Max Mosley announced new rules for the F1, and the teams have agreed. But is it good, or wrong for the sport. Give your opinion:
The new rules:
Mosley reported that among the key points agreed were:
- Engines to last more than one race, with power reduced.
- Engine manufacturers to put forward additional proposals to cut engine costs by 50 per cent. This may be achieved through a new smaller, engine formula, or by extending the lifespan of V10 engines.
- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
- Standard brake discs, pads and calipers.
- Weight limits to be reduced.
- The need for a single tyre supplier.
- The need for a new qualifying system.

Max Mosley announced new rules for the F1, and the teams have agreed. But is it good, or wrong for the sport. Give your opinion:
The new rules:
Mosley reported that among the key points agreed were:
- Engines to last more than one race, with power reduced.
- Engine manufacturers to put forward additional proposals to cut engine costs by 50 per cent. This may be achieved through a new smaller, engine formula, or by extending the lifespan of V10 engines.
- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
- Standard brake discs, pads and calipers.
- Weight limits to be reduced.
- The need for a single tyre supplier.
- The need for a new qualifying system.
Its good and bad, yes it will keep costs down, but hey this is F1.
I am for the longer life engines, which is already happening.
I am for the outlawing of driver aids.
I am against changing the brakes.
A single tire supplier sounds good, but thats gonna be hard to pull off IMO.

I am also for the longer life of engines, but they don't whether they are going to make the V10's they use now more reliable, or that they are going to replace them with 2.4 V8. But i still don't know what will be better

- Engines to last more than one race, with power reduced.
NO, I am against this. I liked more the rule of 2003. We need to see power and extreme engines.

- Engine manufacturers to put forward additional proposals to cut engine costs by 50 per cent. This may be achieved through a new smaller, engine formula, or by extending the lifespan of V10 engines.
NO, don't cut the V10. Try to extend lifespan not by changing the engines, but by simply building stronger engines.

- Traction control and electronic driver aids to be outlawed.
YES, I agree with this one. We need to see the talent of th drivers, not the talent of the engineers who tune the electronic driving aids.

- Standard brake discs, pads and calipers.
Definitely NO, the brakes are the most awesome aspect of F1.

- Weight limits to be reduced.
Does this mean that the cars will be heavier? If this is the case, then NO. The cars must be lightweight.

- The need for a single tyre supplier.
I don't know if this is good or bad. It hurts the spectacle and the competition, but improves fair play.

- The need for a new qualifying system.
YES, the current qualifying system is awful. Last years' was better IMO.

I heard that they were switching to V8 engines.

That really sucks. Really.

I heard that they were switching to V8 engines.

so very very unlikely

I heard that they were switching to V8 engines.

so very very unlikely


But you have to remember F1 is known to go through changes.
They have had 4,6,8,10 and 12 cylinder engines over the years.

And a modern V8 could potentally rev even higher then a V10.

If it happened I bet Ferrari would use a 5-valve set-up. :-)

wow, F1 ran 4-cylinder engines? that's pretty crazy. what were the cc on those?

and i think "weight limit to be reduced" means the minimum weight will be reduced, meaning lighter cars.

wow, F1 ran 4-cylinder engines? that's pretty crazy. what were the cc on those?

and i think "weight limit to be reduced" means the minimum weight will be reduced, meaning lighter cars.

Yup they ran 4 bangers for a period back in the day, also about 25 years ago they used turbocharged 4 cylinders.

What's so special about F1 car brakes?

What's so special about F1 car brakes?
That they achieve about 5g decceleration. And that they do that for more than an hour without melting or braking up.

What's so special about F1 car brakes?
That they achieve about 5g decceleration. And that they do that for more than an hour without melting or braking up.
Ok thanks, but how can i change that to meters or feets you know 100km/h(62mph) - 0 km/h? Other words how many feets a F1 car needs to stop from 62mph?

Well I think that apart from cutting down on the traction control, all the new proposals absolutely stink!

But I will admit that the engine formula will change. I think the engine builders would of pushed for it sooner or later. V10's are all well and good, but the size is always in question. I am always amazed when "new" fans go about how mad it is to see 3 litre V10's approaching and surpassing 1000bhp but I will ALWAYS love the last of the turbo era engines. The Ford for example. 1.5Litres V6 turbo. And on full boost at certain circuits they had approx 1000-1100BHP and that was back in the mid 1980's!!

And the single tyre supplier. Well for years we only had Goodyear and that was always fun! So maybe development didn't move on as fast but all the cars always used their tyres differently. In fact you could always bet that one of the smaller teams would have a much better setup on monsoon wets and fly in the first wet race! So why not? Possibly get someone like Avon or Goodyear back in? Just to really throw the tyre development curve well out of sink for everyone! :roll:

What's so special about F1 car brakes?
That they achieve about 5g decceleration. And that they do that for more than an hour without melting or braking up.
Ok thanks, but how can i change that to meters or feets you know 100km/h(62mph) - 0 km/h? Other words how many feets a F1 car needs to stop from 62mph?

Well you can't really talk about it like that as it is so brutal!

Here is McLaren have to say about the technical specs on their brakes:

“A further advantage of carbon brakes is that they need very little preconditioning,” Steve continues. “On the brake system, you have all three components – two pads and a disk – all the same material, so no bedding-in is required. All you have to manage is the wear. Operating temperatures can be over a wide range, peaking at 900-1000 degrees C at those moments when they glow under maximum application.

