for the worse. It got fat and ugly. But, unlike the mustang, this didn't last as long, only a couple of years. In 1985, the 5.0 liter IROC-Z was introduced. It was a the only attempt at reamaking the muscle car era. It was big, loud and fast. In 1993, the camaro was restyled again. It got bigger, yes, but it also got faster. And in 1999, as with the mustang, it got restyled again. But this is the last style the camaro would ever see. In 2002, GM stopped production on this great american legend. But, hey, it could pull a thunderbird and make a comeback!

So you see, this is dilemma for me. Both these cars to me are so equal. They both have there strong points and there weaknesses. I think both of these cars are great.

Get it straight camaros have 5.7 liter, mustangs have 4.6 liter. that is a huge difference, don't trust me... look at the 0-60 on the camaro SS and the Mustang GT

God, i can't believe you just compared the SS with a GT :? ............. i may not be an expert but that was bad comapro, maybe a mach 1 with an SS but not a GT, it's like comparing a Z28 with a Cobra 03 or a Cobra R

I think, to truley compare a car vs another, you must look beyond performance. You have to look at it's history. You also have to look at the stylig and the simplicity of the machine.

I think, to truley compare a car vs another, you must look beyond performance. You have to look at it's history. You also have to look at the stylig and the simplicity of the machine.

of course - we all see that when we prefer a slower car over a faster one. - id say its just that performance is the only one that can be put on paper easily.

Camaro and only camaro
the mustang stuck in the past and thats it.

What do you mean by stuck in the past? Apparenttly staying in the past is good, because the camaro/firebird is dead. You also have to look at the purpose. The mustang was made to be a little more sporty, and ford focused on the suspension. The camaro was just the oppasite. It was made to be fast in a straight line, as was the mindset of most of the american cars of the time. Look at any car reveiws of the time. A mustang could destroy a camaro in a road course. But then again, how many mustangs do you see at the dragstrip. almost none. How many camaros do you see? Almost 75% of the cars at the srtip were 67 or 68 camaros.

But if this comparison is for pony cars, the mustang and camaro wern't the only ones availabe. The plymouth barracuda was a pony car and came out half a year after the stang. IT was a pony car just as much as the stang or camaro.

My favorite muscle car would be the 1970 HEMI 'Cuda or a T/A HEMI Challenger. They could both destroy any mustang or camaro.

It was made to be fast in a straight line, as was the mindset of most of the american cars of the time. Look at any car reveiws of the time. A mustang could destroy a camaro in a road course

I thoght that too, but camaro's have been more succesful in racing, mustang is better stock but camaro has big mod potential.

Anyway i like the mustang better

i still think it's way to close to tell. It's even more legendary than the STi/ Evo battle.

i still think it's way to close to tell. It's even more legendary than the STi/ Evo battle.

I know, and american muscle ROCKS so it's more interesting race

aren't you from europe. You must be on eof the cool people from europe! everyone fromwere you're from hates american cars, especilly muscle cars. European cars are great, but there's nothing like the thunderous roar of bigass american big block.

i must agree with him. Most Europeans don't like American cars (im from America) but you do. thats cool. He is right about european cars too. You got your BMW's, Ferrari's, Lambo's, Mercedez's, ETC. but you can never top any american classic car, not statisically but reputation wise

muscle cars are far superior because of there simplicity. Come on ,who could take apart the engine of a porsche or a ferrari or tune it for a lower compresion?

aren't you from europe. You must be on eof the cool people from europe! everyone fromwere you're from hates american cars, especilly muscle cars. European cars are great, but there's nothing like the thunderous roar of bigass american big block.

Kind of, my parents are from UK but i was born in ecuador and i live in argentina, and i love most cars to be honest, i like fast jap cars (someones anyway), i love european hot-hatchs and supercars, but american muscle has that taste..........it rocks

exactly! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

There is nothing wrong with Euro cars. Like i have always said BMW to me is really the ultimate driving machine. there is so much technology and engineering behind there cars, but like Mopar said American cars are far more simplistic. Still, offer me a 2003 BMW M3 or a 2003 Mustang Cobra, i will without a doubt take the M3

I'd probaly take the M3 also. The SVT mustang is really young, so all the bugs and impurities in the chassis, suspension and interior. The engine, drivetrain and exterior are perfect. Now, take a 1965 Shelby Cobra R code vs. an M3, and it would be a diffrent story!

