Hey guys...

In this motorcycle magazine, I saw an ad for carbon fiber wheels. Is this true?

And if it is true, do you guys think that they will start making car rims out of c/b? Give me your opinions.

motorcycles are not too heavy like the cars,carbon fiber is strong and light weight but I dont think that this wheel will be able to carry the car cuz its too heavy.
but fo motorctcles its possible absoulotly.

True :roll: :roll:

nah Ive seen carbon fibre rims for a car
- remember car rims are alot wider and there are 4 rims so c/b is easily strong enough.

nah Ive seen carbon fibre rims for a car
- remember car rims are alot wider and there are 4 rims so c/b is easily strong enough.

but mate,Your not going to Park your car when you set those rims
lets say:
you changed your stock rims with the carbon fiber rims and its absoloutly fine but when you start driving the car you will realise that the rims cant take the weight and the presure of any turn you'll make with your care.

on one of your turns one of the rims wil explode from this high presure its not safe.

Damn :shock: I thought c/b would be strong enough...

They're strong on motorcycles but not so strong on cars...

Carbon rims for cars are already produced.
check this link http://www.azev.de/aktuelles/more_eng.php?artikel=carbon_eng&info=Car bon%20Wheel
maybe you reading wheels topic but I will repeat: Carbon wheels are good and very light. but problem is that you can't repare them.
once broken carbon fibre is unrepareable and all you can do is to by a new one.
It is interesting but I find that onlu Azev produces carbon fibre rims for cars
Have you any informations about other manufactures?

Interesting. :D
I like carbon fibre!

on one of your turns one of the rims wil explode from this high presure its not safe.

thats nonsense!
First of all carbon fibre will take the strain
And even if you came close to the rims limit, they would only start to bend - since its fibre.

Carbon rims for cars are already produced.
check this link http://www.azev.de/aktuelles/more_eng.php?artikel=carbon_eng&info=Car bon%20Wheel
maybe you reading wheels topic but I will repeat: Carbon wheels are good and very light. but problem is that you can't repare them.
once broken carbon fibre is unrepareable and all you can do is to by a new one.
It is interesting but I find that onlu Azev produces carbon fibre rims for cars
Have you any informations about other manufactures?

right mate,this are a fiber carbon rims but they have steal too cuz fiber carbon only cant carry the car,its impossible,these rims are fiber carbon and steal too.

c/b reinforced steel :?: :?: :?:

never carbon fiber isnt strong enough. but they do make parts of rims outta the ****. but i have seen intake and exaust manifolds made outta carbon fiber. so its heat resistant or is it??? personally i wouldent trust a carbon fiber exaust manifold but i will trust a carbon fiber steering wheel :lol: :twisted:

But it reinforces stuff (i.e. the Carrera GT has c/b reinforced plastic in its chassis).

I don't think it's strong enough to reinforce itself, so it's used to reinforce someting else (like the plastic in the Carrera GT's chassis).

yea but thats like suspention and body parts ive seen a complete carbon fiber body kit for a rx-7. thats nothing really but its is light :twisted:

Damn...

but i have seen intake and exaust manifolds made outta carbon fiber. so its heat resistant or is it??? :

well i think when its made its set in a resin and then baked a really high temp.s
So I say it would be very very heat resistent. And its carbon so it wouldnt conduct heat like stell does - id certainly trust it!

Carbon fibre material was invented a long time ago, but using it in car wheels industry is a new idea. I was looking for another one factory who made carbon wheels for cars but I did't find it. This is probably because carbon fibre material is still in testing phase and experiments are expensive. many factories using a larger procent of Magnesium if they want lighter wheel so carbon fibre isn't irreplaceable.

Magnesium is light, but very weak.

DAMN :evil:.....

I guess they're only for race use (and I always wanted some street c/b wheels :evil: :evil: )

Magnesium is light, but very weak.

thats why the alloy it with other matericals liek steel or aluminium to strengthen them

Magnesium alloy :?: :?: :?: ...

Never heard of it.....

So there is hope for street-use c/b rims....

Yeah :D :D :D :!: :!: :!:

I'd think there's an alloy of every kind. If one doesn't extist, then it soon will if it has a very useful application. Technology is improving faster and faster. Many times the facts and truth are more wild and unbelieveable than fiction. I have very little doubt that pure carbon fiber wheels will be out well within out lifetimes.

Pure c/b rims.....

I can't wait until that day.....

