I really don't like it when people compar the Evo or somehting against the mustang or camaro. Two totally diffrent generes. The americans were built for straight line speed, and the japs are not.

And to all those who think imports are better, go to this site. They may not be faster, but muscle cars sure sound alot better than crappy four bangers. No argument.

http://www.musclecarcalendar.com/FeatureCarsHome/feature_cars.htm

click on either the mustang or camaro. click on the engine bay, and here it roar. Don't forget to look at the 1968 Coronet R/T on the last page!!!! :twisted:

4 bangers with turbos sound awsome! and i prefer them to muscle cars, and since the muslce car era is dead that is another factor, I still prefer the mustang over the camaro though

4 bangers with turbos sound awsome! and i prefer them to muscle cars, and since the muslce car era is dead that is another factor, I still prefer the mustang over the camaro though

4 Bangers sound all the same, only the Subbys sound better due its an F4, i dont say they sound great, they sound to plain, no rattles and bubbling and stuff from big engines

ok, fine go to the website, listen to one of the engines rev. Any one of them. Come back and honestly tell me that a 4 banger sounds better then a v-8. The only way a 4 cylinder sounds good is if it's connected to another one with a common crankshaft!!!

one word= blow off valve, that is the greatest sound an engine can ever make a sound greater then that of a technilogically challenged camaro with a big displacement v8

i hate to do this because it goes against all i stand for. I have to agree with you. The Blow off valve is an amazing sound. I can't describe why. It just is. it sounds like control i guess. It's more of a marrige of man and machine. When you shift, all you hear is that little "Phew". That little magic sound. So cool. But it's the oppasite of a V-8. An uncorked 426 sounds like a wild beast. literally. I still like the V-8 better. Nothing cooler than a 427 vette or 454 chevelle roaring to life at the drag strip.

lol


"phew"

thats the best way to describe it. maybe like a "cheiw". A really high pitched sound.

Go to that website above, then click page 3, then look at the AMC Javelin burnout video. OMG. Nothing can top that (except the Shelby gt 500 video)

and except the Coronet R/T burnout video. But you don't even have to watch the burnout videos. Just listen to the engines start and rev. They just sound so untamable.

untamable lol, i guess u can't control it, it controls u

Only a man can control a car like that. Rice rockets i see a lot of girls

Good greif, don't get me started on "Rice Rockets" ya joik. Some people like the Muscle car style, some like he import scene, why does one have to be better than the other to you?

Anyway, thats a pretty sweet link Mopar. those are some awesome examples of Muscle. :mrgreen:

yup. It's great. But about the comment Saman made. I think he's right in a sense. This is because alot of the import cars have all these driving aids and stuff. Not that there anything wrong with them. They make the car much easier to drive. Muscle cars, on the other hand, drove like an elephant on rollerskates. They are peobaly really hard to drive, due to a total lack of anything, including power brakes, steering and windows. Now, if you can drive a muscle car better than the guy with an import, i think you got skill. I don't know if some interprit this as being manly, but i guess thats the best way i can back up saman's statement.

Mopar thanks for the back up, but to everyone else don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with imports, there ok but like Mopar said they have more driving aids. For those of you who have driven muscle cars you know its not is to handle the first couple times, it could be dangerous in fact, those suckers are beasts and you have to tame them.

by import you probebly mean honda civic, but a car like that does not have any driving aides at all. Mopar is it easier to really drive an F1 car over a Nascar car? no it is not even though an F1 car has all these driving aides it is still harder to drive. There is also rally drinv g they use driivng aides too but rally cars are the most hard to handle cars out there. I do agree with you in certain aspect of how muscle cars are more hard to handle then say a 95 Honda civic though. Muscle cars were made in the 60's and 70's technology was not very good back then. But Saman most "import cars" do not have any driving aides other then ABS.

I won't argue that. Your right, there isn't too many with aides. What i am ultimately trying to get to is this. American muscle cars were not made for weaving through traffic, they were made for only one thing... power, power and more power. So when i see a civic trying to race me and my cousins 67 camaro SS it sucks cause we will murder them off the light, but we can't weave through the traffic like then can. They are ahead in almost everyway except power

i could argue with that again, there are a lot of civics that are producing upwards of 300 and 400 hp now. These are not your ricerboyish civics they are real tuned cars. so the next time a civc wants to race you why not, you can kick his ass or he will kick yours

My cousin and I have not come up upon a Civic who has been willing to invest enough money to push 300 horses, but if we did then yea that would be cool

I think a camaro SS would still smoke em. If not, the camaro would sure look cooler losing.