Without a doubt i agree with you again Mopar. Me and you have a very similar taste for cars. Although my favorite car is a 1967 Chevelle, because i was born into chevy's.

Chevys are pretty nice. But me, I'm more of a mopar fan. They were just so inovative. My favorite chevy would probaly be either a 69 COPO camaro or a 69 ZL1 Corvette. Nothing cooler than those, except for a 68 Dodge Charger R/T with a 440, black exterior, 4-speed manual and a white bumble bee stripe. In my opnion, that is the defanition of what a muscle car is.

What do you think of the 70's Trans AMs? I love that car and that engine block

The 70 trans am is a pretty nice car. To be honest, though, i don't know much about it. I didn't know pontiac made a trans am for 1970. They made them in '69, but all i've heard of from 1970 is the firebird trans am. It cam ewith the 400 ram air. It had a 10.5:1 compresion ratio. There were two engine options, one was a 345hp and 370hp version. The later only sold 59 automatics and 29 manuals. The smaller engine option sold 1,339 with autos and 1,769 with a stick. They sold at $4,305 at base price. It came with some pretty cool standard features, such as a front air dam, rear spoiler, shaker hood, side air extractors, aerodynamic mirrors, stabilizer bars, heavy duty shocks and springs, concealed windshield wipers, bucket seats, carpets, vinyl interior, power brakes and steering and 15-inch rally II wheels. IT could do the 0-60 in 5.7 seconds ant the quarter mile in 14.1 seconds at 103 mph. It was a pretty sweet car. Although if i had $4,305, i would buy a 'Cuda or something with more umph.

mustang is the best

are you kidding me, Ford is horrible.

are you kidding me, Ford is horrible.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Arguments

Mustang is a great car, Camaro is chevy's reaction to Mustang, and Ford people are not like Chevy people, in fact, most people i know (who own a Mustang) loves Camaros, why?

Because if Camaro didn't exist, Mustang would probably not exist anymore, maybe or maybe, because they are American Muscle, face it, Camaro is dead, and even though Lutz said there will be a Camaro, it is not here now, and when the GTO is relased, Mustang will still be the only American Muscle Car, but GTO has a great name, then again, performancewise the Cobra is better, it can fight a C5 and make a Z06 owner, something to think about...........and Mod V8 has far more mod potential than the LS6 (not standard LS1) engine

HAHHAHHAHA......personally i think imports are way better than domestic cars.......but if i was to choose a car id go for a mustang......camaros look weak and are raised too high off the ground........

Damn you know nothing about Camaros. First off they don't look weak if you have looked at the (1998-2002) models, and they are also very powerful cars. Second they are not that high off the ground. trust me. My dad has a 2002 SS camaro

I definitely think that the camaro is the better muscle car because i still cant get over the design flaws of the mustang. It looked good up until some idiot at ford decided to drop a V8 into a clone of the same era escort. And then, they put it into another bloated design trainwreck until they finally did it some justice a few years ago. The camaro has stayed more true to it's roots and looks to have a somewhat similar body style to its predecessor from 20 years ago. The mustang looked nothing like its original until this year's concept car.
:)

Thank you, I can't agree more

I definitely think that the camaro is the better muscle car because i still cant get over the design flaws of the mustang. It looked good up until some idiot at ford decided to drop a V8 into a clone of the same era escort. And then, they put it into another bloated design trainwreck until they finally did it some justice a few years ago. The camaro has stayed more true to it's roots and looks to have a somewhat similar body style to its predecessor from 20 years ago. The mustang looked nothing like its original until this year's concept car.
:)

What?? The Mustang has never had nothing to do with the escort, many Mustangs where based on high volume vehicle platfomrs, but that doesnt mean they are an Escort with a V8, is the same as the Jaguar/Mondeo thingy, engineering is revised, and the Current Mustang is great, there have been some models without much appeal, but all of them where good at their time. The fox body was great too, even though it was too small, Camaro in the other place is too radical, too hard, and it needs a lot of maintanance, anyway it's a great car, Chevys rock, Fords rock but many many many chevy drivers suck

wow, you guys both made strong arguments, still though. I believe that the Cobra pushing out 390 horses out of a 4.6 liter engine would not last as long as a Camaro's 325 horses 5.7 liter engine. The Mustangs engine would have to work hard to produce that power, therefore shorting the life of the engine. Also, about the chevy drivers suck, well i don't know where you live, it might be different there, but where i live, there a bunch of "Non-americans" that drive ford and cannot control there car. were as the true Americans drive the chevy's and kick ass with it, but yet again that is WHERE I LIVE. Doesn't mean that is true everywhere.

