You heard it here first: Bugatti will be dead, again. And this time it seems to be for good. ( http://www.motorauthority.com/news/supercars/bugatti-under-threat-by-porsche/)

Porsche, using its mighty influence in the VW Group, evidently has plans to kill Bugatti as a proper production marque. This means that the already ultra-exclusive name will be even more so. If the plan follows through, Bugatti will become a coachbuilder, meaning that it will only be building one-off, specially commissioned automobiles similar to the Ferrari P4/5 by Pininfarina. And the new price tag will probably be similar to the P4/5, at around $4,000,000 USD a pop. At least it won't be losing any money.

RIP

they had it coming...love the way porsche is calling the shots.

Yeah Baby!! No more two tonne supercars!!!!

Kinda sad, the Bugattis of late were quite something, but now they will just be a sticker on some rich guy's Parker pen or a badge on the window of a car.

I kinda knew something like this was gonna happen, but I am kinda sad to see it go.

i trust porsche..so .

In porsche i TRust !! lol :D

Hmm...I'm not happy about this.

Who's to say if the the plan will 'follow through' or not ? :-k

Is this so the CGT has a chance to beat the Veyron?

No more cow tubes around the road. To bad Bugga won't never be as the old days.

Well, they had it coming too long. They are losing money on every single car, but I still thought VW had their back and was always ready to keep them alive.

guess porsche could not handle the competition. They cannot build anything even remotely comperable, so try to eliminate other marques. This is a sad thing. Healthy competition is what spawns better vehicles. Without the top maker, the other companies are to continue making less advanced vehicles

I think we are all missing the true point here.......

Is this the beginning of Porsche taking over the world ???????

Come On Everybody Porsche can and will build something that will beat Veyron on the straightline and every other supercar/track day prototypes on a circuit. They are already into the development stage. The name is GT1 ..Porsche GT1. It will use a twin turbo version of the V10 in the CGT

http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/111888_ppr.jpg

Written by: Autocar staff

Porsche is poised to burst Bugatti’s bubble when it rolls out the fastest road car in the world in 2009 — and Autocar magazine has revealed how it expects it to look.

This radical supercar is expected to be dubbed GT1, and will be a 950hp, road-legal version of Porsche’s future Le Mans challenger. According to insiders, the target top speed is 254mph — a crucial 2mph faster than the claimed top speed of the 987hp Bugatti Veyron.

The core of the new car is the Carrera GT’s carbon fiber chassis, fitted with modified nose and tail structures. The interior is also based closely on the Carrera’s distinctive dashboard and center console.

Autocar’s exclusive illustration is drawn entirely from leaked official technical drawings of the car. Sources have also revealed that full-bore 950hp engines are under test, as well as work on weight distribution and aerodynamics, both of which will differ from the competition versions of the car.

One thing that’s not clear at this stage is how the massive slug of power will be delivered. One suggestion is that it would have to come from a turbocharged version of the Carrera GT’s V10 engine. However, other motorsport sources say it will be powered by an enlarged, twin-turbo, 5.5-liter version of the Cayenne’s V8.

In fact, Porsche is already racing a 600hp, normally aspirated V8 engine in the American Le Mans series with the Penske-prepared RS Spyder, and it’s expected to be adopted by Porsche’s own European Le Mans racer. However, Le Mans racers will switch to the closed-coupe format from 2010.

guess porsche could not handle the competition. They cannot build anything even remotely comperable, so try to eliminate other marques. This is a sad thing. Healthy competition is what spawns better vehicles. Without the top maker, the other companies are to continue making less advanced vehicles

Exactly,with the Veyron program not expected to turn a profit any time soon, rumors began circulating about a possible entry-level Bugatti roadster, and possibly even a more modestly priced sedan.Porsche has concerns of its own about Bugatti moving downmarket.

What they are doing is jacking up the price of the Veyron to $4m because its no longer a 'production car' but a coach-build car.

I'm sad to see the Veyron go. But its a competitive world and if your unprofitable you get axed (but in Ford's POV with Aston Martin, if your profitable, you get sold off)

Juggernaut, that new Porsche supercar looks incredible. Although I do hope they can come up with some newer styling ideas.