A 300 horsepower Civic would murder a 67 Camaro. But the Camaro would be way cooler. Muscle cars were cool back in the 60's but they can't compare with modern cars, and the current Mustang and Camrao aren't that great.

Now now your right, there is no way of comparing a 300 horsepowered MODERN civic to a 60's muscle car, but the current camaro's (98-02) could become beasts when they become fixed up. A supercharged camaro with a Xenon body kit and exhaust headers is not only mad powerful but one bad ass looking car.

Now now your right, there is no way of comparing a 300 horsepowered MODERN civic to a 60's muscle car, but the current camaro's (98-02) could become beasts when they become fixed up. A supercharged camaro with a Xenon body kit and exhaust headers is not only mad powerful but one bad ass looking car.

Again, supercharging a Camaro ain't easy, it can be done tho, and by the way Civic owners, LS1 from the Camaro has been tuned at more than 700hp without forced induction, i dont think i-Vtec can do that, sorry, sure the Camaro at that point is not very legal, but it hauls ass, as for Twinturbo, easy, the Twin turbo Vette engine fits right there in the Camaro engine bay.

Even when talking about tunning, NOTHING BEATS DISPLACEMENT; EVER, more cubes= more potential

YES!!!!!! HALLEJULIA!!

Holla, AGREED

Camaro way better then Mustage! But thats comin from someone who absolutely loves camaros. Even if your aren't a camaro fan you've gotta admitt, camaros are impressive! I own a 1980 camaro with a (350) 4.9 litre engine in it, another one of my friends had the same year for Mustage with a (351) 5.0 litre (so the two veichles are damn close in stats) Anyways we are both very good drivers and raced our cars legally. My camaro and his Mustage were pretty close together at the start, but at the end I beat him! I was about 1 second ahead of him at the finish. None of the cars had NOS or supercargers, just pretty must stock stuff with good size engines. Ya i know thats doesn't prove anything but I've heard of more camaros beatin mustages, so overall....Ya I really think camaros are the better vehicle

Once again, hard choice against Ford n Chevy, I love Chevrolets but i dont really like Fords so Camaro i guess :twisted:

The 98-02 LS1 powered Camaros are WAY better then the Muttstangs!!!!

Camaro way better then Mustage! But thats comin from someone who absolutely loves camaros. Even if your aren't a camaro fan you've gotta admitt, camaros are impressive! I own a 1980 camaro with a (350) 4.9 litre engine in it, another one of my friends had the same year for Mustage with a (351) 5.0 litre (so the two veichles are damn close in stats) Anyways we are both very good drivers and raced our cars legally. My camaro and his Mustage were pretty close together at the start, but at the end I beat him! I was about 1 second ahead of him at the finish. None of the cars had NOS or supercargers, just pretty must stock stuff with good size engines. Ya i know thats doesn't prove anything but I've heard of more camaros beatin mustages, so overall....Ya I really think camaros are the better vehicle

:evil: :evil: :evil: BULLSHIT, you dont know what you are speaking of, i dont believe you got a camaro since 350cid is like 5.7 litres, not 4.9 litres, if you had got one you would know that.

The only 5 lire camaros there were the Camaro Z/28 at some time long ago. 302s were sold at the same time than the Mustang Boss 302, also those were no drag car like the Charger and stuff, the Boss was designed for track racing, so was the Camaro Z/28.

There was a special edition on the current (dead) bodystyle, called 302 Z/28 or somethig alike, that was a mean car, but only 50 or so where made, i dont really remember, that was at the same time Ford was building the FR500, if those two cars would have been mass produced germany wouldnt be the kings of speed, those lightweight high rewing ultra powerful poniecars were meant for the track with pretty imporeved interiors and world class handling, i hope FR500 (could be a Boss 302) appears before the current mustang is replaced.

The 98-02 LS1 powered Camaros are WAY better then the Muttstangs!!!!

