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Juggernaut
Dec 17, 2006, 6:11 PM
So Sport Auto conducted the Supertest of the new Lamborghini LP640

Weight with full tank of fuel:

1805 kg

Acceleration test times

0-100 km/h: 3.4 secs

0-160 km/h: 7.7 secs

0-200 km/h: 11.2 secs

Braking Test: (with carbon ceramic brakes)

from 100 km/h (cold) : 39.7 m OR 9.7 m/s^2
from 100 km/h (hot) : 35.3 m OR 10.9 m/s^2 Veryon does in 31.69 metres

from 200 km/h (hot) : 135.7 m OR 11.4 m/s^2

Complete (mind the word complete) lap of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap time is :

7 min 47 secs
7 min 48 secs - Porsche 997 GT3
7 min 50 secs - Old Murcielago
7 min 52 secs - Gallardo

Complete Lap of 2.6 KM Hockenheim Short Circuit:

1 min 11.8 secs

For Comparison

1 min 11.5 secs - Corvette Z06
1 min 11.7 secs - 997 GT3
1 min 11.8 secs - Gallardo
1 min 12.0 secs - Old Murcielago

One of the big advantages of the car is that with the optional rear wing fitted (with which the whole test was conducted) it produces massive amounts of downforce

It produces 41 kg of net downforce ( that is the amount left after balancing the negative lift) at 200 km/h

So the 640 bhp LP640 is definitely an improvement but not an improvement enough to entice the Murcielago owners to upgrade to the latest iteration.

All said and done it loses out to its main rival the Zonda F big time

You can read more about the Zonda F test here

http://www.sportscarforums.com/f9/zonda-f-loses-carrera-gt-10978.html


The price of the test car with all the options included was 278,864 euros

you can see the scanned version here

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=111663

zeyk
Dec 17, 2006, 6:21 PM
1805 kg??
r u sure?coz the veyron weighs 1888 kg so this must be way lighter than that.

Juggernaut
Dec 17, 2006, 6:25 PM
Veyron has 1888 KG dry weight. Top it up with fuel and everything and it will surely see 2100 kg or atleast 2050 kilo or sumthing

And the advertised dry weight is 1665 KGS

Driftster
Dec 17, 2006, 6:35 PM
More money...higher stressed engine...and everyone thought it's AERO was so much more amazing cause Lambo knows what they're doing...

3 seconds over how many miles?
That's a goddamn hunk of crap...Like I said when i first saw this ugly ugly car

Juggernaut
Dec 17, 2006, 6:41 PM
More money...higher stressed engine...and everyone thought it's AERO was so much more amazing cause Lambo knows what they're doing...

3 seconds over how many miles?
That's a goddamn hunk of crap...Like I said when i first saw this ugly ugly car

that would be 3 seconds over 12.8 Miles

Maserati Man
Dec 17, 2006, 6:54 PM
i'm a little depressed actually. it's 4 seconds slower than a Z06 around the Nurburgring, and only one second faster than the GT3 which has (mind you) 220hp LESS!!! that's pathetic. i had high hopes for this car, and i thought it could atleast beat the Z06. this is with the optional rear wing too.

and it ties the Gallardo on the shorter track. pfft.

Lamborghini should be ashamed.

and the people at Chevrolet should pop yet another champagne bottle for their amazing Z06. for as much as i don't want to praise the car, i have to.

Robbie
Dec 17, 2006, 7:39 PM
that really sucks, its a gallardo

those specs does sound good, but those acceleration is with the full tank right? so that may ake quite a long time, but hell, if they did it with some other changes to the tracks, it could make it faster of somesort, like doing the small BMW track with half a tank or something...it would beat the others in the track, but only 1 second? ridiculous thing, maybe its about the tank thing, but how the hell is it 1 second? it should be more, im not going to buy a LP640 and show off to a GT3 owner that i could beat him in the "ring"

Juggernaut
Dec 17, 2006, 7:41 PM
I highly doubt the Z06's lap times Maser Man I mean there have been time when GM Claimed 7:59 for the Z51 C6 but Sport Auto managed 8:15 at the best.

