I love Australian cars, and I can’t figure out why you guys won’t let us have some. Hell, I don’t really understand why a bunch of you Aussie’s hate American cars in the first place. I mean, damn, we have the exact same mentality. We love big cars, big V-8’s and big power. Why can’t we just get a long? Whenever I argue against an Australian, I always feel like a Hatfield shooting at McCoy.

I still don’t know a whole lot about Australian automotive history. However, I do know that Australians have been making muscle cars for as long as (if not longer) the US. I remember researching the Charger back in the day, and I stumbled across the Australian Hemi Charger. I was awestruck: I knew the name, but the name I knew didn’t fit the car. This was a whole different take on the same concept. The Australian Hemi Charger was physically smaller than the American Charger, and the engine wasn’t the right size (and correct me if I’m wrong, because I’m writing this off the top of my head, but they used 331 slant-6’s?). The styling wasn’t nearly as dramatic or bold. However, the car itself was faster, I believe, than the American Charger. Needless to say, I was impressed.

Then I found out about V-8 Super cars. This was the perfect series for me. It was intense, loud, fast and brutal. I never really liked any of that wimpy Formula 1 or DTM. I needed something with the spirit of Nascar, but with a bit more excitement. Which brings me to my next conclusion: all Nascar series and V-8 Supercars are very similar. Let’s start out with the obvious. Both series use V-8’s, and both cars are based off production sedans and coupes. Both series’ have tons of national adoration. American’s love their Nascar, and the Aussie’s love their V-8 Supercars. But again, here are two series with very similar concepts, but very different executions. V-8 Supercars are like typical touring cars. They run on road courses, and they use big wings and such to keep them on the ground. Nascar cars don’t use big wings, and they run mostly on big oval speedways with a few road courses peppered in the season. But, the spirit and heart is just the same in both series.

So why not show us some love? I know, you don’t like our political stance on anything, but does that mean you’re not allowed to like our cars, either? I mean, what’s up with that? I absolutely adore the GTO. It’s an amazing car. It’s big, comfortable, well made, powerful and handsome. I’d crap myself if you brought some of your utes over, or maybe some of your sedans. I don’t know, I just wish some of you thought the same way. Perhaps we don’t like the understated, simple styling like you guys, but we love V-8’s and power just as much as you! So I call a truce. It seems as though whenever some V-8 powered muscle car is introduced in America, some Aussie’s instantly pan it. All I ask is that you give us a chance.

You are right. Australian cars are awesome, and i bet most car fans in america would love to put their hands on some australian V8's.
And the V8 Supercars series is what NASCAR needs to become.

there is bad blood between aussie and american car entusiasts? i gotta admit that V8 supercars are great to watch... the only thing i don't like about the nascars is the actual fact they race on oval circuits... i don't actually ever watch much nascar but they just go round and round in a circle... maybe one day the v8's could do a round somewhere in america... i love american cars too by the way... maybe we don't want you having the aussie cars because a lot of them are unique to australia?

I never knew there was a rivalry between us and those roo loving boomerang tossers:smt109. I thought we liked the same kind of vehicles, and massive amouts of torque is something people from both countries can appreciate.

There is an Aussie charger on ebay now

I don't know. Maybe I just see this, but Australians don't like Americans in general. It's all political, and I think some of that trickles down to automotive enthusia.

If I'm right, then we need to just man hug and get it over with. But if I'm wrong, then let's just take this as a warning. Aussies and Americans aren't the best of friends.

Nice take on the car scene of the two countries.

On here it seems there is some "bad blood" due to political stances.

But keeping cars and that seperate is key to keeping things objective and fun.

Good point on the V8 Supercar Series, I've yet to catch a full race, but I definitely like what I've seen a tad more after having seen three DTM and BTCC races.

v8 supercars is definately some of my favourite racing thats done on a track. my favourite kind of racing though, is championship off road racing. its so awesome and every race is totally hectic :)

Well as a proud Australian I have to say that I leave my political views and any prejudices against any country out of my posts as much as possible. After all, You are not the government just a citizen with a minority vote. I have nothing against anyone on this forum based purely on my political beliefs, Hell I actually like you Mopar.

Lets face facts, Every country has a few 'village idiots'.

That aside, You are correct about the Slant 6 charger we had here. They were incredible and put many of the V8's they raced against to shame (including the 350-chev in the Monaro's, and the 351's in the Falcon GT's).

Aussie makes have often borrowed V8's from their parent companies over in the USA and the parent companies have often used our companies to design new products for them. Incidently Holden designed the new Camaro as well as the Zeta platform its based upon.

I actually like American cars, You will often take note of me defending them from ignorant Eurosnobs. It would just be impractical importing American made cars when we locally manufacture similar products, same goes for Americans importing our cars.

