Most insane Group 4/B rally car/homologation special . For me its gotta be the Renault Maxi 5 turbo or the Lancia 037

Lancia 037 for me, the best RW drive car, even beat the Audi Quattro S1 reguarly.

http://www.qv500.com/Lancia%20037%20P3%202.jpg

I love the engine sound as well, and its very quick, I saw one at the test hill at brooklands, it set the fastest time against a Ferrari F40!

geez, i never knew they were that fast

my fav is the lancia 037 to very fast and very unsafe

I like the Mitsu Starion, it's just so muscular. AWD and 350 horses.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.stacey1/images/4wd22.jpg

Cool, I never realised that they rallied that!

How succesful was it?

Lancia 037 for me, the best RW drive car, even beat the Audi Quattro S1 reguarly.

http://www.qv500.com/Lancia%20037%20P3%202.jpg

I love the engine sound as well, and its very quick, I saw one at the test hill at brooklands, it set the fastest time against a Ferrari F40!
Is this the one with both a supercharger and a turbocharger?
My all time favourite remains the Audi Quattro S1 though. What a beast. :shock:

Gotta love the Renault R5 Turbo/Maxi 5 Turbo
Turn a front engine front wheel drive comuter into a mid engined, turbo charged rally car
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dauphine1093/Alfa/RondeCimes2003/Cimes2003_R5T2Maxi5_002.JPG

Gotta love the Renault R5 Turbo/Maxi 5 Turbo
Turn a front engine front wheel drive comuter into a mid engined, turbo charged rally car
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dauphine1093/Alfa/RondeCimes2003/Cimes2003_R5T2Maxi5_002.JPG

Thats like the Metro 6R4
From this: (worst car in England)
http://www.rover100.co.uk/MGmetro8.jpg
into this: (an amazing English rally car)
http://www.riminituning.it/img/bott/rally/bolidi/foto_max/metro_7max.jpg
Specs:
2991cc 90 degree 24v V6 engine.
410 bhp @ 9000 rpm in 'International spec', 270ftlb torque @ 6500 rpm.
5 speed gearbox, delivering power to all 4 wheels.
0 - 60 mph: 4.3 seconds.
Number built: 205.

Lancia 037 for me, the best RW drive car, even beat the Audi Quattro S1 reguarly.

http://www.qv500.com/Lancia%20037%20P3%202.jpg

I love the engine sound as well, and its very quick, I saw one at the test hill at brooklands, it set the fastest time against a Ferrari F40!
Is this the one with both a supercharger and a turbocharger?
My all time favourite remains the Audi Quattro S1 though. What a beast. :shock:

the 037 was powered by a 2.1 litre turbocharged 4 cylinder in-line engine that in 1984 produced 325 bhp @ 8000rpm (0.9 bar boost).
There were 207 road spec models made for homologation. Both the rally car & the road version were based on the Lancia Montecarlo
http://www.abarth.itgo.com/pic/lancia037/lancia03701.jpg

I don't think that this one also had a supercharger, just the turbo. - If it did, I cant find any info on it having both!

Gotta love the Renault R5 Turbo/Maxi 5 Turbo
Turn a front engine front wheel drive comuter into a mid engined, turbo charged rally car
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dauphine1093/Alfa/RondeCimes2003/Cimes2003_R5T2Maxi5_002.JPG

Thats like the Metro 6R4
From this: (worst car in England)
http://www.rover100.co.uk/MGmetro8.jpg
into this: (an amazing English rally car)
http://www.riminituning.it/img/bott/rally/bolidi/foto_max/metro_7max.jpg
Specs:
2991cc 90 degree 24v V6 engine.
410 bhp @ 9000 rpm in 'International spec', 270ftlb torque @ 6500 rpm.
5 speed gearbox, delivering power to all 4 wheels.
0 - 60 mph: 4.3 seconds.
Number built: 205.
Thats what i love about group bs

Yeah, and all ruined by stupid spectators in the road with cars so fast they couldn't move out the way!
What is interesting is that Group B rally cars (the original 037's & Quattro's) were not allowed to rally after the ban until 2000, according to the MSA.

