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Tuzday
Mar 24, 2006, 4:51 PM
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6 Litre Aluminum W12
500 bhp
0-62 - 5 seconds
4177.76 lbs
Torque - 449.9 lbs - ft
Top Speed - 185 mph


(From Spyker Press Release)Geneva, Switzerland, 28 February 2006: His Excellency Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak, CEO Mubadala Development Company and Victor Muller, CEO Spyker Cars, today unveiled the Spyker D12 Peking-to-Paris at the 76th Salon International de l’Auto in Geneva.



The world premičre of this Super Sports Utility Vehicle (SSUV) marks the introduction of a second product line for Spyker who are already known for producing the Spyker C8 Spyder, Laviolette and Double12 and C12 LaTurbie super sports cars. The Spyker D12 Peking-to-Paris is a four-wheel drive, four-door, four-seater luxury Super Sports Utility Vehicle with a spacious interior and a high performance W12 500 bhp engine. Production is due to start in the fourth quarter of 2007. This is the fourth time that the Dutch manufacturer of exclusive high quality hand-built sports cars and now SSUVs is present at the Geneva Motor Show since 2000.


Victor Muller, CEO Spyker Cars, says: “Today, 28 February 2006, the unveiling of the prototype of the D12 Peking-to-Paris makes this probably the most important day in the brief history of our company. Founded on the first day of the new Millenium, Spyker have introduced four different car models in less than six years. This is our fifth new model. In four years we have participated in the 24-hours of Le Mans three times, with our fourth entry this coming June 2006, this time with a two car team entry confirmed. We grew from a two band band to over 100 employees. From a small two partner business to a public company since May 2004, attracting very strong shareholders such as Mubadala Development Company from Abu Dhabi and MerchantBridge from London. We were offered a key role in the major movie production Basic Instinct 2. Last but not least we have been awarded several prestigious international awards such as the recently awarded: ‘Best New Exotic Car 2006’ in the USA and ‘Favourite Sports Car’ in Beijing, China. Last year we produced 48 cars and that number will rise to over 100 this year. Now we are introducing a second product line with this unique vehicle, charting uncharted territory. Therefore I am proud to say: Spyker is moving ahead very very quickly!”

Muller continues: “ None of this could have ever been achieved without the relentless efforts of our employees and the amazing support from our partners, VW Group and Audi, Coventry Prototype Panels, Karmann AG and many others to which we are extremely grateful. Now that the C-line of sports cars is in full production we decided seven months ago to develop a prototype of what we saw as the logical succesor to one of the most innovative cars in history, the very first six-cylinder, four wheel drivecar on the globe, the 1903 60 HP Spyker Grand Prix car. Spyker’s heritage as a four-wheel drive pioneer and the tremendous benefits, it would bring to the motor car, laid the foundation for the car we are about to unveil: the Spyker D12 Peking-to-Paris.”





Spyker D12 Peking-to-Paris: The Heritage

The Spyker D12 Peking-to-Paris traces its origins back, not to one, but three significant Spyker models, each of which contributed significantly to the company’s glorious heritage. This heritage is one of our five core brand values and influences the current models heavily. The second inspiration for the car is Spyker’s unique aviation heritage which created the first Spyker after the Great War in 1919: the Spyker ‘Aerocoque’ with fuselage body and its remarkable fintail. This model was the first Spyker in which the company introduced aircraft technology and design in its road cars. The Aerocoque’s fintail led to the functional roof fin on the SSUV. The final historical reference for the SSUV was its namesake from the Peking to Paris race of 1907, the most gruelling race of all time, in which the Frenchman Goddard entered his almost standard, factory-backed, Spyker 18/22 HP.






On 10 June 1907 five cars set out on what was to become an unprecedented challenge to man and machine. It was the final conquest of he motor car over non motorised mains of transport. Goddard finished second after three months of crossing territory where, for the most part, no car had ever dared to go. The SSUV has been named in honour of this race and the pioneering spirit it embodied: those men charted uncharted territory, something the modern Spyker D12 Peking-to-Paris does in its own very way: it enters an entirely new market segment, that of the SSUV which is currently uncharted.


