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599 GTB
Dec 23, 2006, 8:56 AM
The first thing that strikes me about the Brera is how stunning it looks, which IMHO is always a good thing, however I am also saddened by te fact that Brera is perhaps all show and no go, for example the 2.2 liter with 136kW weight in at 1600 kgs odd, meaning the power to weight isnt that good at all and as such performance seems on paper to be pretty hum hum

Have seen a V6 version and that has 191 kW and even then people werent overwhelmed by the performance. However I would still have one on the basis of its looks but its still sad that its not a more complete car and it baffles me why they have made it so heavy.

Anyone else agree that Alfa missed a huge opportunity with the Brera?

Porsche_Power
Dec 23, 2006, 9:18 AM
ya, i totally agree with you. seems like they can only make good looking cars theses days.....it saddens me. one reason why it is so heavy is because of the all wheel drive system i think but then again why didn't they just make it rear wheel drive? doesn't seem to have too much power even in the V6 variant.

599 GTB
Dec 23, 2006, 9:25 AM
ya, i totally agree with you. seems like they can only make good looking cars theses days.....it saddens me. one reason why it is so heavy is because of the all wheel drive system i think but then again why didn't they just make it rear wheel drive? doesn't seem to have too much power even in the V6 variant.

Agree why four wheel drive was needed I dont know, its not as if 190 kW couldnt be put to the road through the front wheels, the fact that they have come up with a 2.2 Q2 fwd suggests that maybe four wheel drive was a mistake...take 250 kg out of the car and then maybe it would be a sports car...

Really sad considering the rich heritage of alfa..

Porsche_Power
Dec 23, 2006, 9:52 AM
but then if they mad it lighter through using stuff like aluminium parts, it would raise the price and tht would suck even more. admittedly though i guess they could have taken out rear seats since they'd be incredibly cramped and useless.......

599 GTB
Dec 23, 2006, 9:58 AM
but then if they mad it lighter through using stuff like aluminium parts, it would raise the price and tht would suck even more. admittedly though i guess they could have taken out rear seats since they'd be incredibly cramped and useless.......

Or better still as you say remove the 4x4 drive train.....

Porsche_Power
Dec 23, 2006, 10:10 AM
i believe they will keep making 4 by 4 drive trains but it wouldn't be such a problem if they could increase the power/torque a far bit. i mean a lambo murcielago doesn't get its performance from its weight, far from it. its far from being a lightweight at bout 1700kgs but coz of the awesome engine its performance doesn't have to suffer. i wonder how fast it'd be if one were to switch to RWD......

599 GTB
Dec 23, 2006, 10:35 AM
i believe they will keep making 4 by 4 drive trains but it wouldn't be such a problem if they could increase the power/torque a far bit. i mean a lambo murcielago doesn't get its performance from its weight, far from it. its far from being a lightweight at bout 1700kgs but coz of the awesome engine its performance doesn't have to suffer. i wonder how fast it'd be if one were to switch to RWD......

Maybe V6 with twin turbos would be the solution.....:D

foresterfan
Dec 23, 2006, 10:35 AM
I dont even think its that amazing looking. IMO the Alfa Romeo GT (often underrated) is much better looking. In real life the Brera looks like a hatchback for god sake, not a classy coupe. I dont think that the brera is short on power as much as it is (apparently) not as dynamically able as it should/ could be. Ride quality and handling are apparently poor.

IT seems that almost every car Alfa comes up with is the car to save them... so far both the 159 and brera have failed, and there was so much hype for both of these.

By contrast, everyone had such low expectations for Fiat, that when the new Panda and Punto came out, everyone was astounded and they have made a huge recovery. Heres hoping next years Brava is just as good!

599 GTB
Dec 23, 2006, 10:42 AM
I dont even think its that amazing looking. IMO the Alfa Romeo GT (often underrated) is much better looking. In real life the Brera looks like a hatchback for god sake, not a classy coupe. I dont think that the brera is short on power as much as it is (apparently) not as dynamically able as it should/ could be. Ride quality and handling are apparently poor.

IT seems that almost every car Alfa comes up with is the car to save them... so far both the 159 and brera have failed, and there was so much hype for both of these.