Rims so light that they'll cut the car's weight in half and do laundry :D

Magnesium alloy ...

Never heard of it.....

its what BBS, OZ use on F1 cars.

It's not pure Magnesium though, because it would burn in a fraction of a second given the high temperatures.

...yes it magnesium alloy

Yes I understood it, I was just making a sidenote, a postscript.
(I might want to show off my knowledge in chemistry LOL! :P :P :P :P )

So mag is kinda soft, or is the temp on the track hot enough to burn everything :?:

they using some procent of magnesium added in alloy legure.
it is about 5 % for street wheels but for racing that number is much bigger. They dont want to say how much is it because it is some kind of secret. Adding magnesium much reduce weigth (wheel is about 50% lighter then normal street wheel).
But... problem is that magnesium is not strong enough to make wheel from only magnesium, also mag. is very Inflammable and compilant on corrosion.

So adding 5% of mag in your wheel can cut its weight in half, or is it the race wheel percentage that cuts the street wheel weight in half :?: :?: :?:

I forget to say...
using mag. in wheels is good for polishing wheels. it gives great shine to wheel (when you have proper tool ). Not like chrome, but it is much stability then chrome.

I said that race wheels has reduced weight not street standard wheel.
they using much more procent of mag. then 5 %. in race wheels and that is only way to reduce weight, (ABOUT 50 % BUT I DIDN'T SCALE THEM)

lol i can hear the carbon fiber cracking already. that even seems risky for bikes, unless u kept real good care of your ride. maybe w/some sort of additive, i dont know too much about those materials.....

Carbon fiber rims for a car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
Who wants to shell out some money

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7921698 347&category=66483

Light weight, most likly look really nice (Unless thats the only C/F on your car), and I wouldn't mind some.

A year after I post this topic and my dreams come true :D :D :D

If I had a car, I'd buy a set...heck I'd buy 2 :D

Yeah I guess your right I'd buy as many as I can. Just because I could!!

I reckon they would be pointless. Lese weight, sure, but the strength of it could be questioned. BTW, that design of the CF wheel is horrible.

Yeah it is I would have to say but if and only if they made it another style then I'd pick up me some, sorry for not saying that in my other post's.

They crack, unless they're honeycombed

Humm nice point, and congrad's on the 1000 post! :) :)

it's a very good idea because the set up of the car will be better also you can go in turns with more kmh!!!!! :twisted:
in addition you will be faster 0-100 60-120...... !!!!!!!!!

Well the carbon rims at http://www.azev.de/aktuelles/more_e...ar are pretty ugly, But if you check out http://www.carbonmadness.com/home.html they got some awesome C/F rims. I think they are great looking because the spokes are C/F and the lip of the rim is lightweight amazingly strong alloy.

CF rims are pretty unattractive for 2 reasons...
1...CF just looks gadudy in some configurations....Like most CF rims out there..
2..They sun bleach very quickly..So in 3 months..they arn't black..they're green

I'd like to see some stress tests done...Like under extreme cornering, or extreme acceleration...but oh well...Not a bad idea

The Cadillac STS concept car has carbon fiber wheels with magnesium spokes

Just a point: When carbon fiber holds a high stress it doesn't deform out, it breaks out.

Zenki, your Azev link does not work for me. An earlier link in this thread showed a wheel w/alloy center and CF rim, claimed to save up to 2.5kg/5.5 lbs. Of course they give no weights for any of their wheels.

The carbonmadness wheels are not CF; read the specs. 8+kg/18lbs for an 18 inch wheel is not lightweight.

The only place you see exposed CF is on race cars in testing (and hurried race debut) and on ricer/poser/pimp machines. While the fiber itself could hold a nuclear reactor together, the resin will degrade from UV radiation. You never see a CF experimental aircraft sans paint. Would you really want to hang a corner on CF wheels a year or two down the road?

I would rather get a set of Rotas or Mugens. CF wheels usually have steel centers, which adds weight. Complete CF wheels break easily.


P.S. - I voted for "What the hell is carbon fiber?!"

Hehe.. :rolleyes:

They already started making them, I'm not sure who makes them but I believe they are about $7K each.

On a heavy car like mine with the bad colorado roads there is no way I would ever use them.

1 word:
Magnesium

It's got no real downside that you'd need to worry about, sure it's flammable, but so is gasoline, and people, and well, everything on a car.

1 word:
Magnesium

It's got no real downside that you'd need to worry about, sure it's flammable, but so is gasoline, and people, and well, everything on a car.