But I think even if its a bit slower in the Hands of Sport Auto it should definitely log a time under 7 min 50 secs since it beats the less powerful GT3 at Hockenheim. Therefore at a Nurburgring where power also plays a part it may and should beat both the GT3 and the LP640. Ahh who am I kidding ...There is way way more credibility in Z06's mfr. advertised laptimes than in other mfr. advertised lap times.

In the end i do I think most of the times that the 7:43 Z06 lap time was real.

You gotta give it to them Z06 is one of the greatest sports cars ever. One proper 300 grand super car basher from America. And no Skyline .you never really deserved that tag..

that really sucks, its a gallardo

those specs does sound good, but those acceleration is with the full tank right? so that may ake quite a long time, but hell, if they did it with some other changes to the tracks, it could make it faster of somesort, like doing the small BMW track with half a tank or something...it would beat the others in the track, but only 1 second? ridiculous thing, maybe its about the tank thing, but how the hell is it 1 second? it should be more, im not going to buy a LP640 and show off to a GT3 owner that i could beat him in the "ring"


Acceleration times are not with full tank. They just listed how much the car would weigh full tank. For acceleration they use 1/8 th of the fuel capacity and for the laptime they use the bare minimun needed for 2 laps

Driftster
Dec 17, 2006, 7:42 PM
HAHAHAH
that's 2 topics now...that i've been right on the money and scrutinized for being a biased idiot who knew nothing..


Booyakaa....The Ty man Strikes again

Juggernaut
Dec 17, 2006, 7:47 PM
what do u mean???^^^^

Robbie
Dec 17, 2006, 7:47 PM
ahh well, thats still quite impressive, i thought it would have been better...

Juggernaut
Dec 17, 2006, 7:49 PM
well the acceleration times are in line with mfr claims..

nist7
Dec 17, 2006, 8:25 PM
This initial result is disappointing, as Maserati Man already pointed out.

But you guys have to remember that this is ONE testing session with ONE driver behind the wheel (I assume). If you look at the Nurburgring lap times on supercars.net you see that the lap times can vary a LOT between different drivers.

We cannot jump to any conclusions regarding the performance of the LP640 based on just this one number, that would be stupid. It's possible that the LP640 may hit the 7:40 mark with another driver.

Supra Toms
Dec 17, 2006, 9:00 PM
Weather is a HUGE factor in these times, it could account for a minimum of 10 sec difference.

car lover !!
Dec 17, 2006, 9:14 PM
Porsche Carrera GT beat this by 15seconds ?
Thats kinda hard to accept.. track condition is different I guess.. the reason is kinda reasonable but the driver is different is just stupid. Why don't you call Schumacher to test ?

I'm kinda disappointed..

JoeProte83
Dec 17, 2006, 9:21 PM
This further prove that LAMBORGHINI MAKE THE BIGGEST CRAP CAR IN THE EXOTIC LINE. Wow what an improvement. Is just a stopid AUDI with Lambo Badge. LAMBORGHINI died after the DIABLO series finished. simple as that.....

Maserati Man
Dec 18, 2006, 2:46 AM
Weather is a HUGE factor in these times, it could account for a minimum of 10 sec difference.
and you think they don't consider that when testing the car? you think they picked one day randomly, then hoped for a sunny day? not in the least.

Brain_6
Dec 18, 2006, 8:25 AM
This further prove that LAMBORGHINI MAKE THE BIGGEST CRAP CAR IN THE EXOTIC LINE. Wow what an improvement. Is just a stopid AUDI with Lambo Badge. LAMBORGHINI died after the DIABLO series finished. simple as that.....

Thats a bit extreme buddy, iam sure ur outburst is going to spark a mini- outrage, lol.
I don;t agree with u but i can;t be bothered saying anything to argue or support my view.

GLIDSG
Dec 18, 2006, 8:58 AM
I'm disappointed too, although I love its style , its presence , it look so menacing in real life, but I contine to want a LP640 VERSACE=)

nucnik
Dec 18, 2006, 9:09 AM
This further prove that LAMBORGHINI MAKE THE BIGGEST CRAP CAR IN THE EXOTIC LINE. Wow what an improvement. Is just a stopid AUDI with Lambo Badge. LAMBORGHINI died after the DIABLO series finished. simple as that.....