Maybe the V8 supercars will visit the USA at some point in the near future, They are travelling the world and racing at different circuits each year as a form of expanding the series and creating brand awareness. The last few years they have visited China, Bahrain and New Zealand which is now a regular round on the calender.

Decent thread by the way, I dont think Aussies hate Americans in general but there is a clear dislike for your government.

Kiss and make up? What, and ruin our perfectly dysfunctional online relationship?

Seriously, I didn't even know there was bad blood. I love classic American muscle, it's the new reinventions (Camaro, Challenger etc) I have my reservations about. I've even been considering selling some of my family members to rack up the $250k for a RHD converted Z06. Hell, if it weren't for you guys my car wouldn't have it's killer motor.

I may not like America, but that doesn't mean I don't like Americans or their cars.

Well as a proud Australian I have to say that I leave my political views and any prejudices against any country out of my posts as much as possible. After all, You are not the government just a citizen with a minority vote.

my thoughts exactly...

I dont think Aussies hate Americans in general but there is a clear dislike for your government.

While I am proud of my country, I do not always agree with the Govt. I have always wanted to visit Australia, maybe someday I will get the chance, then I will get to try out some of those cars

While I am proud of my country, I do not always agree with the Govt. I have always wanted to visit Australia, maybe someday I will get the chance, then I will get to try out some of those cars

If you ever come over drop me a Pm, I will let you drive my ute....;)

what is you ute? something big??

its like a pick-up, holden utes ive heard, similar to pick-ups i think...

i know that but i mean what kind is it? huge or little?

quite huge, its juts like a extended sedan with only like two doors and the rest is jsut boot space...

ill try google a pic for ya


EDIT:
http://images.google.com.hk/images?hl=zh-TW&q=Holden%20ute&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

here ya go, holden utes:)

like a el camino? right?

see my edit...:D

dont know if thats big, but sure will help you abit

so i was right afterall huh?
looks like a monero...

like a el camino? right?

That is my understanding....kind of a flatbed el camino

BTW I have owned a few el caminos...not the best vehicle, but good for an engine builder who prefers to drive cars instead of pickups

I think they should export the cars from Mad Max and The Road Warrior.

If Politics is going to be a part of our opinions about cars ,then I (whom is from Lebanon) would be the last person who ever gives credit to any american car just because it's american . Why ? because America is with Israel and will always be , and as you know that we (Lebanese) hate Israel for lots of reasons (i won't get into this) , and when you hate Israel you will oviously hate America which is the "friend" and the "supplier" and "the back up"of Israel . BUT no , i never, and i will never think like that , i will never let Politics get into my precious Automotive world , and i guess that's how everyone should think.

If Politics is going to be a part of our opinions about cars ,then I (whom is from Lebanon) would be the last person who ever gives credit to any american car just because it's american . Why ? because America is with Israel and will always be , and as you know that we (Lebanese) hate Israel for lots of reasons (i won't get into this) , and when you hate Israel you will oviously hate America which is the "friend" and the "supplier" and "the back up"of Israel . BUT no , i never, and i will never think like that , i will never let Politics get into my precious Automotive world , and i guess that's how everyone should think.

I think this was well spoken. The common thread that connects all the members of this site is a love of automobiles. This has nothing to do with race, creed, color, nationality, gender, political opinions, or religion. This is a place to put this all aside and be entheusiasts

what is you ute? something big??

They are utilities based off of our large locally built family sedans with a tray from the B-pillar backwards instead of rear seats and a boot.

All Holden utes are offered with either a V6 or a V8, Ford utes offer either a I6, I6TT or V8. We also have larger utilities such as Hilux's, Rodeo's, Tritons and Navara's. There are a few F-Series utilities around but they are impractical in our conditions due to their size.

This is a One tonner:

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/vz-ute-6.JPG

Crew cab:

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/vz-ute-5.JPG

Sports/Performance utility (This is the fastest utility in the world):

http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/06/hsv-maloo-r8-ute.jpg

http://www.holden.com.au/images/uploads/gallery_images/ute/ss/img_vzII_ssute01.jpg



This is the same model as mine, I have the same bodykit but my ute isnt as low nor is it gold - Its about to be resprayed in the new year a darkish blue:

http://myholden.com/images/vs/GOLD1Aute.jpg

i think the crewmans look horrible... so bad
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/vz-ute-5.JPG
thats a crewman if you don't know

i like Australian cars. well, not all of them, but i don't like all German cars, or all Italian cars, or all Japanese cars, or all American cars. the country or make means nothing to me, just the individual car itself. it's the same way for everything with me. i don't hate all Republicans, i don't hate all Democrats, i just hate the bad ones. i hate the ones that corrupt the govormnent or manipulate the public, whatever the reason may be. usually for their personal gain financially or socially, or as a diversion from important issues. i don't like or approve of president Bush or his motives, but i also don't like or approve of Michael Moore and his motives. there are Democrats in office i simply cannot stand, and there are Republicans in office i simply cannot stand. the party means nothing, the only thing that's important is what they do and say.

i am completely imparcial to titles, brands, labels, whatever. i'm all about the individual, may it be a car, person, product, whatever. it's all the same to me.

and if any Australian has a problem with Americans or American cars simply because it's American, well they can take that up with me and my leather belt.

i think the crewmans look horrible... so bad
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/vz-ute-5.JPG
thats a crewman if you don't know

My dad's workmate has a farm property and bought one of the first ever crewmans built, It had to go back to be rewelded because the power stretched the chassis.

