Over the last two years, I've been reading more and more on a bunch of boards that Porsche is going to have to give up the 911 because of the RR setup and trying to engineer their way around it. And I have to admit that I started believing what I was hearing, until I got my excellence magazine the other day.

They got a hold of the new RS, and drove it and reviewed it. Halfway through the article they were just blown away by the RS weighing in just a little over 10 pounds lighter than the Carrera GT, and having 197 HP less, it completed the NBR in 7:42. That's just 10 seconds slower than the Carrera GT. The 600+ HP, midengine, supercar. I was floored. Maybe everyone already new this and I'm just wasting space on the site. But that just blows everyone's theories that I've heard out of the water. Oh, both cars were driven by Walter Rohrl.

I've never heard of people saying this. I believe the last thing to go at Porsche would be the 911. They would deffinitly drop the cayman, boxter, and the cayenne way before the 911. The 911 made Porsche what it is and what it will forever be. This is simply stated in the facts you have given about the RS. The best production cars under $250,00 in the world would, not all but most, would all face trobules againt the RS. Forget about even talking about the Carrera GT.

my dad has a 997 c2 and my neighbor has a cayman s, why the he11 would porsche kill the 911 for the cayman let alone anything, i get pissed hearing people hate the 911, half my friends did.... till they 0-60 in 4.6sec, my friends dad has a 996 pre facelift and its still a awsome car, porsche tried to kill the 911 w/ the 928, it didnt work, why would it now?

ive heard about thsi occasionally, but i say if theyve kept it for this damn long they probably have no intention of getting rid of it now

I doubt they'ed ever stop building the 911, but the problem is progress. Currently the 997 turbo has the fastest acceleration of it's competition, but:
a) with the current platform, the handling is limited, meaning if Porsche put the same amount of research and developement into a mid engine chassis ( like the cayman), it would surpass the 911.

b) the boxer 6 has its limit, meaning if you took that mid engine chassis, and added a V8 or V10, it is capable of more power. I understand that there is a Carrera GT, but put a small V8 in a Cayman sized platform you'd see some serious performance from Porsche.

c) how many times can you recreate the the 911 while maintaining that classic shape. The 993 is the best interpretation IMO, I like the 996, but the 997 is starting to edge on boring.

At some point in the near future (maybe after the DSG transmission), the 911 will do about as much as it can do. Do expect to see a higher output model from Porsche below the superexotic level. But don't expect the 911 to disappear, because it will always remain the kickass alternative sportscar. It's a Porsche.:)

^texas has a point, even though he's from texas!

porsche will never "get rid of" the 911. that's like democrats calling for abortion to be illegal. it's political suicide. but what everyone must realize is that the 911, in it's current form, is just about perfect. and it should be. they've been tinkering with the bad design for 40+ years. to the point that it's an excellent bad design. that same "excellence" magazine that's quoted by the poster also has a comparison of the 959 and the 997 turbo. if you care to remember the 80's you'd remember the 959 showcased a host of new technologies that before then were never imagined for a street car. things like twin turbos, electronically controlled awd, adjustable suspension, 6-speed. :-k makes you think. all this in a widened and stretched 911 body made for the most livable supercar of the time. little did we know porsche could predict the future. 'cause everything that made the 959 so special is now featured in the current turbo.
so if back in the 80's porsche set out to make the ultimate 911 and made the 959, so can now say that that 959 has finally been officially imported to the US. the 997 turbo is everything the 959 was, except it's legal to drive here.
the only major improvement now is the PDK twin clutch tranny. which i also add was originally developed in the late 70's and 80's. before audi even thought of dsg.

i believe the 911 just in maybe 2 more generations would crash his "talent wall" , they won't be able to make it any better ... something like the cayman has soooo more potential ...but well... maybe the 911 would continue here for a while but not for allot of time i suspect...

I've never heard of people saying this. I believe the last thing to go at Porsche would be the 911. They would deffinitly drop the cayman, boxter, and the cayenne way before the 911. The 911 made Porsche what it is and what it will forever be. This is simply stated in the facts you have given about the RS. The best production cars under $250,00 in the world would, not all but most, would all face trobules againt the RS. Forget about even talking about the Carrera GT. The Cayenne is Porsche's best selling model now. The Cayenne can only do this because the 911 exists. People buy a SUV with the brand image of the ultimate sportscar: the 911. If Porsche had no 911, the Cayenne was just a luxury SUV.
Porsche has the 911, so Cayenne buyers think: "We buy a car from the same famous brand as the 911."
That's another reason why they wouldn't drop the 911. Maybe they will make more models, but dropping the 911 would be stupid.