But if you get a flat tire and the mag touches the asphalt you have a totaled car. Where as if it's an alum wheel you are just out a tire.

Het Volk gramlights and call it a day.

Why do you think that?

Magnesium wheels are used in WRC because they are light and more durable when they want to finish a stage on flat tire. Magnesium wheels can brake easier when they hit something like stone sideways (from drift out of a curve), but they ale better (harder, more durable) in rolling on the rim.

How ludacris to even have this conversation!

i typed carbon fiber rims in google and got a bunch of hits, so apparently they do make em....the ones i seen would just look black rollin down the highway.....but these rims are lightweight and we all know that weight reduction reduces our speed, and ain't that the point anyway? ;)

i love carbon fiber tho, and am currently looking for a way to get it on my steering wheel without messing with the air bag....i got an 05 scion xb, any ideas? email me.

Why do you think that?

Magnesium wheels are used in WRC because they are light and more durable when they want to finish a stage on flat tire. Magnesium wheels can brake easier when they hit something like stone sideways (from drift out of a curve), but they ale better (harder, more durable) in rolling on the rim.

If you get a flat tire on the road with a magnesium wheel and no run flat tire it will start on fire, If you are luckey and get off the road in time you "might" be able to put out the fire, if you don't the whole car will burn.


Forged wheels are still the choice of 99% of race cars and most serious sports car enthiusiast's. Take CCW for example. Mine house 315/18 tires on them and weigh in at 44 pounds with the tire.

i typed carbon fiber rims in google and got a bunch of hits, so apparently they do make em....the ones i seen would just look black rollin down the highway.....but these rims are lightweight and we all know that weight reduction reduces our speed, and ain't that the point anyway? ;)

i love carbon fiber tho, and am currently looking for a way to get it on my steering wheel without messing with the air bag....i got an 05 scion xb, any ideas? email me.

Carbon fiber is lame unless it's useful and reduces weight. You drive a scion.....keep it stock or modify it tastefully.......That;s just my opinion.

what makes carbon fibre so specail? why not just make rims out of carbon in general, intead of carbon FIBRES just solid carbon? and if you over heated your brakes enough you may end up with diamond rims, lol, j/k. not possible to heat your brakes up to that extent, and then you also need pressure, extreme pressure, and a lack of oxygen in the area of the carbon. too bad eh? what happened to titanium? are they any titanium rims out there? and about magnesium, i dont know much but i know that if you take a steel knife and rub it on a block of magnesium it will make sparks. think about that, and then think about running with no tires. itd be like 4 of july times 5.

i typed carbon fiber rims in google and got a bunch of hits, so apparently they do make em....the ones i seen would just look black rollin down the highway.....but these rims are lightweight and we all know that weight reduction reduces our speed, and ain't that the point anyway? ;)

i love carbon fiber tho, and am currently looking for a way to get it on my steering wheel without messing with the air bag....i got an 05 scion xb, any ideas? email me.
Idea #1, sell your car and buy ANYTHING else.

Idea #1, sell your car and buy ANYTHING else.Hahahaha ! CKG, I sure hope you'll never get mad at me.....;)

what makes carbon fibre so specail? .




They are strickly for show...only people that get cf rims are people that rice their cars.

They are strickly for show...only people that get cf rims are people that rice their cars.
Wrongo! CF wheels are twice as strong as standard alloys, and up to over 1/2 the weight. The difference would be hellaciously noticeable during acceleration and braking.

Yeah, but they crack and warp. I would just as soon take some Rotas or Mugens. Hell, even OZs rule.

Wrongo! CF wheels are twice as strong as standard alloys, and up to over 1/2 the weight. The difference would be hellaciously noticeable during acceleration and braking.


Um.... no they wouldn't... unless you drive a race car like a super sweet maserati.

so c/f fits into the class of dubs does it? done with the carbon fibre crap, lol. if its used for performance, fine, i haerd the intake mainifolds are great, and then they have hoods too, which are apparently really light, good, but you get carbon fibre for show and some one will smack you. maybe me.

and I agree with ckg on the selling of the scion thing. they just plain suck. I heard that the are spupposed to represent generation y and fit in with our concerns and I was like o **** no. I refuse to have a gay ass square car witha 4 banger engine represent my generation. some one tells me that a scion represents what I stand for and im going to knock them out. concern for the enviroment is nice, saving money is great, but scions just plain suck ass.