WHY? Argument please, Cmaro handles equal, a 01 Cobra was almos as quick as a 01 SS, a 03 Mach1 can kick an 01 SS ass with less horsepower than the 01 Cobra, a GT/Bullit was pretty close to the Z28, and the Mustang interior is waaaaaay better than the Camaros, and current mustang interior is not that great (still one of my favourite cars ever), and the 03 Cobra can blow away any Camaro, even if it had not been discontinued i dont think they would have made up to 390hp since that would be C5 territory (speaking on power to weight ratio)

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WHY? Argument please, Cmaro handles equal, a 01 Cobra was almos as quick as a 01 SS, a 03 Mach1 can kick an 01 SS ass with less horsepower than the 01 Cobra, a GT/Bullit was pretty close to the Z28, and the Mustang interior is waaaaaay better than the Camaros, and current mustang interior is not that great (still one of my favourite cars ever), and the 03 Cobra can blow away any Camaro, even if it had not been discontinued i dont think they would have made up to 390hp since that would be C5 territory (speaking on power to weight ratio)

Dude seriously lol a 01 cobra would get its ass handed to it by a 01 SS....the bullet wasnt ANYWHERE close to a z/SS. Ditto to the mach 1.....ford engines except for the 03 cobra were good to 100mph then dropped way off time wise......ive driven and owned multiple camaros and mustangs so i know what im talking about. and the mustang insides suck too, the drivers sits to high and the shifter is to far forward......the 03 cobra hada SUPERCHARGE it to match a LS1!..

I wanna know everyones choice. Personal i hate Ford and i love camaros. so i got to go with a camaro SS over a GT anyday

:evil: I hate Camaro, is really ugly, i dont nokw wy GM was making that bad bad car, i hope that gm never come bac the camaro, ant the new ford mustang 2005 is great... and cool, cooler than all the camaros,
i was happy really happy wen Gm stop the camaro.

I wanna know everyones choice. Personal i hate Ford and i love camaros. so i got to go with a camaro SS over a GT anyday

:evil: I hate Camaro, is really ugly, i dont nokw wy GM was making that bad bad car, i hope that gm never come bac the camaro, ant the new ford mustang 2005 is great... and cool, cooler than all the camaros,
i was happy really happy wen Gm stop the camaro.

Holy I hada read that 3 times and it still don't make any sence lol.
A Camaro and a Firebird looks GREAT, give me a break....the 2005
Mustang is a stupid retro car.......YUK.

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WHY? Argument please, Cmaro handles equal, a 01 Cobra was almos as quick as a 01 SS, a 03 Mach1 can kick an 01 SS ass with less horsepower than the 01 Cobra, a GT/Bullit was pretty close to the Z28, and the Mustang interior is waaaaaay better than the Camaros, and current mustang interior is not that great (still one of my favourite cars ever), and the 03 Cobra can blow away any Camaro, even if it had not been discontinued i dont think they would have made up to 390hp since that would be C5 territory (speaking on power to weight ratio)

Dude seriously lol a 01 cobra would get its ass handed to it by a 01 SS....the bullet wasnt ANYWHERE close to a z/SS. Ditto to the mach 1.....ford engines except for the 03 cobra were good to 100mph then dropped way off time wise......ive driven and owned multiple camaros and mustangs so i know what im talking about. and the mustang insides suck too, the drivers sits to high and the shifter is to far forward......the 03 cobra hada SUPERCHARGE it to match a LS1!..

A Mach 1 is as fast as an SS anyday, and it doenst die above 100, it's pretty quick still there, the Bullit could match a Z28, the Z28 wins but not by much, also Mustang interior has old ergonomics but Camaro Interior looks like a piece of ****.

Cobra is supercharged, so what? LS1 is 5.7 Cobra is 4.6, if they got the 5.0 Cammer there you would have argued what? you would have seen the 425hp mustang flying there and still you would be complaining about something, the blower was easy to do and the motor is strong so no problems there.

Then there comes the 5.4, if a 4.6 design got up to 5.0 and raise hp by 125 the raising it to 5.4 wold make at least 475hp NA, a very expensive mottor, yes but still would have rocked, it's only matter of pricing, noway ford is gonna put a 18k engine on a mustang just to piss f-body fans, better get a 2k blower in a 5k engine and kick some ass

And if you are gonna come with "what if i supercharge a camaro?" I SAY YOU BLOW UP YOUR ENGINE, seriously, too much compression.

Dude you have no clue, stop magazine racing already. I have a modded SS and had a modded Cobra. I have MANY friends in my club that have lots of various Camaro's, Firebird's and Mustangs. And STOCK for STOCK w/ the exception of a '03 Cobra the Mustangs get THEIR ASS' KICKED. Go to a local track or street race stot and you will see. The '03 Cobra has been plaged with recalls casue it is a pos and keeps breaking cause the engine can't take the blower. And for the extra cost of the Cobra you can add $2000 to any SS and easily beat it. And don't say 4.6 liter vs 5.7 liter, what about pushrod vs multi-cam and multi-valve? Mustang is in second AGAIN hahahahahahahaha!