wow, you guys both made strong arguments, still though. I believe that the Cobra pushing out 390 horses out of a 4.6 liter engine would not last as long as a Camaro's 325 horses 5.7 liter engine. The Mustangs engine would have to work hard to produce that power, therefore shorting the life of the engine. Also, about the chevy drivers suck, well i don't know where you live, it might be different there, but where i live, there a bunch of "Non-americans" that drive ford and cannot control there car. were as the true Americans drive the chevy's and kick ass with it, but yet again that is WHERE I LIVE. Doesn't mean that is true everywhere.

:P i wasn't talking about driving skills, more about attitude, sorry for the confusion, most ford ppl i know dont hate chevy buth chevy guys hate ford, and about lastability, nah. you are wrong, the cobra engine is not stressed with that output, it's compresion ratio is 8.5:1 while the ls1 is 10:1 i think, cobra gets more compresion because of the boost, but it's a really low boost rate, the engine is tested up to 500bhp with no problems with a pulley and rechipping with premium fuel and 600+bhp with the KB blower and 112? octance gas

yes i agree, chevy guys do hate ford and viceversa

I agree with Saman because i thought the whole muscle car thing is to keep it as simple and wasteful as possible, which makes the camaro a whole lot "musclular" than the mustang. The mustang is surely better engineered, but i still prefer the real engineering marvels, like the honda S2000 and Subaru WRX STi, which get alot of horsepower out of four cylinders and lower capacities.

I agree with Saman because i thought the whole muscle car thing is to keep it as simple and wasteful as possible, which makes the camaro a whole lot "musclular" than the mustang. The mustang is surely better engineered, but i still prefer the real engineering marvels, like the honda S2000 and Subaru WRX STi, which get alot of horsepower out of four cylinders and lower capacities.

There are not marvels, cars are the marvels, we wont be here otherwisem honda produces high horsepower, true, but it doesnt have torque, subaru is anoher story, but there a lot of cars like that, all compete in WRC, subaru just decided to release it, anyway, the focus cosworth makes 300bhp and 420lb-ft of torque wit a 2 litre engie

Those are just different ways to approach power

It is amazing how far four cylinder cars have come since the late 80's. Now a days car that are four-cylinder can beat some V8 engines.

It is amazing how far four cylinder cars have come since the late 80's. Now a days car that are four-cylinder can beat some V8 engines.

Not really, it's all about market targeting, and development costs, why tune up a V8 to it's maximum extent, it would be too much power, an old V8 with turbo, aluminium heads, and reinforced bottom can be pretty damn mean, not far out 700 horses, tuning up a V8 to get 14lbs of boost would mean a lot of expensive parts, and a lot money, therefore, a V8 has a lot more potential, you just need more money

ie: SVT 4.6 engine, throw in 2.000 bucks to swap the blower for a KB, there you got 600bhp and 570ft-lbs of torque, with premium fuel, use 110 octane fuel and you have an everyday dragcar with handling to match (03 Cobra)

In short, L4 engines are great, they are economic, affordable and easy to tune and mantain, but they lack charisma (i drive a 340bhp cosworth engineered escort), there is nothing like displacement to make some fun.

I'm writing an article for University magazine about cars, i will post it, it may be a good reading, i can get some crticism before publishing

that is a good point. I wanted to add that many 4-cylinder sport cars come tuned up already, therego the comparison between the V8 vs. 4-cylinder. May i use the Dodge Srt-4( still a neon, i don't care what anyone says) as an example.

that is a good point. I wanted to add that many 4-cylinder sport cars come tuned up already, therego the comparison between the V8 vs. 4-cylinder. May i use the Dodge Srt-4( still a neon, i don't care what anyone says) as an example.