Muller continues: “We have high expectations for the new SSUV. Its future looks extremely promising and we have already received numerous orders based solely on the design drawings. We expect the car to be very popular in our primary markets such as the Middle East, the United States and China, its sales numbers likely exceeding those of our sports cars. Our SSUV combines high speed performance with excellent off-road capabilities whilst offering its passengers a spacious and luxurious cabin as well the exquisite Spyker signature cockpit interior. It will come standard with state of the art AP Racing carbon ceramic matrix brakes and Koni FSD shock absorbers.”


The Spyker D12 Peking-to-Paris: The Vehicle

Demographics in the Western world show an aging client base for super sports cars. An entire generation of customers, used to driving super sports cars, is facing an interesting challenge: matching their desire to continue to enjoy driving sensations of a super sports car with the harsh reality of their exacting family life and, unfortunately, their age. The alternative is now available: a relatively light weight 1850 kgs SSUV which performs like a super sports car but offers four comfortable seats, easy access through four doors and a spacious luggage compartment. Longing for super sports car excitement, for cars that tantalize all of their senses, for cars that combine exceptional performance with exotic looks. Cars built with passion, cars with soul. Exquisite pieces of car jewelry. Such a car now exists.






The Spyker D12 Peking-to-Paris is an all aluminium, permanent four-wheel drive super sports utility vehicle. The rear doors are rear-hinged coach doors, so-called ‘suicide doors’. It is powered by the 6.0 litre, 12 cylinder, 500 bhp W12 engine from Volkswagen AG and accelerates from 0-100 KM (0-60 MPH) in 5.0 seconds. The six-speed automatic transmission features a multifunctional steering wheel with F1 style shift paddles, a triple dashboard designed in the style of an airplane cockpit, and a sumptuous interior. The vehicle has an all aluminium body fitted to an aluminium space frame, and sits on 24” Aeroblade ™ wheels. It has a length of 4.95 m, a width of 2.0 m excluding mirrors, a minimum height of 1.68 m and a maximum height of 1.77 m and weighs 1895 Kg. The fuel tank capacity is 100 litres (22 gallons). Top speed is 295 km/h (185 mph). The car is custom-hand built using only the best materials available.

New website

Today Spyker Cars is also launching a complete new website. The new design of www.spykercars.com (http://www.spykercars.com/) is based on Spyker’s five core brand values: heritage, design, craftsmanship, performance and exclusivity. It is easily accessible and contains many of Spyker’s beautiful and award winning images and comprehensive information on company,activities and technical information of all car models. A Chinese language version of the site is to be launched in the coming months. Other languages, such as Arabic, are to follow in the near future.
New dealers
New dealers have been appointed for the USA in Detroit, Michigan; Pompano Beach, Florida; Beverly Hills, California and for the Middle East in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia; Kuwait City, Kuwait; Dubai and Abu Dhabi, UAE. For all worldwide dealers see www.spykercars.com (http://www.spykercars.com/)
2006 Raceprogram

Spyker Squadron has expanded its 2006 race program in view of its promising results in 2005. Two factory Spyker C8 Spyder GT2Rs have been entered in 10 races including the 12-hours of Sebring (Florida, USA) to be held on 18 March, the 24-hours of Le Mans (France), all Le Mans Endurance series races and some FIA GT races. The Le Mans organisation Automobile Club de L’Ouest (AC0) has already accepted two Spyker race cars for the 74th “24-hours du Mans” on 17-18 June 2006

Brain_6
Mar 24, 2006, 5:03 PM
Nicest interior ever but shame its inside one UGLY car! It looks like an attempt gone wrong to imitate an old American muscle car- weird.

civckllr
Mar 24, 2006, 5:12 PM
you really need to resize your pics before posting them... just wow overwhelming

back on topic
the outside is really interesting, but i cant tell if i like it or not, then i would love the interior if it was in a grey or black shade, but the yellow is way too much for me

slipondajimmy
Mar 24, 2006, 5:13 PM
Damn that car is ugly

JoeProte83
Mar 24, 2006, 5:18 PM
this is old news an has been done allready

VR6 Man
Mar 24, 2006, 5:20 PM
Nasty. Interior is ok, except for the piece of metal running along the center consol all the way to the back of the car.

Tuzday
Mar 24, 2006, 6:37 PM
you really need to resize your pics before posting them... just wow overwhelming

back on topic
the outside is really interesting, but i cant tell if i like it or not, then i would love the interior if it was in a grey or black shade, but the yellow is way too much for me

You need to get a bigger monitor ;).