Dude you have no clue, stop magazine racing already. I have a modded SS and had a modded Cobra. I have MANY friends in my club that have lots of various Camaro's, Firebird's and Mustangs. And STOCK for STOCK w/ the exception of a '03 Cobra the Mustangs get THEIR ASS' KICKED. Go to a local track or street race stot and you will see. The '03 Cobra has been plaged with recalls casue it is a pos and keeps breaking cause the engine can't take the blower. And for the extra cost of the Cobra you can add $2000 to any SS and easily beat it. And don't say 4.6 liter vs 5.7 liter, what about pushrod vs multi-cam and multi-valve? Mustang is in second AGAIN hahahahahahahaha!

You are a wacko, 03 Cobra hasnt had any trouble with the blower, it had a tire issue nothing else, the enigne doesnt break, as a fact, the enigne is so smooth that is being exported to power MGs, Jensen and stuff, also the Panoz.

Also i know before 03 cobra was slower than camaro, by some tenths, nothing else and all because of gear ratios, no problem beating an ss with higher ratio.

But, the MACH1 with less power than an SS can match an SS with ease, i don't buy many magazones boy, i love camaros, they are pretty coll, and i specially like WS6 Firehawk, id love to have one, but i love Cobras too, i can't say the same about chevy lamers, they tend to be angry against ford owners.

Also about the price, the SS wasnt cheap, if it was still alive it wil be at same price range as cobra, also, the LS1 is a great powertrain, is very well tunned, Ford's Mod V8 is still in development, the engine makes easy 360hp NA, but they dont really want to raise costs too much, otherwise the FR500 spray bore engine would have been under the hood for some time kicking camaro's ass

Dude there was a RECALL on the Cobra engine cause of fires...my friends was recalled.....
The mach one runs high 13's stock....a LS1 runs low 13's.....:roll:

Dude there was a RECALL on the Cobra engine cause of fires...my friends was recalled.....
The mach one runs high 13's stock....a LS1 runs low 13's.....:roll:

Engine fires? there were some problems with spark plugs at the very beggining nothing else that i know about, anyway im outta here, i'm tired of discussing, to each it's own, anyway my 340hp Cosworth will murder any Camaro or NA Mustang out there :twisted:

Dude there was a RECALL on the Cobra engine cause of fires...my friends was recalled.....
The mach one runs high 13's stock....a LS1 runs low 13's.....:roll:

Engine fires? there were some problems with spark plugs at the very beggining nothing else that i know about, anyway im outta here, i'm tired of discussing, to each it's own, anyway my 340hp Cosworth will murder any Camaro or NA Mustang out there :twisted:

HAHHAAHAHAH yeah ok......I hope you are running low 12's......rice, rice, rice!

Dude there was a RECALL on the Cobra engine cause of fires...my friends was recalled.....
The mach one runs high 13's stock....a LS1 runs low 13's.....:roll:

Engine fires? there were some problems with spark plugs at the very beggining nothing else that i know about, anyway im outta here, i'm tired of discussing, to each it's own, anyway my 340hp Cosworth will murder any Camaro or NA Mustang out there :twisted:

HAHHAAHAHAH yeah ok......I hope you are running low 12's......rice, rice, rice!

RICE THE ESCORT COSWORTH!!! Come on research a bit dude AWD IHI Turbocharged 2 litre engine, stock makes 225hp in 1995, that was stock, mine makes 340hp and weighs only 2810lbs, i havent gone to a drag strip since my car is designed for twisties, and no drag strip near here, but with a friends g-comp the standing mile was in 24 seconds and 0-62mph took only 4.1sec, comparing to the last stock ss i'm in better power to weight conditions 3439lbs and 325hp, and 0-62mph in like 5 seconds. If you are gonna come with the torque thingy, i gotta say right Camaro has the advantage, like 350 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm, but i got healthy 320lb-ft at same rpm.

Seriously i like american cars, i love camaro and mustang, but my car is very well modded, no rice, no spoilers (besides the big ass stock spoiler), so go figure, i think some well modded V8 American Sport Coupes can beat my acceleration, even if i go in overboost, but this car is the ****, i destroyed a Carrera 4 Once and that was the cooles day in my life.

Dude there was a RECALL on the Cobra engine cause of fires...my friends was recalled.....
The mach one runs high 13's stock....a LS1 runs low 13's.....:roll:

Engine fires? there were some problems with spark plugs at the very beggining nothing else that i know about, anyway im outta here, i'm tired of discussing, to each it's own, anyway my 340hp Cosworth will murder any Camaro or NA Mustang out there :twisted:

HAHHAAHAHAH yeah ok......I hope you are running low 12's......rice, rice, rice!