That's what i meat, the Neon SRT-4 may perform close to the 350Z, but who cares, only the Neon owners, you don't get the carisma nor the looks nor the sofistication, and the SRT-4 is already high tuned, so you cannot get too much more out of there, in the other hand the Z (no v8, only v6) has a lot of potentiall, swap in a turbo and there you go

yes i agree, i forgot. Were you for mustangs or camaros?

yes i agree, i forgot. Were you for mustangs or camaros?

mmm......i could say mustang, i mean, i love the cobra, but i'm for both, better said, i'm here to defend everyone's virtues and highlight the flaws, i love ALL cars, even though there are some i would want, they have an importance

the mustang is a lot better, although the camaro was good, the mustang is better. chevy never used the overhead cam design on their motors, they used the pushrod design. Which is why the mustang could get better gas mileage, and produce just as much torque if not more (which by the way is what gets a car moving faster). Oh, and as a matter of fact the dragstrip that i go to I see 5 times as many mustangs as i do camaros. Plus, most of the camaros there are hauled on trailers casue the owners are too afraid they might break down, 80% percent of the mustangs there drive it there, race it, and drive it home. But don't get me wrong, i am sad to see that the camaro and firebird have gone, but i think it was time for them to go. They couldn't keep up with the sales of the mustang.

the mustang is a lot better, although the camaro was good, the mustang is better. chevy never used the overhead cam design on their motors, they used the pushrod design. Which is why the mustang could get better gas mileage, and produce just as much torque if not more (which by the way is what gets a car moving faster). Oh, and as a matter of fact the dragstrip that i go to I see 5 times as many mustangs as i do camaros. Plus, most of the camaros there are hauled on trailers casue the owners are too afraid they might break down, 80% percent of the mustangs there drive it there, race it, and drive it home. But don't get me wrong, i am sad to see that the camaro and firebird have gone, but i think it was time for them to go. They couldn't keep up with the sales of the mustang.

Pushrod engines are better for torque, not for fuel economy but even SOHC are better for torque than DOCH, all that is N/A of course, before 03 (i hate saying this) the latest Camaros were faster, the previows Cobra had some weak spots in power, and it's 320bhp figure was overestimated, also IRS is not that good on drag racing, but now, the 300bhp Mach 1 is as fast as a 325bhp Camaro, i don't really know why, better suspension i get, but Z28 is still faster than a GT, and Cobra.........well the 390bhp and 390bft-lb car can battle with a C5 vette

Yes i agree on that as well, but i believe the Camaro will be back soon, bigger, greater, and stronger then ever. Don't be suprised to see it back soon.

:( sadly i wouldent know with the current versions because the GT doesnt impress me at all and ss really doesnt impress my reasons. first of all where i live every dumb ass rolls around in a mustang GT. me i rolled in a 70's nova 350. those GTs have nothing special in high end and definatly not take off. and then at a street race the stupidest thing ever a 1996 dodge carvan vs a newer camaro ss. i my head im thinking the camaro is going to win no ?'s asked what do i see you ask???? the van beats the cammy off the line and the cammy still can't catch the van down the road. this is bullshit. a 4 cylinder van beats a 300 ci cammy ss. you campare the camaro eliminator to the cobra R that would be a sight to see :shock: :twisted:

:( sadly i wouldent know with the current versions because the GT doesnt impress me at all and ss really doesnt impress my reasons. first of all where i live every dumb ass rolls around in a mustang GT. me i rolled in a 70's nova 350. those GTs have nothing special in high end and definatly not take off. and then at a street race the stupidest thing ever a 1996 dodge carvan vs a newer camaro ss. i my head im thinking the camaro is going to win no ?'s asked what do i see you ask???? the van beats the cammy off the line and the cammy still can't catch the van down the road. this is bull[ censored ]. a 4 cylinder van beats a 300 ci cammy ss. you campare the camaro eliminator to the cobra R that would be a sight to see :shock: :twisted:

There is no such thing as Camaro eliminator, that was a cougar, and it's target if produced would be the 350Z, but it wont be produced, top camaro was SS, and it would kill a caravan, you really live in a wicked world or something, also the top of the line 2003 Cobra SVT (codename TERMINATOR) IS fast, 0-62mph in 4.5 sec and quarter in 12.7 from a $35000 car

Yes i agree on that as well, but i believe the Camaro will be back soon, bigger, greater, and stronger then ever. Don't be suprised to see it back soon.

I really hope so, now that the c6 vette will be at 430hp i guess camaro could get 400hp for the top of the line, a 400hp ws6 firebird would be cool, so the 05 cobra will have good company (rumors say 400+hp Supercharged 4.6 litre V8 or 425hp NA 5 Litre DOHC V8)

i think your wrong about the Cobra. According to Motor Trend The Cobra runs the 0-60 in 4.82

For me, it all depends on the year of the Mustang and/or Camaro. I personally love both the 'Stang and the Camaro if they're like 66-67 for the Stang and 68-69 for the Camaro. As far as the newer ones go...I love the body style for the Camaro.