I think that with all the new safety regulations the Group B class could return!
At the German WRC in between re-run stages, the Group B cars rallied around and they were fast, but people were conscious of them and didn't do stupid things!

blame the rs200 killin the fins

blame the rs200 killin the fins

And the 037 in Corsica that took out a group of people and went over the edge of the cliff in a fireball. :shock: That might have had something to do with it as well...

wow, havn't heard about that one, but still the rs200 killed something like 20

blame the rs200 killin the fins

And the 037 in Corsica that took out a group of people and went over the edge of the cliff in a fireball. :shock: That might have had something to do with it as well...

I think that was Lancia Delta S4 at Corsica not the 037 but i'm not sure of that. My favorite group B car is Peugeot 205 T16 450hp, 490Nm and 910kg, a beast!!!

Yes, that was it, I knew it was a Lancia though!

I also really like the 205 T16. It had 16 WRC wins mainly with Ari Vatanen & Kankkunen from 1984-6. The E2 come out one year after the first model in Corsica in 1985.
http://gamma.nic.fi/~globe/rally/paradise/pics/b_205t16e2.jpg
Some more useless info!!!

wow, it should be digging itself a hole with that spoiler

Lancia Delta S4
That one was both supercharged and turbocharged. :D

compound?

I just read this about the S4:

Boost could be as high as over 600bhp and Henri Toivenen lapped the portugese F1Gp track that year in a time quick enough to secure 6th on the Gp F1 grid! It and Toivenen were dominating rallying that year untill He and his co-driver were killed at the Corcica event after rolling off a cliff.

and also 0-60 in 2.9 seconds—on gravel (i think thats a bit BS, but I may be true)

It was definately supercharged and turbocharged with 480hp, with a boost range of up to 600hp!

http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/deltas4_3_200.jpg
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/popups/s4cockpit.html
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/popups/s4eng2.html
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/popups/s4eng3.html

Strange links, but good pictures!

I almost forgot the homologation car-
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/deltas4_road.jpg
as with all grp B's, only about 200 were made!

my favorite was the RS200 evolution. Still the fastest acclerating production car ever ( i think).

compound?
:?:

my favorite was the RS200 evolution. Still the fastest acclerating production car ever ( i think).

really, thats one of my most hated cars! This car messed up rally and it was over priced at ugly!

my favorite was the RS200 evolution. Still the fastest acclerating production car ever ( i think).

really, thats one of my most hated cars! This car messed up rally and it was over priced at ugly!

And the 4WD drive split is 50-50, so its difficult to drive quick around a corner on Tarmac.

compound?
:?:
i wanna know if the turbo supercharger was infact a compound charger

So what is a compound charger? :?

10 points to jimkk29

So what is a compound charger? :?
I found this info on a modded MR2 under the title of compound supercharging:
An intercooled turbo system is plumbed into a supercharger; the supercharger is used as an intake manifold if you will. the exaust energy created from the boost from the supercharger and the intake energy from the supercharger helps a turbo spool more quickly. no switches or anything to switch between the superchargerc or turbo. It is as if you are using a supercharger with great all-around powerband and efficiency.

I imagine that the S4 did have this system installed, since you asked 12 inch pianist!

yeah, that sounds right, its basically a supercharger running a turbocharger, sounds simple but is hard to do

10 points to jimkk29
:?: :?: :?:

sorry, misread the question :oops:

Another interesting Group 4 car that won the 1982 Corsica WRC was the 1982 Ferrari Michelotto 308 Group 4 Rally (based on the 308GTB). I think it was the only rally that it won, but was succesful until the group 4 was banned.
I've never heard of this car, only the Ferrari 288GTOevo which never made it because of the GrpB ban.
big pic: http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW/garagePics/marcusmv3/133car2.jpg
It is also proving to ba a very difficult car to find info and pics on. Any info or history would be great!
other than
V8 Mid engine RWD, 920 kg, 363 bhp
Oh and only 4 were made and valued about £200,000
http://www.qv500.com/Ferrari%20308%20P5%202.jpghttp://www.qv500.com/Ferrari%20308%20P5%203.jpghttp://www.qv500.com/Ferrari%20308%20P5%201.jpg