RICE THE ESCORT COSWORTH!!! Come on research a bit dude AWD IHI Turbocharged 2 litre engine, stock makes 225hp in 1995, that was stock, mine makes 340hp and weighs only 2810lbs, i havent gone to a drag strip since my car is designed for twisties, and no drag strip near here, but with a friends g-comp the standing mile was in 24 seconds and 0-62mph took only 4.1sec, comparing to the last stock ss i'm in better power to weight conditions 3439lbs and 325hp, and 0-62mph in like 5 seconds. If you are gonna come with the torque thingy, i gotta say right Camaro has the advantage, like 350 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm, but i got healthy 320lb-ft at same rpm.

Seriously i like american cars, i love camaro and mustang, but my car is very well modded, no rice, no spoilers (besides the big ass stock spoiler), so go figure, i think some well modded V8 American Sport Coupes can beat my acceleration, even if i go in overboost, but this car is the [censored], i destroyed a Carrera 4 Once and that was the cooles day in my life.

My car was dynoes at 359 rwhp....through 4:10 gears which sap power.....
runs a 12.1 @ 115 set up for the twisties also.....tons of suspention and brake work.
has pulled .97 g.

You may not expect this, but that is pretty cool, 12.1, maybe i can beat that tho, i dont really know, not that i like drag racing too much.

1. chevys last a lot longer
2. engine is way better
3. higher retail value..............lol if that matters :)

Someone mentioned to look at the history.. well.. The 1968 Camaro and the 1965-1969 Mustang were extremely SWEET. Those rides were the best in their time.. As time went on.. Ford turned a 302 BOSS into a friggin 4-banger.. A MUSTANG. Not that I hate 4's.. I love them.. but on a mustang? But then again.. Camaros were the ugliest things I have ever seen in the 80's... they were SOOO ugly. If you come back into the present for a minute, The Mustang is only a 4.6 Liter while the Camaro is 5.7 Liter.. performance wise I would take the camaro.. Looks wise.. I dont really know.. I would probably take the Camaro as well.. but the Saleens dont look bad in black..

1. chevys last a lot longer
2. engine is way better
3. higher retail value..............lol if that matters :)

Agreed, but man this is old.

I can't beleive some ppl think that mustang are better looking than camaros, all except maybe the fastbacks are much uglier than the camaros than corrsponde to the their time, even in the 80, the mustang looked like a K car.... ive seen some nice ones though, overall id say id take the camaro

Id also like to say that, the old camaros and mustangs are probably the best cars in the history of cars, two amazing manufacturers pony cars in rivalry, you can't beat that :!:

1. chevys last a lot longer
2. engine is way better
3. higher retail value..............lol if that matters :)

Last longer? my old Bronco is still alive and kicking with 375.000km at the odometer, and 1 machine fix. Still the stock moto in there.

Engine is way better? 5.7 Ls1 vs 4.6 NA cobra, maybe, 5.7ls1 vs 5.4 cobra, no, 5.7 ls1 ve 5.0 Cammer hell no, 5.7 ls1 vs 5.8 prototipe V10, not in your dreams, i could go on the rest of the night

1. chevys last a lot longer
2. engine is way better
3. higher retail value..............lol if that matters :)

Last longer? my old Bronco is still alive and kicking with 375.000km at the odometer, and 1 machine fix. Still the stock moto in there.

Engine is way better? 5.7 Ls1 vs 4.6 NA cobra, maybe, 5.7ls1 vs 5.4 cobra, no, 5.7 ls1 ve 5.0 Cammer hell no, 5.7 ls1 vs 5.8 prototipe V10, not in your dreams, i could go on the rest of the night


The LS1 is WAY better then any Ford 4.6 Mustang engine.
And why name all those engines that NEVER made it in a prodution Mustang????
I mean we can talk C5-R engines that won LeMans if you want. :-)
And I can go alot longer then the rest of the night lol.
And this topic is OLD guys.

1. chevys last a lot longer
2. engine is way better
3. higher retail value..............lol if that matters :)

Last longer? my old Bronco is still alive and kicking with 375.000km at the odometer, and 1 machine fix. Still the stock moto in there.