Personally i don't think the RR layout is a completely bogan idea. Because of this the 911 can remain a relatively small and still be a 2+2, if they make the 911 a MR I believe it would mean a price jack on the car and it's insurance also meaning no rear seats. Although a 911 is supposed to be a sports car 2 extra seats can't be that much of a bad idea.

With todays rate of development in motoring i think it would be very possible for a RR car to have pretty much the same handling and performance as a MR with a few extra luxuries, although i do agree that the F6 might eventually have to go and possibly be replaced by a small-block V8 or even a F8.

i believe the 911 just in maybe 2 more generations would crash his "talent wall" , they won't be able to make it any better ... something like the cayman has soooo more potential ...but well... maybe the 911 would continue here for a while but not for allot of time i suspect...
I can see what you mean about the Cayman having a lot more potential, but if you think about how quick the RS is compared to the CGT, which has a mid engine, it makes you think twice what they are capable of doing. A couple days ago, I would have agreed 100% about hitting the "talent wall," but now I think a hell of a lot differently.

may i point out the cayman is BASICALY a Boxter S w/ a fixed roof and a little more structural intergerty (spl??)

may i point out the cayman is BASICALY a Boxter S w/ a fixed roof and a little more structural intergerty (spl??)

well that is the idea, without all those electronic aids the cayman is more neutral than the carrera and handles way better.

Secret code: Mid-engine layout. :rolleyes:

well that is the idea, without all those electronic aids the cayman is more neutral than the carrera and handles way better.

Secret code: Mid-engine layout. :rolleyes:
the gt3 has no electric aids (besides PASM) and would smoke the cayman, but my point is why didnt every magazine hail the boxter as the 911s successor, the boxter s gets a roff and boom its better then the 911

the gt3 has no electric aids (besides PASM) and would smoke the cayman, but my point is why didnt every magazine hail the boxter as the 911s successor, the boxter s gets a roff and boom its better then the 911

The gt3 was made with track use in mind and it has e aids.
originally posted by R sportscar:
For the best possible transmission of engine power to the road, the GT3 is equipped with a comprehensive traction package, including new electronic Traction Control adapted from the Carrera GT, standard-equipment 19-inch sports tires, and a mechanical limited-slip differential. The new Traction Control setup features traction-slip and drag-torque control functions, allows the safe application of power under any driving conditions, and can be completely disabled if desired.
anyway back to out topic, the cayman is actually more than a boxster with a roof, i've seen both in reality and they don't look the same. The cayman is more potent than the boxster.

well if poursche did that they would basicly nuder themselves (spelling??)

Porsche will die if they stop making the 911 ... at least if Porsche didn't die financialy ,then it's reputation will die and change , to the worse . I don't think Porsche will do such crime to humanity . I can't see the Automotive world without the untouchable 911 :-k

ive never heard anyone say this either. maybe they should put their back into designing a really nice new 911 line up. screw the cayman and make a line up from TT rivals to 599GTB rivals

well if poursche did that they would basicly nuder themselves (spelling??)
That was my thought in different words, unless they would fade it out and fade it in with something VERY similar like what they did with the 356 to 911. That MIGHT work. In either event, the point of the post was just to point out how critical people are of the RR layout, when in reality, has tons of potential to this day. I guess it just takes Germans to figure it out.:D

Porsche will die if they stop making the 911 ... at least if Porsche didn't die financialy ,then it's reputation will die and change , to the worse . I don't think Porsche will do such crime to humanity . I can't see the Automotive world without the untouchable 911 :-k agreed, so many companies have tried to kill the 911 most recently the V8 vantage, which failed due to performance, price, avalability[-X

^ yeah, it is their iconic car.
They will lose alot if they stop making it, but a major change will not be harmfull i think :rolleyes:

^ yeah, it is their iconic car.
They will lose alot if they stop making it, but a major change will not be harmfull i think :rolleyes: yeah, they can still expand the flat 6 to four liters plus w/ pdk......(porsche dopplar kuppling?)

What they have to watch out for with larger engines, PDK 'boxes, etc, is the extra weight over the back.

All the cayman needs is a twin turboed V-6 with the PDK and I would be happy.

911 will never die.