By contrast, everyone had such low expectations for Fiat, that when the new Panda and Punto came out, everyone was astounded and they have made a huge recovery. Heres hoping next years Brava is just as good!


Agree that the GT is a fantastic looking car but it just seems to me that for all the apparent advances the brera is a step back...I am also getting tired of "this is the car to save alfa" story...:o

Fiat have mad a dramatic recovery agreed.

porsche911
Dec 23, 2006, 10:50 AM
A picture for those including myself who might not know what it looks like.:D
http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/Final%20image/alfa_romeo_brera_3.jpg

v@nQu!$h~$
Dec 23, 2006, 11:06 AM
Well, I dont know much about Alfas but I do know that they're probably one of the sexiest looking cars around....and the Brera is definitely one of them...

599 GTB
Dec 23, 2006, 11:41 AM
Well, I dont know much about Alfas but I do know that they're probably one of the sexiest looking cars around....and the Brera is definitely one of them...

Its definately a stunning looking car...its just a pity its dynamics dont match its looks.

nivlek
Dec 23, 2006, 11:49 AM
It isn't that bad is it. Wait for the GTA to come out. ALfas aren;t ment for performace. More relaxed and high class. I've always hated alfa but here is waht happened in my head

i hate alfa i hate alfa *thinks of brera* I LOVE ALFA SO MUCHS SHTLETH ITS AWSOME OH MY I LOVE THAT *thinks of 8c* OETWTH SH I SO LOVE THAT ALFA IS THE RULEZ OF AUTOMAKERS YEAH!

Tom Kristensen
Dec 23, 2006, 12:55 PM
It sure does lack power. At least taht's what I've read. The GTA may be fast as hell, but it's also ugly as sin.

It dosn't really matter much to me anyway. I wouldn't really care about the performance if I had a car that looks so good.

599 GTB
Dec 23, 2006, 1:32 PM
It sure does lack power. At least taht's what I've read. The GTA may be fast as hell, but it's also ugly as sin.

It dosn't really matter much to me anyway. I wouldn't really care about the performance if I had a car that looks so good.

Some valid points but for me personally a time would come when I would get sick a tired of being beaten through the twisties by much more humble and utalitarian machinery....

Tom Kristensen
Dec 23, 2006, 1:42 PM
It's probably because I'm not a true enthusiast. A 1.6 liter 4 banger in a 2,900 lbs car can easily satisfy my power hunger, so a Brera would have more than enough power for me.

Hell, I wouldn't mind if the car only had 100 bhp as long as it looks like it does. The random ricers may beat me, but they don't look good doing it.

599 GTB
Dec 23, 2006, 1:44 PM
It's probably because I'm not a true enthusiast. A 1.6 liter 4 banger in a 2,900 lbs car can easily satisfy my power hunger, so a Brera would have more than enough power for me.

Hell, I wouldn't mind if the car only had 100 bhp as long as it looks like it does. The random ricers may beat me, but they don't look good doing it.

Also true as a pure city car to supplement a fast exotic the brera would have great appeal but I have no doubt Alfa will bring out a more powerful version in due course....

frewin1987
Dec 23, 2006, 2:29 PM
a very sexy car... wouldnt mind one at all :p

TWIN TURBO
Dec 23, 2006, 3:25 PM
It's probably because I'm not a true enthusiast. A 1.6 liter 4 banger in a 2,900 lbs car can easily satisfy my power hunger, so a Brera would have more than enough power for me.

Hell, I wouldn't mind if the car only had 100 bhp as long as it looks like it does. The random ricers may beat me, but they don't look good doing it.

I agree, nothing look good like ALFAs.;)

SpArKy
Dec 23, 2006, 6:58 PM
It's a beautiful car, all but the rear end which looks squashed. I wouldn't say the power is under rated, but more power wouldn't go a miss.

And if anybody is looking for what to get me for christmas......:p

BMW speed
Dec 23, 2006, 7:43 PM
Well let's just say that Alfa Romeo Knows how to make sexy beautiful cars ... i love their designs.

!ChEeKy GiRl!
Dec 23, 2006, 7:58 PM
^^ I just don't see it, I see a blob, of car... with a strange boot...

BMW speed
Dec 23, 2006, 8:17 PM
@ Cheeky .... look at that Brera in Black , can you tell me that it's not sexy nor beautiful ?!!