I think it's about time Bugatti is sent to the graveyard once and for all. They were a formidable force way back in the day but today's Bugatti just isn't nearly as exciting.

So if the Veyron is not a production car, this means that the Mclaren F1 and Koenigsegg CCR will be the world's fastest production cars again. Kind of stupid, really, to put all that effort into the Veyron only to have it killed. The problem could have been resolved simply by charging more money for the car. If somone is more than willing to pay $1.3 million for a Veyron, would they have a problem with $2 million? probably not, considering how much money a Veyron customer has.

No, it would still be the fastest production car as it was in production until Porsche 'killed' it.

No, the Veyron still stays a production car. It's just that AFTER Bugatti finishes making the 300 Veyrons that they plan to make they will NOT make any more cars "assembly line" style. They'll build one-off cars for specific customers instead of making one on their own and offering it to the public.

Oh yeah, and I think every Veyron actually costs VW 5 million GBP which is equivalent to about 9.7 million USD.

How many people do you think will shell out 10 million USD for a car? yeah, probably not a lot..

Juggernaut.. that one looks great..

Back to the topic..
I don't seriously understand what it means.. is it that Buggati stop production of the Veyron and building some ultimate machines that is the one and the only on earth ?

Back to the topic..
I don't seriously understand what it means.. is it that Buggati stop production of the Veyron and building some ultimate machines that is the one and the only on earth ?

The Veyron will still be produced and it is still a production car.

But from what I understand, after Bugatti finishes making the Veyron, it will not make any more cars the normal way. It will make unique, one-off cars that is personalized to who ever is rich enough and creative enough to go to them with an idea.

car lover, let's say that you are a billionaire and that you feel the Veyron is too heavy. So you might go to Bugatti and say.

car lover: "hey, look guys, i think the normal Veyron is too heavy, too ugly in the front, can you make something that's lighter, more aerodynamic AND improve the engine/tranny as well?"

Bugatti: "sure, why not. Just give us about $10 million USD and a year or so."

car lover: "okay, here is the check."

And then boom! You have the Veyron SL (Super Light) which is the most insane sueprcar ever, making 1500bhp and weighing at half the normal Veyron's weight.

But that's just an example.

Basically a coachbuilder means that YOU the customer go to them to give them the money and the idea. Basically, it means that you can make your own car, with your own engine/tranny/looks/etc./everything. That's what they'll be doing.

Thank you Dr. Piech for bringing such a engineering masterpiece.

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It's from EVO magazine, and shows the wind brake and acceleration force. You can hear the deep growl of the forced-induced W16.

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Zhukov, is that your own forum?

Damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit!!!!!
I really liked Buggati. Really great and, if I may say so, revolutionary supercars.(or maybe just the Veyron)
oh well. Im still pissed

Hmmm...it's business hehe.Anyway that new Porsche looks really cool!!!!!!

nist7.. thats for the explanation.. that is great.
I want my own car very much.. If I had a chance.. I would go something like this.. buy a Proton Waja.. send it to any coachbuilders.. and make it like a Merc.. just the interior and the engine.

Wow, I seriously feel sad for Bugatti, then again, at least the Veyron isn't gonna' post a problem for that uber-cool Porsche....

Porsche have not won yet! Who knows what will happen in the future for VAG. It may not make economic sense for Porsche to force Bugatti to close if 90% of the money has been spent already i.e. if there are so far in it may be better to keep going than turn back. Porsche do not want to launch a take-over bid for VAG because it has been advised it is too much of a risk. We will have to see who wins the power struggle and if worst comes to worst, who cares if Bugatti becomes a coachbuilder because this will make the cars even more exclusive.

i really dont care, only buggati i liked was the EB110..

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooopheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!! as you can tell i hated the bugatti, it was so pointless. But i love the idea of a coach builder (i wanna go buy a veyron and say your car is a piece of $h!t fix what you fkkkked up in the first place, make it look like a enzo and go 'round a track like exige, accerate like a 'cosser, and have the top speed of a jet)
And the porsche is amazing better than looking than a vantage. and they havent changed the styling since the original 911, they have just gotten more modern so why should they change it now.