And as for specs....I'd have to go with the Camaro...only because I'm partial to Chevy. But I don't hate Ford...I'm just partial to Chevy on this matter.

Too bad they stopped making the Camaro....hopefully it'll be back. :) I was kinda hoping to one as my first car. Damn the bad luck!!

i think your wrong about the Cobra. According to Motor Trend The Cobra runs the 0-60 in 4.82

Probably it was a convertible, and Motor Trend's drivers are not the best out there, i have seen videos of quarter at low 12's with all stock and mid 11 with Drag Radials

Also in the same magazine, in the GT times three comparo (Maserati Coupe BMW M3 and Cobra) they got an 4.6 0-62 time

ohhh my bad it a camaro exterminator and its a dale earnheart limited edition and i dont care what YOU think its what I SAW and i SAW a caravan kick a 1998 i believe camaro SS ass and thats what im sticking to. sorry if it make's you butt hurt but its the truth maybe it wasent tuned up maybe he just stuck ss decals and dual exaust that made it sound like a v8 on it. who know's but its what i saw. and it was sad. becides ive whoops plenty of newer ss with my nova 350 but ive had my ass handed to me by 69 camaro ss396's and Z28. now thats a different story. :P so dont get me wrong i dont hate chevys i just hate it when they make a sad version of an awsome vehicle out. :twisted:

Hmmm, i see what you mean. Yet i believe when the Camaro comes back it will be greater so do't b suprsed if the Hopefully soon to come camaros beat your 350

ohhh my bad it a camaro exterminator and its a dale earnheart limited edition and i dont care what YOU think its what I SAW and i SAW a caravan kick a 1998 i believe camaro SS ass and thats what im sticking to. sorry if it make's you butt hurt but its the truth maybe it wasent tuned up maybe he just stuck ss decals and dual exaust that made it sound like a v8 on it. who know's but its what i saw. and it was sad. becides ive whoops plenty of newer ss with my nova 350 but ive had my ass handed to me by 69 camaro ss396's and Z28. now thats a different story. :P so dont get me wrong i dont hate chevys i just hate it when they make a sad version of an awsome vehicle out. :twisted:

lol, my butt hurt.........hehe..........there is not any reason for a mustang v6 not to kill a caravan, it would kill the caravan, the SS was faster than the cobra up to last year, but that is because camaro died, i guess the next camaro will get some goo 400 horses at top of the line, and the cobra will be up to the battle, also i have heard of a 450+hp version of mustang coming up, that would be sweet

Either way the rivalry between chevy and ford will not end, and when the camaro comes back i believe it will be a fairly good matchup again

Yea i think the next generation mustangs and cammy when they bring them back will be alot more powerful. To me history is repeating its self in the us and it seems to me the famous ford saying "win on sunday, sell on monday" is going to come back. It wouldent surprise me at all. but you what i think would be awsome. If ford brought back the torino tallendaga. that would a cool concept. Or chevy make chevelle's and El caminos concepts. Or even put the V8 back in the cougar. theres so many possiblitys so many great cars built in the past. I'd like to see what they could do. :twisted:

actually i heard a rumor about the El camino coming back. Have you heard anything about it?

actually i heard a rumor about the El camino coming back. Have you heard anything about it?

Not really, a special "ranchero" mustang is being sold by barri something

You know the concept car of the 2005 mustang, well Ford says the GT model will have 400 horses, so i am thinking what will the Cobra be like!!?!?!?

You know the concept car of the 2005 mustang, well Ford says the GT model will have 400 horses, so i am thinking what will the Cobra be like!!?!?!?

Nah, cobra will be around 400, they always do the same, when they introduced current model they built the mid-engined mach 3, but it finished as a FR car, mach 3 was great, more supercarlike, and awesome interiors

V6 will start at 250hp i think with submodels up to 280hp i think, imho the next V6 will be a very good performer, 350Z level, then the V8 GT will stick at 320hp i think with some special model with up to 360hp i guess, the cobra will boast 400hp from what i heard, but later 500hp versions will appear

Anyway, cobra now can get more than 600hp with $2000 in mods, so next one will be mean, and the handling will be more european like, sharper, crisper with better limits and at the same time softer

I think it would be awsome if they made a Mach 1 version of the 2005 concept, i would love that. My dad just bought a restored 69 Mach 1 cobra. 427 engine. God, I love it.