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8773/adbrera06011qj6.jpg

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1002/adbrera06041rm8.jpg

oh and that Front looks so MEAN, and that's the beauty of it !!
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4113/adbrera06021kk1.jpg

I will repeat it , Alfa Romeo knows how to make sexy beautiful cars , i mean look at the 147 GTA , and look at the new 8C Competizione it is just wonderful! also look at old Alfa's they look really good ...

But anyway i guess you don't like it because it looks really mean . right ? lol

!ChEeKy GiRl!
Dec 23, 2006, 9:00 PM
No, I just simply don't like it.... the whole long front thing and the oval exhaust pipes, it's just such a blob...

butcher
Dec 23, 2006, 9:51 PM
yeah im definately not understanding where people get the idea that this thing is beautiful. cheeky put it best, it looks like a blob. i see nothing attractive about this car, the hood looks weird, like theres a sausage coming out of it, the back looks like any other slacked out hatch.

Tom Kristensen
Dec 23, 2006, 10:24 PM
I hate its rear-end, but I think it looks great from the front. The hood may be a little odd. But hell, it's from 2006 so it was pretty much expected not to look fantastic.

599 GTB
Dec 24, 2006, 5:10 AM
I have been fortunate to see two Brera's in person, one red and the other grey, must say darkers colours dont seem to suit the shape as well as bright colours....

M3_GTR
Dec 24, 2006, 5:13 AM
ive always thought the same about the brera, theres no denying its a stunning looking car, only if they got more power out of it, everything else was good, chassis, dynamics, interior, exterior, but they failed on the engine, if they got 250kw out of that engine(like the M3), it would be a totally different car! its looks dont suit its power, but god damn, do i love its headlights!

599 GTB
Dec 24, 2006, 5:42 AM
ive always thought the same about the brera, theres no denying its a stunning looking car, only if they got more power out of it, everything else was good, chassis, dynamics, interior, exterior, but they failed on the engine, if they got 250kw out of that engine(like the M3), it would be a totally different car! its looks dont suit its power, but god damn, do i love its headlights!

I read somewhere that the 3,2 liter V6 is based on a GM unit so that might explain something....for some reason I think they will go for a turbo set up for the GTA....in fact IMHO the base 2.2 should be turbo charged as standard....

foresterfan
Dec 24, 2006, 8:28 AM
@ Cheeky .... look at that Brera in Black , can you tell me that it's not sexy nor beautiful ?!!

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8773/adbrera06011qj6.jpg

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1002/adbrera06041rm8.jpg

oh and that Front looks so MEAN, and that's the beauty of it !!
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4113/adbrera06021kk1.jpg


It just looks like an attractive hatch to me! Like a 147 replacement

ive always thought the same about the brera, theres no denying its a stunning looking car, only if they got more power out of it, everything else was good, chassis, dynamics, interior, exterior, but they failed on the engine, if they got 250kw out of that engine(like the M3), it would be a totally different car! its looks dont suit its power, but god damn, do i love its headlights!

HAHA! its chassis and dynamics are one of the biggest problems fool.

CarRocker
Dec 24, 2006, 10:51 AM
The Brera is a stunning car. Yeah, the V6 isn't the fastest, and it's a little on the heavy side, but not as heavy as 599 GTB said in the first post though, the V6 weighs 1600kg. The 2.2 JTS is about 1400kg. Plus, Alfa's are never very fast.

But, this car isn't only about speed. IMO it's one of the best looking cars driving around today. And the sound of the engines is great too.
I have been lucky enough to get a drive in a 2.2JTS, a black one. The sound of this car is awesome. The V6 sounds even better(never heard a 3.2 Brera, but did hear a 3.2 GT and several GTA's)

I don't think they missed a huge opportunity. This is a car that fits Alfa perfectly. This is a true Italian car in every way, with a lot of passion, great sound, and stunning looks.