Note: just stop and think for a seccond why would they destroy the veyron after all this time and money has been spent on it? Maybe just maybe it is a tricky marketing scheme to sell more, (all those collectors dying to get their hands on one before it goes poof! and they will say oh 302 people want a veyron.. wait no 303 no 304 and on and on it will go) Just think for a seccond... maybe im right (both my parents are journalist and they teach me to question stuff)

no matter how much u hate the veyron...it was still a masterpiece.
don't think that hating sumthing great makes u cool or hip.
sumtimes it shows lack of taste and appreciation.

I like the idea. I never really liked the new Bugatti that much and this could really be a way to bring respect back to their name instead of needless number crunching. I would love to see a new area of Coach built cars but with no coach builders around that could be hard and none of the modern companies are set up for it anymore. But Bentleys would make a great base, so would the upcoming Panorama and Espada. Hell even the Murci, Gallardo's or high spec 911s would work.

Wth ?! I dont understand this .. I thought all along the Veyron was supposed and expected to be a lost for the Bugatti company, they build the Veyron to build up a reputation and a name for themselves so they can go on and build less expensive cars with the reputation of under the name of the fastest roadcar built

They are still gonna produce the Veyron until 2008, aren't they? I mean, they were supposed to produce a certain amount of Veyrons from 2005 to 2008 or something.

300....
and after that...over.no more 250mph cars.

It will still be prawning the world, saving lives and capturing hearts every hour of every day untill 2009 where Porsche make their street legal 2010 coupé.

Still, ain't so bad, I'm gonna celebrate with cake when the road lgal 2010 coupés come to cap the Veyron's flat ass.

I think we are all missing the true point here.......

Is this the beginning of Porsche taking over the world ???????

I guess that was in 1938 .. lo0l

No it was 1898 when he helped make the first train to use a system of internal combustion engine powering electric motors. Or in 1906 when he got his job as an engineer at Austro-Daimler, Maybe even 1931 when he started Porsche.

oh i was reffering to the first Porsche ..... the Porsche 64 , wasn't that in 1938 ? .......

I was talking about when the company was made, 1931. But I'm using Wikipedia as a source so I might be wrong.

I was talking about when the company was made, 1931. But I'm using Wikipedia as a source so I might be wrong.

No, you are all wrong. It's actual unknown, it was founded in Spain in the early 20's..

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Porsche :D

This won't be a gain OR a loss for the automotive community. It's been many years since Bugatti produced a car that actually contributed to the automotive world. Sure the Veyron's set a record but what has Bugatti REALLY done for me lately?!?! lol

My thoughts:

It's time for Bugatti to finally rest in peace. They were dominant in the 20s and 30s and then died gracefully (the FIRST time) but ever since the Bugatti name was revived in the late 80s their cars (the EB110 and the Veyron) have been a disgrace to Ettore Bugatti.

The original Bugatti under its founder has always been focused on motorsports and its application of racing technology and design to a select few road going cars. Today's Bugatti is simply about excess in every way: power, luxury, ugliness, price, top speed, etc. It has no passion, no soul and ZERO racing heritage. It has become a publicity stunt playtoy for VW execs and a status symbol for the ultra wealthy.

No, you are all wrong. It's actual unknown, it was founded in Spain in the early 20's..

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Porsche :DLol, what the hell is that?

They didn't rule the world before they made a car anyway, so it would be from June 8 1948.

I'm sad that the Bugatti will be gone. but well, at least the Veyron make it to production. I would still like to dream of owning a Bugatti, though

Ah, who cares? Some rich company will drop by and revive them in a couple of years. True legends never die - and the Veyron is a legend whether we like it or not.

^^ Bugatti is a legend ...... not the Veyron.

^^ Bugatti is a legend ...... not the Veyron.It was the first street car to hit 400 kmph, so its name will be written in capital B/I/U size 4 letters in the books of automotive history!

but there is one problem...wud ne one buy a car for 4 million?
it mite turn ugly.....and mite not like it....4 mills gone down de drain.

If you can afford a Bohgatty Vairon, you can easily afford to flush money down the loo every now and then.

but wudn't that be a waste of a veyron...it looks ugly....bone stock..what possible mods can be done to make it beautiful?