True story.

^^ thats pretty cool but it doesn't make the car any prettier

^^ thats pretty cool but it doesn't make the car any prettier

Thats not cool at all, If anthing its potentially dangerous.

At least the regular Holden utes look really good.

HSV VZ Maloo R8 (271km/h)

so i was right afterall huh?
looks like a monero...
Both the Monaro and the Holden Utes are based of the Commodore. At least from Holden Ford Utes are based of the Falcon.

I have nothing against Americans or their cars like most of the others its just the Government.
I love the Pony and Muscle cars over in America, in particular the ones with the big blocks and huge displacments that we don't really have a match for. I don't think Australia has made anything over the current 6 litre V8 thats being used now. I would like to see the new Challenger, Mustang, Camaro and Charger sent to Austalia even if it means rebadging them. I would buy them and I'm sure they would do pretty well. It seems like the new HSV's have been selling like hot cakes so it doesn't look like fuel economy is that importaint in the minds of the buyers yet, of performance cars at least.
I don't really like the massive trucks you guys have, nor the huge SUV's for the road only but thats more my problem.

Nice take on the car scene of the two countries.

On here it seems there is some "bad blood" due to political stances.

No Sean... on here it seems there is bad blood between the two due to immaturity and a lack of real enthusiasm for cars... Let's be honest about it.

For me, I actually envy Australia for having the Monaro while we Americans are stuck with the Goat (my dad would agree with me on this). I really wish we could have at least the Lumina brought over here since it retains more of the Holden look.

But overall, I don't really favor one country over the other. If the car looks and runs good, despite whether it's American or Australian, I will still love it.

No Sean... on here it seems there is bad blood between the two due to immaturity and a lack of real enthusiasm for cars... Let's be honest about it.

There are always going to be immature members and their posts will reflect this, Doesnt help that 90% of the forum is 15 or younger.

Australian cars and American cars are different in name only for the most part.

Theres never been bad blood between the car guys.


We are brought together by our collective hatred of rice and little engines.

Australian cars and American cars are different in name only for the most part.

Theres never been bad blood between the car guys.


We are brought together by our collective hatred of rice and little engines.
LOL.... I like that, that's good! lol

Australian cars and American cars are different in name only for the most part.

Theres never been bad blood between the car guys.


We are brought together by our collective hatred of rice and little engines. On the rice part, yes, little engines? I seriously would consider taking that back...

Australian cars and American cars are different in name only for the most part.

Theres never been bad blood between the car guys.


We are brought together by our collective hatred of rice and little engines.

Australians are more renowned for our smaller displacement/small block (253/304/308) V8's as oppose to larger capacity/big blocks (396/427/454+).

We also built hugely successful straight sixes that literally destroyed the 8's of the time.

like the Torana A9X

The racing A9X's which dominated for several years used the L34 which was a V8.

The GTR-XU1 Torana's used a straight 6 though, First the 186s and then the 202. Both were hugely successful as well and put the 351 cleveland powered Falcon GT's to shame.

The Charger also used a I6.

On the rice part, yes, little engines? I seriously would consider taking that back...

No one likes little engines.

Sure they are great for practical cars, but if we loved practical cars we wouldent be here right now.

And by little Im talking low displacment fours, since when has a six anything been considered small ?

No one likes little engines.

Sure they are great for practical cars, but if we loved practical cars we wouldent be here right now.

And by little Im talking low displacment fours, since when has a six anything been considered small ?

I am with you on this one.

No one likes little engines.
And by little Im talking low displacment fours, since when has a six anything been considered small ?

I always thought anything smaller than a 260 cubic inch V8 was tiny

untill i read this post ive never even thought of the australian government

and now that I am, do you guys have an army? lol, j/k, im sure you do

same thign happene dto me awhile back with mexico

and canada.

I have no problem with ausies, no bad blood or nothing, since I dont know thier political views, i cant hate them, :p

ad I love the cars, so, as well. with me anyways.

although I dont think ill be doing any kissing. Im american, yes, but that doesnt mean im from san fransisco...

and now that I am, do you guys have an army? lol, j/k, im sure you do


Yes we do, They are currently being exploited by your governement.;)

if they werent, our government wouldnt be doing what seems to be there job, nowadays.