CF hoods in a lot of cases or heavier than stock ones. As for the scion, I test drove a few TC's and they were nice, but when all was said and done I would have been paying $25K for it. I couldn't see that much money for a car like that...and $25K for a new car isent that much. I bought a NA 300zx for $7300 and love it to death.

actually my box is brand new and i happen to love it so thanks for your opinion ckg but i didn't ask for it. at least i can get in and out of it without breakin a hip....my car is affordable, adorable, and super modifiable.....i'm a hot girl in a hot car and that's all i care about.

Wrongo! CF wheels are twice as strong as standard alloys, and up to over 1/2 the weight. The difference would be hellaciously noticeable during acceleration and braking.Personally I'd put my bet that it would be more noticeable during corners, considering you just cut a huge part out of your unsprung weight.

Half the Google hits ("so they must make them") on CF wheels are appliques. Use of such instantly qualifies you as an idiot ricer.

By all means put CF on your steering wheel hub. Just be sure to use 2 pieces split at the airbag seam, lest you wind up as the former techie hot chick in a hot box pencil seller in your neighborhood.
I think an xB would look best painted in classic blue & yellow A,T, & SF colors. The cd on an xB couldn't be 10% better than that of a Santa Fe locomotive.

Wire thanks, at least they have steel rims and face it kids, who the f*ck has bent a steel rim easier than a mag or ally

if you want some cf rims go to autovelocityinc.com

;) the rim is still an alloy but it is a composite of both carbon fibre and aluminum. they did not go and make the rim lighter by making it carbon fibre and then slap steel in the middle of it taking away the whole point of making it lighter than a complete aluminum rim. and yes the rim will hold a cars weight even around the corners.:cool:

the rims will hold they are a commposite of aluminum and c/f

Someone did it yet but I don't remember the maker!!
This look good!!
But too much expensive

Who voted what the hell is carbon fiber?

i dont really no wat to think now?! but i reckon if the carbon fibre rims would hoild the cars weight i would say they would be gd:)

Who voted what the hell is carbon fiber?ATTAUS, acting like a clown to get someone's attention and showing he couldn't care less.... It worked !:D

The c/f rims have the highest department of transportation rating ever awarded, so they are incredibly strong and only weigh 8.5 lbs

Hey guys.

You seem to have some serious misconceptions about how cf works.

cf is a material just like aluminum or steel or plastic. And just like, say, aluminum, you can make a hellaciously heavy and blinging polished wheel or you can make a super light racing wheel.

So the question is why don't they have more carbon fiber wheels?

One problem actually has to do with corrosion. It would be unlikely that the spun portion of the rim that the tire mounts to would be made of carbon fiber because of the difficulty in machining it. This means that the carbon fiber would have to be attached to a metal rim. Believe it or not, depending on the metal, carbon fiber can cause a significant amount of corrosion. Stainless Steel is the most notable. There are also difficulties in mounting it to the spun portion of the rim and to the hub, as it has to be drilled, bolted, and possibly fitted with machined guides.

As several people noted, the epoxy may not be able to hold up to the test of time.

And lastly, it may just be heavier to use. Although the carbon fibers them selves are considerably stronger than aluminum, when mixed with the resin, it is the average strength of the two materials together by volume that makes up the final tensile strength.

We used carbon fiber wheels on the formula car we build. Although the design left something to be desired, we were limited in the shapes that we could build well. The wheels functionality was sub par, and they were just as heavy as the aluminum wheels we could get.

Epoxy.. resin... we buildin' a boat?

hahaha.

No, but if you want carbon fiber, you'll be working with epoxy/resin. You put it over the fibers so that they keep their shape.

I have seen Chrome rims collapse when they hit a little bump or bad road. Imagine the Carbon Fiber Rims. They will leave behind splinters. I don't think it will happen unless it is a concept car with no engine and what not.

thats nonsense!
First of all carbon fibre will take the strain
And even if you came close to the rims limit, they would only start to bend - since its fibre.

I dont think thats true, carbon fibre is a very brittle material. I work with it a lot while Im at school. It is a very strong material but once it hits its ultimate tensile strength it will break with no necking during tensile tests. Unless the lateral load is causes it to strain in an extremely different way than the vertical load, the carbon fibre will not bend. :cool:

Carbon fiber 1, bleaches in the sun very fast so there goes the look.
2 Most CF rims use CF as a weight reducer (Alum core spokes wrapped in CF. AS for ALL CF Rims, i wouldn't trust them unless they are EXTREMELY thick, I mean if a subaru WRX can snap an alloy rim, i'm sure something else could do the same with a CF

carbon fiber is for body parts, disk brakes, chassis parts, aerodimanic parts...
but the better material for rims is forged aluminum.

what idiot said he doesnt know wat carbon fiber is??