Diesel349
Mar 24, 2006, 6:43 PM
Interior need less metal. Exterior needs to be invisible. It should either be a car or SUV....not both.

monkeyfkker
Mar 24, 2006, 6:43 PM
Damn that car is uglyTimes 100000!!!! Very ugly!

Top Secret
Mar 24, 2006, 6:48 PM
Exterior needs to be invisible.

There's no such thing as an invisible car. Duh.

Attaus
Mar 24, 2006, 8:05 PM
I think it's pretty damn cool. I'd take one over a Cayenne. I mean, seriously, I know it is no Lambo or Ferrari with their perfectly rounded and edgy looks, but, what's so wrong with trying something different?

Honestly, its not very far off from being extremely cool.

I'd still buy one like it is. When is the next time you are going to see one? Are you worried that people might see a Spyker badge and not a Porsche one? When was the last time you complimented someone on a Cayenne or ML63 (other than someone you knew)? I see 'em everyday. If I saw someone driving that, I would be amazed.. to see someone driving something so original and so cool would be an odd but welcomed sight..


Aside from the styling, the interior is spectacular and the motor sounds nice too.

Diesel349
Mar 24, 2006, 8:14 PM
There's no such thing as an invisible car. Duh.actually the Aston Martin Vanquish in "Die Another Day" was invisible.

Vesiot
Mar 24, 2006, 8:58 PM
Looks pretty cool I think. Its pretty interesting, and I'd take that over a Cayenne anyday.

Diesel349
Mar 24, 2006, 9:02 PM
I think it's pretty damn cool. I'd take one over a Cayenne. I mean, seriously, I know it is no Lambo or Ferrari with their perfectly rounded and edgy looks, but, what's so wrong with trying something different?

Honestly, its not very far off from being extremely cool.

I'd still buy one like it is. When is the next time you are going to see one? Are you worried that people might see a Spyker badge and not a Porsche one? When was the last time you complimented someone on a Cayenne or ML63 (other than someone you knew)? I see 'em everyday. If I saw someone driving that, I would be amazed.. to see someone driving something so original and so cool would be an odd but welcomed sight..


Aside from the styling, the interior is spectacular and the motor sounds nice too. I would buy it too. It has 500hp but that doesn't make it look any better. Yea it would be a nice sight on the road b/c it's different and a rarity. But that doesn't mean it isn't ugly.

shift_reality
Mar 24, 2006, 11:58 PM
the shape looks kinda weird....and has a weird name too....i dont really like the yellow interior...but it looks good overall

car lover !!
Mar 25, 2006, 12:05 AM
The pictures are too big...my pics can't work...
But nvm...good car...

Maserati Man
Mar 25, 2006, 3:23 AM
man that car is ugly. it's smashed, it has a weird stance, it doesn't flow, it's just simply put - ugly.

the interior is classic Spyker cool, and if the interior has a different exterior, it would be a cool car.

too bad.

viper boy
Mar 25, 2006, 3:26 AM
ive always liked spyker but the guy who did the interior was drunk or something ITS YELLOW

zippo
Mar 25, 2006, 3:31 AM
It's scary to look at! But I do like the wheels.

Top Secret
Mar 25, 2006, 10:38 PM
Nope.

I've tried to think of positives for this car since this thread began, and have come to the conclusion that not one facet of this car is good. Nothing.

It honestly is just...horrid. Nothing about it appeals to me. First off, it's an SUV, which is just stupid. Secondly, it's a Spyker. Sure, they're 'unique' and 'exclusive', but what difference does that make? You'll finally be 'cool', since you've got such a 'unique' and 'exclusive' car? I'm sure you'll look very cool when the horrid quality and reliability of Spyker cars gets the better of you. Not to mention that 'exclusive' and 'unique' doesn't necessarily equate to a better all-round car. It might just be me, but I'm not going to sacrifice a good car like an X5 for looking 'cool'.