Whoa, that one sweet rally car. I didn't know ferrari actually raced a rally car.

i don't think they were official factory cars but i could be wrong

yeah, that sounds right, its basically a supercharger running a turbocharger, sounds simple but is hard to do

sounds simple? looks hard:

http://www.koenig-specials.com/bilder/bilder600px/600px/murcielago/motor_1000ps.jpg
This is a twin turboed supercharger on the Koenig Murcielago

Yeah these things apparently require alot of plumbing.

i didn't know koenig made a Murcielago

i didn't know koenig made a Murcielago

http://www.koenig-specials.com/lamborghini/lamborghini-murcielago.html

homepage:
http://www.koenig-specials.com/

thanks

how much hp does that thing make?

how much hp does that thing make?

I remember reading that it made 1000hp. But something tells me that its only 800 :shock:

my fave was the audi i can't remember it's name

my fave was the audi i can't remember it's name

Audi Quattro S1?

have you got a picture

This is the S1:
http://www.rallygallery.com/groupb/catalunya01_quatrro_s2_1.jpg

and this is the pikes peak version:
http://homepages.compuserve.de/nullnullsnyder/roehrl/audi10.jpg

aerodynamics of a grand piano with the lid open

I've seen both the Quattro S1 and the Pikes Peak at a car show. That are also my favourites. Really cool all those wings from the Pikes Peak

yep that's the ones i love

One of my favorites would have to be the stratos
http://www.rallygallery.com/show/coys2000/historic2000_bjorn_waldegard2.jpg

that's one of my faves to

Yeah, they are really good! Didn't they have a ferrari engine??

246 dino engine

cool

going back a few posts to the S4 post with the turbo & super chargers, well here is the actual image from the S4:
http://autozine.kyul.net/strange_car/strange_pic_lancia_s4_charge.jpg

And here is one of the lesser known group B racers, the 1985 Citroen BX 4TC 200 / EVO
the pics are of the EVO model
http://home.planet.nl/~koper193/bx_4tcevo.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~koper193/bx_4tcevo_rear.jpg

A couple of specs:

Engine: 2141 cc / 130.7 cu in N9TE motor
200 series used Garrett/K-Jet and produced 200HP@5250
EVO series used KKK/K-jet @18+psi, dry-sump and produced 380HP-DIN@7000
Neither used more the 2V/cylinder
Torque: 460 nm / 339.3 ft lbs @ 5500 rpm
Weight: 1280 kg / 2822 lbs
Top Speed: 280 kph / 174.0 mph

--- strange looking specs I know, but its all I can get at the moment.

also:
http://home.planet.nl/~koper193/conservatoire.jpg
One of the very few pictures from the Citroën collection in some very secret hall closed for public. Citroën seems to have kept atleast 1 BX 16valve touring, 1 BX 4TC EVO and 1 'ordinary' BX 4TC

well i've never heard of that car

the road car looks a hell of alot better than the rally version

going back a few posts to the S4 post with the turbo & super chargers, well here is the actual image from the S4:
http://autozine.kyul.net/strange_car/strange_pic_lancia_s4_charge.jpg
pic didnt work

well it's working for me

going back a few posts to the S4 post with the turbo & super chargers, well here is the actual image from the S4:
http://autozine.kyul.net/strange_car/strange_pic_lancia_s4_charge.jpg
pic didnt work

It seems to work on & off. I'm on a school computer, it worked yesterday morning, didn't work in the afterenoon, but it worked when I got home again on my home PC.

yeah now it's not working for me

but it is working for me!, here is the direct link: http://autozine.kyul.net/strange_car/strange_pic_lancia_s4_charge.jpg

i think we are going a bit off topic

i think we are going a bit off topic

Not really, we are merley making sure that an engine subject related to the topic can be viewed by all those who wish to view it. Hopefully that has been sorted now & we can continue on the topic of Group B/4 cars

still doesnt work but im not shaken up about it, it was one mean car, does anyone have the pecs for the holomgation special

it wasn't even a mean car just a pic of an engine