That’s one of the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard… Lamborghini didn't die after the Diablo, they just got calmer for a while. I would agree that the Gallardo wasn't a proper Lambo, but at least now, with the LP640, they've shown us that they can still make great cars...

And besides, Lambos were never about the race track performance, but more on the looks and sound of the car itself, and straight line speed… If you want to get a good track result get a Ferrari or a Porsche, as it was proven on the “ring”, but you’re an idiot if you only care about the track times (unless you’re going to race with it every single day). There’s much more to a car it than just that… I don't care about the "slow" lap times of the Lambo, because it’s one of the most gorgeous cars ever… And that makes up for almost anything...

Tom Kristensen
Dec 18, 2006, 10:00 AM
I'm not dissapointed. Nobody who buys a LP640 is gonna use it for racing against Enzos on a track anyway, and you can't really trsut these Nürburgring times for shít because it depends so much upon the driver and the weather.

Juggernaut
Dec 18, 2006, 10:02 AM
But the Good thing about Sport Auto times is that they were all done by the same driver in fairly similiar conditions.

Robbie
Dec 18, 2006, 10:03 AM
thats quite professional to be honest, as i think the ring always change weathers, very fast

Tom Kristensen
Dec 18, 2006, 10:08 AM
But the Good thing about Sport Auto times is that they were all done by the same driver in fairly similiar conditions.Hmm.. well. But at least the Z06's lap time on 7.42 wasn't done by Auto Sport, so the Murciélago will probably beat it then.

Also, it's almost half the price of the Zonda, so the slower lap time is respectable, and the Murciélago is really more of a status symbol than a race car anyway.

megadeath999
Dec 18, 2006, 3:17 PM
woah people make such a great big stink over just a second or two here or there DOES IT REALLY MATTER!?!?!? lol just about all of us will never own an LP640 or all of that stuff so why does everybody make a big stink out of it? its over a course miles so it is impossible to fault a car because of track times when the track is 12 miles.

Also to settle the nurburgring issue we have to get that lady from TopGear who went round in the S type diesel in 9.12, to drive these cars around so nobody can say anything about a driver

Maserati Man
Dec 18, 2006, 4:41 PM
woah people make such a great big stink over just a second or two here or there DOES IT REALLY MATTER!?!?!? lol just about all of us will never own an LP640 or all of that stuff so why does everybody make a big stink out of it? its over a course miles so it is impossible to fault a car because of track times when the track is 12 miles.
if you're concerned about never being able to own and LP640 then why did you even look at this thread?

bossesjoe
Dec 18, 2006, 4:56 PM
But you guys have to remember that this is ONE testing session with ONE driver behind the wheel (I assume). If you look at the Nurburgring lap times on supercars.net you see that the lap times can vary a LOT between different drivers.The Carrera GT dropped near ten seconds over the course of a few years just from different drivers.

Juggernaut
Dec 18, 2006, 5:11 PM
The Carrera GT dropped near ten seconds over the course of a few years just from different drivers.+

I wouldn't say so!! The definitive time of CGT was by achieved by Walter Röhrl just before the launch of the car in the market.. 7 mins 28 sec Since then N00bs have been trying their best. BTW that time of CGT is still the fastest for a factory built supercar. Only the Radicals and Donkies can be faster from the factory

JoeProte83
Dec 19, 2006, 1:59 AM
That’s one of the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard… Lamborghini didn't die after the Diablo, they just got calmer for a while. I would agree that the Gallardo wasn't a proper Lambo, but at least now, with the LP640, they've shown us that they can still make great cars...

And besides, Lambos were never about the race track performance, but more on the looks and sound of the car itself, and straight line speed… If you want to get a good track result get a Ferrari or a Porsche, as it was proven on the “ring”, but you’re an idiot if you only care about the track times (unless you’re going to race with it every single day). There’s much more to a car it than just that… I don't care about the "slow" lap times of the Lambo, because it’s one of the most gorgeous cars ever… And that makes up for almost anything...