IMO they had it coming. you cannot charge £1'000'000 for a two tonne, c**p-filled, skoda-lighted, 250mph experiment. there will be nothing like that made ever again.
As Jeremy Clarkson said in the Top Gear episode featuring the Bugatti earlier this year, "This is our concorde moment"
It's gone now mate

but wudn't that be a waste of a veyron...it looks ugly....bone stock..what possible mods can be done to make it beautiful?An entire new body shell is the only way out! One with some wings. I hate the Veyron solely for it's wrong shape.

u do..but it does serve a purpose..aerodynamics,air flow.that thing mite have cooling if it was re designed.the very reason why there is no engine cover.it's fat...but sits tight on the road.

Yeah, but the aerodynamic is just aimed towards top speed. Not handling or anything else. It's L/D has gotta be totally sick, and the lack of downforce will make it a b*tch to handle at those speeds.

and then u 'll have a 4-million dollar car hanging from a pole or dissected on the road....hey r they gonna build that baby bugatti or have they scrapped it?
but what makes me proud is the way porsche is taking over.....

The aerodynamics weren't made for anything. Thats what the prototype looked like before they even considered aerodynamics or cooling. Then the head of the project fell in love with the shape and wouldn't listen to the better judgment of his engineers and aerodynamasists (is that a word)

The aerodynamics weren't made for anything. Thats what the prototype looked like before they even considered aerodynamics or cooling. Then the head of the project fell in love with the shape and wouldn't listen to the better judgment of his engineers and aerodynamasists (is that a word)Aerodynamicists*

Shieet. So the Veyron could have been significantly faster if only Mr. Big had listened to his subordinate, but smarter Bohgatty dudes.

i dont get all this.. someone explain to me what Porsche are doing to Bugatti...? all that text on the site didnt make sense, it just confused me lol.. thanks

Yeah, it has a CD of 0.41 or 0.36 depending on the wing location an dride height.
The SSC Ultimate Aero, CCR/X/8S and 911 all have better CD's off the top of my head. Hell even the IROC Camaro had a better CD than the Veyron.

Aerodynamics....doesn't that twin spoiler at the back which comes up at 80mph help push the back of the car down?

If you're gearing up for a top speed run then you can insert the key and the spoiler stays down for the maximum slipperiest shape, but I suppose the spoiler would do its' work at smaller speeds.

Aerodynamics....doesn't that twin spoiler at the back which comes up at 80mph help push the back of the car down?

If you're gearing up for a top speed run then you can insert the key and the spoiler stays down for the maximum slipperiest shape, but I suppose the spoiler would do its' work at smaller speeds.Yeah, you have to keep the spoiler down to reach the top speed. Then the high speed stability goes out the window, and the car will be generating more lift than an average plane wing.

guess porsche could not handle the competition. They cannot build anything even remotely comperable, so try to eliminate other marques. This is a sad thing. Healthy competition is what spawns better vehicles. Without the top maker, the other companies are to continue making less advanced vehicles

Uhhh...remember the 959?

That was alot more impressive then than the Veyron is now.

My opinion?

Oh well, they've been dead for so long it doesn't really irk me.

My opinion?

Oh well, they've been dead for so long it doesn't really irk me.

That's a succinct way to put it. Damn, why didn't I think of that .....

i dont get all this.. someone explain to me what Porsche are doing to Bugatti...? all that text on the site didnt make sense, it just confused me lol.. thanks

Porsche bought originally a 20% stake in VW after German laws were relaxed and this ment that VW was open to a foreign take over but Porsche bought 20% to scupper such attempts. Now Porsche holds a seat on the VW board and can therefore influence decisions which VW take. Now Porsche doesn't want Bugatti (a part of the VW group) to become part of its competition so Porsche wants Bugatti to become a coachbuilder and therefore not a rival to Porsche.

bugatti was dead for ages...in that time it was never a threat to porsche.
now since porsche owns a stake in vw.....i guess it also has to finance bugatti,which porsche won't agree to.so....kill it.and call it a coach builder.after it's dead....release a 254 mph porsche.and i doubt wether porsche will make such a move.it's jus not them.

But... but they... they promised ... the... the four door veyron, and also a mini veyron... :( I guess this is what happens when some companies get a little jealous.