There's been rumours circulating around the net non-stop that Porsche will cancel the 911....it'll NEVER happen! Imagine a world without the 911?!

Porsche has tried on multiple attempts to get rid of the 911, but I doubt it will ever happen.

The thing is that my guess is that Porsche wants to build another supercar to take take the top spot, and they can't really do that in the 911. The RR setup has it's advantages but it wouldn't allow for an engine large enough to make the power for a car like that. That's why the Carrera GT came around.

This is why I think the possibility that the Cayman chassis might be on it's way to overtaking the 911. I bet if they gave the Cayman a turbocharged flat eight cylinder engine around 4.5L and beefed up the suspension they would have chassis that could last them in the decades to come, and would be adaptable enough to build models competitive with the Enzo or Veyron. Just give it a numerical name for class and they would be set, something like the 921.

If that happened, I'd love to see the 911 become smaller and lighter again, less interior fluff and less emphasis on the sheer power or techno-gadgets.

Porsche has tried on multiple attempts to get rid of the 911, but I doubt it will ever happen.

The thing is that my guess is that Porsche wants to build another supercar to take take the top spot, and they can't really do that in the 911. The RR setup has it's advantages but it wouldn't allow for an engine large enough to make the power for a car like that. That's why the Carrera GT came around.

This is why I think the possibility that the Cayman chassis might be on it's way to overtaking the 911. I bet if they gave the Cayman a turbocharged flat eight cylinder engine around 4.5L and beefed up the suspension they would have chassis that could last them in the decades to come, and would be adaptable enough to build models competitive with the Enzo or Veyron. Just give it a numerical name for class and they would be set, something like the 921.

If that happened, I'd love to see the 911 become smaller and lighter again, less interior fluff and less emphasis on the sheer power or techno-gadgets.
That was well thought out, and I agree with you on almost everything except the 911 needing a bigger engine. Porsche could easily just start strapping superchargers to their base Carrera's instead of attempting a bigger engine. Someone like Evolution Motorsports has done an excellent job of doing this and making it practical and driveable, on a daily basis. I was trying to make a point of comparing the RS to the CGT as proof of how well they have the RR layout down. Being almost 200 HP down and only 10 seconds slower around the NBR on the Cup tires from the factory none the less. Now I'm just babbling, sorry for that. My big thing with the Cayman is just make it better than the 911 already. Who cares?? The 944 in the 80's outhandled the 911, and yet the world continued to turn. But that's a whole new topic.:p Good post bossesjoe, about the 911 getting lighter and less focus on gadgets would be a dream come true!!! They should make more of their cars with that in mind. Do away with Sat Nav and all that new stuff.

Yeah the 911 is such a legend, getting rid of it, imo, would be "buyer-killing" lol. I asked my Dad about this and apprently this isn't the first time he's heard about it, and no doubt the last.

yes porsche911, the GT3 RS is indeed close to the C-GT. And yes, ofcourse Porsche would never stop the 911-line. But you are missing a good point some people are making here. Porsche is already making the 911 better for over 40 years. Imagine the 911 wasn't a RR but a MR car, how good would it have been now. I dare to say better then the current 911 is. The current 911 is so good mostly because of the electronics keeping the car on the road. So if you look back in time, where there was no electronics to keep the car on the road, you can clearly see the 911 got beaten by several MR cars. They have mentioned the 959 here, well it was a very good car, but the Ferrari F40 was better.

And maybe the cayman is better then the current 911 but we wouldn't know. Just look at the numbers, the most powerfull Cayman, the Cayman S, has 295BHP. That is 60BHP less then a base 911, which is alot. Now image a Cayman with the V8 turbo engine from the Cayenne Turbo S. That's a 500BHP engine, it won't fit the cayman, but if it would and if the cayman had that engine I'm pretty sure it would beat the current 911 Turbo. And if Porsche from that point would put all of there research into that car, it would become much better then a 911 would ever be.

I know there are alot of 'if' s in there, but that's the main idea behind this discussion.

And I do want to state that i adore the 911 in every way, but I just think i would have been better if it was a MR car.

Offtopic: My first post here, I hope u guys get the idea I wanted to make here

In case you guys never knew the 911 was discontinued once, although only internally. The design was scrapped after the 993. Mainly because of the engine configuration and the design problems. The car was reworked and redesigned and Porsche owners pretty much threatened the company to the point where it didn't matter if the RR worked or not. But no, it won't go anywhere now... It's too popular and too successful.