I didn't know we can hear in the Internet... anyway If Lambo isn't about PERFORMANCE, why Ferruccio Lamborghini wasted his time making a car to compete against Ferrari, not in the streets but in the track? huh? They even raced in F1. So don't give me the crap they aren't performance cars. LOOK'S? i dont think so. The countach has one of the ugliest looks at the time. Not cause it sounded and performed well i loved it. Even when looking ugly like hell i kinda loved and still loved the way the car is. THAT'S A REAL LAMBORGHINI. The LP640 in my eyes isn't even 1/4th of what a Diablo is. Even the Miura is one of the most amazing cars they have made even when they took fire sudenly from nowhere. They were made for the customer with pleasure. With excellency in mind. THEY WERE UNIQUE. something that today they aren't........ simple as that........

zeyk
Dec 19, 2006, 2:13 AM
lamborghini entered F1 coz mr. chrysler told so...i.e Chrysler President Lee Iacocca...in 1987.


In 1987 Lamborghini was bought by the Chrysler Corporation as part of its international expansion plans. Chrysler President Lee Iacocca decided that the Italian firm should enter Formula 1. Former Ferrari team manager Daniele Audetto was hired to run a new company called Lamborghini Engineering in Bologna and Mauro Forghieri was appointed technical director to oversee the design and construction of a V12 Formula 1 engine for the new 3.5-liter Formula 1 regulations in 1989.

Early in 1988 Lamborghini Engineering announced that it would supply the engines to the Larrousse-Calmels team. The 1989 season was not an easy one but there was a gradual improvement and Philippe Alliot scored a point in Spain in October, soon after Team Lotus did a deal to use the engines in 1990.

At the same time Lamborghini agreed a deal to supply an engine and chassis to Mexican businessman Fernando Gonzalez Luna in 1991. A few months later, as the car was nearing completion, Luna disappeared with the money. The project was sold to industrialist Carlo Patrucco and became known as the Modena Team.

The 1990 season with Larrousse and Lotus was promising with Larrousse's Eric Bernard and Aguri Suzuki picking up points throughout the year, Suzuki gave Lamborghini its first podium finish in Japan and the team finished sixth in the World Championship. Lotus scored only three points.

The Ligier team took over Larrousse's supply in 1991 and Modena Team replaced Lotus but neither team scored points although Eric van de Poele was running fourth at Imola when his car broke. For a short period Forghieri was technical director of Modena Team but then returned to Lamborghini Engineering to work on the development of a 60-valve version of the engine.

With Ligier switching to Renault engines in 1992 and Modena Team closing down, Lamborghini supplied Larrousse and Minardi in 1992. That year a new management took over Chrysler and, with Lamborghini reducing its production, it could not longer afford to fund the F1 program. Chrysler chairman Bob Eaton decided that the engines would be rebadged Chrysler and that the firm would mount a bigger F1 attack in 1994. In the course of 1993 - with only Larrousse still running the engines - Eaton had talks with McLaren's Ron Dennis and McLaren built a test car for Chrysler. In the autumn Ayrton Senna and Mika Hakkinen both tested a white McLaren-Lamborghini test car but at the last minute, however, Dennis decided to enter into McLaren's ill-fated alliance with Peugeot which left Chrysler with no choice but to pull out of F1 as Larrousse had run out of money and could no longer afford the engines.

In November 1993 Chrysler sold Lamborghini to an Indonesian Group called Megatech. The Formula 1 program was canceled.
looks like they didn't want to....but were pushed into F1 by their owners.lambos didn't start out as track whores.Ferruccio Lamborghini wanted to make a better car...didn't say i'll see u on track buddy!!

JoeProte83
Dec 19, 2006, 2:51 AM
But the first engine EVER made by Lamborghini was a RACE ENGINE. Not a street performance engine. Even when they didn't wanted to they did race in F1. I was wrong about the thing of competing in the track but anyway the 350GT has a RACE ENGINE even when it was a GT. In other word's. Lamborghini was born as a RACE CAR......

wanna koenigsegg
Dec 19, 2006, 7:02 AM
I am not overly surprised by the times, Lambo's have been tame for years now.

v@nQu!$h~$
Dec 19, 2006, 7:30 AM
Wow! It actually beat a GT3 over both circuits!! Now that's impressive!!

JoeProte83
Dec 20, 2006, 1:50 AM
haha lol. it beat a car with 300+hp less