http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40488

Seems like a few big changes are on their way.

GM and Pontiac are also looking at building a new mid sized RWD (Its rumoured to be a Holden Torana, which is expected to get the greenlight for production sometime in the next few months).

i wanna see the pontiac G8, i have this feeling its going to make a massive "BAM" at the car shows and *****..

Looks great.. is it pointed at those French Cabriolet like the 307CC ?
This is sweet though.. if I'm in Australia , I would consider this car when summer comes .

Looks great.. is it pointed at those French Cabriolet like the 307CC ?
This is sweet though.. if I'm in Australia , I would consider this car when summer comes .

Pontiacs are American not Australian, These wont go on sale in Australia.

that was said to be based on rumors

i would like to see what really happens

GM has a lot of good things coming, I might have to make a new thread.

The Big 3 are all planning things to get back into the market's limelight...

It sounds good, but if that G8 will be a Camaro competitor it will be pretty pointless when they are both GM cars. An RWD 3 Series competitor sounds like a good idea though.

It sounds good, but if that G8 will be a Camaro competitor it will be pretty pointless when they are both GM cars. An RWD 3 Series competitor sounds like a good idea though.

The camaro has always had a pontiac counterpart... The firebird/trans am has always been the "other" F body. The chevelles (A bodies) used to have the GTO for competition. GM has always been most successful when they created their own competition

The Big 3 are all planning things to get back into the market's limelight...

i think daimlerchrysler already kind of done that with the new magnum, 300, and etc.

^^^ True, but they cannot just depend on those cars to keep them high among consumers' choices as in the need to keep evolving. Ford has done a positive thing with the Fusion and their shift towards concentrating resources to more gas friendly vehicles; and Chevy already took a step in the right direction with a V8 in their Impalas and expanding most of their cars to accept E85. They all need to make a RWD flagship sedan that will put them up above the the popular Japanesse models that we are accustomed to seeing taking the market share.

I think GM should axe Pontiac, frankly. Buick and Saab, too. Saturn (entry level, niche, foreigner fighter) Chevrolet (full line, muscle, brand power) , Cadillac (full line luxury, performance, flagship), and the truck brands are all they need. It would really help the bottom line, and they could get back to making cars instead of managing brands.

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I didn't give a reason why I think that, so now I will.

Pontiac and Buick are both a joke. The new Pontiacs are all nice looking, but aside from the GTO (which is now dead) and the Solstice (which doesn't look as good as the Sky) thier vehicles are all sub-par in the categories they are supposed to be competing in. Seriously, Pontiac was designed originally to compete with companies like BMW. Who in thier right mind would buy a Pontiac over a Beemer?? Exactly. Buick has been dead for years and someone just needs to take them off of life support, really. Seriously, name a Buick from the past 10 years that excites you. As for good ole' Saab, I miss the old Saabs. So does everyone. Just sell the damn company already and stop ruining thier reputation.

So the good things (which are really very good) and things that should be done--

Saturn has it's act together all the sudden, and really has some great things happening with the Sky, Aura, and the new Ion coming out in a bit. Really, they could run (and I think they are running) directly in tandem with Opel and Vauxhall in the EU and have a foreign-brand-killing car company that's totally founded in the left field Tennesee American thinking that Saturn was founded on.

Chevy is such a monster brand, and has always been so iconic. It always will be, too, so why not take advantage of it (like they finally are recently??). Really, if they focused more on what was good about thier cars and produced more cars like the Corvette and Malibu then life would be good. Make Chevy the full line brand, style them like those pretty new Pontiacs and use history to make a case. Instant winner.

Cadillac is something that I have ALWAYS been sour to until recently. The new Caddies totally kick ass, though. Really, the marketing, the designs, and the whole image thing is totally great. Now, just fix the damn interiors!! Really, the Cobalt has a nicer interior than the CTS. Other than that, continue what has been going on!

So to review, if GM stopped pumping money into its 3 pointless brands (Pontiac, Saab, Buick) and put all thier money and time and research into the 3 (ok, 4 if you include GMC, which should be axed, too) brands that are actually on a role, thier problems would be more few between than they are now.

Buicks are about to be sold in China which is potentially a huge market. So that is one of the last companies that would get axed.