TVRDavid
Dec 24, 2006, 3:49 PM
An Alfa with a 4 wheel drive is the answer to many peoples prayers :) Trying to get the old 156 GTA (250hp 3.2 V6) off the line was a serious mission... 99% of the time you would land up with the wheels spinning and the car torque steering all over the place. The 4wd system will prevent that from happening and improve the handling tenfold. As for going fast, the Brera is meant to be a classy coupe not an all out performance machine but for some people 250hp is enough. The 8C should keep the rest of us happy :D

TWIN TURBO
Dec 24, 2006, 6:29 PM
HAHA! its chassis and dynamics are one of the biggest problems fool.

what is wrong with them?:confused:

Tom Kristensen
Dec 25, 2006, 3:06 PM
what is wrong with them?:confused:The chassis is derived from the 159, so the sportiness of the car doesn't match its looks. Then again, the Gullwing was using a chassis from an old Mercedes saloon, so it doesn't matter. It's still a hell of a car! And that goes for the Alfa too.

Maserati Man
Dec 25, 2006, 3:12 PM
well the AWD is bugging you, the Spyder that's based off of the Brera is RWD.

as for the performance, you have to realize that this isn't a sports car. hard core performance wasn't first on their mind.

having said that, i do think it is a really good looking car. i just wanna see one in person. maybe when i go to Italy this summer.

bennyboy
Dec 29, 2006, 7:26 PM
well the AWD is bugging you, the Spyder that's based off of the Brera is RWD.

as for the performance, you have to realize that this isn't a sports car. hard core performance wasn't first on their mind.

having said that, i do think it is a really good looking car. i just wanna see one in person. maybe when i go to Italy this summer.

They're pretty damn fine in real life, especially in that Milano Red, they're really something. If they have the correct rims, they really stand out, and the arse of the car is beautiful, they're really something to look at.

Tyler
Jan 08, 2007, 4:43 PM
Brera is bella...100% italian
100% cuore sportivo
the interior is just awesome
brera (include the spider) and the 8c Competizione are two of the sexiest cars ever...

Car=Blaine
Jan 08, 2007, 4:48 PM
I really like the Brera. Everything about it just oozes class and style. I love the looks of the car, it's crisp, yet smooth and has nice curves. It's also the car I'm using in NFS:C ATM therefore it's an awesome car.

CarRocker
Jan 09, 2007, 8:32 AM
well the AWD is bugging you, the Spyder that's based off of the Brera is RWD.


No it isnt. The 2.2 is FWD and the 3.2 is AWD, just like the Brera

Maserati Man
Jan 12, 2007, 2:34 AM
No it isnt. The 2.2 is FWD and the 3.2 is AWD, just like the Brera
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/alfa_spider.asp
http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Alfa_Romeo/2006/Spider/

so unless both of those sources are wrong, and you have sufficient proof supporting your claim, you stand corrected. not to mention (i'm pretty sure of this anyway) that all the previous Alfa Spyders have always been RWD.

CarRocker
Jan 12, 2007, 5:57 AM
From alfaromeo.com (http://www.alfaromeo.com/cgi-bin/pbrand.dll/ALFAROMEO_COM/models/models.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0908844339.1 168595294@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccgaddjlhlelkicefecejgdfiid gnm.0&categoryOID=-1073751196)

I trust an official site more.:) Besides, how would an American site know, when they don't even get Alfa's:D :p

M3_GTR
Jan 12, 2007, 6:55 AM
HAHA! its chassis and dynamics are one of the biggest problems fool.
it handles really good, and its chassis is more then capable of holding more power, so, what the f*ck are you talking about?

obscuur habitus
Jan 12, 2007, 8:41 AM
on the pictures it looks ok, but when I came home from the pub the other night my neighbour had one for the weekend (works at a carlease company or someting) so I had a good look....damn it look soo good. it isn't esspecially fast, no. but as a everyday use car with good looks and sounds. I would have it.

jamesy
Jan 17, 2007, 11:39 PM
I love it. I saw one the other day going down the highway. But it was a shame because a t0sser was driving it. The speed limit was 80 on the highway (km/h), but this guy was doing 100.:eek: And as soon as my dad saw this he fell in love with it. And the Brera man overtook us and roared past us. My dad loved its looks so he sped up to and was doing 100 alongside the Brera. And the driver thought we were racing and sped up some more, and my dad didn't know he thought we were racing and sped up to. So were doing 120 down the highway dodging other cars. Eventually the Brera came off the highway and that was the end of that.