Engine is way better? 5.7 Ls1 vs 4.6 NA cobra, maybe, 5.7ls1 vs 5.4 cobra, no, 5.7 ls1 ve 5.0 Cammer hell no, 5.7 ls1 vs 5.8 prototipe V10, not in your dreams, i could go on the rest of the night


The LS1 is WAY better then any Ford 4.6 Mustang engine.
And why name all those engines that NEVER made it in a prodution Mustang????
I mean we can talk C5-R engines that won LeMans if you want. :-)
And I can go alot longer then the rest of the night lol.
And this topic is OLD guys.

5.4 Cobra made into production, it had the same output as the ls6 (previows ls6), i sure can do mare than 385hp, i guess it can do 425hp NA easy, just as ls6

1. chevys last a lot longer
2. engine is way better
3. higher retail value..............lol if that matters :)

Last longer? my old Bronco is still alive and kicking with 375.000km at the odometer, and 1 machine fix. Still the stock moto in there.

Engine is way better? 5.7 Ls1 vs 4.6 NA cobra, maybe, 5.7ls1 vs 5.4 cobra, no, 5.7 ls1 ve 5.0 Cammer hell no, 5.7 ls1 vs 5.8 prototipe V10, not in your dreams, i could go on the rest of the night


The LS1 is WAY better then any Ford 4.6 Mustang engine.
And why name all those engines that NEVER made it in a prodution Mustang????
I mean we can talk C5-R engines that won LeMans if you want. :-)
And I can go alot longer then the rest of the night lol.
And this topic is OLD guys.

5.4 Cobra made into production, it had the same output as the ls6 (previows ls6), i sure can do mare than 385hp, i guess it can do 425hp NA easy, just as ls6


Yeah but look how many camshafts and valves they needed to "match" the LS6.

:mrgreen: All I have to say is that come on Ford is always having to superchage there engines to compete, I mean so they can try to compete with chevy. A Cobra has a supercharger and is doing te saome thing that a SS can do. And the Mach1 hahaha It is lighterthan a camaro, has bigger gears than a camaro, and has as much power as my stock 00 Z28. SO it should be better, but nope sorry they aren't my stock Z28 can do 12.9 in the 1/4 mile. and the mach1 can't do as good when it has alot more advantages.So that just shows how much FORD bites the big one.

I think the comparison level here although not exactly at the "ricer" level, is definitely up there. Car to car its a good comparo but all in all this is dumb. For one yes from 92 to about 98. When the newer mustang was introduced in 99 it was infact pretty competitive. Although the LS1 cars were still superior. Here is what youhave to consider before calling a mustang "crap" when compared to the GM cars. For one they BOTH have great reliability, especially for how much punishment they usually endure. No ands ifs or buts. For two airflow is all that matters when comparing heads or valvetrain arrangements. GM has always had awesome flowing heads. If you compare flow the GT and Cobra heads outflow the LT1 and LS1 heads. The gain, on the lower displacement is simply making up for the over 1 liter deficit compared to the camaro. Hence why the 99+ GT is close to the LT1 in power output (260hp to 285 for the LT1 cars), and the 99+ cobra (minus the initial power deficit they corrected at no cost to customer) makes 320hp compared to GM's (underated as most make 320 at the rear) 320hp rating for the LS1 cars. Now here is where the line turned. The 03 Cobra. If you say the Cobra was not built to handle insane boost you're either A. Too full of GM "pride" and cant accept defeat or B.Extremely uneducated. Stock bottom end cobras are making WELL over 600rwhp (sorry guys LS1 cars usually start having fits around 500hp) and are actually rated for over 1000 ponies, yes I said 1000 ponies. As in HP. There have been no problems running more boost on the engines as with a 4bolt iron block, forged steel crank, Manley H-beam Rods, and forged pistons it is EXTREMELY stout and not likely to encounter any problems when layin down some serious boost. The only real weakness in fact on the 03 cobra is the IRS rear. Other then that im sorry. It will devour a LS1/LT1 car with ease. If you dont like that well then you're the same arrogant guy who's gonna get smoked again and again at the track or on the street for being uneducated, misinformed, and just plain ignorant. Bythe way. Ifthe mustang is such an underachiever,and so horrible, especially in comparison to the Fbody. Why is it still in production, and the 4th Gen Fbod dead? Any answer other then the mustang simply outsold it, is an excuse. I like Fbods too but cmon lets be real. The mustang IS still alive based on its OWN merit because cars just dont sellthemselves, but in the mustangs case, it just might.

slowfiveoh made a few good points, then he got way off the mark to me :-)
But the next 4 posts after were stupid, and off topic so I deleted them.......LOCKED.