Now, the looks. Oh boy, is this not one major brain fart. It's a crashed Spyker C12 - then lifted. The C12 didn't look all too appealing to start off, but with this new design, they've hit rock-bottom. Actually, make that lower than rock-bottom. Congratulations Spyker. You're made the first car that's gone lower than low. I'm sure that's a good tagline for their advertisements. And that interior. What. The. F*ck. What's with those fricken' struts popping up randomly in the middle of the car?! Probably to stiffen the car, since it doesn't have a bloody B-Pillar, yet you see Mazda pulling that off without having a f*cking pole stuck up the middle of the car. And that horrible trim. What is that? And it's only a four-seater?! Why make an SUV when it's only a four-seater! God, the drop-kicks at Spyker are absolute dumbsh*ts.

F*ck I hate this car. And it annoys me more is that they'll sell a few.

If I ever see this....thing on the roads, I'll personally go out of my way to find a way to destroy this car.

Attaus
Mar 26, 2006, 12:06 AM
Nope.

I've tried to think of positives for this car since this thread began, and have come to the conclusion that not one facet of this car is good. Nothing.

It honestly is just...horrid. Nothing about it appeals to me. First off, it's an SUV, which is just stupid. Secondly, it's a Spyker. Sure, they're 'unique' and 'exclusive', but what difference does that make? You'll finally be 'cool', since you've got such a 'unique' and 'exclusive' car? I'm sure you'll look very cool when the horrid quality and reliability of Spyker cars gets the better of you. Not to mention that 'exclusive' and 'unique' doesn't necessarily equate to a better all-round car. It might just be me, but I'm not going to sacrifice a good car like an X5 for looking 'cool'.

Now, the looks. Oh boy, is this not one major brain fart. It's a crashed Spyker C12 - then lifted. The C12 didn't look all too appealing to start off, but with this new design, they've hit rock-bottom. Actually, make that lower than rock-bottom. Congratulations Spyker. You're made the first car that's gone lower than low. I'm sure that's a good tagline for their advertisements. And that interior. What. The. F*ck. What's with those fricken' struts popping up randomly in the middle of the car?! Probably to stiffen the car, since it doesn't have a bloody B-Pillar, yet you see Mazda pulling that off without having a f*cking pole stuck up the middle of the car. And that horrible trim. What is that? And it's only a four-seater?! Why make an SUV when it's only a four-seater! God, the drop-kicks at Spyker are absolute dumbsh*ts.

F*ck I hate this car. And it annoys me more is that they'll sell a few.

If I ever see this....thing on the roads, I'll personally go out of my way to find a way to destroy this car.

Wow.. you're pretty arogant. I know you don't believe a lot of what you just said. You have no reason to hate this car. Why do you hate something you don't even know? It's stupid.

I'm sorry, but being "exclusive" and "cool" does make a difference. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but.. don't we (as car enthusiasts) all like to be different and exclusive? Where is the pride in your car when 9 other people on your block own one? You're right. We should all own the same thing, as long as it looks 'good'.

God.. dude.. seriously.. I hate your post. OMG I HATE IT SO MUCH I WANT TO SHOOT IT. F*** *** ***

VR6 Man
Mar 26, 2006, 1:13 AM
Wow.. you're pretty arogant. I know you don't believe a lot of what you just said. You have no reason to hate this car. Why do you hate something you don't even know? It's stupid.

I'm sorry, but being "exclusive" and "cool" does make a difference. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but.. don't we (as car enthusiasts) all like to be different and exclusive? Where is the pride in your car when 9 other people on your block own one? You're right. We should all own the same thing, as long as it looks 'good'.

God.. dude.. seriously.. I hate your post. OMG I HATE IT SO MUCH I WANT TO SHOOT IT. F*** *** ***

It's still ugly, and in the end, I dont care if no one in the world has it but me. If I dont like how it looks I'm not going to like my car.

Top Secret
Mar 26, 2006, 2:10 AM
I know you don't believe a lot of what you just said.


OMG! You're right! Are you a psychic?

Phht, seriously. I wrote it because that's what I feel about it.

You have no reason to hate this car. Why do you hate something you don't even know?

I have plenty of reason to hate the car. I've listed my reasons why. Why do I hate something I don't know you ask? Because I have opinions. That's why. If I wasn't allowed to hate anything I didn't know, I wouldn't hate a lot of things. But we have opinions. That's why I don't like it.

I'm sorry, but being "exclusive" and "cool" does make a difference. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but.. don't we (as car enthusiasts) all like to be different and exclusive? Where is the pride in your car when 9 other people on your block own one? You're right. We should all own the same thing, as long as it looks 'good'.