Yeah, what retard said that?

carbon fiber is for body parts, disk brakes, chassis parts, aerodimanic parts...
but the better material for rims is forged aluminum.

Ummmmm......magneisium(sp) is the best material for wheels (please don't say rims" they are wheels.

Actually, Rims would be best forged aluminum Magnesium would look awful curb checked... As For WHEELS yeah magnesium is the best mat.

Actually, Rims would be best forged aluminum Magnesium would look awful curb checked... As For WHEELS yeah magnesium is the best mat.

NBot sure about other people but my wheels have never seen a curb. If your car does you need to buy a saturn or a justy.

Give it time, your rims will see a curb..

Give it time, your rims will see a curb..

Been driving for 7 years. Doing well so far. But I am prepared. I have 2 sets of stock wheels and my CCW wheels which can be completely rebuilt in minutes.


Perfect wheels on a 14 year old car is rare.

The only place you see exposed CF is on race cars in testing (and hurried race debut) and on ricer/poser/pimp machines. While the fiber itself could hold a nuclear reactor together, the resin will degrade from UV radiation. You never see a CF experimental aircraft sans paint. Would you really want to hang a corner on CF wheels a year or two down the road?

Driftster sez, "so there goes the look."

how much do your stock wheels weigh though. if u do get carbon fiber they reduce the weight consederably, its could mean the difference in any race.

ive seen a c/f wheel withstand a wreck that totals the car

the c/f they use on these wheels isnt the same c/f that is used on the other parts. its made differently and it doesnt splinter into pieces like regular c/f

u can pretty much make any type of spoke u want as well u custom order them

and ive seen a wheel made out of magnesium, it isnt as strong or nearly as light

im telling u, check out autovelocityinc.com

My stock wheels are 16 pounds. I have yet to find any wheel under $1500 that is as light.

twinturbo, they're called Euro clear rims.
Just throw a tire on the hub, it's cool and lightweight..And allows for air to channel over the brake for optimal braking power...

yeah the fact that they cost 1500 a piece is the only downside

but when you spend all that money for other weight reductions it turs out that its better to spend it on these since it is rotating mass

Driftster, "optimal cooling airflow" over brakes has been claimed for more than 30 years on wheels on Alfas, Loti, and even C4 Vettes. Showroom Stock C4 Vette racers found out they could reduce brake temps 50 degrees C by reversing the stock wheels from what the "stylists" chose.

there are a lot of misconceptions in this thread. first off, solid magnesium will not burn; its magnesium filings that are extremely flammable. magnesium is stronger and lighter than aluminum. carbon fiber is much stronger and lighter than most people would believe, but the fibers are orriented differently for different applications. for example, the carbon fiber sold merely for cosmetics is weaved for aesthetics and not strength, it is also very few layers. carbon fiber is already used to make car wheels or parts of the wheel. it does have a very high heat resistance. carbon fiber reinforced plastic is the same as the common usage of the term "carbon fiber". it is a composite material or carbon fibers (however orriented) and a matrix (plastic, resin, etc.). carbon fiber wasn't invented a long time ago as said before, especially if you're comparing it to metals such as magnesium. the equipment used to make things out of carbon fiber is very costly and combined with the fact that once an object is made, it can't be modified without seriously compromising strength, lead manufacturers to stick with metals which can be reshaped or recast. resins have advanced a lot, there are ones that block UV rays and will not discolor or deteriorate. you can't make a wheel out of solid carbon because it would be ridiculously expensive to process well and very brittle (the graphite lead in a mechanical pencil for example). carbon fiber on the other hand combines the carbon fibers with resin to combine the strength of carbon with the adherence/flexibility of the resin (it also protects the fibers, blah blah blah). it won't warp. there is no such thing as a composite of carbon fiber and aluminum; they may be used together, but are in no way a composite. one of the key benefits of composites such as carbon fiber is that they will no corrode in any amount of time; whoever says they will must've learned everything about composites from forums and not professors.
all i have to say is wait 5 years and you'll all be talking about carbon nanotube wheels:D

This thread is from back when Tom Kristensen won 24 Houres Le Mans with Bentley. 2003 - What a year. Eleanor went in production in 2003 too!