I just see Pontiac as another brand for Chev to be honest, They really need there own face.

And GMC and Hummer are what?




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Yeah I know, but they WON'T get rid of those two brands because they are truck brands, and the Big 3 make all thier money on thier trucks, so there's no point in speculating that they would get rid of them. Aside from that, theres nothing "wrong" per se with Hummer or GMC. They are both kind of pointless, yes, but all GM has to do is slap different grilles on a few Chevys and them remarket them. It's cheap for them to do and the profits are good because people think they are getting a nicer, better product. GMC is technically the Luxury SUV brand for GM, and they do really well selling rebadged Tahoes and Silverados for thousands more than need be. Hummer doesn't need any explanation, really. Who doesn't know what a Hummer is?? They sell themselves.

Pontiac and Buick are both a joke. The new Pontiacs are all nice looking, but aside from the GTO (which is now dead) and the Solstice (which doesn't look as good as the Sky) thier vehicles are all sub-par in the categories they are supposed to be competing in. Seriously, Pontiac was designed originally to compete with companies like BMW. Who in thier right mind would buy a Pontiac over a Beemer?? Exactly.I forget what CEO first said that Pontiac was to compete with BMW but I'm pretty sure he's long gone. That's not Pontiac's purpose, it's real place is just at the logo once said, "excitement". That's right, Pontiac is GM's performance brand. It's sadly been corupted but coming back, this thread is proof. As it is currently it is indeed useless, but it also is a key opportunity to tap into another niche market with RWD cars like the Firebird, GTO and whatever else they can come up with.

Buick has been dead for years and someone just needs to take them off of life support, really. Seriously, name a Buick from the past 10 years that excites you.I can't name a single Buick, but that's no reason to axe the brand at all. Ever consider that Buick might not be marketed towards car enthusiasts? Then go look in the parking lot of a nursing home, count the number of Buicks you find. Then go look at Buick's finances statements. They are one of the last brands that GM wants to cut out.

As for good ole' Saab, I miss the old Saabs. So does everyone. Just sell the damn company already and stop ruining thier reputation.Im a huge Saab fan and I used to own one but there are several things you need to realize. Firstly Saab would be be around if it was not for GM, ask any big Saab fan. Second, Saab is still GM's only real shot at entering the European luxury market, which they need to keep open. If Saab offered a lineup of luxury, turbocharged, AWD vehicles that had a recent styling they would be set. Fortunately this is the direction that Saab is heading, just look at the GM insider forums if you want a sneak peek. Not to mention great technology is coming from Saab, they are the number one turbocharging experts in the world in my opinion and still have the world's only variable compression engine.


Saturn has it's act together all the sudden, and really has some great things happening with the Sky, Aura, and the new Ion coming out in a bit. Really, they could run (and I think they are running) directly in tandem with Opel and Vauxhall in the EU and have a foreign-brand-killing car company that's totally founded in the left field Tennesee American thinking that Saturn was founded on.Just to nit pick Saturn really wasn't founded on Tennessee American thinking, more it was GM's first venture into computer controlled automotive assembly. I do agree though that Saturn has made an amazing turn around and has great potential.

Chevy is such a monster brand, and has always been so iconic. It always will be, too, so why not take advantage of it (like they finally are recently??). Really, if they focused more on what was good about thier cars and produced more cars like the Corvette and Malibu then life would be good. Make Chevy the full line brand, style them like those pretty new Pontiacs and use history to make a case. Instant winner.I totally agree that right now GM should move Chevy more upscale. They somewhat tarnished the name with a line of sub par cars that really should have belonged to Saturn.

Cadillac is something that I have ALWAYS been sour to until recently. The new Caddies totally kick ass, though. Really, the marketing, the designs, and the whole image thing is totally great. Now, just fix the damn interiors!! Really, the Cobalt has a nicer interior than the CTS. Other than that, continue what has been going on!Cadillac was once the BMW of the world, you had arrived once you had a Cadillac. It was the choice daily driver for race car drivers and big shots. They're getting back there.

All in favor of Pontiac going RWD, and giving me something to masturbate to instead of churning out the same lackluster **** that they have been for the past decade (with the exception of the GTO) say aye.












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Aye.

is it a g6? or is it different? i ididn't read much