I'm not going to sacrifice a good car, just to be 'exclusive' or 'cool' - no matter how many people have it. If nine people on my block has the same car as me, my pride for the car will remain, because firstly, it's mine, and secondly, because I know it's the right choice. I'm not going to hate my car because other people have it. That's just ridiculous.

You're right. We should all own the same thing, as long as it looks 'good'.

Way to make stupid statements.

Attaus
Mar 26, 2006, 2:33 AM
OMG! You're right! Are you a psychic?

Phht, seriously. I wrote it because that's what I feel about it.

If you feel that strong about a car you've never even seen before.. you've got some issues dude.

I have plenty of reason to hate the car. I've listed my reasons why. Why do I hate something I don't know you ask? Because I have opinions. That's why. If I wasn't allowed to hate anything I didn't know, I wouldn't hate a lot of things. But we have opinions. That's why I don't like it.

No, you have reasons to dislike the car, but no reason to hate the car. I can understand if you just don't like the styling, but saying you hate it.. is just dumb.

Are you trying to prove something?

I'm not going to sacrifice a good car, just to be 'exclusive' or 'cool' - no matter how many people have it. If nine people on my block has the same car as me, my pride for the car will remain, because firstly, it's mine, and secondly, because I know it's the right choice. I'm not going to hate my car because other people have it. That's just ridiculous.

I never said you had to sacrifice a good car. Who says the Peking-to-Paris isn't a good car? I just said originality doesn't hurt.

Of course you are going to be more proud of something that gets more looks, more compliments, and is more exclusive than any other car.

So.. you're going to be proud to own a Z06 although 5 of your neighbors own one?

Uh-huh.

Way to make stupid statements.

ok...

Top Secret
Mar 26, 2006, 2:47 AM
If you feel that strong about a car you've never even seen before.. you've got some issues dude.

I've got every reason to hate a car that I've never seen. What's me hating a car any different from any other person saying they love a car they've never seen? It's the same thing.

No, you have reasons to dislike the car, but no reason to hate the car. I can understand if you just don't like the styling, but saying you hate it.. is just dumb.

Oh please, focussing on technicalities is just dumb. Dislike, hate - it's the same bloody thing. I use the word 'hate', because it's a much more expressive word to use to decribe this...thing.

I never said you had to sacrifice a good car. Who says the Peking-to-Paris isn't a good car? I just said originality doesn't hurt.

I say it's not a good car. Because going on past Spyker cars, it won't be good. And I'll be buggered if I'm proven wrong, and I have a strong feeling that I won't.

Originality doesn't hurt, of course, but I'm never going to choose a more original car over a technically superior car.

Of course you are going to be more proud of something that gets more looks, more compliments, and is more exclusive than any other car.

Did I ever say I wasn't? Nevertheless, whichever car I have, I will be proud of it - even if all 6 billion people in the world have the same car as me, because, well, it's mine.

So.. you're going to be proud to own a Z06 although 5 of your neighbors own one?

Why wouldn't I? It's a great car. Equal respect to my neighbours if they have one as well - they've got good taste. I'd be proud of my car regardless.

So you're not proud of your Prelude because a million other people have Prelude's? Please, don't be so insecure.

Attaus
Mar 26, 2006, 2:50 AM
No, I wouldn't. It isn't security.. I'm sorry I don't want to be like everyone else.

No.. im sorry but hating a car based upon pictures is ridiculous. It's stupid. It's like me saying I hate you based upon how you look. Even though I've never met you, never spoken to you, never seen you in person, I hate you.

Stupid, right?

Saying you 'love' a car just by looking at pictures is just as wrong.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall.

You never get anywhere.

I could say anything I want.

Watch banarama on tuesdays

Don't matta.

Whatever.. I need to go do something. I'm trying to remind myself how stupid and pointless arguing over the internet really is.

Top Secret
Mar 26, 2006, 3:02 AM
No, I wouldn't. It isn't security.. I'm sorry I don't want to be like everyone else.

You don't want to be like everyone else? That's impossible - sorry.

How can you not be proud of your own car? I find that, well, stupid. If you aren't proud of your own car, you shouldn't be a car enthusiast. That's what I think.

No.. im sorry but hating a car based upon pictures is ridiculous. It's stupid. It's like me saying I hate you based upon how you look. Even though I've never met you, never spoken to you, never seen you in person, I hate you.