“This, however is a spike temperature, with mean temperatures varying from track to track. Montreal heats the pads the most, to a 600-degree C average, while Silverstone or Suzuka bring mean temperatures of more like 400 degrees C. This is why the mechanics fit electric fans on the brake ducts and wear thermal gloves when they work on the cars.”

Like all Formula One car parts, the brake pads have a much shorter life than those on a road car, with a typical set of carbon brake pads being used for a race, then perhaps a practice and a test session – in total, a maximum of 800km, around five percent of the life of steel road car pads.

Their stopping potential is phenomenal, however, pulling roughly 4g longitudinal load from maximum speed before the speed drops and the aerodynamic forces reduce. In short, carbon brakes are hugely impressive, but so they should be since they are also significantly more expensive than those on a standard road car.

Technical Specification
Weight: 290g
Dimensions: 165mm long; 25mm thick and 45mm wide
Material: Carbon fibre
Number per season: Eight per car at any time, totalling roughly 600 per season"

As for distances well lets see....

www.formula1.com had this to say:

Formula One brakes are remarkably efficient. In combination with the modern advanced tyre compounds they have dramatically reduced braking distances. It takes a Formula One car considerably less distance to stop from 160 km/h than a road car uses to stop from 100 km/h.

I can't actually find any figures! SORRY! Someone help me here! Please!

Thanks Yogi 555, great info.

What's so special about F1 car brakes?
That they achieve about 5g decceleration. And that they do that for more than an hour without melting or braking up.
Ok thanks, but how can i change that to meters or feets you know 100km/h(62mph) - 0 km/h? Other words how many feets a F1 car needs to stop from 62mph?
Should be about 10-13 meters or so. (30-40ft)

Ok so I know that most of what I am about to say has been said by many people a lot better placed to judge than I, but non-the less I would like to share my opinion with you all!

Pit Stops

First I would make all the cars carry fuel tanks big enough to do the entire race without stopping. But of course tyre stops would still be allowed.

Tires

Tied to this I would push for a single tyre supplier. Get in a manufacturer who isn’t involved right now. Every five years a new supplier would be able to bid for the “contract” and the winning bid would be the best in terms of cost versus development versus environmental impact of production and disposal. I would remove the grooves. Stupid idea from the start, and I would make the rear tires wider by 30mm and the fronts by 15mm. Make the tyres have a “performance” life of about 80-90 miles.

Testing

Each team would have 25 days before the first race of the year. That is 25 days from the beginning of the year. And they have to test a minimum of 5 days in their home country. No testing between the end of the last year of the year before and January 1st! After the season has started, Friday the track would be open for 4 hours just for the F1. Each team must have one test driver and one only who must run for at least 25 laps, race drivers must also run for a minimum of 30 laps. Saturday morning would be 90 minutes; race drivers only, must complete minimum 15 laps.

Qualifying

Saturday afternoon. 90 minutes. Drivers must do 16 laps and their “qualifying” time would be an average of their four fastest laps!

Aerodynamics

Cut wing areas by 15%.

Car in general

Make the minimum weight increase by 75kg. Not that much, but enough I think.

Engine

Size: 2800cc. Type: V8. Must last all three days of race weekend and once the cars are qualified off no one can touch them! Penalty for an engine change would be demotion to the back of the grid. More than 4 engine changes for one driver in one year would mean that that driver would have 2.5 seconds added to each of his remaining qualifying times for that championship! Engine manufactures must offer customer engines at no more than $8.5million for a season.

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But is it really that good to expand the lifespan of an engine :?: :?:
Because when they do that, there will be less failures to the cars, and the best teams will take all the points every race. The only chance for little teams like Jordan and Minardi to win points is in races like Brazil 2003, with lots of rain.

And Bernie Ecclestone came up with a good plan for the qualifying: Go back to the old system from 2002 with one hour qualy and 12 laps, but every driver must drive 6 laps before the first half hour is over. I think that would be very good

Pit Stops

First I would make all the cars carry fuel tanks big enough to do the entire race without stopping. But of course tyre stops would still be allowed.

I don't agree with this. It would make the cars tooo heavy, plus a fuel tank that large cannot fit inside the car.

Ok!

First my original post stating my view on what rules I would like to see should of stated that they carry on the theme of cost cutting, well at least in the engine department!

As for the qualifying. Well if they had to get 16 laps in, in 90 minutes then I think there is a good chance that they would do at least 4 in the first 30 minutes!!

The fuel tanks size and design as they stand now would not do the full 200 or so miles that make up a Grand Prix. But if they could get a 195litre tank to provide enough juice for a 1980’s era turbo car over as much as 300 miles then I don’t think today’s designers will have many problems working it out. Obviously they will all start heavier and get lighter as the race goes on but if you limit the electronics to some basic fuel feed controls, a fuel gauge and make sure that the driver is the only one who can control them then the driver really has to think about his fuel consumption. Alain Prost was the BEST at this black art back in the turbo era. Hell even if you let the teams just monitor the situation and even if they tell the driver what to do it is still something more for the driver to concentrate on! And no just flooring it for a couple of hours. Timing your run would be paramount to a good result!

And let’s just say that the engine manufactures didn’t mind the costs these days then I would like to see the engines go to something like this:

Size: 3300cc
Type: V12

A maximum of FOUR valves per cylinder and a free rein on “exotic” engine materials, oh and they have to offer customer jobs at a maximum of $12 million for a season! Cost reductions and increases all in one go!!

To be honest, i really don't care what the rules are. I just care if F1 is going to turn into NASCAR. Just don't get too primitive, and I'll be fine imo