OH MAN!! I saw that video with the 80 somehting carvan destroying a 1999 Camaro SS. Then again, the van was definetly equipped with a turbo, because it ran tens.

I think it would be awsome if they made a Mach 1 version of the 2005 concept, i would love that. My dad just bought a restored 69 Mach 1 cobra. 427 engine. God, I love it.

Glad to hear that, MACH 1 was pretty cool, i was hunting a black one some time ago, but it aws sold the day i was going to test it

OH MAN!! I saw that video with the 80 somehting carvan destroying a 1999 Camaro SS. Then again, the van was definetly equipped with a turbo, because it ran tens.

Turbo????????? a lot more than that, overall, that caravan should cost 80.000, 10's is out of reach for a stock one with turbo at least with the stock engine

Yea, there is no way that caravan could win with just turbo.

you know what is BS. I ran across a site talking about 0-60's for certian cars. It said The 94 Mustang 10.0 liter V8 could run the 0-60 in 1.8 seconds. That is so bull. You would have to be able to go 0-60 in first gear the whole way first off, and second you would need so much power and torque that i think the car would fly in the air

you know what is BS. I ran across a site talking about 0-60's for certian cars. It said The 94 Mustang 10.0 liter V8 could run the 0-60 in 1.8 seconds. That is so bull. You would have to be able to go 0-60 in first gear the whole way first off, and second you would need so much power and torque that i think the car would fly in the air

YOU ARE ABOUT TO MAKE ME MAD :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Joke, that is no bull, the Boss 10.0 can do 1.8 it has a 3 gear dragster tranny and a hell lot of power, go to www.svt.ford.com and find out for yourself

that is basically as fast as a NHRA car. It would be to stupid to make such a car

What's an NHRA CAR ? :?:

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com

can someone explain this to me?

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that is basically as fast as a NHRA car. It would be to stupid to make such a car

The lingenfelter vette is that fast and no one has complained, but yes, you have a point, but isnt fast what people want, with such a car, with the right tires and in a good track, you coul really get a lot of fun (drag racing IS fun, even though i preffer real racing), also the hennessey viper, 0-60 in 2.4, and the camaro ZL-1 o-100 2.1, it's all a matter of pointing to the right market

Anyway, it was just a concep, i preffer the super stallion (5.4 litre 590hp (with any mixter of etanol and gas)and 545hp with premium gas supercharged V8)

there we go, i can agree with that.

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com

Thanks :D

yea no problem. Those cars are designed for draging and not for normal driving. They blow if they drive longer then 30 secs

by the way, Camaro's are ten times better then mustangs

by the way, Camaro's are ten times better then mustangs

No. not for me i'd rather drive a mustang any day

by the way, Camaro's are ten times better then mustangs

No. not for me i'd rather drive a mustang any day

id say the same, i love mustangs.

I like mopars the best. A hemi Challenger or even a 440+6pack could burn any mustang and most camaros. But in this I'd pick the camaro, the only reason the cobra can beat an SS is because Chevy dint make an SS for 03. If they did, they would have upped the horsepower like ford with the cobra. An 02 SS could an 02 cobra.

Ok, Ford is a bad type, in mha opinion, but the mustang LOOKS a lil better than a camaro :lol: but i LOVE speed ! :twisted: :twisted:

I like mopars the best. A hemi Challenger or even a 440+6pack could burn any mustang and most camaros. But in this I'd pick the camaro, the only reason the cobra can beat an SS is because Chevy dint make an SS for 03. If they did, they would have upped the horsepower like ford with the cobra. An 02 SS could an 02 cobra.

The 03 Cobra would have beat an 03 Camaro, why, because it was late released and very well kept, 02 SS can beat a 01 Cobra, as there was no 02 Cobra, it was the same car as in 01, but it would not beat it for much, almost nothing, both were at 320~325hp i think, but a 03 Mach 1 with 20 less horsepower can keep up with any SS without trouble, why? because of better drivetrain, the Cobra engine Boasts 390HP not 425as people think, the drivetrain is first class now, and the loss is almost none, some Cobra's have registered 385HP at the wheels stock, and remember the Crank HP is 390HP, no bullshit there

I think if there were to be a 03 Camaro there would of been some changes made as well, but remember this A cobra is "basically" a Mustang GT supercharged. Imagine the Camaro SS engine supercharged, it would push well over a 430 horses

the mustang and camaros are some of the most gayest cars ive seen..... wow so they have a lot of hp .... they are basically crap..... i dont like them and its kinda hard to choose which car i would choose. but if i were to choose....... only one model i would get. mustang saleen.. cobra and ss camaro are slow compared to other cars with less cylinders and litres.... so a saleen for me.......