Stupid, right?

Yeah, it's stupid - but let's face it, cars are pretty darn different from humans. They aren't comparable.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall.

Thanks for taking the easy way out. But I guess now you'll be like everyone else who says that.

Attaus
Mar 26, 2006, 3:14 AM
You don't want to be like everyone else? That's impossible - sorry.

How can you not be proud of your own car? I find that, well, stupid. If you aren't proud of your own car, you shouldn't be a car enthusiast. That's what I think.

No, I'm proud of a car I made my own. Not something that someone else made for me and I just drive around. Something that I take care of.. that no one else (or not many) have.

Who is just proud of their possesions? Are you proud of you clock? What about your dish wear? Are you proud of that?

No, it takes a certain kind of.. quality.. to make you proud.

Yeah, it's stupid - but let's face it, cars are pretty darn different from humans. They aren't comparable.

Ok... why?

Thanks for taking the easy way out. But I guess now you'll be like everyone else who says that.

Where do you think arguing will get us, honestly?

Omg, if I win this argument people will resp3ct me on the int3rnet!!!!!

It's pointless. My opinion won't change, and yours won't either.

I'm going to bed.

v@nQu!$h~$
Mar 26, 2006, 3:21 AM
Its alright....never been a fan of Spyker though...

Top Secret
Mar 26, 2006, 3:24 AM
Not something that someone else made for me and I just drive around.

So, tell me again, why would you be proud to be driving a Peking-to-Paris then?

Ok... why?

So you're saying cars and humans are exactly the same?

Where do you think arguing will get us, honestly?

I believe it will get me to heaven.

Phht, of course arguing is going to get us nowhere, that's a fact, but I don't care. Arguing is a by-product of a difference of opinion. Does that mean opinions are pointless then?

Double 12
Mar 26, 2006, 6:05 AM
Weird...I've made earlier a thread about the D12 PtP...then everybody said it was ugly...now some people say it's not ugly...

But my opinion: in this shape it's a too stretched Spyker C8, which hasn't the right proportions, and the front looks like the Maserati Quattroporte (that's not bad, the front looks newer than the previous Spykers).
I'm a big Spyker-fan (you see my name ;)), so I think Spyker will improve the design before 2007, when they start producing it.


Now I'm still adoring the Spyker C8, C12 and Double 12...

Attaus
Mar 26, 2006, 11:31 PM
So, tell me again, why would you be proud to be driving a Peking-to-Paris then?

Personally, I would be more proud to own one than any other SUV in its class. But, it's just not my style.

So you're saying cars and humans are exactly the same?

Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. Good job.

Way to make stupid statements.

I believe it will get me to heaven.

Phht, of course arguing is going to get us nowhere, that's a fact, but I don't care. Arguing is a by-product of a difference of opinion. Does that mean opinions are pointless then?

You make way too many assumptions and pointless statements..

Arguing over the internet is pointless.

Think about it. I really don't give a damn if you hate the Peking-to-Paris. I just found it stupid for you to state such strong opinions based on some pictures. It's ridiculous. I don't see why judging a human and judging a car/house/location by a picture is any different.

It doesn't effect me in any way possible. Therefore, I find it stupid to argue.

If you enjoy it, knock yourself out.

Top Secret
Mar 27, 2006, 2:43 AM
You make way too many assumptions and pointless statements..

Arguing over the internet is pointless.

Think about it. I really don't give a damn if you hate the Peking-to-Paris. I just found it stupid for you to state such strong opinions based on some pictures. It's ridiculous. I don't see why judging a human and judging a car/house/location by a picture is any different.

It doesn't effect me in any way possible. Therefore, I find it stupid to argue.

If you enjoy it, knock yourself out.

If you think arguing is pointless, why start it in the first place?

Attaus
Mar 27, 2006, 11:11 PM
I'm realizing it now.. stopping before I take it too far.

Robbie
Apr 05, 2006, 12:41 AM
I would like to have a piece of old baby car instead of this rubbish car...They should have build a supercar rather than this rubbish....Everything is ugly exept for those leather covered recaro style seats...

tabber
Apr 05, 2006, 1:29 AM
Uh, I had vomit leaking from the corner of my eyeballs.

Robbie
Apr 05, 2006, 1:42 AM
lol.......