Apprently, you don't know the roots of either of these cars. Lets go back to 1965, when the Shelby 350 Cobra R came out (and, yes, the R really meant it was a racecar). THis was probaly one of the quickest cars of it's time. Where were smaller displacement engines? Left in the dust. Skip ahead to '68, when the Camaro Z/28 came out. Nearly 500hp from the factory. Where were the smaller displacement cars? again, left in the dust. Come to think of it, how many cars today come out of japense factories with 500hp? I think none. How many back then? None. So there was an oil crisis, and these gaints were reduced to mice. And the japenenese saw there chance. Like a tiger, they started flooding the market with honda's and toyota's during the 70's and 80's. The camaro and mustang were all but forgotten. They still haven't fully recovered. The camaro is dead, and the mustang is struggling. So, can you please explain to me why the cars are homosexual?

I agree with mopar :twisted:

Mopar is right, and can u name a faster japanese car for the price

i want to know why the Mustang and Camaro are gay. They are two of the maliest cars ever made.

oh i wasnt mentioning the older models. i was talking primarilly about the ones now.. those were the ones that i say are gay.... my bads for not specfying which mustangs and camaros in talking bout.... ijust see the new camaros and mustangs getting burned by these imports so thats why they are gay.... only the muscle cars back then i would give props too..... :oops: :oops:

Apparently Mustang won the war, cause they got discontinued. Ouch :cry: You can modify a 'Stang to kill stock Camaros and tune Camaros to kill stock 'Stangs. So you can pick either one and blow the doors off anyone who doesn't feel the need for tuning. Whatever your style is, your gonna get whichever you want, so it doesn't matter about the cold hard facts to enthusiests.

I think if there were to be a 03 Camaro there would of been some changes made as well, but remember this A cobra is "basically" a Mustang GT supercharged. Imagine the Camaro SS engine supercharged, it would push well over a 430 horses

Put a blower in an LS1 and see what happens, then reply again, LS1 has big displacement and very high compression, so adding a blower would requiere changing the pistons for lower compression at least, but still then you would be in danger.

Cobra has better suspension, brakes, tires, also, the block is not made from aluminium as the GT, Cobra is 4V, GT is 2V, and a Cobra would take up on some of the German Coupes with ease (Medium Size Coupes for $20k more, dont wann say names)

the mustang and camaros are some of the most gayest cars ive seen..... wow so they have a lot of hp .... they are basically crap..... i dont like them and its kinda hard to choose which car i would choose. but if i were to choose....... only one model i would get. mustang saleen.. cobra and ss camaro are slow compared to other cars with less cylinders and litres.... so a saleen for me.......

From a roll, maybe an EVO or an STi can take a Cobra, but it's grip is awesome, the only conditions i see the STi or Evo beating on a mountain road, is with snow dirt or tarmac there, if not, the Cobra would kick their asses

pretty recently there was a huge drag competion for tuners and pros between American cars and Japanese. at the end the Americans won and the imports' excuse was "they weren't familiar with the track." that doesnt sound to me like the imports are better

pretty recently there was a huge drag competion for tuners and pros between American cars and Japanese. at the end the Americans won and the imports' excuse was "they weren't familiar with the track." that doesnt sound to me like the imports are better

Crappy imports, EVO and STi are great, many imports are great, but they cant be called better, just different, also for the comparo, there is a secret project involving a 427 V10 and a Mustang, lets see what happens............

Im from Hellas dude and here American supercars r xtremely rare. I can see your point for the mustangs. Being a European i totally understand what you'r saying. Late mustangs doesnt look so much "American", and that is probably why we like them. But i have to insist that Vette "Stingray" is one of the most beautiful cars ever.

For the people who forgot when this was posted, it's on the first page :roll: .... But anyway, i'm a European and i love old 'Stangs and disslike the new 'Stang GT. Typical American styled cars are my favorites. So being an European doesn't ( in my opinion... ) have much effect on ones' taste of cars. Another example: My fave type of cars are the old muscle cars and the absolute king over all others, is the Dodge Viper GTS Concept. But i do shair the same thought on the Stingray Vettes, they are one of the most beautifull cars ever made.